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2012-11-29 03:10:19 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


Getting a good zinger in on that uppity ni*BONG*
 
2012-11-29 03:11:12 PM
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 03:12:03 PM

SixPaperJoint: "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

Yep, they're gonna be farked for a long time if this is a shared belief.


Yeah, that one cracked me up... Republican ideas "won the day" in this delusion asshole's mind.

What farking planet do these people live on?

Republican ideas won the day... *shakes head* Give me a farking break.
 
2012-11-29 03:12:45 PM

Gough: red5ish: How would he manage to make a platform that is inherently hostile to women and Latinos palatable?
Since it was Romney, my guess is by having him totally misrepresent his real beliefs.

In all fairness, they were able to convince a sizable chunk of the population to vote against their own best interests....


It cost a lot of money and effort, including a 24-7 "news" channel to pull off, but you're right. Kudos to GOP for fooling some of the people all of the time.
 
2012-11-29 03:12:53 PM
the post mortem on this campaign is going to get even more brutal methinks.
clown shoes, clown shoes everywhere.
 
2012-11-29 03:13:42 PM

Graffito: [i232.photobucket.com image 399x297]


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-29 03:16:46 PM
Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.
 
2012-11-29 03:16:48 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


It's what losers say to make themselves feel better.

Also, sportsmanship award.
 
2012-11-29 03:17:21 PM
Oh, I think they reached women allright. I think they reached right into their uterus.
 
2012-11-29 03:23:15 PM

Markoff_Cheney: the post mortem on this campaign is going to get even more brutal methinks.
clown shoes, clown shoes everywhere.


I hope so.

I don't ever remember discussions about "why we lost" going for this long after an election. I also don't ever remember this much self-analysis by a party being so far off from reality.

It used to hard to tell if some marginal Republican analysis was for real or satire.
It's starting to get hard to tell if some mainstream Republican analysis is for real or satire.
 
2012-11-29 03:24:43 PM

qorkfiend: NateGrey: Where is that one Fark Con that was adamant Romney would win because minorities and women wouldn't come out to vote and the Freeper enthusiasm of 2010 would guarantee a Romney landslide.

Hire that guy.

/Wombat something

I haven't seen him around since the election. Funny, that.


The problem with intellectual cowardice is when the facts make a total idiot of you, then you kind of only have one option, and that's to run away.

Nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-11-29 03:30:06 PM

flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.



Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole party system is a complete sham to begin with...
 
2012-11-29 03:32:12 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


The Jets scoring 19 in last Thursday night's game.

// Romney's winning the whites
// not that he's saying white voters were more moral, or were the only group that voted their morals, or anything...
 
2012-11-29 03:32:38 PM
This seems to me like a Coca-Cola executive arguing that New Coke failed because it wasn't marketed properly, not because everyone who tasted it almost universally agreed that it sucked.

You can do all the "outreach" to a voting demographic you want, but if they don't want to buy what you're selling you are still SOL. What was said by a GOP senator in 2008 is now more relevant than ever: "If the GOP were a brand of dog food, it would already have been removed from the shelves"
 
2012-11-29 03:34:01 PM

keylock71: SixPaperJoint: "I certainly don't think it was the ideas. I think the ideas carried the day for us."

Yep, they're gonna be farked for a long time if this is a shared belief.

Yeah, that one cracked me up... Republican ideas "won the day" in this delusion asshole's mind.

What farking planet do these people live on?

Republican ideas won the day... *shakes head* Give me a farking break.


At this point all I can think of is:

24.media.tumblr.com 

Maybe they'll come back better.
Or not.
 
2012-11-29 03:35:43 PM

impaler: They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"


That moment of her speech was some bizarre-ass bullshiat.
 
2012-11-29 03:36:15 PM

flux: I think we have a very good message there. We just have to do a better job with it.

Look, guy, the reason people chose to re-elect Obama over your man Romney was not that they just haven't heard your message yet. Outreach isn't going to change anything. It's like thinking that the reason I'm not a Christian is that I just hadn't heard of Jesus.

You believe fewer social services and smaller government creates a situation that actually benefits everyone. That's fine. People of means often think this. People without means, or who have been without means, or who can muster just the bare minimum of empathy for people without means without dismissing them all as addicts or lazy or entitled... these people see the value of government and social services. We've heard what you believe. You can repeat it all you want; I'm still going to disagree with you.


They Spent $1 billion broadcasting thier "message " in every medium of mass communication known to man except perhpas carrier pigeon and smoke signals. We HEARD your message, pal, we just didn't care for it very much.
 
2012-11-29 03:37:28 PM
FTFA:
he said the Republican campaign could take comfort in the fact that it won wealthier and whiter voters and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Well, good luck with that...as the country gets less white and less rich. And I'm all for morals...but you guys are assholes.

rape rape rape sluts abortion rape takers moochers rape

I've got your inelegantly stated right here
 
2012-11-29 03:40:32 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. [...] The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes.


Okay, if this is the case, then why is Stuart Stevens talking about minority outreach, right here, in this article? Why is so much of the Romney post-mortem focused on shifting demographics and outreach to women and racial minorities?

Of course no voting bloc votes for one reason in lock-step, and you're clearly one of those "everyone is very, very stupid and uninformed" people, but, dude, minorities can be racist against each other. It's totally a thing. I don't think Latinos and Asian-Americans voted for Obama in larger proportions just because he is also not white. It's possible I'm giving voters too much credit, but you're definitely giving them too little.
 
2012-11-29 03:41:12 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.


President Al Sharpton, and President Jesse Jackson proves your point.
 
2012-11-29 03:41:41 PM
Ya think? That would have helped, but it wouldn't have mattered.
 
2012-11-29 03:42:29 PM

Epoch_Zero:


Once you go Barack, you never go back.
 
2012-11-29 03:43:43 PM
Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.
 
2012-11-29 03:44:56 PM
The problem wasn't in the marketing. The problem was the product. It's as if you're trying to sell a car and the thing has no wheels, just sits on the ground and when you stick the key into the ignition, the whole thing explodes. Go ahead and try to put lipstick on that pig.
 
2012-11-29 03:46:11 PM

AeAe: theknuckler_33: and held onto the moral victory over President Obama.

Yay! We won something I totally made up and that is completely impossible to quantify or verify! Go us!!!

I caught that too.. WTF is a "moral victory"?


It's when the Seahawks have a lead going into the fourth quarter.
 
2012-11-29 03:47:12 PM

for good or for awesome: Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.


subbys use creative license to troll you...come on, man. you know this.

herpanics
 
2012-11-29 03:49:42 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.


How are minority voting trends similar to past elections then?
 
2012-11-29 03:52:13 PM

the money is in the banana stand: flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.


Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole part ...


I enjoyed the bolded juxtaposition.  Was that period supposed to be a colon, or am I getting that confused with where you pulled this from?
 
2012-11-29 03:53:59 PM
FTFA: ""We should have done a better job reaching out to Hispanic voters," Stevens said. "We should have done it earlier. And in a more effective way."

You mean like during the republican primaries when Rmoney took a father right stance on immigration than Perry?

had to prove he was a severe conservative, you guys picked them mexicans to prove it.

deal douchebag.
 
2012-11-29 03:54:19 PM
Dear Republicans,

You lost because your party is comprised of idiots.

Sincerely,
America

P.S. Really, dudes. Maybe you should call your mothers before coming up with your party's next platform.
 
2012-11-29 03:55:56 PM

the money is in the banana stand: I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion.


Well, what do you expect? Romney didn't even know where he stood on most issues.
 
2012-11-29 03:56:05 PM
The same goes for women voters, he said. "The governor has a great record on women's issues. We should have done a better job articulating that record."

ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpeg

/When you sign a party platform that farks over women, you are no longer someone with a great record on women's issues.
 
2012-11-29 03:57:19 PM
Reach deep into the derp bag for more ammo, Derpublicans.
Your party is waning. Romney=Moroni
 
2012-11-29 03:57:42 PM

impaler: the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.

How are minority voting trends similar to past elections then?


What? We all voted for Bush in the last two elections. And Bob Dole, before that.
 
2012-11-29 03:57:56 PM
Lying in most of his ads and voter suppression denies even a "moral victory."
Sorry, douchebag.
 
2012-11-29 03:58:24 PM
Rich white men still can't grasp they lost to a black man. The rich white party is angry that the rest of America voted against it.
 
2012-11-29 03:58:55 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(

It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."

/ but don't call them racists....


Hey, in Romney's defense [not that he really deserves a defense] this statement doesn't really come off as racist to me, it just makes him seem like a conniving dipshiat. He only wanted to exploit a Latino heritage if it would garner him political clout. That's not racist, just stupid.

I actually don't think Romney is a racist, just an elitist. You only matter if you've got money, and if you've met that requisite, it doesn't even matter if you're black or latino or a woman (how magnanimous, eh?). You're rich! So you're automatically okay.
 
2012-11-29 04:00:24 PM

PsiChick: The same goes for women voters, he said. "The governor has a great record on women's issues. We should have done a better job articulating that record."

ohwaityou'reseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpeg

/When you sign a party platform that farks over women, you are no longer someone with a great record on women's issues.


The governor himself may hold views that are not repugnant to women. The thing about down-ticket races and party ID is that it ain't just about him. People see that HIS PARTY is full of nutjobs and weirdos (and wasteoids, etc), and he gets painted with the same brush.

Perhaps a more forceful rejection and rePudiation of such vile views would be a better balm for the party than "He's pro-women, I pinky-swear. He's got binders full of them!"
 
2012-11-29 04:00:44 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.


What's it like living in the perpetual fog of complete self-unawareness?
 
2012-11-29 04:05:31 PM

NateAsbestos: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Isitoveryet: If only they'd given Mitt breast implants
and a flesh light to hold betwixt his legs
and painted him darker brown :(

It's a not a joke when the candidate you're mocking actually believes it's true:

"You know, I wish I could claim that I'm Hispanic, and it would help me with the Latino community here in Florida and around the country, but my dad was born of American parents living in Mexico."

/ but don't call them racists....

Hey, in Romney's defense [not that he really deserves a defense] this statement doesn't really come off as racist to me, it just makes him seem like a conniving dipshiat. He only wanted to exploit a Latino heritage if it would garner him political clout. That's not racist, just stupid.

I actually don't think Romney is a racist, just an elitist. You only matter if you've got money, and if you've met that requisite, it doesn't even matter if you're black or latino or a woman (how magnanimous, eh?). You're rich! So you're automatically okay.


It's pretty racist, because it implies that he thinks minorities would blindly vote for him if he was himself a minority. Which is stupid in at least three ways, but also quite racist. It's less "I'm better than you because I'm write" racism and more "you're only voting for Obama because he's black" racism. Which I guess is pretty minor for a Republican, so it flies under the radar.
 
2012-11-29 04:06:50 PM
Hey women and Hispanics:

Stuart Stevens thinks you're stupid enough to fall for this. Remember that.
 
2012-11-29 04:06:53 PM

busy chillin': for good or for awesome: Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.

subbys use creative license to troll you...come on, man. you know this.

herpanics


I appreciate your confidence in me. I just thought that using quotes meant that you had to.. you know,...
I really wish he had said that. It would explain so much.

Romney with self tanner slopped on his face at an Hispanic rally is really the funniest thing ever.
 
2012-11-29 04:09:42 PM
Dude... Mexicans don't vote in US elections. The reason your immigration policy is a big minus with latino voters is that it's based around treating latino citizens as if they are Mexicans, i.e. foreign nationals without the normal rights of citizens.

No one cares if you identify illegal immigrants and give them the boot. They do care if you base your attempts to do so on harassing and persecuting entirely legitimate citizens simply because they look kinda brownish or speak in a dialect.
 
2012-11-29 04:09:50 PM

the money is in the banana stand: flux: Here's one example of why "the message" is fundamentally flawed: "it should be left up to the States" was a mantra of the Romney campaign, repeated by the candidate and his spokespeople on a huge range of issues: off the top of my head, that line was Romney's "position" on abortion, personhood laws, same-sex visitation rights, the affordable care act, minimum wage, disaster relief, and probably at least a few more. I think it was more of an evasion than a position, but is "states' rights" a component of the GOP's message? It sure is.

Here's the problem: "states' rights" has been the primary argument for the continued oppression of minorities throughout US history. It was the argument against abolishing slavery, desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act. Minorities aren't voting for Obama because he's a minority; they didn't vote for Clinton because he "acted black" by going on Arsenio Hall and playing black music on his "Blaxophone." It's because they aren't completely ignorant of the political history of the country they live in.

If your plan for winning minority voters is just making extra sure that they hear your message, I feel obligated to point out that the message you're explaining to them, again, is the same message your party used to oppress them fifty years ago. It's going to be a hard sell.


Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority. The Democratic Party could more or less do or say anything and it wouldn't change the voting trend much. Don't believe that? Look at Bush. Huge fark up and yet he got elected for a second term. You give voters and people in general too much credit. I guaran-farking-tee you that the VAST majority of voters have no idea where their candidates stand on most issues and are able to hold any sort of intelligent discussion. You can sure bet they can parrot whatever they heard their friends or the TV say. The Republican Party more or less cannot win minority votes. The whole part ...


I'm absolutely positive that Romney voters had no idea what his positions on the issues actually were. No one does except maybe Romney. And frankly, I think he doesn't actually have positions on most of them at all.
 
2012-11-29 04:10:26 PM

for good or for awesome: busy chillin': for good or for awesome: Did he really say that? I don't see it in the article.

subbys use creative license to troll you...come on, man. you know this.

herpanics

I appreciate your confidence in me. I just thought that using quotes meant that you had to.. you know,...
I really wish he had said that. It would explain so much.

Romney with self tanner slopped on his face at an Hispanic rally is really the funniest thing ever.


It's even better because of how poorly done it is. Not only does he look oranger than Bohner, they didn't even bother to do his ears or his hands. Or up by his eyebrows. Incompetence and dishonesty, what a package!
 
2012-11-29 04:16:10 PM

impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"


My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."
 
2012-11-29 04:22:14 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: the money is in the banana stand: Bullshiat blanket statement. They primarily are voting for Obama because he is a minority.

What's it like living in the perpetual fog of complete self-unawareness?


I favorited him as Fark Independent...

i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 04:25:46 PM
Well, there's always 2016. Mitt should run again next election. I'm certain he'll do much better next time.

*snicker*
 
2012-11-29 04:27:56 PM

CheetahOlivetti: impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"

My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."


Any particular incident that pissed her off so much? Cause that's hilarious.
 
2012-11-29 04:32:44 PM

Neeek: CheetahOlivetti: impaler: mahuika: But they did try to.

I feel like this is just about creating the false narrative that they lost because they didn't try, not because their message and candidate was rejected.

They should have had Ann Romney give a speech during the convention.

Maybe say something about "I LOVE YOU WOOOOOOOMENNNNNNNNNNN!!"

My conservative MIL is now an Obama fan, mostly because of Ann Romney (and a bit because of ACA -- she's an RN). If you say "Ann Romney" around her, you'll get the immediate response: "That biatch; who does she think she is."

Any particular incident that pissed her off so much? Cause that's hilarious.


It was her "you people" comment.
 
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