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2012-11-29 11:11:31 AM
On the one hand, it's a gigantic offer. On the other hand, it's backloaded like a motherfarker. I'd HATE to see him leave, probably more than I've ever hated to see any player leave, but I can't say that I blame him for being hesitant.
 
2012-11-29 12:11:10 PM

FreakinB: On the one hand, it's a gigantic offer. On the other hand, it's backloaded like a motherfarker. I'd HATE to see him leave, probably more than I've ever hated to see any player leave, but I can't say that I blame him for being hesitant.


if the Mets let him go, I think I will done with baseball.
 
2012-11-29 12:52:46 PM

ManateeGag: FreakinB: On the one hand, it's a gigantic offer. On the other hand, it's backloaded like a motherfarker. I'd HATE to see him leave, probably more than I've ever hated to see any player leave, but I can't say that I blame him for being hesitant.

if the Mets let him go, I think I will done with baseball.


I wouldn't go that far, but it would be terrible. Also I probably should have said "deferred" instead of "backloaded".
 
2012-11-29 02:24:24 PM
My first thought when skimming through the numbers was "this doesn't seem like enough." Are teams looking for qualified 3rd basemen? Maybe theres one close by.
 
2012-11-29 02:28:23 PM

FreakinB: On the one hand, it's a gigantic offer. On the other hand, it's backloaded like a motherfarker. I'd HATE to see him leave, probably more than I've ever hated to see any player leave, but I can't say that I blame him for being hesitant.


Who farking cares if its backloaded, money is money. Its not like the owners of the Mets lost a bunch of money in a Ponzi scheme and the club is on the brink of financial disaster. He'll get his money.
 
2012-11-29 02:38:31 PM
I clicked on this expecting to see some bullshiat low-ball offer. But if Wright turns down 8/140 he's an idiot.
 
2012-11-29 03:06:04 PM

Shtetl G: FreakinB: On the one hand, it's a gigantic offer. On the other hand, it's backloaded like a motherfarker. I'd HATE to see him leave, probably more than I've ever hated to see any player leave, but I can't say that I blame him for being hesitant.

Who farking cares if its backloaded, money is money. Its not like the owners of the Mets lost a bunch of money in a Ponzi scheme and the club is on the brink of financial disaster. He'll get his money.


True, but 10m in 2020 is worth less than 10m now, not to mention that if you get that money now you get to invest it.

There's more to it than that (the backloading is like that, but the actually deferred money gains some interest or something) but that's part of it.

Still, I think Matt Cerrone at Metsblog is right. This deal is a lot of money, and Wright'll be 30 next year. If he doesn't have a big year, suddenly he's a 31 year old looking to sign a big contract, and maybe no one gives him 140m. Which is all to say, he signs.
 
2012-11-29 03:27:40 PM
I don't mean to sound like an antagonist - I almost feel some kind of similarity to Mets fans - but remember when David Wright and Jose Reyes were young and going to help lead the Mets to contention over the course of 5-10 years? Then they put Santana and Beltran in the mix, and there seemed to be a strong supporting cast in there...
Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.
 
2012-11-29 03:36:19 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.


2007 *killed* them. I'm not sure the team ever got past that collapse.
 
2012-11-29 03:39:30 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I don't mean to sound like an antagonist - I almost feel some kind of similarity to Mets fans - but remember when David Wright and Jose Reyes were young and going to help lead the Mets to contention over the course of 5-10 years? Then they put Santana and Beltran in the mix, and there seemed to be a strong supporting cast in there...
Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.


Jesus.

In what stupid universe is down to the wire in game 7 of the NLCS not close?

Unless we're looking only from when they got Santana on, which would be 2008. They had a good year in 2008.

In 2007 and 2008, they won 88 and 89 games. They came up a bit short, but saying they weren't close is stupid "they're the Mets so anything they've done must have been the worst of all possible worlds"-ism
 
2012-11-29 03:41:57 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I don't mean to sound like an antagonist - I almost feel some kind of similarity to Mets fans - but remember when David Wright and Jose Reyes were young and going to help lead the Mets to contention over the course of 5-10 years? Then they put Santana and Beltran in the mix, and there seemed to be a strong supporting cast in there...
Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.


They got close in 2006 (game 7 of the NLCS) with Beltran, Wright, and Reyes.

Their window was 2006-2008. After that, the injuries started to pile up and shiat just hit the fan. But in that window, they got damn close one year and got beat by the eventual World Series champs in another.

/And then there was 2007......
 
2012-11-29 03:45:41 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I don't mean to sound like an antagonist - I almost feel some kind of similarity to Mets fans - but remember when David Wright and Jose Reyes were young and going to help lead the Mets to contention over the course of 5-10 years? Then they put Santana and Beltran in the mix, and there seemed to be a strong supporting cast in there...
Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.


I know it seems like the Mets have been awful forever, but in actuality they were a nasty Adam Wainright curve away from the World Series in '06.

/was there
//Endy Chavez's catch
///followed by soul crushing disappointment
////at least I got to mope with Steve Summers on the 7 train home
 
2012-11-29 03:47:34 PM

fuzzy dunlop: Nana's Vibrator: I don't mean to sound like an antagonist - I almost feel some kind of similarity to Mets fans - but remember when David Wright and Jose Reyes were young and going to help lead the Mets to contention over the course of 5-10 years? Then they put Santana and Beltran in the mix, and there seemed to be a strong supporting cast in there...
Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.

I know it seems like the Mets have been awful forever, but in actuality they were a nasty Adam Wainright curve away from the World Series in '06.

/was there
//Endy Chavez's catch
///followed by soul crushing disappointment
////at least I got to mope with Steve Summers on the 7 train home


That's my fault. Sorry.

/Mets, 7-0 in playoff games I've been to.
//Had a ticket and couldn't get back to NY for game 7.
 
2012-11-29 04:55:39 PM

thecpt: My first thought when skimming through the numbers was "this doesn't seem like enough." Are teams looking for qualified 3rd basemen? Maybe theres one close by.


Yankees.
 
2012-11-29 05:29:00 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I don't mean to sound like an antagonist - I almost feel some kind of similarity to Mets fans - but remember when David Wright and Jose Reyes were young and going to help lead the Mets to contention over the course of 5-10 years? Then they put Santana and Beltran in the mix, and there seemed to be a strong supporting cast in there...
Correct me if I'm wrong but It's not like "they just never put it together". It's like they never even got close.


you know what helps? more than one good pitcher. you know what also helps? hitting with people on base.
 
2012-11-29 06:14:03 PM

fuzzy dunlop: I know it seems like the Mets have been awful forever, but in actuality they were a nasty Adam Wainright curve away from the World Series in '06.


I don't blame Beltran for that at all. That pitch from Wainwright would have fooled Tony Gwynn. I blame Arron farking Heilman and his pitching making Yadier Molina look like Reggie Jackson...
 
2012-11-29 06:16:20 PM

Terlis: fuzzy dunlop: I know it seems like the Mets have been awful forever, but in actuality they were a nasty Adam Wainright curve away from the World Series in '06.

I don't blame Beltran for that at all. That pitch from Wainwright would have fooled Tony Gwynn. I blame Arron farking Heilman and his pitching making Yadier Molina look like Reggie Jackson...


The Mets probably don't get there without Heilman, shocking as that is.

Well, they were like 40 games ahead of everyone that year, so maybe they get there anyway. But Heilman was a very underappreciated pitcher for a few years.

He then sucked, after 2006. Which didn't win him any fans.

If you're looking for someone to blame, blame whatever taxi driver got into a wreck with Duaner Sanchez in the car, or blame El Duque and Pedro for being old and having limbs fall off in September.
 
2012-11-29 06:24:09 PM
And in other NL East news, the Nats traded for Denard Span.
 
2012-11-29 06:27:26 PM

Joe_diGriz: And in other NL East news, the Nats traded for Denard Span.


Quietly, the best team in the NL East picks up another 4.8 worth of WAR, at least according to last year's numbers.
 
2012-11-29 06:27:51 PM

Dafatone: taxi driver got into a wreck with Duaner Sanchez


Good lord, I forgot about that. Sanchez was lights out during the season....
 
2012-11-29 06:56:21 PM

Terlis: fuzzy dunlop: I know it seems like the Mets have been awful forever, but in actuality they were a nasty Adam Wainright curve away from the World Series in '06.

I don't blame Beltran for that at all. That pitch from Wainwright would have fooled Tony Gwynn. I blame Arron farking Heilman and his pitching making Yadier Molina look like Reggie Jackson...


I don't blame Beltran at all either... he had 3 HRs in that series, as part of his MO as one of baseballs greatest postseason hitters. Was just looking at stats and you know who was most decidedly not awesome for the Mets in that postseason run? Billy Wagner and his 10.40 ERA.
 
2012-11-29 07:52:41 PM

FreakinB: On the one hand, it's a gigantic offer. On the other hand, it's backloaded like a motherfarker. I'd HATE to see him leave, probably more than I've ever hated to see any player leave, but I can't say that I blame him for being hesitant.


To be fair, almost all MLB teams are going to backload their contracts a bit this year, even more than they normally do. They want the biggest money-paying years to come after the new national TV deal kicks in, in 2014, and they have even more money rolling in. The Mets might go even farther than most teams would with deferred money, but no team is going to spread out the money evenly over a long-term contract.
 
2012-11-29 07:54:46 PM
Quietly, the best team in the NL East picks up another 4.8 worth of WAR, at least according to last year's numbers.

a .738 OPS is worth 5 wins? Jesus, no wonder I don't give any creedence to them new fangled statisticy thingies.
 
2012-11-29 08:28:47 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Quietly, the best team in the NL East picks up another 4.8 worth of WAR, at least according to last year's numbers.

a .738 OPS is worth 5 wins? Jesus, no wonder I don't give any creedence to them new fangled statisticy thingies.


Its from his defense. Granted, last year was a little bit of an outlier by b-r's stats, but the guy is definitely a very good defensive CF with a slightly above average bat.
 
2012-11-29 09:06:54 PM

Rex_Banner: Why Would I Read the Article: Quietly, the best team in the NL East picks up another 4.8 worth of WAR, at least according to last year's numbers.

a .738 OPS is worth 5 wins? Jesus, no wonder I don't give any creedence to them new fangled statisticy thingies.

Its from his defense. Granted, last year was a little bit of an outlier by b-r's stats, but the guy is definitely a very good defensive CF with a slightly above average bat.


Also, that .738 OPS was worth a 105 OPS+. Offense is down.
 
2012-11-29 09:34:11 PM
Mariano gets $10M/1 +incentives
Chan Ho Park retires.
 
2012-11-30 01:17:37 AM
The '06 Mets put up an excellent fight in one of the best postseason series of all time. That year was hardly a failure for them. I'm not a Mets fan at all, but I respect them for giving me that fun series to watch.
 
2012-11-30 02:44:44 AM
From what I hear, Wright just accepted the deal.
 
2012-11-30 03:09:49 AM
According to WFAN's Ed Coleman, the Mets and David Wright have agreed to terms on a new contract extension that will be the richest in team history

In an on-air report at 3 am, Coleman said the deal will cover the next eight years and pay Wright $138 million. He will earn his $16 million next year, which was part of his previous contract, after which he will earn $122 million the following seven seasons.

http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-and-david-wright-agree-to-contract- e xtension-per-metswfan/
 
2012-11-30 03:34:17 AM
Boom!

Maybe this deal looks bad towards the tail end, when after 5 years the Mets haven't really gotten anywhere and now 35 year old David Wright is worth less than he's getting.

But this is a New York team that should be able to resign the (second?) best position player they've ever had. Certainly, if they traded him or let him go, they almost certainly weren't going to get anyone better than he is. While the Mets are "rebuilding," it would be idiotic to not have a competitive team in the plans sometime in the next five years.
 
2012-11-30 05:29:29 AM

Dafatone: But this is a New York team that should be able to resign the (second?) best position player they've ever had.


No, he will be the best position player. David is currently the Mets leader in hits, runs, walks, doubles, and RBI. He's 48 HR behind Strawberry for first place there. Doubt he will ever steal enough bases to pass Reyes, though. I wish the Mets had kept Reyes last year, but they weren't going to pay him the money Miami (and now Toronto) eventually did. Would have been great to see those two for the next 5 years here...

In the long run, the Mets had to do this deal. Never understood the hate Wright gets from some Mets "fans." The dude has averaged a .301/26/105 line with gold glove level 3B for the 9 years he has been here. He is simply one of the top 5 3B in the game right now. Any team would kill for that.
 
2012-11-30 08:58:52 AM
I was happy to see the news post on their site earlier this morning. He's been one of the few bright spots the Mets have had over the past decade and it would have been a shame to see him go.

Dafatone: But this is a New York team that should be able to resign the (second?) best position player they've ever had.


I think at this point he's probably earned the mantle of "best position player" the Mets have had. Most guys just don't stick around long enough and move on to other teams once they see the Mets just don't have it "this year" (or most years). If he had said no and went elsewhere I wouldn't have blamed him, the guy wants to win a world series just like every other ball player.

Would have been fun to see Wright and Reyes as Mets their entire career, alas Reyes...

Terlis: Never understood the hate Wright gets from some Mets "fans."


Heh. They must be the same "fans" that are shocked when things fall after the all-star break. Rule #1 of being a Mets fan "don't expect too much and enjoy the successes whenever that may miraculously happen." Seriously, it saves on indigestion medication.
 
2012-11-30 11:44:46 AM

Terlis: Dafatone: But this is a New York team that should be able to resign the (second?) best position player they've ever had.

No, he will be the best position player. David is currently the Mets leader in hits, runs, walks, doubles, and RBI. He's 48 HR behind Strawberry for first place there. Doubt he will ever steal enough bases to pass Reyes, though. I wish the Mets had kept Reyes last year, but they weren't going to pay him the money Miami (and now Toronto) eventually did. Would have been great to see those two for the next 5 years here...

In the long run, the Mets had to do this deal. Never understood the hate Wright gets from some Mets "fans." The dude has averaged a .301/26/105 line with gold glove level 3B for the 9 years he has been here. He is simply one of the top 5 3B in the game right now. Any team would kill for that.


Will be the best, obviously. I just meant at this moment. And he's probably the best at the moment. I just have too much of a soft spot for Strawberry.

Reyes was my favorite Met at the time and losing him sucked. But, that's too much money that he got.
 
2012-11-30 12:21:54 PM

Dafatone: Will be the best, obviously. I just meant at this moment. And he's probably the best at the moment. I just have too much of a soft spot for Strawberry.


If Strawberry had stayed in NY for another 4 or 5 years I might be swayed to an argument for him. Even then I'd argue for HoJo over Strawberry because he was my favorite back in the day. Neither of them were better overall (offense + defense) than Wright is at the moment. If we were basing this on best overall 5-8 year span as a Met Piazza would have a case for best position player the Mets had and he couldn't throw out my grandmother trying to steal second. (I'm just waiting for an old-timey Met fan to mention Kingman).
 
2012-11-30 01:14:56 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: Dafatone: Will be the best, obviously. I just meant at this moment. And he's probably the best at the moment. I just have too much of a soft spot for Strawberry.

If Strawberry had stayed in NY for another 4 or 5 years I might be swayed to an argument for him. Even then I'd argue for HoJo over Strawberry because he was my favorite back in the day. Neither of them were better overall (offense + defense) than Wright is at the moment. If we were basing this on best overall 5-8 year span as a Met Piazza would have a case for best position player the Mets had and he couldn't throw out my grandmother trying to steal second. (I'm just waiting for an old-timey Met fan to mention Kingman).


Yeah, my hesitancy on calling Wright the best also let Piazza in there.

If we're talking purely about quality of play while with the team and throwing out longevity, I vote John Olerud.
 
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