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2012-11-29 01:57:30 PM

hdhale: Foxes are crafty, sneaky in the real world and in ancient and modern lore.

Satan is crafty, sneaky in the Bible and some would say in the real world.

Author draws obvious parallels.

Why is this even an article?


Welcome to Fark?


TrainingWheelsNeeded: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

you will lose. you will soon be able moving to the rhythm of a little song with only three words, "I'm The Map!


I doubt it as my wife seems to dislike it as much as I do, but I am sure there is some other horrifyingly stupid kids things she will love that I will hate.
 
2012-11-29 01:57:36 PM
I want it to be satire, but let's face it, this is how religion came about in the first place: Overthinking crap until an intricate series of utterly fabricated explanations start to sound more and more plausible as each mental construct reinforces the next in an enless series of "So if X, then Y must be so, and if Y must be so, then..." statements.

And that's how you end up with the devil in Dora. Which also sounds like a great name for a modernized classic porno.
 
2012-11-29 01:58:36 PM
Dennis P. Quinn? Is that this Dennis P. Quinn? I blame this article on his Sociology degree.
 
2012-11-29 01:58:55 PM

roc6783: hdhale: ***snip***
I doubt it as my wife seems to dislike it as much as I do, but I am sure there is some other horrifyingly stupid kids things she will love that I will hate.


By "her", I meant my daughter not my wife.
 
2012-11-29 01:59:24 PM

dr.zaeus: AdolfOliverPanties: "Swiper! No swiping" = "The power of Christ compels you!"

Also, I never viewed Dora as sexy until Jessica Alba did this:

[assets.flavorwire.com image 435x580]

Ditto for Ariel Winter...

/seat over there


Ok...that was awesome
 
2012-11-29 02:00:12 PM
Generally, I don't think the author was taking himself too seriously. He gets to the role of fox imagery in asian religions later in the article and does a simple comparison.

I'm reminded of the conversation between Enoch Root and Randy Waterhouse in Cryptonomicon where Enoch is laying out the difference between Mars and Minerva as representations of human behavior and how all "gods" have analogs in different cultures because they are based on universal aspects of humanity and nature. I'd guess that anywhere an agrarian culture resides within fox habitat, foxes would be perceived negatively as cunning thieves because they can and do prey upon small domesticated animals (poultries, rabbits, etc) in spite of the best efforts to prevent it. They're ability to overcome obstacles that humans put in their way may be viewed as supernatural.
 
2012-11-29 02:01:05 PM
I can't even.
 
2012-11-29 02:01:05 PM
www.cartoonwatcher.com

Go Diablo Go!
 
2012-11-29 02:01:19 PM

The Southern Dandy: So the gist of the article is that a modern make-believe story is like ancient make-believe stories?


Pretty much.

I mean, I suppose it would be interesting enough as a treatise on the recurrence of symbolic figures in mythology and folklore; but as a commentary on kids' cartoons it was pretty f*cking stupid.
 
2012-11-29 02:02:31 PM
And for all you Dora-philes out there, here is a link to NSFW Dora images.  

i.imgur.com 
Greedy King and Ron Jeremy look-a-likes
 
2012-11-29 02:03:30 PM
While watching an episode with my kids one day, it dawned on me: Swiper was being expelled with an incantation to ward off demons. Is Swiper to be understood as a demonic figure?

Time to get teh fine author back on his meds. 

/Or he can wait for Jesus to show up and drive the demons out of his head.
 
2012-11-29 02:06:06 PM
tl;dr
 
2012-11-29 02:06:25 PM
If you have Amazon Prime, you have to watch The Magic Stick episode. The first 3 minutes or so are worthless, but then Dora and Boots find a "magic stick" that they have to tug mightily on to remove from a rock. When they succeed, they are bathed in a white, sparkling light from above. Animals appear and celebrate as both Dora and Boots cling to the stick, and generally fawn over it (it's worth noting that Boots chooses to carry the stick through the entire journey, rather than put the stick safely in Backpack, which is what they generally will do with valuable objects). But wait! The Magic Stick must be allowed to "do it's trick", which can only be accomplished from the "highest hill".

Things proceed normally for another 12-15 minutes, though The Magic Stick proves useful in solving almost any problem for the duo. Finally we reach the end (climax?), where both Dora and Boots insert The Magic Stick into the Highest Hill, which is completely barren. But nothing happens! No, a chant must be recited: at which point the white sparkles again erupt from the top of The Magic Stick, and the Highest Hill is covered in rich greenery and flowers in their wake. Finally, The Magic Stick rises into the air; Dora and Boots grab on, and The Magic Stick flies them around the land. They embrace when they land, so joyous are they, and Dora celebrates by putting one of the flowers created by The Magic Stick in her hair.

And no, I am no exaggerating about any of that.
 
2012-11-29 02:07:00 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

you will lose. you will soon be able moving to the rhythm of a little song with only three words, "I'm The Map!


Not necessarily. My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.
 
2012-11-29 02:10:37 PM

roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.


Here's the thing: As far as kid's shows go, Dora is like middle of the road annoying. It's repetitiveness makes it easy to tune out.

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*
 
2012-11-29 02:11:01 PM

big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.


Is the Daniel Tiger show decent, in the Mister Rogers tradition?
 
2012-11-29 02:11:49 PM
So what you're telling me, is that religion and children's shows have comparable levels of simplicity in their imagery?

Go f*cking figure.

Additionally, three is a pretty magic number in regards to psychologically cementing a concept into a brain with repetition, even for adults. This is quite possibly in the top five dumbest, yet well written, things I've ever read.
 
2012-11-29 02:14:05 PM

roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.


I lasted most of 2 years. I even watched the NEWS in the morning while getting ready for work. Now he's 3 and I have lost the battle and the war. I haven't gotten my morning news and traffic anywhere but AM radio in the car in months. We were reading a book about zoos last night at bedtime and this was his narrative:

"A giraffe! Like Nessa!" (Big Big Friend)
"A horse! Like Galahad!" (Mike the Knight)
"A monkey! Like Boots!"
"A cat! Like Jess!" (Guess with Jess)
"A walrus! Like Octonauts!"

I have failed.
 
2012-11-29 02:14:24 PM
"To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest."

Apparently while training to become a Professor of the History of Christianity they skip the basic English vocabulary classes where you learn the difference between "Context" and "Contest".
 
2012-11-29 02:14:35 PM
Still no word on the implications of the Oompa Loompas from Willy Wonka's chocolate factory.

I still think he summoned and bound them to the property to insure the longevity and prosperity of the business. As he got older, the Oompa Loompa's needed new blood to continue the ritual.

Charlie is now the new "master". His reign will be long and prosperous while Willy's remains and soul are incorporated into a new invention. So he will always be lurking.
 
2012-11-29 02:15:16 PM
To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest. He is an archetypal image of the diabolical fox-spirit in the history of religions. The words to ward him off are similar in pattern to spells or exorcistic formulae used to ward off evil spirits throughout history. And not only may children be learning how best to deal with the demonic, but they're doing so in a very sophisticated way. For Dora does not completely cast out her demon, but rather allows for its redemption.


This, right here, is why people hate on academics. And Christians.
 
2012-11-29 02:17:11 PM

big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.


What? Caillou is a whiny little brat. My daughter can watch Dora any day over that obnoxious kid...
 
2012-11-29 02:17:17 PM

Snarfangel: Dora the Explorer, exposed? Rule 34 takes another victim.


I have to admit that this image:

media.comicvine.com

Did give me pause the first time I saw it. Then I felt rather dirty.
 
2012-11-29 02:17:26 PM
My son (3) usually watches Disney Jr. for his entertainment. We tried Dora one day and quickly switched back to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

/Tries to get him to watch Little Einsteins more then anything
/Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog....
 
2012-11-29 02:17:55 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 02:18:41 PM
www4.picturepush.com

So concludes another session of "Wasting Time With Christians."TM
 
2012-11-29 02:18:45 PM

jayhawk88: Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder


We leave the house at 7:05 - Max and Ruby are on at 7. I make sure to turn the TV off as soon as the credits roll on Bob the Builder. GAWD that show is awful.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:10 PM

jayhawk88: roc6783: I feel bad for having clicked and read any of that garbage. That being said, when my daughter was born, i told my wife that she will not even know Dora is a thing until she starts interacting with other kids. 6+ months on and I am still winning that battle.

//Still have a sneaking suspicion that my wife is better at picking battles than I am though.

Here's the thing: As far as kid's shows go, Dora is like middle of the road annoying. It's repetitiveness makes it easy to tune out.

Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder*


Stop whining. You still have Adventure Time to look forward to.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.

Is the Daniel Tiger show decent, in the Mister Rogers tradition?


It's animated and the characters are the children of the original puppets. I don't much remember Mr Rodgers but it teaches little life lessons for2-4 y/os. Patience, taking turns, being helpful that sort of thing. It even helped with the potty training.

And it completely shuts her up for a half hour which is nice.
 
2012-11-29 02:19:26 PM

Civchic: "A walrus! Like Octonauts!"


Don't dare knock Octonauts!

/Creature Report
//Creature Report!
 
2012-11-29 02:19:31 PM

Flakeloaf: When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a strawman for the ficitious bogeyman you've invented.


When all you can think about is religion-hating, everything looks like a religious rant even if it's not intended that way.
 
2012-11-29 02:23:18 PM
The comments at the end were equally entertaining. I chuckled when I read, "So, Wise Christian Historian, should I let my kids watch it or not?" (paraphrased)
 
2012-11-29 02:23:33 PM
Bleeding Christ.
Another article written by somebody who thinks they're smarter than they are, pointing out half-assed, tenuous links to bad thing du jour from a simple children's show.
Yes, yes. Now tell us how Spongebob and the Smurfs are evil tools to promote the gay agenda and make our kids desire sucking cock.
 
2012-11-29 02:23:38 PM
The theological position that even the Devil and his demons will be saved with the death and resurrection of Christ has gathered dust on the cutting-room floor of early Christian history. The otherwise celebrated Christian theologian Origen of Alexandria, who died in AD 254, held this position. For Origen, the mercy of God extended to all creation. Salvation for all, including the demonic, allows for a view of the world in which no beings should be excluded, thus being more tolerant of even the most extreme differences in the world. I wonder what our history might have looked like if the Western traditions had adopted the concept of the salvation of the Devil. It would certainly have been more difficult for these groups to justify the destruction of "evil doers" in its midst.

Through such portrayals, perhaps children might see that such "demonic" presences are not absolutely evil, but have a value and worth beyond simply being ostracized and counted as "other". We tend to use the power of words today to demonize rather than exorcise. If we could get children to treat all such "old enemies" with compassion and understanding, they might indeed understand one of the central tenants of the Christian tradition, unfortunately lost by the most "pious" among us: "Love thy enemy." Then, perhaps, we adults may all learn from our children to do the same to our foes, whether we conceive of them as demonic or not.


God's mercy extends to all?

CINO. Christian In Name Only. Christianity is only meaningful if most created sentience burns forever, as clearly described in the Bible.
 
2012-11-29 02:25:07 PM

the-meter-man: big pig peaches: My daughter's nearly 3 and could care less about Dora. We followed the no TV until 2 rule.

She goes bananas for Daniel Tiger and Caillou which aren't too bad. Dora gives me the willies.

What? Caillou is a whiny little brat. My daughter can watch Dora any day over that obnoxious kid...


I like how Caillou's parents shoot him down all the time. More realistic than most kid's shows. He always listens the first time though. I'd like to see him get a time out.
 
2012-11-29 02:25:28 PM
What about this??

wizard.gamebanana.com 

i405.photobucket.com  

images.wehaslinks.com
 
2012-11-29 02:25:44 PM

defl8ed: "To me, a professor and scholar of the history of Christianity, I saw this problem-solving strategy of dealing with Swiper within a larger, historical contest."

Apparently while training to become a Professor of the History of Christianity they skip the basic English vocabulary classes where you learn the difference between "Context" and "Contest".


Also between "tenet" and "tenant". What a scholar... pfffft

/dnrtfa
 
2012-11-29 02:27:07 PM

ReverendJasen: Yes, yes. Now tell us how Spongebob and the Smurfs are evil tools to promote the gay agenda and make our kids desire sucking cock.


Well the Smurfs are pretty much a sausage fest. They can run a train on Smurfett but she can only handle so much.
 
2012-11-29 02:29:53 PM
Any media anywhere ever that has anthropomorphized animals is utilizing animism to do so.
 
2012-11-29 02:31:22 PM
The author is brilliant. Essentially they have manged to compose a long essay based on their drug induced ramblings but by basing it on religous undertones nobody is calling them on being a pothead.
 
2012-11-29 02:31:53 PM

Wellon Dowd: [thebertshow.com image 261x254]


*lots of gunfire, Dora hides behind a crate and puts Backpack on the ground.*

"Hola Dora! Soy Backpack! ?What would you like?"

"A MIRACLE FOR A START!"
 
2012-11-29 02:32:09 PM

Civchic: jayhawk88: Wait until you're exposed to the likes of Max and Ruby or Caillou, though.*shudder

We leave the house at 7:05 - Max and Ruby are on at 7. I make sure to turn the TV off as soon as the credits roll on Bob the Builder. GAWD that show is awful.


I seriously want to find a Ruby doll and light it on fire. She's like the cartoon version of Martha Stewart, or perhaps more to the point, the character Martha Stewart plays on TV.
 
2012-11-29 02:33:13 PM
Dora? What a farking dyke.

And that poor teletubby got all the abuse.
 
2012-11-29 02:33:56 PM

kid_icarus: TFA so much reminds me of this...

[i76.photobucket.com image 300x300]


/anyone else have their childhood ruined by this garbage?


Oh god. It's that book.
 
2012-11-29 02:37:58 PM
They have obviously not seen the demon that is unleashed when I tell my 5 year old she can't watch another episode of Dora.
 
2012-11-29 02:40:08 PM

ChipNASA: What about this??

[wizard.gamebanana.com image 186x186] 

[i405.photobucket.com image 300x220]  

[images.wehaslinks.com image 320x200]


I laughed at these far more than I should have.
 
2012-11-29 02:42:58 PM

Mock26: She is just a mule smuggling illegal immigrants across the border.


Hmmm she is...

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-11-29 02:43:13 PM
I don't understand parents who put their kinds in front of Dora when there's actually good children's TV out there (My Little Pony, Olivia, Phineas and Ferb are all rather good).
 
2012-11-29 02:45:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: 1 July 2008

People have known about this for 4 years and didn't say anything?!

CSB:

My next door neighbor was really into the Pokemon trading cards. I never really liked them (played Magic myself), but he spent all his money on buying more and more cards. Now, his family was super religious, to the point where the mom home-schooled them to keep them away from the devil that was public school.

Anyway, he comes over one day with this box, and he's just bawling his eyes out. I asked him what's wrong and he says "My sister and I got in a big fight. She went on the internet and found this article proving that Pokemon were a creation by the devil to distract kids from God. My mom is making me give away all my cards!" I asked him what he wanted me to do and he just yells "get rid of them I don't care!" and throws the box down and runs home. Well I took the box, brought it down to the trading card store a few days later and ended up selling the lot for about $700 (this was back when those holo ones could go for $100 each). I was like 12-13 at the time so that was a shiat-ton of money.

Went to his house the next day and handed him $400 in cash and told him to go buy a Playstation 2. I took mine and bought an Xbox. He bought the sports/racing/non-violent games, and I took care of the gory, M-rated games. Worked out well for both of us.

/CSB


1) Awesome story. Too many on Fark would have kept the entire $700.
2) Your name has that song stuck in my head, particularly the start (... that Fiona and me do it in my van every Sunday; she tells him she's in church but she doesn't go still she's on her knees...) because of the mention of church in the story.
 
2012-11-29 02:50:25 PM

meanmutton: Phineas and Ferb


I try to get my son into Phineas and Ferb, but he just isn't old enough yet to enjoy it I guess (he gets angry when it comes on because that signals the end of the Disney Jr. Block, and no more Jake or Mickey).

He does find the original Looney Tunes hilarious though...makes me proud.

/He would also sit down with me and watch Batman: The Animated Series reruns on The Hub
 
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