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(Rochester Democrat and Chronicle)   Anti-tax Republican who promised during her election campaign not to raise taxes plans to charge property owners $5.3 million for snow removal this winter. Her response to critics? "It's not a tax, It's a fee for services." Oh, OK then   (democratandchronicle.com) divider line 105
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2012-11-29 11:21:52 AM
Damnit, "were" not "we're" - stupid phone.
 
2012-11-29 11:22:04 AM

Headso: coeyagi: What does the Americans for Fee for Services Reform think?

I tried to get a Fee'd Enough Already party going but they all thought I was trying to get them to eat healthy like Moocheele 0bummer.


+1 golf_clap.jpg
 
2012-11-29 11:22:31 AM

sprawl15: urbangirl: Isn't this exactly the same thing Rmoney did while guv of massachusetts? Allowed him to later brag about not raising taxes...

Now, with video goodness.


Thanks. Both my post and me, personally, have now been enhanced and improved.
 
2012-11-29 11:22:32 AM

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]


Not a receipt, either.
 
2012-11-29 11:23:24 AM

Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.


It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.
 
2012-11-29 11:24:10 AM

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]


sprawl 15,

Perhaps I'm missing the "joke" but you do know that purported receipt was proven to be phony long ago right? The NY Post, even retracted the story and noted that Michelle Obama wasn't even in NYC that day, much less staying at the Waldorf.
 
2012-11-29 11:25:31 AM
who the hell spends $400 on lobster?
 
2012-11-29 11:28:21 AM

lawboy87: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]

sprawl 15,

Perhaps I'm missing the "joke" but you do know that purported receipt was proven to be phony long ago right? The NY Post, even retracted the story and noted that Michelle Obama wasn't even in NYC that day, much less staying at the Waldorf.


If you think you can get Bollinger for $44 room service at the Waldorf Astoria I have a bridge or two to sell you. They charge more than $20 for a Bagel.
 
2012-11-29 11:30:16 AM

CPennypacker: lawboy87: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]

sprawl 15,

Perhaps I'm missing the "joke" but you do know that purported receipt was proven to be phony long ago right? The NY Post, even retracted the story and noted that Michelle Obama wasn't even in NYC that day, much less staying at the Waldorf.

If you think you can get Bollinger for $44 room service at the Waldorf Astoria I have a bridge or two to sell you. They charge more than $20 for a Bagel.


It was a typo. It was actually "Boone's Farm"
 
2012-11-29 11:30:42 AM
Not a sax:
beatspieceslondon.files.wordpress.com

Sax:
www.icangiveyouhouse.com
 
2012-11-29 11:31:11 AM

CPennypacker: If you think you can get Bollinger for $44 room service at the Waldorf Astoria I have a bridge or two to sell you.


The Waldorf Astoria didn't have a button for corking fee on blue raspberry Mad Dog 20/20, so they used the 'shot of Bollinger' button.
 
2012-11-29 11:31:42 AM

AdamK: who the hell spends $400 on lobster?


Fake people who show up on p-shopped receipts.
 
2012-11-29 11:33:08 AM
Damn liberal weather! The streets should be shoveled by anyone mooching off the government! Surely that would be less expensive and more efficient than me having to pay $50.
 
2012-11-29 11:34:18 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, calling a mandate a fee and not a new tax is a Republican thing huh?


Again, we're not picking on this because the perpetrator is Republican, we're picking on this because the USSC made a ruling that you can't do this shiat less than two months ago. In an extremely public way, published across the US.
 
2012-11-29 11:34:20 AM
serendipiteeblog.files.wordpress.com

Not dubstep.

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

Dubstep.
 
2012-11-29 11:36:19 AM

CPennypacker: lawboy87: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]

sprawl 15,

Perhaps I'm missing the "joke" but you do know that purported receipt was proven to be phony long ago right? The NY Post, even retracted the story and noted that Michelle Obama wasn't even in NYC that day, much less staying at the Waldorf.

If you think you can get Bollinger for $44 room service at the Waldorf Astoria I have a bridge or two to sell you. They charge more than $20 for a Bagel.


I can't believe that thing got any play at all, it had to be put together by someone who has never dined anywhere there wasn't a special going on.

"Hmmm, what's expensive food? I know lobster! And caviar! I saw that in a movie. Wait...IRANIAN caviar! I'm a farking genius."
 
2012-11-29 11:36:35 AM

Headso: Republicans are in favor of all the regressive ways to get money out of the population. That's why republican states with no income taxes usually have high fees, fines, property taxes, sales taxes and any other scheme they can to get most of their operating budgets out of the poor and middle class.


Precisely, and they do it all under the banner that they're "reducing the size of intrustive government."

/By the way, I love that Teatarded Kansas is running a budget deficit right now.
 
2012-11-29 11:37:37 AM

KrispyKritter: you wouldn't be happy if they charge nothing and just let the snow pile up either now would you? no, i don't think you would. shiat costs money, you know that.



I'd be fine with doing it myself. The problem is I would only do the least amount I needed for me to personally get by and not a single thing more, and they tend to frown on letting snow pile up on say the sidewalks. If the county wants to do it for me then it should let me opt in to the service instead of forcing me to pay for the service.
 
2012-11-29 11:38:58 AM

KrispyKritter: you wouldn't be happy if they charge nothing and just let the snow pile up either now would you? no, i don't think you would. shiat costs money, you know that.


No one is making that argument. You are arguing with no one.
 
2012-11-29 11:39:11 AM
Cool. Since I didn't request that particular service I shouldn't have to pay for it.
 
2012-11-29 11:39:54 AM

Speaker2Animals: monoski: Technically she is correct. My township has all sorts of "fees" that I have no choice to opt in or out of so I tried to declare these as taxes paid. The accountant said, No.

If this woman ever gets re-elected, the voters deserve every stupid fee they have to pay.


really this fits right in with the regular GOP theme of privatize all non-essential govt services. Voters have to be complete morons to think this will save them money.
 
2012-11-29 11:40:28 AM
Of course it is a tax, if the voter felll for that and voted her in on that reason only they are fools. No goverment does anything for free. If they don't want to pay it they can go out and shovel the roads themselves.
 
2012-11-29 11:41:55 AM
Not a meme:

www.lossimpsons.net

A meme:

drawception.com
 
2012-11-29 11:42:50 AM

HotWingConspiracy: CPennypacker: lawboy87: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]

sprawl 15,

Perhaps I'm missing the "joke" but you do know that purported receipt was proven to be phony long ago right? The NY Post, even retracted the story and noted that Michelle Obama wasn't even in NYC that day, much less staying at the Waldorf.

If you think you can get Bollinger for $44 room service at the Waldorf Astoria I have a bridge or two to sell you. They charge more than $20 for a Bagel.

I can't believe that thing got any play at all, it had to be put together by someone who has never dined anywhere there wasn't a special going on.

"Hmmm, what's expensive food? I know lobster! And caviar! I saw that in a movie. Wait...IRANIAN caviar! I'm a farking genius."


Does anyone else remember Dempsey & Makepeace?

medien.filmreporter.de

That was the premise of the pilot episode. NYPD Lieutenant on an exchange and a London Metropolitan Police Officer investigating an Iranian black market caviar smuggling operation.

It's nice that people still appreciate the obscure 80s TV shows. 

/I think they're still married.
 
2012-11-29 11:43:07 AM

Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.


It is they think the money they pay all goes to lazy black people who refuse to work and to "government waste". I's hysterical how they believe they never use any government service.
 
2012-11-29 11:44:18 AM
That's why today I'm proposing a temporary refund adjustment.
 
2012-11-29 11:44:44 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Arkanaut: Vlad_the_Inaner: It's a fee, because the payment required is exactly proportional to the work and effort required to perform the task, in each particular instance.

Oh wait.

Its not.

it's proportional to an accessed property value.

It's a tax.

Shhh. Maybe if Obama can convince the Republicans to charge a "social insurance fee" or some bullshiat "instead" of a tax, they'll be able to come to an agreement on this whole fiscal cliff deal.

And invalidate Chief Justice Robert's reasoning that the mandate was constitutional because it was effectively a tax?


Well, Grover Norquist isn't the Supreme Court. What's he going to do, sue them for breaking the pledge?
 
2012-11-29 11:45:47 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I can't believe that thing got any play at all, it had to be put together by someone who has never dined anywhere there wasn't a special going on.


Consider for a moment just how much 'play' the Teleprompter thing got.

There are tens of millions of people who, apparently, never noticed those little clear rectangle thingies in front of famous people for over 30 years. So no, nothing surprises me about them. Nothing.
 
2012-11-29 11:45:50 AM

Whodat: Cool. Since I didn't request that particular service I shouldn't have to pay for it.


You're paying for it in this case. You don't get to opt out. It's on the damn tax bill.
 
2012-11-29 11:47:30 AM

Whodat: Cool. Since I didn't request that particular service I shouldn't have to pay for it.


I bet you'd complain like crazy if they didn't plow the roads, though.
 
2012-11-29 11:48:19 AM

RoxtarRyan: That's why today I'm proposing a temporary refund adjustment.


Is it part of the secret plan?
 
2012-11-29 11:48:34 AM
From the NOAA article, "The more we dig into this[NOAA] shadowy, quasi-military organization, the more we're frightened."

Oh. My. God.
 
2012-11-29 11:49:08 AM

KarmicDisaster: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.


I like how his excuse was "trying to get all that out of state money, and not punish locals who use the roads." He's just angry about all those commuters who cross state lines. Basically, it's a way to collect taxes on people who go to MN or Iowa for cheaper gas, since WI generally has a 40 cent tax on gas and what have you. I would personally rather get taxed more at the pump once every 2 weeks than 2 times a day to farking work.
 
2012-11-29 11:51:29 AM

AppleOptionEsc: KarmicDisaster: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.

I like how his excuse was "trying to get all that out of state money, and not punish locals who use the roads." He's just angry about all those commuters who cross state lines. Basically, it's a way to collect taxes on people who go to MN or Iowa for cheaper gas, since WI generally has a 40 cent tax on gas and what have you. I would personally rather get taxed more at the pump once every 2 weeks than 2 times a day to farking work.


Prices aren't as different as they used to be... that or I'm gassing up in the wrong places when I'm home.
 
2012-11-29 11:51:39 AM
Ahhh... the Romney method.
 
2012-11-29 11:56:28 AM

HeartBurnKid: Ahhh... the Romney method.


You could also call it the Texas method, the Pawlenty method, the Walker method....
 
2012-11-29 11:58:44 AM

AppleOptionEsc: KarmicDisaster: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.

I like how his excuse was "trying to get all that out of state money, and not punish locals who use the roads." He's just angry about all those commuters who cross state lines. Basically, it's a way to collect taxes on people who go to MN or Iowa for cheaper gas, since WI generally has a 40 cent tax on gas and what have you. I would personally rather get taxed more at the pump once every 2 weeks than 2 times a day to farking work.


That's ok...by banning abortions in Wisconsin and making it a right to work state that will fix everything.
 
2012-11-29 12:01:26 PM

eagles95: AppleOptionEsc: KarmicDisaster: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.

I like how his excuse was "trying to get all that out of state money, and not punish locals who use the roads." He's just angry about all those commuters who cross state lines. Basically, it's a way to collect taxes on people who go to MN or Iowa for cheaper gas, since WI generally has a 40 cent tax on gas and what have you. I would personally rather get taxed more at the pump once every 2 weeks than 2 times a day to farking work.

That's ok...by banning abortions in Wisconsin and making it a right to work state that will fix everything.


WI will get what they deserve......now if only they'd Tea Bag their education further they could join their southern brethren in illiteracy rates thus giving MN more reasons to scoff at them.
 
2012-11-29 12:01:29 PM
1. Raise the fark out of their taxes
2. Call it 'guillotine avoidance fee'
3. Profit!
 
2012-11-29 12:03:20 PM

Drasancas: I don't pay income tax. I pay a U.S. Residency Fee.



GTFO
 
2012-11-29 12:05:21 PM

KarmicDisaster: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.


Wisconsin voters elected Walker TWICE now. Those mouthbreathing dipshiats deserve everything they're getting. Fark 'em, maybe they're learn from their mistake and take their voting seriously next time.

see also, my home state of NC. We're getting ready to get teabagged with a vengeance because of biblethumping cousin-humpers in the far western and eastern parts of the state voting in this batch of clowns. Most of those whitetrash idiots are on govt assistance of some sort, and I facepalm every time I hear one of them prattle on about Big Guvment.
 
2012-11-29 12:22:21 PM

Johnny Swank: Those mouthbreathing dipshiats deserve everything they're getting.


yeah, unfortunately those of us who voted against this asshat will be getting everything they deserved to.
 
2012-11-29 12:22:38 PM
Sounds like she learned from the Mitt Romney School of Governing.
 
2012-11-29 12:22:57 PM
Do they want the snow removed or not? Just don't pay for it and see how they like it.
 
2012-11-29 12:24:41 PM

coeyagi: AdamK: who the hell spends $400 on lobster?

Fake people who show up on p-shopped receipts.


Don't be dissing Michelle just because her handwriting is perfectly invariable and consistent!
 
2012-11-29 12:27:38 PM
It's a win-win for this mouthbreathing idiot. If the courts let it stand, you win. If the courts strike it down, tell the residents that activist judges are the reason there's no snow cleanup.
 
2012-11-29 12:29:49 PM

Citrate1007: eagles95: AppleOptionEsc: KarmicDisaster: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

It is true. In Wisconsin Walker wants to make the roads toll roads, because that "isn't a tax", you don't "have" to use the roads, you could walk.

I like how his excuse was "trying to get all that out of state money, and not punish locals who use the roads." He's just angry about all those commuters who cross state lines. Basically, it's a way to collect taxes on people who go to MN or Iowa for cheaper gas, since WI generally has a 40 cent tax on gas and what have you. I would personally rather get taxed more at the pump once every 2 weeks than 2 times a day to farking work.

That's ok...by banning abortions in Wisconsin and making it a right to work state that will fix everything.

WI will get what they deserve......now if only they'd Tea Bag their education further they could join their southern brethren in illiteracy rates thus giving MN more reasons to scoff at them.


Keep scoffing...i'm looking at moving next year. Too bad your Vikings still suck. I will miss the beer and cheese though
 
2012-11-29 12:42:41 PM
Frank Murkowski did this years back when he became Governor of Alaska. Campaigned on a platform of "no taxes", but immediately implemented a series of "user fees" on everything he could think of as soon as he took office.

It was these kinds of shenanigans, combined with a complete disdain for the press and his constituency, that allowed Sarah Palin to successfully defeat him in the next election. And y'all know how that turned out.
 
2012-11-29 01:06:19 PM

Citrate1007: Jackson Herring: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

This is literally true. Mort Roomney raised "fees" by millions of dollars while he was governer of MA.

Tim Pawlenty did it too in order to keep his no taxes pledge when he was Governor of MN. Except his fee's were ruled unconstitutional because they were really taxes. State budget looked great but property taxes went through the roof because the burden for mandatory services was pushed to the municipal levels.


Yep, Tom Corbett in PA has already gotten a lot of flack for pushing new fees into place after running an anti-tax campaign in 2010. They seriously all play by the same horrible playbook. Most likely written by the Koch Bros.
 
2012-11-29 02:29:54 PM
At least the service fees on tea won't go up!
 
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