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(ESPN)   Honey Badger to enter NFL Draft because Honey Badger don't give a shiat about college anymore   (espn.go.com) divider line 80
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2012-11-29 12:31:45 PM  
This can go two ways.

One, he ends up on a team with great coaches who can act as mentors and bring his personal life in line, in which case a perennial contender gets a gamebreaking playmaker who will have a handful of great years before inevitably becoming injured due to his playstyle.

Two, he ends up on a team that completely disregards character issues, in which case a basketcase franchise ends up with three years of legal trouble before he inevitably gets locked up due to his personal life.

Your move, Oakland.
 
2012-11-29 12:54:32 PM  
Maurice Clarett v2.0
 
2012-11-29 01:02:17 PM  

Jubeebee: This can go two ways.


Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.
 
2012-11-29 01:35:07 PM  
Hopefully he gets a huge contract so he can pay for that yayo.
 
2012-11-29 01:36:48 PM  

Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

One, he ends up on a team with great coaches who can act as mentors and bring his personal life in line, in which case a perennial contender gets a gamebreaking playmaker who will have a handful of great years before inevitably becoming injured due to his playstyle.

Two, he ends up on a team that completely disregards character issues, in which case a basketcase franchise ends up with three years of legal trouble before he inevitably gets locked up due to his personal life.

Your move, Oakland.


Three, Adam "Pac-Man" Jones.
 
2012-11-29 01:38:35 PM  

RminusQ: Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.


tallguywithglasseson: Three, Adam "Pac-Man" Jones.


Amongst the ways this could go...
 
2012-11-29 01:51:06 PM  
What do you mean, "anymore"?
 
2012-11-29 01:52:27 PM  

Jubeebee: RminusQ: Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

tallguywithglasseson: Three, Adam "Pac-Man" Jones.

Amongst the ways this could go...


Terrelle Pryor.
 
2012-11-29 01:53:22 PM  

Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

One, he ends up on a team with great coaches who can act as mentors and bring his personal life in line, in which case a perennial contender gets a gamebreaking playmaker who will have a handful of great years before inevitably becoming injured due to his playstyle.

Two, he ends up on a team that completely disregards character issues, in which case a basketcase franchise ends up with three years of legal trouble before he inevitably gets locked up due to his personal life.

Your move, Oakland.


Eh, from what I heard NFL scouts were never all that high (pardon the reference) on him in the first place. Without elite speed he looked like a tweener, maybe a second- or third-round pick, even before all his troubles began.
 
2012-11-29 01:53:32 PM  
Banished to the wastelands of the CFL.
 
2012-11-29 01:54:31 PM  
Let's see the Redskins are hurting on D.

He sounds like just the guy to shiat all over the RG3-Alfred Morris awesomeness that we've built.
 
2012-11-29 01:56:57 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Jubeebee: RminusQ: Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

tallguywithglasseson: Three, Adam "Pac-Man" Jones.

Amongst the ways this could go...

Terrelle Pryor.


Marcus Vick
 
2012-11-29 01:59:01 PM  

kronicfeld: Maurice Clarett v2.0


This.

He'll expect more than he should be given (just an opportunity), and he'll pout about it.
 
2012-11-29 01:59:08 PM  

basemetal: Banished to the wastelands of the CFL.


CFL isn't really his kinda style. CFL corners are 100% pure cover corners, given the 6 receiver sets with unlimited motion and the wider field. There's little running game.

Still, he could play for BC. They have excellent bud out there, I hear. 

Please, oh please, I beg you Mr. Kraft: veto this guy. Such a punk. Although, Aaron Hernandez was a pot-head too...
 
2012-11-29 02:03:14 PM  
All those players are at least very gifted and teams were gambling on turning their lives around. He's not physically talented enough to be worth any kind of risk.

Best case scenario is he gets his life straightened out and is an average player at his position
 
2012-11-29 02:05:11 PM  
Hopefully he's a big enough risk that he will fall through to the Pack in the draft. KIPER NO HYPING.

Anyways, how is this legal? I thought you had to have 3 years college before declaration. Even if he stayed in school it would only be 2 years. Is it once you declare then it doesn't matter if you are only 18?

/we need corners!
 
2012-11-29 02:07:04 PM  
Rams might take a flyer on him if he falls far enough in the draft.
/they've done OK so far with Jenkins

JC
 
2012-11-29 02:07:44 PM  

thecpt: Hopefully he's a big enough risk that he will fall through to the Pack in the draft. KIPER NO HYPING.

Anyways, how is this legal? I thought you had to have 3 years college before declaration. Even if he stayed in school it would only be 2 years. Is it once you declare then it doesn't matter if you are only 18?

/we need corners!


No, the rule states you can only enter the draft after 3 years of graduating high school. That's why Amobi Okoye was drafted by the Texans at age 19. He went to Louisville at age 15, and graduated.
 
2012-11-29 02:09:52 PM  
Maurice Clarett v2.0

Ditto to that.
 
2012-11-29 02:10:49 PM  

FinFangFark: No, the rule states you can only enter the draft after 3 years of graduating high school. That's why Amobi Okoye was drafted by the Texans at age 19. He went to Louisville at age 15, and graduated.


Ohhhhhh. You helped me learn something new today. Thank you.
 
2012-11-29 02:14:57 PM  
well, for whatever reason, i always liked the guy. i hope he does well with the draft (finds the right spot on the right team -- I'm sure it exists). i'm also sure there are worse players entering the draft that get a job somewhere.
 
2012-11-29 02:17:56 PM  

RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.


What does he have to get together? Has he done anything besides getting caught with weed? The only reason why he went to rehab and made that whole announcement is because he failed an NCAA drug test for weed and was trying to preserve his eligibility and keep his options open. As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.
 
2012-11-29 02:18:41 PM  

pute kisses like a man: well, for whatever reason, i always liked the guy. i hope he does well with the draft (finds the right spot on the right team -- I'm sure it exists). i'm also sure there are worse players entering the draft that get a job somewhere.


Oh there will be a team that will take a chance on him in the 5th or 6th round. Those are the rounds were you can do so, especially if you have extra picks. It all depends on if he gets invited to the combine, and if LSU allows him to participate in the pro day (highly unlikely). If none of that happens, he'll host a private workout, and will probably go undrafted, but someone will offer him a roster spot.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:20 PM  
Hmmm...I immediately thought Cowboys when I read this.
 
2012-11-29 02:20:07 PM  

ongbok: As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.



About that... Link
 
2012-11-29 02:21:10 PM  

ongbok: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

What does he have to get together? Has he done anything besides getting caught with weed? The only reason why he went to rehab and made that whole announcement is because he failed an NCAA drug test for weed and was trying to preserve his eligibility and keep his options open. As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized legalized there.


nope
 
2012-11-29 02:21:37 PM  

Killer Cars: ongbok: As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.


About that... Link


I wasn't talking about with the NFL, I was just talking about with the law.
 
2012-11-29 02:25:25 PM  

thecpt: Hopefully he's a big enough risk that he will fall through to the Pack in the draft. KIPER NO HYPING.


Well, if you watch the video with the link (which I hadn't done before my own post above, but now have), you'll see Kiper saying he'll fall to the third or fourth round, and McShay more or less agreeing. Again, even before his legal troubles, he was viewed as just a second-round pick. He is not considered an elite talent by scouts. I can see him making big plays in the context of a defense with good all-around talent surrounding him, able to protect him from having his liabilities exposed too much. He seems to be more of a nickel guy who can create big plays with better cover corners playing outside. So if you want him in the late third there's a good chance you'll get him, though I question whether Green Bay can be that elite passing defense where he'd thrive.
 
2012-11-29 02:26:01 PM  

ongbok: Killer Cars: ongbok: As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.


About that... Link

I wasn't talking about with the NFL, I was just talking about with the law.


Well what good is it gonna do for him to move to Seattle or Denver if he can't pass a piss test in the NFL? Speaking off...even though it's still against league policy, don't be surprised if more than a couple of guys get handed suspensions this offseason because of that logic.
 
2012-11-29 02:28:56 PM  

FinFangFark: ongbok: Killer Cars: ongbok: As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.


About that... Link

I wasn't talking about with the NFL, I was just talking about with the law.

Well what good is it gonna do for him to move to Seattle or Denver if he can't pass a piss test in the NFL? Speaking off...even though it's still against league policy, don't be surprised if more than a couple of guys get handed suspensions this offseason because of that logic.


Do you really think it is all that hard to pass a weed test in the NFL or any of the other major sports? I can't remember the last time somebody got suspended for weed in the NFL that didn't start with them getting arrested first.
 
2012-11-29 02:30:48 PM  

Super Chronic: Well, if you watch the video with the link (which I hadn't done before my own post above, but now have), you'll see Kiper saying he'll fall to the third or fourth round, and McShay more or less agreeing. Again, even before his legal troubles, he was viewed as just a second-round pick. He is not considered an elite talent by scouts. I can see him making big plays in the context of a defense with good all-around talent surrounding him, able to protect him from having his liabilities exposed too much. He seems to be more of a nickel guy who can create big plays with better cover corners playing outside. So if you want him in the late third there's a good chance you'll get him, though I question whether Green Bay can be that elite passing defense where he'd thrive.


I haven't been able to listen to the audio yet (at work) but i think GB has a system where he'll succeed due to their stance of "we don't care about yards, we just want turnovers." It's been their tendency the last few years, not so much this year. I wasn't able to watch his year at LSU, but the ESPN film I've seen on him makes me think he is a player who will take risk to force turnover (like charles woodson)
 
2012-11-29 02:34:11 PM  

ongbok: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

What does he have to get together? Has he done anything besides getting caught with weed? The only reason why he went to rehab and made that whole announcement is because he failed an NCAA drug test for weed and was trying to preserve his eligibility and keep his options open. As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.


OK fine, I'll channel my inner homer for a moment here. Mathieu could be a great fit on the Seahawks. To put my above post more succinctly: he's a guy who can make a good defense scary, but not a guy who can make a bad defense good. If he can play the slot with good corners shutting down receivers outside, good safety help to cover up the inevitable mistakes, and a solid pass-rush to force opposing QBs into making rash decisions, Mathieu could be a pick-6 machine. I'd be really, really tempted if I were the Seahawks looking at Mathieu still on the board in the late third.
 
2012-11-29 02:34:16 PM  
Mr. Irrelevant 2013
 
2012-11-29 02:35:02 PM  

Super Chronic: ongbok: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

What does he have to get together? Has he done anything besides getting caught with weed? The only reason why he went to rehab and made that whole announcement is because he failed an NCAA drug test for weed and was trying to preserve his eligibility and keep his options open. As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.

OK fine, I'll channel my inner homer for a moment here. Mathieu could be a great fit on the Seahawks. To put my above post more succinctly: he's a guy who can make a good defense scary, but not a guy who can make a bad defense good. If he can play the slot with good corners shutting down receivers outside, good safety help to cover up the inevitable mistakes, and a solid pass-rush to force opposing QBs into making rash decisions, Mathieu could be a pick-6 machine. I'd be really, really tempted if I were the Seahawks looking at Mathieu still on the board in the late third.


... but whatever you do, just don't let Mathieu and Leroy Hill be roommates in preseason.
 
2012-11-29 02:42:19 PM  
As for KG:

i.huffpost.com
 
2012-11-29 02:51:27 PM  
Serious question: is pot part of the NFL testing process and "banned substance" list? I know the NBA still lets the players doobie it up, but I thought one of the recent NFL labor agreements made marijuana a no-no.
 
2012-11-29 02:58:10 PM  

mjohnson71: Serious question: is pot part of the NFL testing process and "banned substance" list? I know the NBA still lets the players doobie it up, but I thought one of the recent NFL labor agreements made marijuana a no-no.


It seems like they don't really care about it unless you get arrested for possession. That is when they start hassling players about it.
 
2012-11-29 03:03:36 PM  

degenerate-afro: Incorrigible Astronaut: Jubeebee: RminusQ: Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

tallguywithglasseson: Three, Adam "Pac-Man" Jones.

Amongst the ways this could go...

Terrelle Pryor.

Marcus Vick


You know, right after I posted that I saw a blurb on Yahoo about Pryor dressing for Sunday's game for the first time. I wouldn't mind seeing the guy in a real NFL game now that he's spent a season and a half on the roster.
 
2012-11-29 03:15:15 PM  

ongbok: mjohnson71: Serious question: is pot part of the NFL testing process and "banned substance" list? I know the NBA still lets the players doobie it up, but I thought one of the recent NFL labor agreements made marijuana a no-no.

It seems like they don't really care about it unless you get arrested for possession. That is when they start hassling players about it.


Nope, they test for it. I remember reading about a couple players this season/preseason got suspensions for it.

/I'll come in again
 
2012-11-29 03:29:32 PM  

ongbok: It seems like they don't really care about it unless you get arrested for possession. That is when they start hassling players about it.


Fred Davis and Trent Williams would disagree with that assessment.
 
2012-11-29 03:38:04 PM  
How about the Lions - honey badger and Suh as a tag team duo of doucheitude?

/that might actually be fun
 
2012-11-29 03:39:39 PM  

RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.


Jerramy Stevens negates your entire argument.
 
2012-11-29 03:41:02 PM  

redmid17: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

Jerramy Stevens negates your entire argument.


Actually Janikowski does do.
 
2012-11-29 03:42:26 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: How about the Lions - honey badger and Suh as a tag team duo of doucheitude?

/that might actually be fun


They already have Fairley, it'll be a trio
 
2012-11-29 03:43:16 PM  

redmid17: redmid17: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

Jerramy Stevens negates your entire argument.

Actually Janikowski does do.


See also: Larry Johnson
 
2012-11-29 03:49:43 PM  

ongbok: mjohnson71: Serious question: is pot part of the NFL testing process and "banned substance" list? I know the NBA still lets the players doobie it up, but I thought one of the recent NFL labor agreements made marijuana a no-no.

It seems like they don't really care about it unless you get arrested for possession. That is when they start hassling players about it.


You're delusional. The NFL doesn't just ignore some drug offenses when they feel like it. If he's either too dumb or needs weed too much to be able to pass drug tests in the NCAA he won't be any better in the NFL.

That and I don't know of anyone with a drug problem that ever got better by a big payday
 
2012-11-29 03:51:15 PM  

The Slush: redmid17: redmid17: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

Jerramy Stevens negates your entire argument.

Actually Janikowski does do.

See also: Larry Johnson


Did those happen after he got to the NFL?
 
2012-11-29 03:53:29 PM  

ongbok: FinFangFark: ongbok: Killer Cars: ongbok: As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.


About that... Link

I wasn't talking about with the NFL, I was just talking about with the law.

Well what good is it gonna do for him to move to Seattle or Denver if he can't pass a piss test in the NFL? Speaking off...even though it's still against league policy, don't be surprised if more than a couple of guys get handed suspensions this offseason because of that logic.

Do you really think it is all that hard to pass a weed test in the NFL or any of the other major sports? I can't remember the last time somebody got suspended for weed in the NFL that didn't start with them getting arrested first.


Fred Davis and Trent Williams, both starters, were suspended the last 4 games of the season last year for testing positive for the wacky tobaccy.
 
2012-11-29 04:03:34 PM  

redmid17: The Slush: redmid17: redmid17: RminusQ: Jubeebee: This can go two ways.

Three, he never plays a game in the NFL because he is so very, very far from having his shiat together.

Jerramy Stevens negates your entire argument.

Actually Janikowski does do.

See also: Larry Johnson

Did those happen after he got to the NFL?


All of those guys continued being arrested after they hit the NFL. Janikowsky hasn't done anything I can think of lately, but those other guys are farking up post-NFL, too.
 
2012-11-29 04:07:07 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: ongbok: FinFangFark: ongbok: Killer Cars: ongbok: As long as he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle he should be fine because weed has been decriminalized there.


About that... Link

I wasn't talking about with the NFL, I was just talking about with the law.

Well what good is it gonna do for him to move to Seattle or Denver if he can't pass a piss test in the NFL? Speaking off...even though it's still against league policy, don't be surprised if more than a couple of guys get handed suspensions this offseason because of that logic.

Do you really think it is all that hard to pass a weed test in the NFL or any of the other major sports? I can't remember the last time somebody got suspended for weed in the NFL that didn't start with them getting arrested first.

Fred Davis and Trent Williams, both starters, were suspended the last 4 games of the season last year for testing positive for the wacky tobaccy.


Both of them had multiple failed test. But I stand corrected. Didn't know about these two, all the ones that I previously heard about getting suspended had run ins wityh the law for weed or other substances, possession or DUI, and were suspended for failed test after the run ins.
 
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