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2012-11-29 09:58:47 AM
So basically 'Swipe no swiping' is an exorcism, swiper the fox is the devil and the baby jesus needs our money or he'll cry. It sounds like we have finally found one of the mythical 'true' christians in their native habit: scare-mongering kids and bravely defending the lord from the evils of dora and her illegal immigrant rhethoric.
 
2012-11-29 10:04:48 AM
TFA so much reminds me of this...

i76.photobucket.com


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?
 
2012-11-29 10:59:58 AM
My friends' daughter is a Dora The Explorer fanatic and is generally watching it when I come over for dinner or to hang out.  Last time she was watching it I said, "If you ever are hiking and come across a pit full of six giant pythons like Dora just did, you probably shouldn't befriend them."
 
That got the dagger glare.  Three year old's dagger glares cut deep, I tell you what.
 
2012-11-29 11:23:30 AM
To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

"Hehe, what a waste of time."

.Bill, Groundhog Day
 
2012-11-29 11:27:08 AM
Dora the Explorer, exposed? Rule 34 takes another victim.
 
2012-11-29 11:42:20 AM

Mugato: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

"Hehe, what a waste of time."

.Bill, Groundhog Day


I snerked when I read that in the article too. Pratchett-like witch series typing detected...
 
2012-11-29 11:47:22 AM
1 July 2008

People have known about this for 4 years and didn't say anything?!

CSB:

My next door neighbor was really into the Pokemon trading cards. I never really liked them (played Magic myself), but he spent all his money on buying more and more cards. Now, his family was super religious, to the point where the mom home-schooled them to keep them away from the devil that was public school.

Anyway, he comes over one day with this box, and he's just bawling his eyes out. I asked him what's wrong and he says "My sister and I got in a big fight. She went on the internet and found this article proving that Pokemon were a creation by the devil to distract kids from God. My mom is making me give away all my cards!" I asked him what he wanted me to do and he just yells "get rid of them I don't care!" and throws the box down and runs home. Well I took the box, brought it down to the trading card store a few days later and ended up selling the lot for about $700 (this was back when those holo ones could go for $100 each). I was like 12-13 at the time so that was a shiat-ton of money.

Went to his house the next day and handed him $400 in cash and told him to go buy a Playstation 2. I took mine and bought an Xbox. He bought the sports/racing/non-violent games, and I took care of the gory, M-rated games. Worked out well for both of us.

/CSB
 
2012-11-29 11:48:53 AM
I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.
 
2012-11-29 12:03:57 PM
I can only imagine the horror that must be Sesame Street to this rigid scholar...
 
2012-11-29 12:21:11 PM
Sad thing is, I would normally swear an article like that was satire, except that I know for a fact certain evangelicals take it to that level of insanity with total, serious conviction.

When I was a kid, me and my brother had to throw away all of our He-Man and Thundercat toys after our parents were made aware that said shows promote witchcraft. As a rule of thumb (for evangelicals), "witchcraft" was any sort of supernatural power that was explicitly stated as coming from our Lord God.
 
2012-11-29 12:27:43 PM
"Swiper! No swiping" = "The power of Christ compels you!"

Also, I never viewed Dora as sexy until Jessica Alba did this:

assets.flavorwire.com
 
2012-11-29 01:02:25 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Swiper! No swiping" = "The power of Christ compels you!"

Also, I never viewed Dora as sexy until Jessica Alba did this:

[assets.flavorwire.com image 435x580]


So, what you're saying is you'd like to take Boots the Monkey exploring in her cave?
 
2012-11-29 01:09:16 PM
I read the first two paragraphs before I came to the conclusion that TFA has too much time on their hands.
 
2012-11-29 01:36:44 PM

Snarfangel: Dora the Explorer, exposed? Rule 34 takes another victim.


FTA:"Dora and her monkey friend named Boots (who incidentally wears nothing but boots)",

while not technically Dora some of my favorite videos involve characters only wearing boots
 
2012-11-29 01:36:49 PM
I read that as dermatology...


/so she has zits??
 
2012-11-29 01:37:03 PM

Snarfangel: Dora the Explorer, exposed? Rule 34 takes another victim.


Dora was probably Rule 34'd the day she was created. Do your self a favor and do a google image search with safe search off.
 
2012-11-29 01:38:26 PM
Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire.
 
2012-11-29 01:39:13 PM
If anything about this show is evil, it's that Dora suffocates a living map in her backpack.
 
2012-11-29 01:39:17 PM
I read somewhere that Dora is the maid's kid.
 
2012-11-29 01:40:12 PM

kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?


Boy, he really went downhill after recording "Sea Of Love".
 
2012-11-29 01:40:14 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Swiper! No swiping" = "The power of Christ compels you!"

Also, I never viewed Dora as sexy until Jessica Alba did this:

[assets.flavorwire.com image 435x580]


Ditto for Ariel Winter...

/seat over there
 
2012-11-29 01:40:16 PM
So the gist of the article is that a modern make-believe story is like ancient make-believe stories?
 
2012-11-29 01:40:18 PM
thebertshow.com
 
2012-11-29 01:40:49 PM
Man, is this biatch high?
 
2012-11-29 01:41:47 PM
She is just a mule smuggling illegal immigrants across the border.
 
2012-11-29 01:43:13 PM
Swiper isn't a demon he's a bully and a griefer.
Just a dickbag that gets his jollies by messing with folks.
He'll swipe, toss it over the fence and then run off.
 
2012-11-29 01:44:00 PM
Foxes are crafty, sneaky in the real world and in ancient and modern lore.

Satan is crafty, sneaky in the Bible and some would say in the real world.

Author draws obvious parallels.

Why is this even an article?
 
2012-11-29 01:44:08 PM

roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.


you will lose. you will soon be able moving to the rhythm of a little song with only three words, "I'm The Map!
 
2012-11-29 01:44:23 PM
Rain, rain, go away.
Come again some other day and kill them all in Satan's name.
 
2012-11-29 01:44:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 01:46:58 PM
profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2012-11-29 01:48:02 PM
"Can you tell me why my father left me?"

/obscure?
 
2012-11-29 01:48:24 PM
What the fark did I just read?
 
2012-11-29 01:48:28 PM
You were on to something but took it in the wrong direction - religion is a bunch of superstitions that are written for mental 5-yr olds
 
2012-11-29 01:48:50 PM

Wellon Dowd: [thebertshow.com image 261x254]


HAWT!!!!!!


or

"I'D HIT THAT!!!"

/go for the creepiest.
 
2012-11-29 01:48:53 PM
Derper, no derping
Derper, no derping
Derper, no derping
 
2012-11-29 01:50:38 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

you will lose. you will soon be able moving to the rhythm of a little song with only three words, "I'm The Map!


And you will be hypnotized by the wide-eyed stare of Boots the Monkey:

images.hellokids.com 

Those eyes will peer into the very depths of your soul.
 
2012-11-29 01:50:53 PM
What the Buggy Ding-Dong did I just read?
 
2012-11-29 01:51:36 PM
cbssanfran.files.wordpress.com

Tune in for next week's installment...
 
2012-11-29 01:51:51 PM
The first Dora my kids ever watched had her traveling to "High Mountain". It was so obnoxious it has stuck in my brain.

To this day, several years later, whenever my kids ask "Where are we going?" I cannot help myself and I say "High Mountain" in that same voice.
 
2012-11-29 01:51:55 PM
To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 01:52:31 PM
Okay, people, calm down. It was a mildly interesting article about the mythological archetypes that the human psyche has carried with it through the ages, and how that translates to young psychological development. Although the author may or may not be a Christian, fundie, crazy person or all three in combination, it really wasn't much of a religious tract, more of a comparative religious tract.

Dora is annoying because the way the actor voices her it's LIKE SHE'S SHOUTING ALL THE TIME.
 
2012-11-29 01:52:55 PM
To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a strawman for the ficitious bogeyman you've invented.
 
2012-11-29 01:53:05 PM
I'm more concerned about his funny uncle, Toucher. Will a similar incantation work on him?
 
2012-11-29 01:53:25 PM

ChipNASA: I read that as dermatology...


Oh good, I wasn't the only one...
 
2012-11-29 01:55:36 PM
Indeed, the fox is a common symbol for the evil and chaotic presence

You can't explain that!
 
2012-11-29 01:55:52 PM
The American version? Dora's shrill voice is like a drill in my brain. Kill me now. I usually switch the language to Dutch or French. Shows so damn repetitive that kids still can follow it.
 
2012-11-29 01:56:03 PM

Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]


I wish I had actually believed this before pursuing my masters in English.

/thank you for calling the ____ service desk
 
2012-11-29 01:56:35 PM

Gabrin_Kinoda: ChipNASA: I read that as dermatology...


Oh good, I wasn't the only one...


Maybe we should have read it as " DERPatology"
 
2012-11-29 01:57:19 PM
FTFA: If we could get children to treat all such "old enemies" with compassion and understanding, they might indeed understand one of the central tenants of the Christian tradition, unfortunately lost by the most "pious" among us: "Love thy enemy." Then, perhaps, we adults may all learn from our children to do the same to our foes, whether we conceive of them as demonic or not.


Ok. That whole article to close with those two sentences? Was Dora really the vehicle necessary to reach that conclusion?
Methinks said professor may be dealing with a few demons himself.

/Begins to chant: 'Swiper, no Swiping!'
 
2012-11-29 01:57:30 PM

hdhale: Foxes are crafty, sneaky in the real world and in ancient and modern lore.

Satan is crafty, sneaky in the Bible and some would say in the real world.

Author draws obvious parallels.

Why is this even an article?


Welcome to Fark?


TrainingWheelsNeeded: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

you will lose. you will soon be able moving to the rhythm of a little song with only three words, "I'm The Map!


I doubt it as my wife seems to dislike it as much as I do, but I am sure there is some other horrifyingly stupid kids things she will love that I will hate.
 
2012-11-29 01:57:36 PM
I want it to be satire, but let's face it, this is how religion came about in the first place: Overthinking crap until an intricate series of utterly fabricated explanations start to sound more and more plausible as each mental construct reinforces the next in an enless series of "So if X, then Y must be so, and if Y must be so, then..." statements.

And that's how you end up with the devil in Dora. Which also sounds like a great name for a modernized classic porno.
 
2012-11-29 01:58:36 PM
Dennis P. Quinn? Is that this Dennis P. Quinn? I blame this article on his Sociology degree.
 
2012-11-29 01:58:55 PM

roc6783: hdhale: ***snip***
I doubt it as my wife seems to dislike it as much as I do, but I am sure there is some other horrifyingly stupid kids things she will love that I will hate.


By "her", I meant my daughter not my wife.
 
2012-11-29 01:59:24 PM

dr.zaeus: AdolfOliverPanties: "Swiper! No swiping" = "The power of Christ compels you!"

Also, I never viewed Dora as sexy until Jessica Alba did this:

[assets.flavorwire.com image 435x580]

Ditto for Ariel Winter...

/seat over there


Ok...that was awesome
 
2012-11-29 02:00:12 PM
Generally, I don't think the author was taking himself too seriously. He gets to the role of fox imagery in asian religions later in the article and does a simple comparison.

I'm reminded of the conversation between Enoch Root and Randy Waterhouse in Cryptonomicon where Enoch is laying out the difference between Mars and Minerva as representations of human behavior and how all "gods" have analogs in different cultures because they are based on universal aspects of humanity and nature. I'd guess that anywhere an agrarian culture resides within fox habitat, foxes would be perceived negatively as cunning thieves because they can and do prey upon small domesticated animals (poultries, rabbits, etc) in spite of the best efforts to prevent it. They're ability to overcome obstacles that humans put in their way may be viewed as supernatural.
 
2012-11-29 02:01:05 PM
I can't even.
 
2012-11-29 02:01:05 PM
www.cartoonwatcher.com

Go Diablo Go!
 
2012-11-29 02:01:19 PM

The Southern Dandy: So the gist of the article is that a modern make-believe story is like ancient make-believe stories?


Pretty much.

I mean, I suppose it would be interesting enough as a treatise on the recurrence of symbolic figures in mythology and folklore; but as a commentary on kids' cartoons it was pretty f*cking stupid.
 
2012-11-29 02:02:31 PM
And for all you Dora-philes out there, here is a link to NSFW Dora images.  

i.imgur.com 
Greedy King and Ron Jeremy look-a-likes
 
2012-11-29 02:03:30 PM
While watching an episode with my kids one day, it dawned on me: Swiper was being expelled with an incantation to ward off demons. Is Swiper to be understood as a demonic figure?

Time to get teh fine author back on his meds. 

/Or he can wait for Jesus to show up and drive the demons out of his head.
 
2012-11-29 02:06:06 PM
tl;dr
 
2012-11-29 02:06:25 PM
If you have Amazon Prime, you have to watch The Magic Stick episode. The first 3 minutes or so are worthless, but then Dora and Boots find a "magic stick" that they have to tug mightily on to remove from a rock. When they succeed, they are bathed in a white, sparkling light from above. Animals appear and celebrate as both Dora and Boots cling to the stick, and generally fawn over it (it's worth noting that Boots chooses to carry the stick through the entire journey, rather than put the stick safely in Backpack, which is what they generally will do with valuable objects). But wait! The Magic Stick must be allowed to "do it's trick", which can only be accomplished from the "highest hill".

Things proceed normally for another 12-15 minutes, though The Magic Stick proves useful in solving almost any problem for the duo. Finally we reach the end (climax?), where both Dora and Boots insert The Magic Stick into the Highest Hill, which is completely barren. But nothing happens! No, a chant must be recited: at which point the white sparkles again erupt from the top of The Magic Stick, and the Highest Hill is covered in rich greenery and flowers in their wake. Finally, The Magic Stick rises into the air; Dora and Boots grab on, and The Magic Stick flies them around the land. They embrace when they land, so joyous are they, and Dora celebrates by putting one of the flowers created by The Magic Stick in her hair.

And no, I am no exaggerating about any of that.
 
2012-11-29 02:07:00 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

you will lose. you will soon be able moving to the rhythm of a little song with only three words, "I'm The Map!


Not necessarily. My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.
 
2012-11-29 02:10:37 PM

roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.


Here's the thing: As far as kid's shows go, Dora is like middle of the road annoying. It's repetitiveness makes it easy to tune out.

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*
 
2012-11-29 02:11:01 PM

big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.


Is the Daniel Tiger show decent, in the Mister Rogers tradition?
 
2012-11-29 02:11:49 PM
So what you're telling me, is that religion and children's shows have comparable levels of simplicity in their imagery?

Go f*cking figure.

Additionally, three is a pretty magic number in regards to psychologically cementing a concept into a brain with repetition, even for adults. This is quite possibly in the top five dumbest, yet well written, things I've ever read.
 
2012-11-29 02:14:05 PM

roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.


I lasted most of 2 years. I even watched the NEWS in the morning while getting ready for work. Now he's 3 and I have lost the battle and the war. I haven't gotten my morning news and traffic anywhere but AM radio in the car in months. We were reading a book about zoos last night at bedtime and this was his narrative:

"A giraffe! Like Nessa!" (Big Big Friend)
"A horse! Like Galahad!" (Mike the Knight)
"A monkey! Like Boots!"
"A cat! Like Jess!" (Guess with Jess)
"A walrus! Like Octonauts!"

I have failed.
 
2012-11-29 02:14:24 PM
"To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest."

Apparently while training to become a Professor of the History of Christianity they skip the basic English vocabulary classes where you learn the difference between "Context" and "Contest".
 
2012-11-29 02:14:35 PM
Still no word on the implications of the Oompa Loompas from Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.

I still think he summoned and bound them to the property to insure the longevity and prosperity of the business. As he got older, the Oompa Loompa's needed new blood to continue the ritual.

Charlie is now the new "master". His reign will be long and prosperous while Willy's remains and soul are incorporated into a new invention. So he will always be lurking.
 
2012-11-29 02:15:16 PM
To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest. He is an archetypal image of the diabolical fox-spirit in the history of religions. The words to ward him off are similar in pattern to spells or exorcistic formulae used to ward off evil spirits throughout history. And not only may children be learning how best to deal with the demonic, but they're doing so in a very sophisticated way. For Dora does not completely cast out her demon, but rather allows for its redemption.


This, right here, is why people hate on academics. And Christians.
 
2012-11-29 02:17:11 PM

big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.


What? Caillou is a whiny little brat. My daughter can watch Dora any day over that obnoxious kid...
 
2012-11-29 02:17:17 PM

Snarfangel: Dora the Explorer, exposed? Rule 34 takes another victim.


I have to admit that this image:

media.comicvine.com

Did give me pause the first time I saw it. Then I felt rather dirty.
 
2012-11-29 02:17:26 PM
My son (3) usually watches Disney Jr. for his entertainment. We tried Dora one day and quickly switched back to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

/Tries to get him to watch Little Einsteins more then anything
/Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog....
 
2012-11-29 02:17:55 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 02:18:41 PM
www4.picturepush.com

So concludes another session of "Wasting Time With Christians."TM
 
2012-11-29 02:18:45 PM

jayhawk88: Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder


We leave the house at 7:05 - Max and Ruby are on at 7. I make sure to turn the TV off as soon as the credits roll on Bob the Builder. GAWD that show is awful.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:10 PM

jayhawk88: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

Here's the thing: As far as kid's shows go, Dora is like middle of the road annoying. It's repetitiveness makes it easy to tune out.

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*


Stop whining. You still have Adventure Time to look forward to.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.

Is the Daniel Tiger show decent, in the Mister Rogers tradition?


It's animated and the characters are the children of the original puppets. I don't much remember Mr Rodgers but it teaches little life lessons for2-4 y/os. Patience, taking turns, being helpful that sort of thing. It even helped with the potty training.

And it completely shuts her up for a half hour which is nice.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:26 PM

Civchic: "A walrus! Like Octonauts!"


Don't dare knock Octonauts!

/Creature Report
//Creature Report!
 
2012-11-29 02:19:31 PM

Flakeloaf: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a strawman for the ficitious bogeyman you've invented.


When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.
 
2012-11-29 02:23:18 PM
The comments at the end were equally entertaining. I chuckled when I read, "So, Wise Christian Historian, should I let my kids watch it or not?" (paraphrased)
 
2012-11-29 02:23:33 PM
Bleeding Christ.
Another article written by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they are, pointing out half-assed, tenuous links to bad thing du jour from a simple children's show.
Yes, yes. Now tell us how Spongebob and the Smurfs are evil tools to promote the gay agenda and make our kids desire sucking cock.
 
2012-11-29 02:23:38 PM
The theological position that even the Devil and his demons will be saved with the death and resurrection of Christ has gathered dust on the cutting-room floor of early Christian history. The otherwise celebrated Christian theologian Origen of Alexandria, who died in AD 254, held this position. For Origen, the mercy of God extended to all creation. Salvation for all, including the demonic, allows for a view of the world in which no beings should be excluded, thus being more tolerant of even the most extreme differences in the world. I wonder what our history might have looked like if the Western traditions had adopted the concept of the salvation of the Devil. It would certainly have been more difficult for these groups to justify the destruction of "evil doers" in its midst.

Through such portrayals, perhaps children might see that such "demonic" presences are not absolutely evil, but have a value and worth beyond simply being ostracized and counted as "other". We tend to use the power of words today to demonize rather than exorcise. If we could get children to treat all such "old enemies" with compassion and understanding, they might indeed understand one of the central tenants of the Christian tradition, unfortunately lost by the most "pious" among us: "Love thy enemy." Then, perhaps, we adults may all learn from our children to do the same to our foes, whether we conceive of them as demonic or not.


God's mercy extends to all?

CINO. Christian In Name Only. Christianity is only meaningful if most created sentience burns forever, as clearly described in the Bible.
 
2012-11-29 02:25:07 PM

the-meter-man: big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.

What? Caillou is a whiny little brat. My daughter can watch Dora any day over that obnoxious kid...


I like how Caillou's parents shoot him down all the time. More realistic than most kid's shows. He always listens the first time though. I'd like to see him get a time out.
 
2012-11-29 02:25:28 PM
What about this??

wizard.gamebanana.com 

i405.photobucket.com  

images.wehaslinks.com
 
2012-11-29 02:25:44 PM

defl8ed: "To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest."

Apparently while training to become a Professor of the History of Christianity they skip the basic English vocabulary classes where you learn the difference between "Context" and "Contest".


Also between "tenet" and "tenant". What a scholar... pfffft

/dnrtfa
 
2012-11-29 02:27:07 PM

ReverendJasen: Yes, yes. Now tell us how Spongebob and the Smurfs are evil tools to promote the gay agenda and make our kids desire sucking cock.


Well the Smurfs are pretty much a sausage fest. They can run a train on Smurfett but she can only handle so much.
 
2012-11-29 02:29:53 PM
Any media anywhere ever that has anthropomorphized animals is utilizing animism to do so.
 
2012-11-29 02:31:22 PM
The author is brilliant. Essentially they have manged to compose a long essay based on their drug induced ramblings but by basing it on religous undertones nobody is calling them on being a pothead.
 
2012-11-29 02:31:53 PM

Wellon Dowd: [thebertshow.com image 261x254]


*lots of gunfire, Dora hides behind a crate and puts Backpack on the ground.*

"Hola Dora! Soy Backpack! ?What would you like?"

"A MIRACLE FOR A START!"
 
2012-11-29 02:32:09 PM

Civchic: jayhawk88: Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder

We leave the house at 7:05 - Max and Ruby are on at 7. I make sure to turn the TV off as soon as the credits roll on Bob the Builder. GAWD that show is awful.


I seriously want to find a Ruby doll and light it on fire. She's like the cartoon version of Martha Stewart, or perhaps more to the point, the character Martha Stewart plays on TV.
 
2012-11-29 02:33:13 PM
Dora? What a farking dyke.

And that poor teletubby got all the abuse.
 
2012-11-29 02:33:56 PM

kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?


Oh god. It's that book.
 
2012-11-29 02:37:58 PM
They have obviously not seen the demon that is unleashed when I tell my 5 year old she can't watch another episode of Dora.
 
2012-11-29 02:40:08 PM

ChipNASA: What about this??

[wizard.gamebanana.com image 186x186] 

[i405.photobucket.com image 300x220]  

[images.wehaslinks.com image 320x200]


I laughed at these far more than I should have.
 
2012-11-29 02:42:58 PM

Mock26: She is just a mule smuggling illegal immigrants across the border.


Hmmm she is...

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-11-29 02:43:13 PM
I don't understand parents who put their kinds in front of Dora when there's actually good children's TV out there (My Little Pony, Olivia, Phineas and Ferb are all rather good).
 
2012-11-29 02:45:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: 1 July 2008

People have known about this for 4 years and didn't say anything?!

CSB:

My next door neighbor was really into the Pokemon trading cards. I never really liked them (played Magic myself), but he spent all his money on buying more and more cards. Now, his family was super religious, to the point where the mom home-schooled them to keep them away from the devil that was public school.

Anyway, he comes over one day with this box, and he's just bawling his eyes out. I asked him what's wrong and he says "My sister and I got in a big fight. She went on the internet and found this article proving that Pokemon were a creation by the devil to distract kids from God. My mom is making me give away all my cards!" I asked him what he wanted me to do and he just yells "get rid of them I don't care!" and throws the box down and runs home. Well I took the box, brought it down to the trading card store a few days later and ended up selling the lot for about $700 (this was back when those holo ones could go for $100 each). I was like 12-13 at the time so that was a shiat-ton of money.

Went to his house the next day and handed him $400 in cash and told him to go buy a Playstation 2. I took mine and bought an Xbox. He bought the sports/racing/non-violent games, and I took care of the gory, M-rated games. Worked out well for both of us.

/CSB


1) Awesome story. Too many on Fark would have kept the entire $700.
2) Your name has that song stuck in my head, particularly the start (... that Fiona and me do it in my van every Sunday; she tells him she's in church but she doesn't go still she's on her knees...) because of the mention of church in the story.
 
2012-11-29 02:50:25 PM

meanmutton: Phineas and Ferb


I try to get my son into Phineas and Ferb, but he just isn't old enough yet to enjoy it I guess (he gets angry when it comes on because that signals the end of the Disney Jr. Block, and no more Jake or Mickey).

He does find the original Looney Tunes hilarious though...makes me proud.

/He would also sit down with me and watch Batman: The Animated Series reruns on The Hub
 
2012-11-29 02:54:10 PM
The author of the article spent wa-a-a-a-y more time considering the ramifications, origin, motivations and metaphysical ramifications of Swiper than the people who created the character. You'd think that "hidden demonology" would require someone to be hiding it.

FTA: "We've had this discussion with advisors who wanted us to get into the motivation behind Swiper's bad behavior. We decided that it's cleaner without it. Similar to villains in fairy tales, we don't get into the why."
 
2012-11-29 02:54:30 PM

Mugato: ReverendJasen: Yes, yes. Now tell us how Spongebob and the Smurfs are evil tools to promote the gay agenda and make our kids desire sucking cock.

Well the Smurfs are pretty much a sausage fest. They can run a train on Smurfett but she can only handle so much.


Well smurf you too! Smurfette smurfs a mighty smurfjob
 
2012-11-29 02:54:43 PM
One of my sons is now 10, and still has a large Dora doll that hangs out in his room. Which he will promptly use as a weapon if anyone disses her. And he really likes girls with the same features, dark hair, olive skin, brown eyes. I'm thinking there's going to be a little Latina diversity in my family tree in a few years. Does this mean the baby Jebus is going to cry?
 
2012-11-29 02:55:54 PM

meanmutton: I don't understand parents who put their kinds in front of Dora when there's actually good children's TV out there (My Little Pony, Olivia, Phineas and Ferb are all rather good).


Yeah, isn't Dora for, like, 2 or 3-year-olds, while Ponies and Phineas and Ferb are for an older audience (say, 6+)?
 
2012-11-29 02:57:46 PM

cherryl taggart: One of my sons is now 10, and still has a large Dora doll that hangs out in his room. Which he will promptly use as a weapon if anyone disses her. And he really likes girls with the same features, dark hair, olive skin, brown eyes. I'm thinking there's going to be a little Latina diversity in my family tree in a few years. Does this mean the baby Jebus is going to cry?


...and the insidious plot behind Dora the Explorer is revealed at last.

THEY TRYNNA TAKE OUR WHITE MIN!

/Take me, Latinas. TAKE ME!
 
2012-11-29 02:58:35 PM

cherryl taggart: One of my sons is now 10, and still has a large Dora doll that hangs out in his room. Which he will promptly use as a weapon if anyone disses her. And he really likes girls with the same features, dark hair, olive skin, brown eyes. I'm thinking there's going to be a little Latina diversity in my family tree in a few years. Does this mean the baby Jebus is going to cry?


You should get him a Dora piñata and convert it into Murderface for him:

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

/both hot
 
2012-11-29 02:58:59 PM

Burr: He does find the original Looney Tunes hilarious though...makes me proud.


Our kids are on the same wavelength. Looney Toons is just awesome, hands down. But yeah, Phineas and Ferb he's not into yet. I do like that one show (Little Einsteins?) where they have to "pat pat pat pat" their knees to get their rocketship to fly. They play some cool classical music on that one.

I HATE Mike the Knight. Caillou may be whiny but Mike is a little jerk.
 
2012-11-29 02:59:40 PM
All too often, cartoonists and writers of childrens' fiction try to sneak occult references into their work in an attempt to indoctrinate our children into non-Christian lifestyles that are contrary to His teachings. These demonic influences can be so subtle that I often don't even recognize them immediately myself.
Luckily, my neighbor's dog usually tells me which books and cartoons are ok.
 
2012-11-29 03:03:48 PM

FirstNationalBastard: big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.

Is the Daniel Tiger show decent, in the Mister Rogers tradition?


Yes. It's an excellent show and done with an astonishing dedication to Fred Rogers and his vision. The show was created by the same woman as Blues Clues and the Fred Rogers Company. Kids love it.
 
2012-11-29 03:08:13 PM
I think more people should be talking about the creepy premise behind Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

Each episode, a problem presents itself in the first 5 minutes, and then they have to do a chant and dance to A) call Toodles to appear and B) activate the mousekedoer. The mousekedoer gives them 3 random objects and one mystery object to be used during the episode, which they can access by calling for Toodles and saying which they want. Then, when they can't climb a wall or something, they call for the giant blocks from Toodles and make stairs.

What this means is that the mousekedoer's omniscient and can see what obstacles they will encounter, so the show opens with them chanting to activate the all-knowing machine. Secondarily, Toodles is a weird side-kick to the god machine and can create anything from bologna sandwiches to an elephant, acting like the entity that manifests the will of the mousekedoer. It's just weird.

when you have to watch the same episode 20 times, you find something else to think about.
 
2012-11-29 03:08:46 PM

ChipNASA: What about this??

[wizard.gamebanana.com image 186x186] 

[i405.photobucket.com image 300x220]  

[images.wehaslinks.com image 320x200]


is it a direct flight to hell for laughing at that or do i get a lay over in purgatory to think about why i'm going to hell for laughing at that?
 
2012-11-29 03:14:02 PM
seriewikin.serieframjandet.se
 
2012-11-29 03:19:06 PM

Famous Thamas: Dora was probably Rule 34'd the day she was created. Do your self a favor and do a google image search with safe search off.


CSB: That was how my wife learned of the existence of Rule 34. She makes Velcro cards for our autistic daughter to use to choose things, like shows, and she's a fan of Dora, so Mrs. Anomaly GIS's Dora the Explorer, ... what has been seen cannot be unseen apparently.
 
2012-11-29 03:19:37 PM

inner ted: ChipNASA: What about this??

[wizard.gamebanana.com image 186x186] 

[i405.photobucket.com image 300x220]  

[images.wehaslinks.com image 320x200]

is it a direct flight to hell for laughing at that or do i get a lay over in purgatory to think about why i'm going to hell for laughing at that?


The call the cops one makes me crack up every time. Amazes me who actually watches these shows and goes - OOOOO - stop it right there.... back it up.... yeah right there.... WTF!?!?!

Hilarious.
 
2012-11-29 03:19:53 PM
This is not my theory, but I haven't seen it pointed out yet that Dora is obviously a drug mule for the Mexican cartels. C'mon she's armed with a map and a backpack. Swiper obviously represents the border patrol.
 
2012-11-29 03:23:37 PM
People who believe that magic is real are entertaining. I think I laughed out loud 3 times while reading that article.

How can adults seriously buy into crap like incantations and demonic possessions.

/Of course they are not entertaining when they are trying to make laws based on magic :(.
 
2012-11-29 03:25:39 PM
That merited a "Scary" tag? Subby, if you're male, please hand in your "man card". You may be eligable for its return if you manage to do a stint patrolling roads in Afghanistan, but don't count on it.
 
2012-11-29 03:25:58 PM

MacWizard: The author of the article spent wa-a-a-a-y more time considering the ramifications, origin, motivations and metaphysical ramifications of Swiper than the people who created the character. You'd think that "hidden demonology" would require someone to be hiding it.

FTA: "We've had this discussion with advisors who wanted us to get into the motivation behind Swiper's bad behavior. We decided that it's cleaner without it. Similar to villains in fairy tales, we don't get into the why."


The redemption themes are definitely there. Possibly even Christian ones: TFA doesn't mention the Xmas special, but the entire plot is that Swiper swipes on Christmas Eve, earning himself a place on Santa's Naughty List. Dora and Boots take Swiper on adventures mandated by Santa as a prerequisite for Swiper's removal from said list. They visit Christmases past, present and future using a time-traveling cloak they get from Grumpy Old Troll.

/Spoiler: Swiper sees the pain his swiping causes the others and agrees not to swipe on Christmas
//Interesting: In the future (when they're all "big kids"), nobody has any nice things. The incantation of "Swiper, no swiping" (which Present!Swiper invokes against his own future self) doesn't work anymore, explicitly because once Swiper got on the Naughty List he didn't care anymore.
 
2012-11-29 03:26:51 PM
There used to be a Dennis P. Quinn at Georgetown. This couldn't be him, could it? Bizarre.
 
2012-11-29 03:27:34 PM

Keeve: This is not my theory, but I haven't seen it pointed out yet that Dora is obviously a drug mule for the Mexican cartels. C'mon she's armed with a map and a backpack. Swiper obviously represents the border patrol.


Just like how the woman from "Murder She Wrote" is obviously a serial killer who is an absolute master at framing other people for her crimes.

How else could she happen upon a new corpse every episode??
 
2012-11-29 03:27:41 PM

Farking Canuck: People who believe that magic is real are entertaining. I think I laughed out loud 3 times while reading that article.

How can adults seriously buy into crap like incantations and demonic possessions.

/Of course they are not entertaining when they are trying to make laws based on magic :(.


TFA works fine as a comparative-religion study. Even if one doesn't personally believe in magic the mythical influences are plain to see, and interesting.

/3 is a magic number
//atheist, materialist
 
2012-11-29 03:27:46 PM

jonny_q: When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.


This. I'm a militant teapot spotter, and this article was worth reading. It's not a fundie rant. Indeed, I think it could be used to troll fundies. The only trollicious thing about it is the title. But then the point of a title is to get people to read the article.

Guys, If you're offended by this article, read it again, slower this time.
 
2012-11-29 03:29:08 PM

cherryl taggart: One of my sons is now 10, and still has a large Dora doll that hangs out in his room. Which he will promptly use as a weapon if anyone disses her. And he really likes girls with the same features, dark hair, olive skin, brown eyes. I'm thinking there's going to be a little Latina diversity in my family tree in a few years. Does this mean the baby Jebus is going to cry?


Ain't nothing with a Mexican dish or two
 
2012-11-29 03:29:51 PM
While watching an episode with my kids one day, it dawned on me: Swiper was being expelled with an incantation to ward off demons. Is Swiper to be understood as a demonic figure?

i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 03:33:00 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

Hmph! Hmph! Hmph!
 
2012-11-29 03:33:03 PM
kid_icarus: Sad thing is, I would normally swear an article like that was satire, except that I know for a fact certain evangelicals take it to that level of insanity with total, serious conviction.

When I was a kid, me and my brother had to throw away all of our He-Man and Thundercat toys after our parents were made aware that said shows promote witchcraft. As a rule of thumb (for evangelicals), "witchcraft" was any sort of supernatural power that was explicitly stated as coming from our Lord God.


I think you meant "any sort of supernatural power that was explicitly stated as not coming from our Lord God".
 
2012-11-29 03:33:46 PM
What a Bunch of Bullshiat. Demonology? This is so retarded.
 
2012-11-29 03:35:28 PM

bubo_sibiricus: jonny_q: When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.

This. I'm a militant teapot spotter, and this article was worth reading. It's not a fundie rant. Indeed, I think it could be used to troll fundies. The only trollicious thing about it is the title. But then the point of a title is to get people to read the article.

Guys, If you're offended by this article, read it again, slower this time.


This. Makes you wonder if the geniuses commenting on it actually read the piece or went all spittle spraying based on the headline.
 
2012-11-29 03:35:43 PM
this deceptive nature made the fox a logical form for the devil to take on earth. In fact, for medieval Europeans, the fox was a common symbol for the devil himself.

So, Fox News is both deceptive and demonic.
 
2012-11-29 03:36:00 PM
OK, thanks, Quinn. Now, do you have the balls to explain Tanuki?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-29 03:38:13 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Snarfangel: Dora the Explorer, exposed? Rule 34 takes another victim.

I have to admit that this image:

[media.comicvine.com image 300x418]

Did give me pause the first time I saw it. Then I felt rather dirty.


I've always thought that Tera Patrick would have been perfect for a pron version...
/I'll leave you folks to figure out Boots and all...
 
2012-11-29 03:39:05 PM

Latinwolf: kid_icarus: Sad thing is, I would normally swear an article like that was satire, except that I know for a fact certain evangelicals take it to that level of insanity with total, serious conviction.

When I was a kid, me and my brother had to throw away all of our He-Man and Thundercat toys after our parents were made aware that said shows promote witchcraft. As a rule of thumb (for evangelicals), "witchcraft" was any sort of supernatural power that was explicitly stated as coming from our Lord God.

I think you meant "any sort of supernatural power that was explicitly stated as not coming from our Lord God".


Yup...I need to use all the words.
 
2012-11-29 03:39:25 PM
Pretty easy to pick out who didn't read the article. There's no herp-a-derp fundy stuff in there. It's actually halfway interesting, and the author even admits it may not be conscious intent to do anything with "demons." Not seeing any, "OMG DORA IS CAVORTING WITH DEMONS MAKE UR CHILDREN STOP"
 
2012-11-29 03:39:37 PM
I'll admit my eyes glazed over half way through that article, but my first thought "Well ya, it's a spin off of Old Man Coyote... what's the big deal?"

Then I remembered its a Christian History prof....
 
2012-11-29 03:48:22 PM

Civchic: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

I lasted most of 2 years. I even watched the NEWS in the morning while getting ready for work. Now he's 3 and I have lost the battle and the war. I haven't gotten my morning news and traffic anywhere but AM radio in the car in months. We were reading a book about zoos last night at bedtime and this was his narrative:

"A giraffe! Like Nessa!" (Big Big Friend)
"A horse! Like Galahad!" (Mike the Knight)
"A monkey! Like Boots!"
"A cat! Like Jess!" (Guess with Jess)
"A walrus! Like Octonauts!"

I have failed.


Um.....maybe some TV sabotage is what's needed.

Seriously, I'm not kidding.

KILL that thing as fast as you can.

Lock it out with the remote, cut the wire, anything at all but do something.

That's.....ugly :(
 
2012-11-29 03:49:18 PM

theorellior: Okay, people, calm down. It was a mildly interesting article about the mythological archetypes that the human psyche has carried with it through the ages, and how that translates to young psychological development. Although the author may or may not be a Christian, fundie, crazy person or all three in combination, it really wasn't much of a religious tract, more of a comparative religious tract.

Dora is annoying because the way the actor voices her it's LIKE SHE'S SHOUTING ALL THE TIME.


THIS
 
2012-11-29 03:50:46 PM

kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?


Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-11-29 03:53:07 PM

FitzShivering: Pretty easy to pick out who didn't read the article. There's no herp-a-derp fundy stuff in there. It's actually halfway interesting, and the author even admits it may not be conscious intent to do anything with "demons." Not seeing any, "OMG DORA IS CAVORTING WITH DEMONS MAKE UR CHILDREN STOP"


But the author is the one who made the jump from "innocent cartoon" to "is that fox a DEMON?"

People with minds that aren't full of superstitious crap like "fox-demons" don't do things like that.

Oh, there's a rich historical tradition of foxes being seen as demonic? You mean from times when people were even dumber than they are today? THIS MUST MEAN SOMETHING.
 
2012-11-29 03:53:32 PM

theorellior: Okay, people, calm down. It was a mildly interesting article about the mythological archetypes that the human psyche has carried with it through the ages, and how that translates to young psychological development. Although the author may or may not be a Christian, fundie, crazy person or all three in combination, it really wasn't much of a religious tract, more of a comparative religious tract.

Dora is annoying because the way the actor voices her it's LIKE SHE'S SHOUTING ALL THE TIME.


CAN YOU HELP DORA FIND HER INSIDE VOICE?

.
.
.
.
.
.

GREAT!

/ two-year-old son loves that show
// Find myself humming "I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the MAP!" more that I'd like
 
2012-11-29 03:54:12 PM
I cringe every time Lil Bee watches Dora. Seriously, Bubble Guppies is the only cartoon I can tolerate (and it's not on nearly enough, very funny).
 
2012-11-29 03:55:01 PM

omelete: // Find myself humming "I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the MAP!" more that I'd like


I'm always yelling "WE GET IT, YOU'RE THE MAP, SHUT THE FARK UP!"
 
2012-11-29 03:57:13 PM

ReverendJasen: Bleeding Christ.
Another article written by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they are, pointing out half-assed, tenuous links to bad thing du jour from a simple children's show.
Yes, yes. Now tell us how Spongebob and the Smurfs are evil tools to promote the gay agenda and make our kids desire sucking cock.


Well, They're godless Communists... and they do have a disproportionate male to female ratio.
 
2012-11-29 03:58:51 PM

MBooda: OK, thanks, Quinn. Now, do you have the balls to explain Tanuki?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


captionsearch.com
 
2012-11-29 03:58:55 PM
TFA: Indeed, children become empowered by Dora the Explorer. Children are asked to memorize directions and repeat phrases, often at disarming decibels-watching Dora's adventures rarely coincides with quiet time.

I couldn't get to the real crazy because I got distracted by this part. Either she has a different response to yelling kids than I do, or she doesn't know what disarming means.
 
2012-11-29 03:59:21 PM
Ok so the article was drawing similes between mythology buy using a children's program...

I need some stronger drugs before I'm even going to go there, also:

Swiper, stop swiping!
 
2012-11-29 03:59:55 PM

kumanoki: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x280]

Hmph! Hmph! Hmph!


kumanoki: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x280]

Hmph! Hmph! Hmph!


he's not so tough around

images4.wikia.nocookie.net



DEATHBEAR
 
2012-11-29 04:00:09 PM

Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?

Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


This one is a gem, too:
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-11-29 04:02:53 PM
Calliou and Max and Ruby make watching Dora a cakewalk.

/Yo Gabba Gabba has awesome musical guests.
 
2012-11-29 04:05:01 PM
I think the fact that you can easily map the plot points and themes of a saturday morning cartoon to Christian mythology is probably more revealing regarding the origins of Christian mythology than it is indicative of anything particularly interesting regarding the cartoon.
 
2012-11-29 04:09:20 PM

the-meter-man: big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.

What? Caillou is a whiny little brat. My daughter can watch Dora any day over that obnoxious kid...


My MIL is a retired preschool teacher and she could always tell who watched Caillou and who didn't by their whiny-ness.

[CSB]
The woman who invented Caillou (The real 18months old baby, not the 4 year old that Cookie Jar Entertainment turned him into) used to teach me arts&crafts in the late 70s.
[/CSB]
 
2012-11-29 04:09:59 PM
Several years ago, my parents bought one of the granddaughters a pink plastic battery-driven Dora the Explorer "Rainforest Rescue" all-terrain vehicle, probabaly from Walmart. I felt that gift sort of sent a mixed message.
 
2012-11-29 04:10:08 PM
My oldest is 26, my youngest 9. Just the name Dora will have that blasted map song in my head!! But don't get me started on the impossibility of EVER getting the Wiggles to leave....
 
2012-11-29 04:10:18 PM

FitzShivering: Pretty easy to pick out who didn't read the article. There's no herp-a-derp fundy stuff in there. It's actually halfway interesting, and the author even admits it may not be conscious intent to do anything with "demons." Not seeing any, "OMG DORA IS CAVORTING WITH DEMONS MAKE UR CHILDREN STOP"


While what you say is absolutely true, and in the end the point is "be nice and forgive everybody", the author did a pretty good job of burying his lead, and the headline didn't help. Of course, that alone should have tipped people off. Or maybe people haven't read enough real "herp-a-derp fundy stuff". Those kind of articles generally start with their alarmist crazy proposition and then go to the crazy supporting points. If this were that kind of article it would have been more like:
"Children's show "Dora" during is teaching toddlers to cavort with demons. 1. Dora practices magic incantations by..." etc. etc.
 
2012-11-29 04:13:16 PM

ChipNASA: What about this??

[wizard.gamebanana.com image 186x186] 

[i405.photobucket.com image 300x220]  

[images.wehaslinks.com image 320x200]


You people used to get a complimentary vacation for posting those...
 
2012-11-29 04:15:00 PM

omelete: // Find myself humming "I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the MAP!" more that I'd like


Every episode of dora ends the same way at our house:

Dora: What was you favorite part?
Me: When Boots bit the heads off the baby birds and we called Tico a wetback.
Dora: I liked that too.
 
2012-11-29 04:16:51 PM

Flab: ChipNASA: What about this??

[wizard.gamebanana.com image 186x186] 

[i405.photobucket.com image 300x220]  

[images.wehaslinks.com image 320x200]

You know people used to get a complimentary vacation for posting those...


/FTFM.
 
2012-11-29 04:17:10 PM

megarian: Calliou and Max and Ruby make watching Dora a cakewalk.

/Yo Gabba Gabba has awesome musical guests.


The wife just bought tickets to their live show here in Atlanta, which should be crazy.
 
2012-11-29 04:18:10 PM
Elmer Fudd used to blast Daffy's duckbill right off his head at point blank range with a (sawed-off?) shotgun when I was a kid. So far it has only resulted in two mass-murder sprees by yours truly. I'd say the collateral damage is well within the acceptable limits.
 
2012-11-29 04:18:33 PM

Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?

Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


I don't remember exactly, but our church showed some video similar to that that "exposed" the demonic reality of rock n' roll. The video, being a bit outdated (much like the middle-aged church people screening it) featured heavy metal from the 80s (we were into the 90s by this point).
 
2012-11-29 04:21:35 PM

QueenMamaBee: omelete: // Find myself humming "I'm the map, I'm the map, I'm the MAP!" more that I'd like

I'm always yelling "WE GET IT, YOU'RE THE MAP, SHUT THE FARK UP!"


"Who do we ask for help when we don't know which way to go?"
"Google!"
 
2012-11-29 04:22:22 PM

mikerott: Elmer Fudd used to blast Daffy's duckbill right off his head at point blank range with a (sawed-off?) shotgun when I was a kid. So far it has only resulted in two mass-murder sprees by yours truly. I'd say the collateral damage is well within the acceptable limits.


Let's not forget the epidemic of kids injured and killed when their siblings dropped anvils on them.
 
2012-11-29 04:26:41 PM

kid_icarus: Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?

Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

I don't remember exactly, but our church showed some video similar to that that "exposed" the demonic reality of rock n' roll. The video, being a bit outdated (much like the middle-aged church people screening it) featured heavy metal from the 80s (we were into the 90s by this point).


I bet it was the same one. That video, they drug out some of the most inane, underground crap and said "Look how evil it is!!!" Then pointed to crap like Prince and Whitney Houston and said, "Look they're using sex to sell records...that's evil too!"

I mean, have you ever really heard or listened to Diamanda Galas, Nina Hagen, Spooky Tooth, Ludichrist, Celtic Frost, or Christian Death? (the latter few painfully obviously formed to give morons like that a heart attack anyway)

Granted, they still had classics like AC/DC, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Venom, etc. too, but come on.
I used to watch the video for the soundtrack. Is that bad?
 
2012-11-29 04:28:49 PM

Kittypie070: A cat! Like Jess!" (Guess with Jess)
"A walrus! Like Octonauts!"

I have failed.

Um.....maybe some TV sabotage is what's needed.

Seriously, I'm not kidding.

KILL that thing as fast as you can.

Lock it out with the remote, cut the wire, anything at all but do something.

That's.....ugly :(


Believe it or not we only turn on Treehouse for an hour in the mornings while we get ready to go to work/daycare, and occasionally a half hour before bath. The kid has a freakish memory.
 
2012-11-29 04:36:39 PM

jonny_q: Flakeloaf: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a strawman for the ficitious bogeyman you've invented.

When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.


The argument asserts the correctness of Christian dogma, presumes the existence of demons, then declares a Dora character to be representative of the tradition in which demons have historically been portrayed in works of mythology. A disbelief in demons reduces the article to "In the history of human storytelling, there have been many bad guys. Swiper is one of them."
 
2012-11-29 04:37:21 PM

jayhawk88: roc6783: ***snip***

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*


My wife was a nanny for 3 kids before we decided to have our own, and the one she couldn't stand was Wonderpets.

//Also, from the DVDs that the kids she watched, I found out that George Carlin narrated the Thomas the Train shows. Confused the hell out of me when I was at their house while it was playing in the background. I did one of those, "Is that...no...but it really sound like him...no it can't be...yep, it totally is him."
 
2012-11-29 04:44:53 PM

kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?


Holy sh*t I haven't seen that in so long. Memories flooding back...

/ Stupid born again parents
 
2012-11-29 04:46:18 PM
Today I learned where the phrase "Swiper no swiping!" came from.

/ My kid was too old to watch Dora.
// I sure know a helluva lot about Pokemon, though.
 
2012-11-29 04:46:40 PM

roc6783: jayhawk88: roc6783: ***snip***

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*

My wife was a nanny for 3 kids before we decided to have our own, and the one she couldn't stand was Wonderpets.

//Also, from the DVDs that the kids she watched, I found out that George Carlin narrated the Thomas the Train shows. Confused the hell out of me when I was at their house while it was playing in the background. I did one of those, "Is that...no...but it really sound like him...no it can't be...yep, it totally is him."


Eh, to each their own. When my kids were that age, "Wonderpets" was my favorite amongst the shows of that ilk.
 
2012-11-29 04:47:17 PM
For those that didn't read the article, it was a fairly light-hearted exploration of the mythological background of the demonic or trickster fox character, and speculations on the morality presented in the show.

I thought it was, like many such explorations, taking things a bit too deep. But it was still entertaining and thoughtful. If you couldn't make it to the end, the author's ending point was that in Dora the Explorer, even the archetypal "bad" characters get a second chance and are seen somewhat sympathetically. He compares this to the early christianity taught by Origen and the biblical imperative of loving even one's enemies, and points out that modern christians might make a better world and a better life if they took those simple morals more seriously.

It wasn't some clueless fundie screaming about demons and claiming that kids' shows and pop culture are going to put our children on a path to hell.

The comments, however, are comedy gold, a heady mix of arrogance and idiocy. About a third of them are the clueless and paranoid christians who didn't even understand the author's point, but go on bashing kids' shows and pop culture and Disney, and generally make a laughingstock out of themselves and their fellow christians. Another third or so are arrogant smart asses who ALSO didn't read the article, and assume it really was about kids' shows being evil (much like many of you farkers).

I thought it was a fun read with a good message...which of course on the internet, means it's just more fodder to be thoughtlessly mocked by clueless dumbasses of all kinds and beliefs, who can't even be bothered to read for five minutes before they open their idiot-holes.
 
2012-11-29 04:47:24 PM

Flakeloaf: jonny_q: Flakeloaf: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a strawman for the ficitious bogeyman you've invented.

When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.

The argument asserts the correctness of Christian dogma, presumes the existence of demons, then declares a Dora character to be representative of the tradition in which demons have historically been portrayed in works of mythology. A disbelief in demons reduces the article to "In the history of human storytelling, there have been many bad guys. Swiper is one of them."


"In the history of human storytelling, foxes have been pricks."
 
2012-11-29 04:49:09 PM
 
2012-11-29 04:54:58 PM
it doesn't even rhyme
 
2012-11-29 04:59:50 PM

bubo_sibiricus: jonny_q: When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.

This. I'm a militant teapot spotter, and this article was worth reading. It's not a fundie rant. Indeed, I think it could be used to troll fundies. The only trollicious thing about it is the title. But then the point of a title is to get people to read the article.

Guys, If you're offended by this article, read it again, slower this time.


The comments were my favorite part.....much like the comments here, there was just so much cluelessness, from both the christians and the chrisitian bashers.

/Atheist. Thought the article was kind of cool, and wouldn't mind if more christians (and non-christians) were as thoughtful as the writer.
 
2012-11-29 05:02:48 PM

rufus-t-firefly: this deceptive nature made the fox a logical form for the devil to take on earth. In fact, for medieval Europeans, the fox was a common symbol for the devil himself.

So, Fox News is both deceptive and demonic.


Did you steal that from the comments at the article, or was that you trolling?
 
2012-11-29 05:03:46 PM

roc6783: jayhawk88: roc6783: ***snip***

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*

My wife was a nanny for 3 kids before we decided to have our own, and the one she couldn't stand was Wonderpets.

//Also, from the DVDs that the kids she watched, I found out that George Carlin narrated the Thomas the Train shows. Confused the hell out of me when I was at their house while it was playing in the background. I did one of those, "Is that...no...but it really sound like him...no it can't be...yep, it totally is him."


He even referenced it in a bit on one of his albums.

Something about how kids suck or aren't special, and he topped it with "And I'm Mr. Conductor. I should know".
 
2012-11-29 05:07:07 PM

dr.zaeus: megarian: Calliou and Max and Ruby make watching Dora a cakewalk.

/Yo Gabba Gabba has awesome musical guests.

The wife just bought tickets to their live show here in Atlanta, which should be crazy.


I've been to more than my share of rock concerts... I'd definitely be down for a Yo Gabba Gabba mosh pit.
 
2012-11-29 05:08:32 PM

Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?

Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


My condolences. Did they ever become sane?

I have cool parents who are still sane. But my best friend's mom wouldn't let him come over any more after she found out I had a Parker Bros Ouija board. Although she still let me spend the weekend at their place, where we went to church on Sunday. Lol, I wonder if she realizes how much help she provided on my journey to non-belief.
 
2012-11-29 05:12:54 PM
gallery.burrowowl.net
 
2012-11-29 05:14:02 PM
Put me on the list that would like to make Caillou watch me disembowel both of his parents before setting him on fire.
 
2012-11-29 05:16:34 PM

Civchic: roc6783: ***snip***

We were reading a book about zoos last night at bedtime and this was his narrative:

"A giraffe! Like Nessa!" (Big Big Friend)
"A horse! Like Galahad!" (Mike the Knight)
"A monkey! Like Boots!"
"A cat! Like Jess!" (Guess with Jess)
"A walrus! Like Octonauts!"

I have failed.


Haha, my only saving grace is that baseball and football can hold her attention for about 5 minutes, but she won't watch anything longer than 30 seconds. I am hoping that I can just keep working on the sports and minimize the other stuff.
 
2012-11-29 05:23:27 PM

Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]


Yeah, let's not group "Christian History" along with the likes of sociology, psychology and actual world history, k?

/A liberal education still provides better opportunities than a fundamentalist christian education.
//Liberal arts major; happily employed.
 
2012-11-29 05:27:14 PM

johnnyq: roc6783: jayhawk88: roc6783: ***snip***

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*

My wife was a nanny for 3 kids before we decided to have our own, and the one she couldn't stand was Wonderpets.

//Also, from the DVDs that the kids she watched, I found out that George Carlin narrated the Thomas the Train shows. Confused the hell out of me when I was at their house while it was playing in the background. I did one of those, "Is that...no...but it really sound like him...no it can't be...yep, it totally is him."

Eh, to each their own. When my kids were that age, "Wonderpets" was my favorite amongst the shows of that ilk.


Yes, I loved Wonderpets. Then my daughter moved on to Phineas and Ferb, which I liked even more. But now she's almost 10 and hooked on "Jessie." Oh well.
 
2012-11-29 05:28:22 PM

Raug the Dwarf:

I mean, have you ever really heard or listened to Diamanda Galas, Nina Hagen, Spooky Tooth, Ludichrist, Celtic Frost, or Christian Death? (the latter few painfully obviously formed to give morons like that a heart attack anyway)


Yes. Celtic Frost, in particular, is classic, canonical extreme/progressive metal. At least as influential as Venom, musically, if not (pop-)culturally....
 
2012-11-29 05:30:17 PM

jayhawk88: Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*


Max and Ruby is horrid. Ruby treats little brother Max like he's mentaly challenged, but he saves her biatchy ass episode after episode. And she's bossy and pretentous.

For mindlessness, I like Wow Wow Wubzy. I totally hate Yo Gabba Gabba. The catchy tunes from The Fresh Beat Band are impossible to dislodge no matter how much Tequilla I drink.

/have a 3-yo granddaughter who likes Dora.
 
2012-11-29 05:32:30 PM

The Muthaship: Put me on the list that would like to make Caillou watch me disembowel both of his parents before setting him on fire.


^^This this-ity this this ^^

Mrs Mauled is a nanny, and she would gladly supply the gasoline.

also

Where are we going?? *clap* *clap* *clap*

TO GO SAVE BOOTS
 
2012-11-29 05:33:20 PM

Dee Snarl: Raug the Dwarf:

I mean, have you ever really heard or listened to Diamanda Galas, Nina Hagen, Spooky Tooth, Ludichrist, Celtic Frost, or Christian Death? (the latter few painfully obviously formed to give morons like that a heart attack anyway)


Yes. Celtic Frost, in particular, is classic, canonical extreme/progressive metal. At least as influential as Venom, musically, if not (pop-)culturally....


I'm sure. But the point was they didn't have a big following. The guys in the video had to dig deep to find the most outrageous stuff they could find.
 
2012-11-29 05:35:12 PM

Eshman: Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]

Yeah, let's not group "Christian History" along with the likes of sociology, psychology and actual world history, k?

/A liberal education still provides better opportunities than a fundamentalist christian education.
//Liberal arts major; happily employed.


Which the author of the article doesn't have. Which you would know if you could, like, read.
 
2012-11-29 05:42:49 PM

Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?

Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

I don't remember exactly, but our church showed some video similar to that that "exposed" the demonic reality of rock n' roll. The video, being a bit outdated (much like the middle-aged church people screening it) featured heavy metal from the 80s (we were into the 90s by this point).

I bet it was the same one. That video, they drug out some of the most inane, underground crap and said "Look how evil it is!!!" Then pointed to crap like Prince and Whitney Houston and said, "Look they're using sex to sell records...that's evil too!"

I mean, have you ever really heard or listened to Diamanda Galas, Nina Hagen, Spooky Tooth, Ludichrist, Celtic Frost, or Christian Death? (the latter few painfully obviously formed to give morons like that a heart attack anyway)

Granted, they still had classics like AC/DC, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Venom, etc. too, but come on.
I used to watch the video for the soundtrack. Is that bad?


Since the only church I ever went to was a fairly low-budget affair, I was spared all the crappy videos. Praise Jesus! But the Sunday School used these color-newsprint handouts with bible lessons, quizzes, and christian "news" stories....the one I remember best was called "Rock Candy!" and was all about the evils of rock n' roll...before "metal" was even a big deal. It was all about rumors about the Rolling Stones and their album titles, Black Sabbath (who always had christian messages, ironically enough), and blamed The Who for getting 11 people trampled in Cincinnati. Of course, being an upstanding protestant American publication, the rock musicians and devil music are to blame, but there was no mention of the carelessness and greed of promoters over-filling the stadium and not providing adequate security. It must be that debbil music!

The irony was that as soon as I got out of church, I was going to go home, put The Who or some Sabbath on my walkman, and mow our gigantic lawn for two hours. I was not amused at the christian shenanigans, and the Sunday school teacher ( a huge Beatles and CCR fan) kind of soft-pedaled the message. I think he could tell I wouldn't be staying around too long. Ah, good times dabbling in the crazy.
 
2012-11-29 05:48:14 PM

Eshman: Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]

Yeah, let's not group "Christian History" along with the likes of sociology, psychology and actual world history, k?

/A liberal education still provides better opportunities than a fundamentalist christian education.
//Liberal arts major; happily employed.


Hey, now! Building plaster dinosaurs, mopping the floor, and selling admission tickets at the creation museum is in fact a VERY satisfying and rewarding career. Mainly because I'm skimming the till, but it's still satisfying!
 
2012-11-29 05:54:47 PM
I'd love to know what our author would think of this episode:

i45.tinypic.com

That relationship Hippo and Oxpecker have going is highly questionable. Plus, I think that Hippo is performing some sort of ritual when he crams his ass into a giant sewer pipe. 

/Caught this by total accident and couldn't stop watching.
 
2012-11-29 06:04:20 PM
"To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest."

Self-horn tooting leads to blindness, which explains this sentence.

"Then, perhaps, we adults may all learn from our children to do the same to our foes, whether we conceive of perceive them as demonic or not." (Still very awkward)

Self described scholar sullies simple syntax.

/as soon as somebody tells me they're smart, I know they're not.
 
2012-11-29 06:05:20 PM
 
2012-11-29 06:06:54 PM
"I know someone who specialized in covert artifact recovery"

"a thief"

"she prefers the term, explorer"
 
2012-11-29 06:31:11 PM

big pig peaches: I like how Caillou's parents shoot him down all the time. More realistic than most kid's shows. He always listens the first time though. I'd like to see him get a time out.


Oh yeah.
 
2012-11-29 06:36:47 PM

scottydoesntknow: CSB:


That was a damn fine thing you did there - in case you didn't know.
 
2012-11-29 07:13:34 PM

Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: Raug the Dwarf: kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?

Holy Crap, man. My parents lived by that shiat when I was a kid. I'll see you that one and raise you a...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

I don't remember exactly, but our church showed some video similar to that that "exposed" the demonic reality of rock n' roll. The video, being a bit outdated (much like the middle-aged church people screening it) featured heavy metal from the 80s (we were into the 90s by this point).

I bet it was the same one. That video, they drug out some of the most inane, underground crap and said "Look how evil it is!!!" Then pointed to crap like Prince and Whitney Houston and said, "Look they're using sex to sell records...that's evil too!"

I mean, have you ever really heard or listened to Diamanda Galas, Nina Hagen, Spooky Tooth, Ludichrist, Celtic Frost, or Christian Death? (the latter few painfully obviously formed to give morons like that a heart attack anyway)

Granted, they still had classics like AC/DC, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Venom, etc. too, but come on.
I used to watch the video for the soundtrack. Is that bad?


That's sinful; you're going to hell, dude.
 
2012-11-29 07:21:25 PM

sitesmithscott: [gallery.burrowowl.net image 760x596]


media.steampowered.com

This guy even looks a bit like Swiper...

/glad I'm not the only Oglaf fan here
 
2012-11-29 07:38:49 PM
As someone with three under 6 (2 years apart), most of the shows I have sen mentioned are watchable; personally, I would rather get punched in the balls than watch The Fresh Beat Band. That is about the only show I absolutely refuse to let my kids watch. There are very few other shows for their ages that I can't watch.

However, I have yet to see a show for their cousins on Disney (ages 10-15) that doesn't want me to run screaming from the room. They are God-awful and I will gladly put up with Caillou, Max and Ruby, or any of the Disney Jr offerings before I will watch that crap.
 
2012-11-29 07:48:03 PM

crazyone33: As someone with three under 6 (2 years apart), most of the shows I have sen mentioned are watchable; personally, I would rather get punched in the balls than watch The Fresh Beat Band. That is about the only show I absolutely refuse to let my kids watch. There are very few other shows for their ages that I can't watch.

However, I have yet to see a show for their cousins on Disney (ages 10-15) that doesn't want me to run screaming from the room. They are God-awful and I will gladly put up with Caillou, Max and Ruby, or any of the Disney Jr offerings before I will watch that crap.


I feel your pain...my nephews are in the tween phase, and insist on watching The Suite Life, Wizard of Waverly Place, and a few other similar shows I can't recall the name of off hand. I try to remember that they're kids shows and I probably watched annoying stuff when I was little...but damn, those shows make my brain bleed. What kind of "acting" do you call that?
 
2012-11-29 07:59:28 PM

slayer199: I read the first two paragraphs before I came to the conclusion that TFA has too much time on their hands.


...took you that long, huh?
 
2012-11-29 08:18:31 PM

keypusher: Eshman: Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]

Yeah, let's not group "Christian History" along with the likes of sociology, psychology and actual world history, k?

/A liberal education still provides better opportunities than a fundamentalist christian education.
//Liberal arts major; happily employed.

Which the author of the article doesn't have. Which you would know if you could, like, read.


Durrrrr maybe you could check the post I quoted before jumping straight to the asshole card, eh?
 
2012-11-29 08:42:29 PM

Eshman: keypusher: Eshman: Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]

Yeah, let's not group "Christian History" along with the likes of sociology, psychology and actual world history, k?

/A liberal education still provides better opportunities than a fundamentalist christian education.
//Liberal arts major; happily employed.

Which the author of the article doesn't have. Which you would know if you could, like, read.

Durrrrr maybe you could check the post I quoted before jumping straight to the asshole card, eh?


Why? Your own words exposed you as smug and clueless.
 
2012-11-29 08:58:19 PM
kid_icarus: crazyone33: As someone with three under 6 (2 years apart), most of the shows I have sen mentioned are watchable; personally, I would rather get punched in the balls than watch The Fresh Beat Band. That is about the only show I absolutely refuse to let my kids watch. There are very few other shows for their ages that I can't watch.

However, I have yet to see a show for their cousins on Disney (ages 10-15) that doesn't want me to run screaming from the room. They are God-awful and I will gladly put up with Caillou, Max and Ruby, or any of the Disney Jr offerings before I will watch that crap.

I feel your pain...my nephews are in the tween phase, and insist on watching The Suite Life, Wizard of Waverly Place, and a few other similar shows I can't recall the name of off hand. I try to remember that they're kids shows and I probably watched annoying stuff when I was little...but damn, those shows make my brain bleed. What kind of "acting" do you call that?


Not only the acting, but the writing. I mean, it is possible to make shows for that age that are funny (Phineas and Ferb, Spongebob, etc). It is amazing that for an objective observer, the younger kids shows are infinitely more watchable, educational, humorous, and better written than those shows for an older audience. I guess that is why we get Honey Boo Boo and reality shows about guys who (don't) read instruction manuals.
 
2012-11-29 09:00:00 PM
When my son was little, I'd always try to get him to watch The Big Comfy Couch. I couldn't put my finger on why, but Loonette looked pretty damn good, even if she was a clown.

www.northernstars.ca

Later, I saw some pics of her out of the clown makeup

si0.twimg.com

Now I know that not all clowns are scary. A select few are hotties in disguise
 
2012-11-29 09:19:47 PM

kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?


Oh my god, SO MUCH THIS. Even as I kid I recognized bullshiat when I saw it, and this book my friend, was a shiat lagoon.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/consolation hug and a proud fistbump to fellow FARK survivor of childhood trauma wrought by fundie bullshiat
 
2012-11-29 09:30:48 PM
My daughter is in a serious Dora phase at the moment...the only issue I've come up with so far is that i'm trying to teach her colors at the moment and when i asked her what color the block she was holding is, she replied 'ROJO!" which is not exactly incorrect, but we are trying to get the english colors down before we move on to spanish.
Otherwise, i've become able to bear most of the children's programming that we watch...we love sesame street..Jamie is 20 months old and can count to 'twentyteen'.
yo gabba gabba is the weirdest, most trippy show on tv and we love it.
 
2012-11-29 09:40:43 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: "Can you tell me why my father left me?"

/obscure?


I guess it is. Best way to know something is obscure on FARK when you ask if someone knows the reference, no one posts about it!
 
2012-11-29 09:51:48 PM
Wow, I thought farkers were smarter than this.

The author claims to be "a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity". Does that mean that he's a Christian? No, you morons!

The article is titled "Swiper, No Swiping!": The Demonology of Dora the Explorer. Does that mean that the author believes in demons and demon possession? No, you morons!

For the morons who didn't read the article but assumed that it was WND-style derp:
"It's not clear whether the creators of Dora the Explorer were thinking about this rich demonological tradition when they created Swiper -- they did not need to. The image of the fox-demon has molded our religious consciousness for centuries."

If you actually read the article and think that the author is some kind of crazy religious nut, you're either a complete moron or functionally illiterate.
 
2012-11-29 10:14:11 PM

Mega Steve: When my son was little, I'd always try to get him to watch The Big Comfy Couch. I couldn't put my finger on why, but Loonette looked pretty damn good, even if she was a clown.

[www.northernstars.ca image 184x250]

Later, I saw some pics of her out of the clown makeup

[si0.twimg.com image 388x500]


...and in that picture, she's out of everything.
 
2012-11-29 10:43:21 PM
My niece was ga-ga for Dora when she was younger. I didn't mind it - it had good messages, wasn't too annoying.

What annoyed me is the blatant gender differentiation Nickelodeon did later. Both the boys and girls in her classes loved Dora. Then they made Dora pink and frilly, and made the "Action-oriented" boy in blue Diego. Dora would go to Diego, but not the reverse. It was blatant and patronizing that a little boy couldn't cheer a female hero.

Sad.

And this guy isn't writing anything that any first-year philosophy student with a younger brother or sister hasn't all ready written in a B- paper in his first semester away at Assmunch State.
 
2012-11-29 10:53:29 PM

Mega Steve: When my son was little, I'd always try to get him to watch The Big Comfy Couch. I couldn't put my finger on why, but Loonette looked pretty damn good, even if she was a clown.

[www.northernstars.ca image 184x250]

Later, I saw some pics of her out of the clown makeup

[si0.twimg.com image 388x500]

Now I know that not all clowns are scary. A select few are hotties in disguise


My little sister is 7 years younger than me. I remember that show being on when she was little. I didn't mind it so much because it wasn't obnoxious and she was easy on the eyes.

/And now that I'm an adult this looks so much different to me.
 
2012-11-30 12:13:32 AM

Jim_Callahan: I think the fact that you can easily map the plot points and themes of a saturday morning cartoon to Christian mythology is probably more revealing regarding the origins of Christian mythology than it is indicative of anything particularly interesting regarding the cartoon.


Like I said, it would have been a passingly interesting treatise (for all three of us who find such things moderately interesting) on repeating themes and motifs in mythology and folklore. I've seen similar theories in religious studies before. It's not unusual; Joseph Campbell did it already, and much better and more entertainingly.

That this fool thinks there's anything even remotely "demonic" about it is just this year's attempt to create a panic about children's television. methinks.
 
2012-11-30 12:26:32 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: Mega Steve: When my son was little, I'd always try to get him to watch The Big Comfy Couch. I couldn't put my finger on why, but Loonette looked pretty damn good, even if she was a clown.

[www.northernstars.ca image 184x250]

Later, I saw some pics of her out of the clown makeup

[si0.twimg.com image 388x500]

Now I know that not all clowns are scary. A select few are hotties in disguise

My little sister is 7 years younger than me. I remember that show being on when she was little. I didn't mind it so much because it wasn't obnoxious and she was easy on the eyes.

/And now that I'm an adult this looks so much different to me.


www.gifsforum.com
 
2012-11-30 02:15:05 AM
I've been watching a Korean show about a fox spirit, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

In the show I'm watching, 내 여자친구는 구미호, a fox tricks some loser guy into freeing her from magical captivity, and then she follows him around and forces him to do stuff for her so she won't get mad and eat him. It's quite entertaining.
 
2012-11-30 02:16:51 AM
My three cents: This is a clever and somewhat tongue-in-cheek analysis that so many people have misunderstood it saddens me. Literary analysis is subjective, may always be questioned, dissected, or expanded upon; however, in the comments I see only confused condemnation. Let me discuss the problems with a few examples. "You religious zealots!..." Retort: what has the author said that makes him seem a "religious zealot?" In his analysis, he never claims to know the absolute truth, to preach it, or to link it with any particular religion; rather, he considers established concepts from many diverse cultures and religions in his reading of "Dora." "There is clearly too much thought into such a simple concept." Retort: you could say the same of any critical work, as literary criticism is at its core about giving thought to seemingly simple concepts. Further, the true intention of the author is not up for debate; it is as much the reader's understanding as the author's that imbues a work with its true value. I could write an essay on the topics I'm trying to raise, but I lack the patience. The bottom line is that I am saddened by the idiocy of the authors of the comments and of those who agree with them, and shocked by the quantity of the above. No one seems to get it, and that poses a problem far beyond the scope of this article, as this kind of flawed thinking will extend itself to much more serious debates of religion and literature in culture. If the majority of netizens cannot comprehend an analysis of literary themes in a simple children's cartoon, what hope do they have of ever understanding something as complex as the Bible, or of contributing meaningfully to important cultural debates (abortion, or homosexuality, for example, as two charged items at the intersection of religion and culture). And finally, this comment: "NOT TO SOUND DUMB__-so should we let our children watch it yes or no????___ "Retort: You do sound dumb, and you are dumb, and the fact that you have control over the education of your children is beyond frightening. You know who gets it, though? Commenter "monte." His comment is this: "Bravo. This piece, to me, is what PopMatters is all about. It's got an ostensibly silly premise, and seems readable initially just for its humor, but in fact it becomes quite thought-provoking, as well. I bitterly wish I'd written it. Well done." Congratulations then, monte. You alone seem humanity's saving grace.
 
2012-11-30 02:40:50 AM
Also, You know what? The creators of "Dora" probably made Swiper a fox in the first place because a fox in our culture and mythology is considered sneaky, mischievous, clever, harmful but not evil, a sort of of wily being to watch out for but easily dispatched (an animal, after all). Get it?
Now, why might a fox have obtained such cultural characteristics? Could it be because of eons of mythology relating the fox to a demon? Does the analysis within this article now make sense to the dimwitted among you? No? Well, I tried.
The author is in no way trying to state that "Dora" is evil and anti-Christian. He does not say either that Swiper is somehow meant to trick children into devil-worship. In fact, he seems to imply that if we consider Swiper a demon character, a valuable lesson is taught to children: "the redeeming quality of all life" !!!
Instead, it seems most of the commentators have skipped to the last paragraph, read just the sentence, "perhaps children might see that such "demonic" presences are not absolutely evil" and went into some sort of religious panic, or conversely decided to mock the above.
The article is just a (brilliant) literary analysis applied to a children's show most of us would not consider worthy of literary analysis, and is thus "funny" or clever. It is a tongue-in-cheek academic exercise.
The responses to this article however, are largely the product of drooling literalists with poor reading comprehension skills and a tenuous grasp of theology. In short, as I've presented in my previous comment, I weep for humanity.
 
2012-11-30 02:43:31 AM
Damn you. Now I have it stuck in my head!
 
2012-11-30 02:47:59 AM
I'd take Dora over The Wiggles. Oh, god not Wiggle Time.
 
2012-11-30 02:50:02 AM

rufus-t-firefly: this deceptive nature made the fox a logical form for the devil to take on earth. In fact, for medieval Europeans, the fox was a common symbol for the devil himself.

So, Fox News is both deceptive and demonic.


YES! You got it!
 
2012-11-30 03:15:01 AM
My 2y/o is banned from watching Dora. She's only allowed to watch Disney jr. Blues clues and yo gabba gabba.... The only inappropriate show on Disney jr is the one with "little nut brown hare". I just don't need her walking around repeating that.

Aww who am I kidding... That show is just annoying. I'd rather watch family guy. My kid sings the theme song.
 
2012-11-30 05:52:02 AM
Man, I remember when my oldest was in the age range, he never really watched Dora, he like Thomas the Train. Good God i can still remember all the names of the idiotic trains. Now thankfully he is 10, and we can just play football and not watch something mind numbingly stupid, though he keeps asking to be allowed to watch walking dead.

My 7yo went through a High 5 phase, and as hot as the blonde dancing chick on the show was, I was ok with that

Though he also always watched Max and Ruby. I continously pointed out to him if he was as much of a jerk to his older brother as MAx was to his sister, he'd have his ass kicked (by the older brother).

:)
 
2012-11-30 06:20:09 AM

scottydoesntknow: My next door neighbor was really into the Pokemon trading cards. I never really liked them (played Magic myself),


WTF is wrong with you kids?
 
2012-11-30 07:56:00 AM
Does that crazy biatch even have an "inside voice" or is she suffering from some sort of disease that prevents her vocal cords from changing VOLUME?

Also Dora is the bossiest little tramp I have EVER SEEN.

"DO IT"

"DO IT!"

"COME ON! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?"


/Maraka
 
2012-11-30 08:44:25 AM

NetOwl: I've been watching a Korean show about a fox spirit, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

In the show I'm watching, 내 여자친구는 구미호, a fox tricks some loser guy into freeing her from magical captivity, and then she follows him around and forces him to do stuff for her so she won't get mad and eat him. It's quite entertaining.


Seems sort of like a Korean show in the vein of Bewitched or I Dream of Jeanie.

Wonder if I can find a subbed version

My Girlfriend is a Nine-Tailed Fox

/Because whose girlfriend isn't a Gumiho.
 
2012-11-30 08:51:09 AM

kazikian: This is a clever and somewhat tongue-in-cheek analysis that so many people have misunderstood it saddens me.


Well I can't speak for everyone, but I understood what the author was doing.

The problem is that he isn't working in a vacuum. He can explore these themes and ideas because people believe this shiat is real. That you can use magical incantations to ward off demons, etc.

It is mind-boggling that, in this day and age, that the belief in magic and superstition is still alive and well across all aspects of society.

/the same people who mock stories of people believing in witchcraft in Africa turn around do their magical telepathic communication with their magical friend before every meal!
 
2012-11-30 09:26:33 AM

Mega Steve: CtrlAltDestroy: Mega Steve: When my son was little, I'd always try to get him to watch The Big Comfy Couch. I couldn't put my finger on why, but Loonette looked pretty damn good, even if she was a clown.

[www.northernstars.ca image 184x250]

Later, I saw some pics of her out of the clown makeup

[si0.twimg.com image 388x500]

Now I know that not all clowns are scary. A select few are hotties in disguise

My little sister is 7 years younger than me. I remember that show being on when she was little. I didn't mind it so much because it wasn't obnoxious and she was easy on the eyes.

/And now that I'm an adult this looks so much different to me.

[www.gifsforum.com image 418x417]


What he said.

///That made me feel funny and wrong.
 
2012-11-30 09:41:32 AM

Fiction Fan: Does that crazy biatch even have an "inside voice" or is she suffering from some sort of disease that prevents her vocal cords from changing VOLUME?

Also Dora is the bossiest little tramp I have EVER SEEN.

"DO IT"

"DO IT!"

"COME ON! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?"


/Maraka


Finally someone got my reference!
 
2012-11-30 09:53:03 AM

FirstNationalBastard: meanmutton: I don't understand parents who put their kinds in front of Dora when there's actually good children's TV out there (My Little Pony, Olivia, Phineas and Ferb are all rather good).

Yeah, isn't Dora for, like, 2 or 3-year-olds, while Ponies and Phineas and Ferb are for an older audience (say, 6+)?


My 3 year old is bored by Dora, loves the others. Honestly, I think it's what you expose them to. If you sit them in front of mind-numbing stuff like Dora instead of shows with complicated language and complicated plots then they'll probably like that.
 
2012-11-30 11:54:36 AM

Elzar: So basically 'Swipe no swiping' is an exorcism, swiper the fox is the devil and the baby jesus needs our money or he'll cry. It sounds like we have finally found one of the mythical 'true' christians in their native habit: scare-mongering kids and bravely defending the lord from the evils of dora and her illegal immigrant rhethoric.


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 11:57:41 AM

Elzar: Mugato: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

"Hehe, what a waste of time."

.Bill, Groundhog Day

I snerked when I read that in the article too. Pratchett-like witch series typing detected...


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 11:58:16 AM

roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 11:59:06 AM

hubiestubert: I can only imagine the horror that must be Sesame Street to this rigid scholar...


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 11:59:45 AM

kid_icarus: Sad thing is, I would normally swear an article like that was satire, except that I know for a fact certain evangelicals take it to that level of insanity with total, serious conviction.

When I was a kid, me and my brother had to throw away all of our He-Man and Thundercat toys after our parents were made aware that said shows promote witchcraft. As a rule of thumb (for evangelicals), "witchcraft" was any sort of supernatural power that was explicitly stated as coming from our Lord God.


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 12:00:57 PM

tricycleracer: Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire.


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 12:01:41 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: If anything about this show is evil, it's that Dora suffocates a living map in her backpack.


Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?
 
2012-11-30 12:05:49 PM

The Southern Dandy: So the gist of the article is that a modern make-believe story is like ancient make-believe stories?


What!?!?!?!!??? Someone actually RTFA!!!???!??!?!?!! UNPOSSIBLE!
 
2012-11-30 12:09:17 PM

hdhale: Foxes are crafty, sneaky in the real world and in ancient and modern lore.

Satan is crafty, sneaky in the Bible and some would say in the real world.

Author draws obvious parallels.

Why is this even an article?


Because it is interesting and is a cultural gestalt that may not have occurred to some people?

/Enjoyed the article and thinks the prof knows what he is talking about.
//Before you go all "point and laugh at the fundie" on me, do yourself a favor (so you don't look incredibly stupid) and completely RTFA
 
2012-11-30 12:15:01 PM

theorellior: Okay, people, calm down. It was a mildly interesting article about the mythological archetypes that the human psyche has carried with it through the ages, and how that translates to young psychological development. Although the author may or may not be a Christian, fundie, crazy person or all three in combination, it really wasn't much of a religious tract, more of a comparative religious tract.

Dora is annoying because the way the actor voices her it's LIKE SHE'S SHOUTING ALL THE TIME.


THANK YOU!!!! AT LAST, SOME FARKER GETS IT!!!

Yes, I was yelling. GOD! Some of you people are just DUMB PAVLOVIAN KNEEJERKS!

Sorry, yelling again.

And the article was very well done. Key point FTFA: "It's not clear whether the creators of Dora the Explorer were thinking about this rich demonological tradition when they created Swiper-they did not need to. The image of the fox-demon has molded our religious consciousness for centuries."
 
2012-11-30 12:18:11 PM

Magnir: Man, I remember when my oldest was in the age range, he never really watched Dora, he like Thomas the Train. Good God i can still remember all the names of the idiotic trains. .......


Now THAT is creepy. Trains with faces...... (shiver). Even worse, there is some spin-off with PLANES with faces, who talk. (double shiver). Visions of Skynet......
 
2012-11-30 12:24:24 PM
Subby, you Magnificent Bastard! You trolled a whole bunch of Kneejerk Xian-Haters with that article.

+10/+10
 
2012-11-30 12:29:58 PM

scottydoesntknow: Went to his house the next day and handed him $400 in cash and told him to go buy a Playstation 2. I took mine and bought an Xbox. He bought the sports/racing/non-violent games, and I took care of the gory, M-rated games. Worked out well for both of us.


Truly, a symbiotic relationship.
 
2012-11-30 12:38:15 PM

keypusher: Eshman: keypusher: Eshman: Gleeman: To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity

[i.imgur.com image 504x298]

Yeah, let's not group "Christian History" along with the likes of sociology, psychology and actual world history, k?

/A liberal education still provides better opportunities than a fundamentalist christian education.
//Liberal arts major; happily employed.

Which the author of the article doesn't have. Which you would know if you could, like, read.

Durrrrr maybe you could check the post I quoted before jumping straight to the asshole card, eh?

Why? Your own words exposed you as smug and clueless.


I wasn't directly responding to the article and rather the post that compared the author's "Christian Scholarship" to a Liberal Arts Education? Clearly, you agree there is a difference?

Shame on me for not joining the circle jerk around here disparaging those of us who chose a liberal education and might actually be doing something with it, amirite?
 
2012-11-30 01:03:25 PM

180IQ: Wow, I thought farkers were smarter than this.

The author claims to be "a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity". Does that mean that he's a Christian? No, you morons!

The article is titled "Swiper, No Swiping!": The Demonology of Dora the Explorer. Does that mean that the author believes in demons and demon possession? No, you morons!

For the morons who didn't read the article but assumed that it was WND-style derp:
"It's not clear whether the creators of Dora the Explorer were thinking about this rich demonological tradition when they created Swiper -- they did not need to. The image of the fox-demon has molded our religious consciousness for centuries."

If you actually read the article and think that the author is some kind of crazy religious nut, you're either a complete moron or functionally illiterate.


this this this this.....
 
2012-11-30 01:03:58 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: tricycleracer: Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire.

Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?


Farkers read articles?
 
2012-11-30 01:39:37 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Magnir: Man, I remember when my oldest was in the age range, he never really watched Dora, he like Thomas the Train. Good God i can still remember all the names of the idiotic trains. .......

Now THAT is creepy. Trains with faces...... (shiver). Even worse, there is some spin-off with PLANES with faces, who talk. (double shiver). Visions of Skynet......


Dar God, no...I had blocked Jay Jay the Jet Plane from my memory. My son went through a phase were he loved it.
 
2012-11-30 01:48:14 PM
Also, this terrifying thing
b9.sustatic.com

grew up to look like this

25.media.tumblr.com

I don't know hot to feel about that
 
2012-11-30 02:11:13 PM

wambu: For mindlessness, I like Wow Wow Wubzy


Easy now. They drop some good references now and then.

/still remember one with characters dressed up like Devo
 
2012-11-30 02:32:21 PM

johnnyq: Eh, to each their own. When my kids were that age, "Wonderpets" was my favorite amongst the shows of that ilk.


Wonderpets is cool FOR ONE SHOW. Then the formulaic script and the repetition of the songs gets old fatser than Lindsay Lohan whores herself out.
 
2012-11-30 02:36:18 PM

Mega Steve: Also, this terrifying thing
[b9.sustatic.com image 282x184]

grew up to look like this

[25.media.tumblr.com image 239x319]

I don't know hot to feel about that


Your Freud is showing...


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?


Please explain how anything in my comment relates to anything in your comment.
 
2012-11-30 02:54:59 PM

roc6783: Your Freud is showing...


I suppose you're right. I'm a bad, bad man
 
2012-11-30 03:26:10 PM

roc6783: Mega Steve: Also, this terrifying thing
[b9.sustatic.com image 282x184]

grew up to look like this

[25.media.tumblr.com image 239x319]

I don't know hot to feel about that

Your Freud is showing...


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

Know how I know that you either DRTFA or simply were too preoccupied with what you were going to say attacking Christianity with Pavlovian fervor that you didn't understand it?

Please explain how anything in my comment relates to anything in your comment.


Since you referred to it as "garbage." I thought it was a rather insightful though somewhat simplified (dumbed-down for lay people not experts in mythology/cultural anthropology) piece. My assumption was that you were jumping into the "let's bash Xian fundies" circle jerk. If I was wrong, I apologize. If I was right, YOU should apologize for not reading and understanding the article.
 
2012-11-30 03:26:54 PM

Mega Steve: Also, this terrifying thing
[b9.sustatic.com image 282x184]

grew up to look like this

[25.media.tumblr.com image 239x319]

I don't know hot to feel about that


She will suck out your Soul......
 
2012-11-30 03:29:28 PM
THIS is a terrifying website. Click the link at the risk of your sanity. Explore the various pages at the risk of your very soul....
 
2012-11-30 03:32:43 PM

Mega Steve: roc6783: Your Freud is showing...

I suppose you're right. I'm a bad, bad man


I do not disagree, but i would need further evidence of this girl's current state to gauge exactly how bad.
 
2012-11-30 03:47:54 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: roc6783: Mega Steve: ***snip***

Since you referred to it as "garbage." I thought it was a rather insightful though somewhat simplified (dumbed-down for lay people not experts in mythology/cultural anthropology) piece. My assumption was that you were jumping into the "let's bash Xian fundies" circle jerk. If I was wrong, I apologize. If I was right, YOU should apologize for not reading and understanding the article.


I am not sure whether to reply with the Jump to Conclusions MatTM or something something glass houses something something judged. I thought the article was not good. I generally find people's analysis of the use of archetypes tenuous at best. To me, the article hinged on here are a bunch of fox myths, here's a fox in Dora, poof archetype. This being Fark, I used the word garbage.
 
2012-11-30 05:08:29 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Magnir: Man, I remember when my oldest was in the age range, he never really watched Dora, he like Thomas the Train. Good God i can still remember all the names of the idiotic trains. .......

Now THAT is creepy. Trains with faces...... (shiver). Even worse, there is some spin-off with PLANES with faces, who talk. (double shiver). Visions of Skynet......


I can beat that for creepiness.

Rollie Polly Ollie.

EVERYTHING has a face. EVERY object is watching you. ALL the time.

Even the toilet, when you go poop.

It's worse than Ceiling Cat.

/if you are robot from Planet Polie that needs to poop
//well, they do eat, so its only logical that they poop
 
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