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(Talking Points Memo)   Stuart Stevens now says if he could do Romney's campaign all over again, he'd try to reach out to "women and those Mexicans"   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 143
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2012-11-29 02:23:21 PM
But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.
 
2012-11-29 02:35:50 PM
But Romney did try to reach out to women and Mexicans. Both groups love a swarthy man.

www.fataldownflaw.com
 
2012-11-29 02:36:15 PM

mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

'

Lying to themselves and their base is what lost them the election. If they keep doing that, it's fine with me. Keep on, keeping on idiots.
 
2012-11-29 02:36:21 PM
For the 86th time

The problem isn't that you failed to reach out to them in the right way.

The problem is your disgusting backward morally obscene policies that affect these people, leading them to, rightly, despise you.

Instead of covering up the pile of shiat in the middle of the floor why don't you consider JUST NOT shiatTING ON THE FLOOR.
 
2012-11-29 02:36:24 PM

mahuika: because their message and candidate was rejected.


DONE IN ONE
THIS
BEARS REPEATING
 
2012-11-29 02:36:45 PM

mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.


Congratulations You're a Winner!
/This is absolutely what they are doing.
 
2012-11-29 02:37:03 PM
Sit down and shut up, you moron. The guy who loses the race doesn't do an extra lap after it's over.

Disappear for a few months to write your book and hope it becomes a movie.
 
2012-11-29 02:37:09 PM

mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.


The media's biased
Obama was really mean
Obama spent too much money
The wrong people voted
Americans are stupid and lazy
Minorities are lazy and just want free stuff

We didn't try hard very hard

/ just keep flinging your shiat until one of these turds sticks, righties
 
2012-11-29 02:37:36 PM
Why are people still interviewing this guy? Because he's unintentionally hillarious?
 
2012-11-29 02:38:41 PM
Wow, ya think?

To be fair to Stevens, he actually is right. With their platform it is amazing they got as many women and minorities to vote for them as they did. If they got some, they could get more with just a little more focused advertising. No need to change the product. Just market smarter. Makes sense, right?
 
2012-11-29 02:38:42 PM
Full of excuses and shiat they are.
 
2012-11-29 02:38:43 PM
The same goes for women voters, he said. "The governor has a great record on women's issues. We should have done a better job articulating that record."

Instead of running away from it during the primaries and then setting it on fire.

But then, who knows, maybe today nobody talks about Romney because Santorum wins the primary, and we'd all be talking about the things Obama should have done to beat him.

//lulz
 
2012-11-29 02:39:11 PM
Them there darkies in front of Home Depot.
 
2012-11-29 02:39:16 PM
Really? I thought he had literally binders full of women?
 
2012-11-29 02:39:30 PM
If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(
 
2012-11-29 02:39:43 PM
How would he manage to make a platform that is inherently hostile to women and Latinos palatable?
Since it was Romney, my guess is by having him totally misrepresent his real beliefs.
 
2012-11-29 02:41:48 PM
So is he saying support Fair pay act and keep birth control and abortion out of the platform and let women make their own health care decisions based on their own beliefs?

Or is this just stick with Mitt's line of this is about providing economic opportunity for women (even if it is at 30% less money) and limited health care options, but hey we are giving you opportunity.
 
2012-11-29 02:42:30 PM
In all fairness, who would have thought that supporting a guy who said being raped and getting pregnant was a gift from God would have been poorly received by women?
 
2012-11-29 02:42:55 PM
Wow...only 10 posts in and it's time to fire up the popcorn maker.

www.e90post.com

/got nothing that ain't already been said
 
2012-11-29 02:43:24 PM

Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(


It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."


/ but don't call them racists....
 
2012-11-29 02:43:32 PM
FTA....Stevens' latest assessment had a strikingly different emphasis than the one he wrote for the Washington Post a day earlier.

Jebus frikkin' Christ, these guys flip flop more than a got-damn Waffle House.
 
2012-11-29 02:44:45 PM

imontheinternet:

write your book


i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-29 02:45:48 PM
They can't even frame their desire to attract different voters without it sounding like tokenism.
 
2012-11-29 02:46:21 PM
Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.

Hire that guy.

/Wombat something
 
2012-11-29 02:46:58 PM
I think we have a very good message there. We just have to do a better job with it.

Look, guy, the reason people chose to re-elect Obama over your man Romney was not that they just haven't heard your message yet. Outreach isn't going to change anything. It's like thinking that the reason I'm not a Christian is that I just hadn't heard of Jesus.

You believe fewer social services and smaller government creates a situation that actually benefits everyone. That's fine. People of means often think this. People without means, or who have been without means, or who can muster just the bare minimum of empathy for people without means without dismissing them all as addicts or lazy or entitled... these people see the value of government and social services. We've heard what you believe. You can repeat it all you want; I'm still going to disagree with you.
 
2012-11-29 02:47:32 PM
and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!
 
2012-11-29 02:49:02 PM

red5ish: How would he manage to make a platform that is inherently hostile to women and Latinos palatable?
Since it was Romney, my guess is by having him totally misrepresent his real beliefs.


In all fairness, they were able to convince a sizable chunk of the population to vote against their own best interests....
 
2012-11-29 02:50:12 PM

derpy: imontheinternet:

write your book

[i47.tinypic.com image 850x477]


That scene was awesome. I'd forgotten all about it.
 
2012-11-29 02:50:24 PM
Yes, you shiats, your problem is messaging. Not that your ideas are miserable failures in the real world and you like to shiat in the faces of every voter who isn't an upper middle class straight white Christian male on top of it. You just haven't messaged it correctly.

What, pray tell, is good messaging for "Bend over and think of Howard Roark"?
 
2012-11-29 02:51:05 PM

NateGrey: Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.

Hire that guy.

/Wombat something


To be fair, if you cover the log in name, their core message and talking points are exactly the same. The only difference is the varying level of jerkass and douchebag as they spew their script.
 
2012-11-29 02:51:15 PM
PARTY OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

/and woman-haters and white supremacists
 
2012-11-29 02:51:26 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Yes, you shiats, your problem is messaging. Not that your ideas are miserable failures in the real world and you like to shiat in the faces of every voter who isn't an upper middle class straight white Christian male on top of it. You just haven't messaged it correctly.

What, pray tell, is good messaging for "Bend over and think of Howard Roark"?


Hey! It's not their fault that women, minorities and the poor forgot their places!
 
2012-11-29 02:52:02 PM
They should get on that just as soon as somoene figures how to reach out to women and hispanic voters w/o alienating the xenophobes and religious nuts that form the base of republican party. I'm sure they have top men working on it now.
 
2012-11-29 02:52:11 PM
"I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

Yep, they're gonna be farked for a long time if this is a shared belief.
 
2012-11-29 02:54:15 PM

kbronsito: They should get on that just as soon as somoene figures how to reach out to women and hispanic voters w/o alienating the xenophobes and religious nuts that form the base of republican party. I'm sure they have top men working on it now.


www.biography.com
 
2012-11-29 02:55:05 PM

kbronsito: They should get on that just as soon as somoene figures how to reach out to women and hispanic voters w/o alienating the xenophobes and religious nuts that form the base of republican party. I'm sure they have top men working on it now.


Top. Men.
 
2012-11-29 02:56:52 PM
I think after you've gone through the primary it's a little late to be changing party affiliation. Wait, did he mean reach out as a Republican?
 
2012-11-29 02:58:44 PM
When you shoot yourself in the foot, don't retreat, RELOAD!
 
2012-11-29 02:58:49 PM
You mean the lesson that the GOP had, at least in part, begun to take to heart over a farking decade ago?

That lesson? The lesson that even "Dubya" could figure out? The lesson that people could see coming up over a decade before that chucklefark got into office?!

You kowtowed to the evangelical, to the anti-intellectual, to ignorant, and to the borderline racist. And now that's all you have left.

Oh, and by the by... in the process, you actually managed to drag the Democrats to the right, who took up all that space you ceded. We have a new Conservative Party.

The Democrats.
 
2012-11-29 02:59:15 PM

NateGrey: Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.

Hire that guy.

/Wombat something


I haven't seen him around since the election. Funny, that.
 
2012-11-29 02:59:33 PM
Subbysays that if he could write this headline all over again he would "remember that quotation marks are for quotes, not for whatever random shiat I make up. Also, my mom is a slut."
 
2012-11-29 02:59:49 PM
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-29 03:01:33 PM
"I think we have a very good message there. We just have to do a better job with it."

What's the message? Tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%, taking control of a women's health decisions, stopping gays from getting married, forcing religion on people, constant war, and deporting all brown people? That's a good message? Really?

Better luck next time.
 
2012-11-29 03:01:59 PM

mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.


They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"
 
2012-11-29 03:02:03 PM
I think we have a very good message there. We just have to do a better job with it.


In other words, telling people what you actually thought sent them running away, so now you need to lie better?

How precious.
 
2012-11-29 03:04:05 PM

FTA: Still, Stevens repeated many of the same points in the interview that he wrote in the op-ed. The major themes of the campaign were still the right ones to go with, he said on Thursday. "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

i78.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 03:05:32 PM
Shorter: "Needed about a dozen more cans of this stuff:"

scheincommunications.com
 
2012-11-29 03:06:22 PM
They say hindsight is 20/20.

It's kind of true.

However they also say all politics are local. And if that's the case then nothing really has changed. The same Derpers are convinced that the things they did which cost them the national election are being done and unless someone tells them that the next one to say the word "rape" loses all re-election funding and gets pistol-whipped you're going to lose again in 2016.
 
2012-11-29 03:07:53 PM
Funny how the Party of Personal Responsibility keeps screaming at everyone else when they fark up.
 
2012-11-29 03:09:33 PM

theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!


I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?
 
2012-11-29 03:10:19 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


Getting a good zinger in on that uppity ni*BONG*
 
2012-11-29 03:11:12 PM
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 03:12:03 PM

SixPaperJoint: "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

Yep, they're gonna be farked for a long time if this is a shared belief.


Yeah, that one cracked me up... Republican ideas "won the day" in this delusion asshole's mind.

What farking planet do these people live on?

Republican ideas won the day... *shakes head* Give me a farking break.
 
2012-11-29 03:12:45 PM

Gough: red5ish: How would he manage to make a platform that is inherently hostile to women and Latinos palatable?
Since it was Romney, my guess is by having him totally misrepresent his real beliefs.

In all fairness, they were able to convince a sizable chunk of the population to vote against their own best interests....


It cost a lot of money and effort, including a 24-7 "news" channel to pull off, but you're right. Kudos to GOP for fooling some of the people all of the time.
 
2012-11-29 03:12:53 PM
the post mortem on this campaign is going to get even more brutal methinks.
clown shoes, clown shoes everywhere.
 
2012-11-29 03:13:42 PM

Graffito: [i232.photobucket.com image 399x297]


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-29 03:16:46 PM
Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.
 
2012-11-29 03:16:48 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


It's what losers say to make themselves feel better.

Also, sportsmanship award.
 
2012-11-29 03:17:21 PM
Oh, I think they reached women allright. I think they reached right into their uterus.
 
2012-11-29 03:23:15 PM

Markoff_Cheney: the post mortem on this campaign is going to get even more brutal methinks.
clown shoes, clown shoes everywhere.


I hope so.

I don't ever remember discussions about "why we lost" going for this long after an election. I also don't ever remember this much self-analysis by a party being so far off from reality.

It used to hard to tell if some marginal Republican analysis was for real or satire.
It's starting to get hard to tell if some mainstream Republican analysis is for real or satire.
 
2012-11-29 03:24:43 PM

qorkfiend: NateGrey: Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.

Hire that guy.

/Wombat something

I haven't seen him around since the election. Funny, that.


The problem with intellectual cowardice is when the facts make a total idiot of you, then you kind of only have one option, and that's to run away.

Nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-11-29 03:30:06 PM

flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.



Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole party system is a complete sham to begin with...
 
2012-11-29 03:32:12 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


The Jets scoring 19 in last Thursday night's game.

// Romney's winning the whites
// not that he's saying white voters were more moral, or were the only group that voted their morals, or anything...
 
2012-11-29 03:32:38 PM
This seems to me like a Coca-Cola executive arguing that New Coke failed because it wasn't marketed properly, not because everyone who tasted it almost universally agreed that it sucked.

You can do all the "outreach" to a voting demographic you want, but if they don't want to buy what you're selling you are still SOL. What was said by a GOP senator in 2008 is now more relevant than ever: "If the GOP were a brand of dog food, it would already have been removed from the shelves"
 
2012-11-29 03:34:01 PM

keylock71: SixPaperJoint: "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

Yep, they're gonna be farked for a long time if this is a shared belief.

Yeah, that one cracked me up... Republican ideas "won the day" in this delusion asshole's mind.

What farking planet do these people live on?

Republican ideas won the day... *shakes head* Give me a farking break.


At this point all I can think of is:

24.media.tumblr.com 

Maybe they'll come back better.
Or not.
 
2012-11-29 03:35:43 PM

impaler: They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"


That moment of her speech was some bizarre-ass bullshiat.
 
2012-11-29 03:36:15 PM

flux: I think we have a very good message there. We just have to do a better job with it.

Look, guy, the reason people chose to re-elect Obama over your man Romney was not that they just haven't heard your message yet. Outreach isn't going to change anything. It's like thinking that the reason I'm not a Christian is that I just hadn't heard of Jesus.

You believe fewer social services and smaller government creates a situation that actually benefits everyone. That's fine. People of means often think this. People without means, or who have been without means, or who can muster just the bare minimum of empathy for people without means without dismissing them all as addicts or lazy or entitled... these people see the value of government and social services. We've heard what you believe. You can repeat it all you want; I'm still going to disagree with you.


They Spent $1 billion broadcasting thier "message " in every medium of mass communication known to man except perhpas carrier pigeon and smoke signals. We HEARD your message, pal, we just didn't care for it very much.
 
2012-11-29 03:37:28 PM
FTFA:
he said the Republican campaign could take comfort in the fact that it won wealthier and whiter voters and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Well, good luck with that...as the country gets less white and less rich. And I'm all for morals...but you guys are assholes.

rape rape rape sluts abortion rape takers moochers rape

I've got your inelegantly stated right here
 
2012-11-29 03:40:32 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. [...] The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes.


Okay, if this is the case, then why is Stuart Stevens talking about minority outreach, right here, in this article? Why is so much of the Romney post-mortem focused on shifting demographics and outreach to women and racial minorities?

Of course no voting bloc votes for one reason in lock-step, and you're clearly one of those "everyone is very, very stupid and uninformed" people, but, dude, minorities can be racist against each other. It's totally a thing. I don't think Latinos and Asian-Americans voted for Obama in larger proportions just because he is also not white. It's possible I'm giving voters too much credit, but you're definitely giving them too little.
 
2012-11-29 03:41:12 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.


President Al Sharpton, and President Jesse Jackson proves your point.
 
2012-11-29 03:41:41 PM
Ya think? That would have helped, but it wouldn't have mattered.
 
2012-11-29 03:42:29 PM

Epoch_Zero:


Once you go Barack, you never go back.
 
2012-11-29 03:43:43 PM
Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.
 
2012-11-29 03:44:56 PM
The problem wasn't in the marketing. The problem was the product. It's as if you're trying to sell a car and the thing has no wheels, just sits on the ground and when you stick the key into the ignition, the whole thing explodes. Go ahead and try to put lipstick on that pig.
 
2012-11-29 03:46:11 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


It's when the Seahawks have a lead going into the fourth quarter.
 
2012-11-29 03:47:12 PM

for good or for awesome: Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.


subbys use creative license to troll you...come on, man. you know this.

herpanics
 
2012-11-29 03:49:42 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.


How are minority voting trends similar to past elections then?
 
2012-11-29 03:52:13 PM

the money is in the banana stand: flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.


Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole part ...


I enjoyed the bolded juxtaposition.  Was that period supposed to be a colon, or am I getting that confused with where you pulled this from?
 
2012-11-29 03:53:59 PM
FTFA: ""We should have done a better job reaching out to Hispanic voters," Stevens said. "We should have done it earlier. And in a more effective way."

You mean like during the republican primaries when Rmoney took a father right stance on immigration than Perry?

had to prove he was a severe conservative, you guys picked them mexicans to prove it.

deal douchebag.
 
2012-11-29 03:54:19 PM
Dear Republicans,

You lost because your party is comprised of idiots.

Sincerely,
America

P.S. Really, dudes. Maybe you should call your mothers before coming up with your party's next platform.
 
2012-11-29 03:55:56 PM

the money is in the banana stand: I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion.


Well, what do you expect? Romney didn't even know where he stood on most issues.
 
2012-11-29 03:56:05 PM
The same goes for women voters, he said. "The governor has a great record on women's issues. We should have done a better job articulating that record."

ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpeg

/When you sign a party platform that farks over women, you are no longer someone with a great record on women's issues.
 
2012-11-29 03:57:19 PM
Reach deep into the derp bag for more ammo, Derpublicans.
Your party is waning. Romney=Moroni
 
2012-11-29 03:57:42 PM

impaler: the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.

How are minority voting trends similar to past elections then?


What? We all voted for Bush in the last two elections. And Bob Dole, before that.
 
2012-11-29 03:57:56 PM
Lying in most of his ads and voter suppression denies even a "moral victory."
Sorry, douchebag.
 
2012-11-29 03:58:24 PM
Rich white men still can't grasp they lost to a black man. The rich white party is angry that the rest of America voted against it.
 
2012-11-29 03:58:55 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(

It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."

/ but don't call them racists....


Hey, in Romney's defense [not that he really deserves a defense] this statement doesn't really come off as racist to me, it just makes him seem like a conniving dipshiat. He only wanted to exploit a Latino heritage if it would garner him political clout. That's not racist, just stupid.

I actually don't think Romney is a racist, just an elitist. You only matter if you've got money, and if you've met that requisite, it doesn't even matter if you're black or latino or a woman (how magnanimous, eh?). You're rich! So you're automatically okay.
 
2012-11-29 04:00:24 PM

PsiChick: The same goes for women voters, he said. "The governor has a great record on women's issues. We should have done a better job articulating that record."

ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpeg

/When you sign a party platform that farks over women, you are no longer someone with a great record on women's issues.


The governor himself may hold views that are not repugnant to women. The thing about down-ticket races and party ID is that it ain't just about him. People see that HIS PARTY is full of nutjobs and weirdos (and wasteoids, etc), and he gets painted with the same brush.

Perhaps a more forceful rejection and rePudiation of such vile views would be a better balm for the party than "He's pro-women, I pinky-swear. He's got binders full of them!"
 
2012-11-29 04:00:44 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.


What's it like living in the perpetual fog of complete self-unawareness?
 
2012-11-29 04:05:31 PM

NateAsbestos: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(

It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."

/ but don't call them racists....

Hey, in Romney's defense [not that he really deserves a defense] this statement doesn't really come off as racist to me, it just makes him seem like a conniving dipshiat. He only wanted to exploit a Latino heritage if it would garner him political clout. That's not racist, just stupid.

I actually don't think Romney is a racist, just an elitist. You only matter if you've got money, and if you've met that requisite, it doesn't even matter if you're black or latino or a woman (how magnanimous, eh?). You're rich! So you're automatically okay.


It's pretty racist, because it implies that he thinks minorities would blindly vote for him if he was himself a minority. Which is stupid in at least three ways, but also quite racist. It's less "I'm better than you because I'm write" racism and more "you're only voting for Obama because he's black" racism. Which I guess is pretty minor for a Republican, so it flies under the radar.
 
2012-11-29 04:06:50 PM
Hey women and Hispanics:

Stuart Stevens thinks you're stupid enough to fall for this. Remember that.
 
2012-11-29 04:06:53 PM

busy chillin': for good or for awesome: Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.

subbys use creative license to troll you...come on, man. you know this.

herpanics


I appreciate your confidence in me. I just thought that using quotes meant that you had to.. you know,...
I really wish he had said that. It would explain so much.

Romney with self tanner slopped on his face at an Hispanic rally is really the funniest thing ever.
 
2012-11-29 04:09:42 PM
Dude... Mexicans don't vote in US elections. The reason your immigration policy is a big minus with latino voters is that it's based around treating latino citizens as if they are Mexicans, i.e. foreign nationals without the normal rights of citizens.

No one cares if you identify illegal immigrants and give them the boot. They do care if you base your attempts to do so on harassing and persecuting entirely legitimate citizens simply because they look kinda brownish or speak in a dialect.
 
2012-11-29 04:09:50 PM

the money is in the banana stand: flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.


Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole part ...


I'm absolutely positive that Romney voters had no idea what his positions on the issues actually were. No one does except maybe Romney. And frankly, I think he doesn't actually have positions on most of them at all.
 
2012-11-29 04:10:26 PM

for good or for awesome: busy chillin': for good or for awesome: Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.

subbys use creative license to troll you...come on, man. you know this.

herpanics

I appreciate your confidence in me. I just thought that using quotes meant that you had to.. you know,...
I really wish he had said that. It would explain so much.

Romney with self tanner slopped on his face at an Hispanic rally is really the funniest thing ever.


It's even better because of how poorly done it is. Not only does he look oranger than Bohner, they didn't even bother to do his ears or his hands. Or up by his eyebrows. Incompetence and dishonesty, what a package!
 
2012-11-29 04:16:10 PM

impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"


My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."
 
2012-11-29 04:22:14 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.

What's it like living in the perpetual fog of complete self-unawareness?


I favorited him as Fark Independent...

i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 04:25:46 PM
Well, there's always 2016. Mitt should run again next election. I'm certain he'll do much better next time.

*snicker*
 
2012-11-29 04:27:56 PM

CheetahOlivetti: impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"

My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."


Any particular incident that pissed her off so much? Cause that's hilarious.
 
2012-11-29 04:32:44 PM

Neeek: CheetahOlivetti: impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"

My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."

Any particular incident that pissed her off so much? Cause that's hilarious.


It was her "you people" comment.
 
2012-11-29 04:36:44 PM

CheetahOlivetti:

It was her "you people" comment.


Would have bet that was it.
 
2012-11-29 04:40:34 PM
"I can get along great with the Hispanics. In fact, I sure would like to meet them, even the politicians, maybe in the back room or whatever, have a couple of beers and try to explain."
 
2012-11-29 04:41:01 PM

Abner Doon: NateAsbestos: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(

It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."

/ but don't call them racists....

Hey, in Romney's defense [not that he really deserves a defense] this statement doesn't really come off as racist to me, it just makes him seem like a conniving dipshiat. He only wanted to exploit a Latino heritage if it would garner him political clout. That's not racist, just stupid.

I actually don't think Romney is a racist, just an elitist. You only matter if you've got money, and if you've met that requisite, it doesn't even matter if you're black or latino or a woman (how magnanimous, eh?). You're rich! So you're automatically okay.

It's pretty racist, because it implies that he thinks minorities would blindly vote for him if he was himself a minority. Which is stupid in at least three ways, but also quite racist. It's less "I'm better than you because I'm write" racism and more "you're only voting for Obama because he's black" racism. Which I guess is pretty minor for a Republican, so it flies under the radar.


Ah, the subtle racism of lowered expectations. Point ceded.

/Romney is still a giant twat
 
2012-11-29 04:48:57 PM

NateAsbestos: Abner Doon: NateAsbestos: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(

It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."

/ but don't call them racists....

Hey, in Romney's defense [not that he really deserves a defense] this statement doesn't really come off as racist to me, it just makes him seem like a conniving dipshiat. He only wanted to exploit a Latino heritage if it would garner him political clout. That's not racist, just stupid.

I actually don't think Romney is a racist, just an elitist. You only matter if you've got money, and if you've met that requisite, it doesn't even matter if you're black or latino or a woman (how magnanimous, eh?). You're rich! So you're automatically okay.

It's pretty racist, because it implies that he thinks minorities would blindly vote for him if he was himself a minority. Which is stupid in at least three ways, but also quite racist. It's less "I'm better than you because I'm write" racism and more "you're only voting for Obama because he's black" racism. Which I guess is pretty minor for a Republican, so it flies under the radar.

Ah, the subtle racism of lowered expectations. Point ceded.

/Romney is still a giant twat


While it was mildly racist, what was more troubling about the comments were that Mitt is dumb enough to think being Latino would make it easier for him to win the Presidency. What with all the previous Latino presidents.
 
2012-11-29 04:50:41 PM

CheetahOlivetti: impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"

My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."


Just curious, what about Ann pisses her off so much?
 
2012-11-29 04:54:29 PM
Hey Stuart, you thought putting Ann Romney on stage and having her say "I love you women" was effectively reaching out to women voters. Then you thought spray painting Mitt brown was effectively reaching out to minorities. See the problem yet?
 
2012-11-29 05:03:18 PM

Neeek: I'm absolutely positive that Romney voters had no idea what his positions on the issues actually were. No one does except maybe Romney. And frankly, I think he doesn't actually have positions on most of them at all.


His "five point tax plan"? Talking point. There was nothing behind it. When Paul Ryan claimed that he can't explain all the math behind it because it was too complicated, the real reason was that there was nothing there. The GOP has been all cover, no book since Reagan. They've taken puppetry to not just who they have as a titular head of state, but to policies and positions.
 
2012-11-29 05:06:49 PM

Kanemano: President Al Sharpton, and President Jesse Jackson proves your point.


Jesse Jackson was never elected president because he never carried the white Democratic vote in the primaries. In the primaries, he got roughly the same percent of the minority vote that Obama did. Obama just got more of the white vote.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/01/obama_200 8 _vs_jackson_1988.html

So yeah, the voting pattern for Jackson kinda does prove his point. Minority voters are going to vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and overwhelmingly for a minority candidate. If you're a minority candidate on a Democratic ticket, you're going to do really, really well with minority voters.
 
2012-11-29 05:09:16 PM

Maud Dib: Vegan Meat Popsicle: the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.

What's it like living in the perpetual fog of complete self-unawareness?

I favorited him as Fark Independent...

[i865.photobucket.com image 360x450]


Isn't it hilarious Romney thought he was going to win, because "independent" voters were swinging towards him.

If he only know about Fark Independents.
 
2012-11-29 05:12:59 PM

Jim_Callahan: Dude... Mexicans don't vote in US elections. The reason your immigration policy is a big minus with latino voters is that it's based around treating latino citizens as if they are Mexicans, i.e. foreign nationals without the normal rights of citizens.

No one cares if you identify illegal immigrants and give them the boot. They do care if you base your attempts to do so on harassing and persecuting entirely legitimate citizens simply because they look kinda brownish or speak in a dialect.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-29 05:14:40 PM
Stuart Stevens now says if he could do Romney's campaign all over again, he'd try to reach out to "women and those Mexicans"

"Impaler Marketing Services LLC" was ready to launch that ad campaign too, but they never gave us the green light!

growlersoftware.com

http://growlersoftware.com/users/Conservative4ever/gop_courting_hispa ni cs.jpg
 
2012-11-29 05:15:15 PM
growlersoftware.com
 
2012-11-29 05:26:24 PM

Talondel: So yeah, the voting pattern for Jackson kinda does prove his point.


That article targeted the black vote, not the minority vote, and one would expect black voters to rally behind Jackson for his Civil Rights activism. Obama didn't win ~75% of the Latino AND Asian-American vote just for being black.
 
2012-11-29 05:29:46 PM

impaler: [growlersoftware.com image 800x562]

afeatheradrift.files.wordpress.com

I guess America wasn't ready for its first Mexican presidente.
 
2012-11-29 05:30:30 PM

jst3p: Just curious, what about Ann pisses her off so much?


Probably that damn bird shirt. I know it infuriated me.
 
2012-11-29 05:52:41 PM
"I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

But...Your day wasn't carried.
 
2012-11-29 05:59:56 PM

Epoch_Zero: Graffito: [i232.photobucket.com image 399x297]

i915.photobucket.com

 
2012-11-29 06:15:09 PM
FTFA: Still, Stevens repeated many of the same points in the interview that he wrote in the op-ed. The major themes of the campaign were still the right ones to go with, he said on Thursday. "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

Um, no. No, they didn't. You lost; by definition, nothing "carried the day" for you.
 
2012-11-29 06:22:07 PM

the money is in the banana stand: flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.


Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole part ...


Make up your mind; did voters blindly vote for Obama because he's a minority, or because he's an incumbent? Or was it because they wanted free stuff? Or was it some other excuse that spares you from any amount of self-reflection?
 
2012-11-29 07:56:20 PM
They absolutely were trying to win women and Mexican voters.

1. Mitt Romney used every single opportunity he could to point out that his dad was born in Mexico. That was his Mexican outreach. That and the mantra that America needed to expand trade, in Latin America. That was his general Hispanic outreach. That and self-deportation. (The kinder, gentler getting rid of Hispanic people!) They were trying, and it was laughable.


2. "Women don't care about reproductive health, women care about THE ECONOMY" was their message. For months. They really thought that they could pacify the pro-rape-because-Jesus people by bashing Planned Parenthood, while simultaneously telling women this was all was okay because they didn't care about their health, right?
In other words, they were morons. Obama picked up on this early and was able to demonstrate his considerable record of being a feminist President throughout the campaign. It was smart and on-note.
There's another few readily observable differences that I'm women will have picked up on, consciously or not. If you look at Obama's chief advisors and the most visible people he has appointed to his Cabinet and to the Supreme Court, there are a lot of high-profile women, of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. If you look at how Obama describes gender issues, it's often in relation to being a father of daughters; he's been really clear in communicating his commitment to advancing equality for women in a way that is profoundly relatable. Obama has gone out of his way for four years to demonstrate that he's a man who respects women as equals. And I doubt it's just for the electoral advantage; I'm pretty sure that's how he's lived his life.
I'm equally sure Mitt Romney isn't a sexist asshole. He probably really tried with that binders full of women stuff. There is certainly a Republican elite commitment to female CEOs and high-level politicians and public figures. Republicans absolutely do support successful women. And I'm sure Romney respects the women in his life. But his tone-deafness on any issue relevant to women in the general public is part of his general problem of being unable to comprehend or relate to people whose life experiences are different from his own.
 
2012-11-29 08:04:08 PM
You know what bothered me about this election is that Romney even got 47% of the vote. What is wrong with these people? They hate Obama so much that they are willing to vote against their interest. I don't get it.
 
2012-11-29 08:07:30 PM

AeAe: You know what bothered me about this election is that Romney even got 47% of the vote. What is wrong with these people? They hate Obama so much that they are willing to vote against their interest. I don't get it.


Think about it another way. Only 47% of Americans voted for Romney. You guys are making great progress as a country. Think of how many Americans actually thought George W. Bush was a good idea... twice.
 
2012-11-29 08:42:27 PM
s1.reutersmedia.net

i.imgur.com

www.mikechurch.com
 
2012-11-29 08:46:03 PM

bobbette: Think about it another way. Only 47% of Americans voted for Romney.


Actually, only about 19% of Americans voted for Romney. About 59 million from a population of 311.5 million. Around 28% of eligible voters picked him.
 
2012-11-29 08:48:56 PM
ihatepeacocks.com
 
2012-11-29 09:52:16 PM

Dr Dreidel: PsiChick: The same goes for women voters, he said. "The governor has a great record on women's issues. We should have done a better job articulating that record."

ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpeg

/When you sign a party platform that farks over women, you are no longer someone with a great record on women's issues.

The governor himself may hold views that are not repugnant to women. The thing about down-ticket races and party ID is that it ain't just about him. People see that HIS PARTY is full of nutjobs and weirdos (and wasteoids, etc), and he gets painted with the same brush.

Perhaps a more forceful rejection and rePudiation of such vile views would be a better balm for the party than "He's pro-women, I pinky-swear. He's got binders full of them!"


Pretty much, yeah. Not sure why the P is bolded, though...

/Romney lost because of the rape comments. He might not have made them, but if your party marches in lockstep, and you signed a goddamn platform about this exact topic...
 
2012-11-29 10:21:10 PM
"I think he was saying there was an effort that the incumbent used as many other incumbents have used to reach out to constituents," Stevens said in the interview. 



Yes, that's what he meant.
 
2012-11-29 10:45:09 PM
Here's a tip: if you lose the election, your ideas did not, in fact, "carry the day." If you win "the majority of the middle class" but lose the election, you did not, in fact, win Jack shiat.

You're welcome.
 
2012-11-29 10:52:20 PM

cbathrob: Here's a tip: if you lose the election, your ideas did not, in fact, "carry the day." If you win "the majority of the middle class" but lose the election, you did not, in fact, win Jack shiat.

You're welcome.


You give them too much credit. They didn't win a majority of the middle class. They are delusional on who is middle class.
 
2012-11-29 10:59:44 PM

Neeek: cbathrob: Here's a tip: if you lose the election, your ideas did not, in fact, "carry the day." If you win "the majority of the middle class" but lose the election, you did not, in fact, win Jack shiat.

You're welcome.

You give them too much credit. They didn't win a majority of the middle class. They are delusional on who is middle class.


I know, but this was an argument he used in yesterday's Op Ed in the Washington Post. Even if it was true, he still lost.
 
2012-11-30 12:18:49 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2012-11-30 12:23:18 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: But Romney did try to reach out to women and Mexicans. Both groups love a swarthy man.

[www.fataldownflaw.com image 427x242]


He also reached out to the African American community:
www.ha-yes.com

If only he had tried to reach out to the transgender community as well.
 
2012-11-30 12:48:28 AM

theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!


"We killed more VC than they killed US infantrymen! We totally won the war!"
 
2012-11-30 03:15:37 AM

bobbette: If you look at how Obama describes gender issues, it's often in relation to being a father of daughters;


You know, now that you are pointing this out, that explains some thins Obama only has daughters, whereas Romney only has sons. That could explain how he could be out of touch, or not care, about women's issues.
 
2012-11-30 03:25:06 AM

padraig: bobbette: If you look at how Obama describes gender issues, it's often in relation to being a father of daughters;

You know, now that you are pointing this out, that explains some thins Obama only has daughters, whereas Romney only has sons. That could explain how he could be out of touch, or not care, about women's issues.


...except that Romney has a wife (one assumes, unless he propagates by asexual fission) (which seems not entirely out of the question) and therefore one might assume he would be at least somewhat in touch with or care about women's issues.
 
2012-11-30 05:25:47 AM

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2012-11-30 06:13:57 AM

NateGrey: Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.

Hire that guy.

/Wombat something


I haven't seen wombat in a while (I am sure that I have't seen him since November 6th. I think it's wombat hater or something. I have someone favorited (don't remember who it is right now) as "handed wombat_____ his ass in thread." He must be using a new alt now.
 
2012-11-30 06:44:10 AM

Talondel: Kanemano: President Al Sharpton, and President Jesse Jackson proves your point.

Jesse Jackson was never elected president because he never carried the white Democratic vote in the primaries. In the primaries, he got roughly the same percent of the minority vote that Obama did. Obama just got more of the white vote.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/01/obama_200 8 _vs_jackson_1988.html

So yeah, the voting pattern for Jackson kinda does prove his point. Minority voters are going to vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and overwhelmingly for a minority candidate. If you're a minority candidate on a Democratic ticket, you're going to do really, really well with minority voters.


citation please (since I'm black and never voted for Jesse Jackson or Al Shapton).
 
2012-11-30 07:13:57 AM

busy chillin': the money is in the banana stand: I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion.

Well, what do you expect? Romney didn't even know where he stood on most issues.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-11-30 07:17:13 AM

impaler: Markoff_Cheney: the post mortem on this campaign is going to get even more brutal methinks.
clown shoes, clown shoes everywhere.

I hope so.

I don't ever remember discussions about "why we lost" going for this long after an election. I also don't ever remember this much self-analysis by a party being so far off from reality.

It used to hard to tell if some marginal Republican analysis was for real or satire.
It's starting to get hard to tell if some mainstream Republican analysis is for real or satire.


Maybe it's because a lot more money was tied up in this election? If it were just the little folks on both sides, that'd be the end of it. Because it was the Sheldon Adelsons of the world who put a lot of money into this and still managed to 'lose', the Sheldon Adelsons want answers and they'll push, prod and poke whom they need to to get those answers (telling them what they want to hear). The shiat drops from the top. The rest of us are expected to root and roll in it.
 
2012-11-30 07:29:03 AM

bobbette: They absolutely were trying to win women and Mexican voters.

1. Mitt Romney used every single opportunity he could to point out that his dad was born in Mexico. That was his Mexican outreach. That and the mantra that America needed to expand trade, in Latin America. That was his general Hispanic outreach. That and self-deportation. (The kinder, gentler getting rid of Hispanic people!) They were trying, and it was laughable.

2. "Women don't care about reproductive health, women care about THE ECONOMY" was their message. For months. They really thought that they could pacify the pro-rape-because-Jesus people by bashing Planned Parenthood, while simultaneously telling women this was all was okay because they didn't care about their health, right?
In other words, they were morons. Obama picked up on this early and was able to demonstrate his considerable record of being a feminist President throughout the campaign. It was smart and on-note.
There's another few readily observable differences that I'm women will have picked up on, consciously or not. If you look at Obama's chief advisors and the most visible people he has appointed to his Cabinet and to the Supreme Court, there are a lot of high-profile women, of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. If you look at how Obama describes gender issues, it's often in relation to being a father of daughters; he's been really clear in communicating his commitment to advancing equality for women in a way that is profoundly relatable. Obama has gone out of his way for four years to demonstrate that he's a man who respects women as equals. And I doubt it's just for the electoral advantage; I'm pretty sure that's how he's lived his life.
I'm equally sure Mitt Romney isn't a sexist asshole. He probably really tried with that binders full of women stuff. There is certainly a Republican elite commitment to female CEOs and high-level politicians and public figures. Republicans absolutely do support successful women. And ...


No, he didn't. He twisted the story around to make himself look like the magnanimous Patriarch commanding his humble minions to engage in some affirmative action. It angered both sides.
- His alleged 'core' for stating outright that he took it upon himself to pass over qualified persons who happened to be male and white, for possibly lesser qualified female and who-knows-what-the-fk, for politically correct reasons. No fking bueno. No fking bueno at all.
- Libs who thought the story sounded mighty suspect, and were proven right when come to find out the binder of women was presented to him after the fact by a women's group... it was something forced on him, not something he commanded to happen. No bueno.
- Everybody else who just thought the story was shady. Mas no bueno.

It was just fail all the way around. It was fail because he's inauthentic, and doesn't have Bill Clinton's preternatural gift for turning inauthenticity into charmingness. If Bill Clinton had sat up there and relayed that same story, more people would have swallowed it, because Bill's just that good. But it wasn't.

As for your analysis of Obama, I agree with you on those points, and wish I could state them as well as you. So I'll just steal them from you with credit to you, for the future.
 
2012-11-30 09:47:12 AM

flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.


"States Rights" is code for southern white man redneck bullsh*t. Bank on it.

Any guy starts spouting that, you can flush his views and ignore his crap from that point on. Why? Because he wants to live in a world that died in 1865, and believes our world is fundamentally not legitimate.
 
2012-11-30 05:49:31 PM

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I don't know why I found that so hilarious, but thank you.
 
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