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(Rochester Democrat and Chronicle)   Anti-tax Republican who promised during her election campaign not to raise taxes plans to charge property owners $5.3 million for snow removal this winter. Her response to critics? "It's not a tax, It's a fee for services." Oh, OK then   (democratandchronicle.com) divider line 105
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2012-11-29 10:49:27 AM
Maybe we could charge those lucky few who made millions on the backs of American workers and America's multi-billion dollar infrastructure a few "fees", too.

/naw, just kidding. they "earned" it all by their ubermensch selves.
 
2012-11-29 10:50:49 AM
The charge will appear on the county tax bill next year as a separate line item and be based on the assessed valuation of property.

Its takes some real bullshiattery not to call these property taxes.
 
2012-11-29 10:51:35 AM
This is what conservatives really think.
 
2012-11-29 10:52:04 AM
If I don't pay the "fee" for the redundant F-35 engine, does it go away?
 
2012-11-29 10:52:45 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 10:53:18 AM
Read my lips, no new fees for services.
 
2012-11-29 10:53:57 AM
I don't pay income tax. I pay a U.S. Residency Fee.
 
2012-11-29 10:55:59 AM

Drasancas: I don't pay income tax. I pay a U.S. Residency Fee.


[thatsthejoke.jpg]
 
2012-11-29 10:56:13 AM

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]


Rich people eat lobsters. That's what they do.
 
2012-11-29 10:57:04 AM
Actually this is an opportunity to satisfy the High Priest, Grover Norquist. The Republicans in Congress aren't going to renege on their anti-tax pledges, they're going to institute National Service Fees on income, sales, and capital gains.
 
2012-11-29 10:57:43 AM
Fortunately for her, as long as she never used the dreaded T word, the teabaggers won't think it's socialism.
 
2012-11-29 10:57:47 AM
A fee for service ... kind of like an insurance premium. It's no big deal when we do it.
 
2012-11-29 10:58:04 AM

Rapmaster2000: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]

Rich people eat lobsters. That's what they do.


Syria is Iran's route to the caviar farms.
 
2012-11-29 10:58:22 AM
Didn't the USSC just say you couldn't do this in the ACA ruling?
 
2012-11-29 10:58:25 AM

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]


Not a tax:

www.fas.org

Tax:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-29 10:58:51 AM
Republicans are in favor of all the regressive ways to get money out of the population. That's why republican states with no income taxes usually have high fees, fines, property taxes, sales taxes and any other scheme they can to get most of their operating budgets out of the poor and middle class.
 
2012-11-29 10:59:19 AM

Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.


This is literally true. Mort Roomney raised "fees" by millions of dollars while he was governer of MA.
 
2012-11-29 10:59:34 AM
Fees are what nourish capitalism. Taxes are what feed socialism. Duh.
 
2012-11-29 10:59:35 AM
The charge will appear on the county tax bill next year as a separate line item and be based on the assessed valuation of property.

I'd love to see a company try to set their service fees based on this.

"Well, we sprayed for pests and your lot is smaller than others - but the location is so good that it's value is higher. So we're gonna have to charge you more. Have a good day!"
 
2012-11-29 11:00:33 AM
Wasn't that the original argument about the mandate in ObamaCare, that it wasn't a tax. I seem to recall the "walk like a duck, quack like a duck" line from the GOP then.
 
2012-11-29 11:02:24 AM

Nurglitch: Actually this is an opportunity to satisfy the High Priest, Grover Norquist. The Republicans in Congress aren't going to renege on their anti-tax pledges, they're going to institute National Service Fees on income, sales, and capital gains.


Tim Pawlenty tried that here in MN during his tenure - it sort of backfired.
 
2012-11-29 11:02:25 AM
you wouldn't be happy if they charge nothing and just let the snow pile up either now would you? no, i don't think you would. shiat costs money, you know that.
 
2012-11-29 11:03:40 AM
It's a fee, because the payment required is exactly proportional to the work and effort required to perform the task, in each particular instance.

Oh wait.

Its not.

it's proportional to an accessed property value.

It's a tax.
 
2012-11-29 11:03:55 AM

sdd2000: Wasn't that the original argument about the mandate in ObamaCare, that it wasn't a tax. I seem to recall the "walk like a duck, quack like a duck" line from the GOP then.


If it herps like a duck, derps like a duck...must be socialism.

// since the GOP won't call it a tax, it's not a tax. QED
// stands for "Queers, Evil Democrats"
 
2012-11-29 11:04:16 AM

sprawl15: Rapmaster2000: sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 327x387]

Rich people eat lobsters. That's what they do.

Syria is Iran's route to the caviar farms.


And check it out... $44 for a split of champagne! $44! That's very expensive and it's Bollinger too. That's like the best stuff.
 
2012-11-29 11:05:00 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: accessed property value.


errr, make that "assessed"
 
2012-11-29 11:08:26 AM
Nothing new, they've been at this for years.

"No new taxes! (your fishing license will cost $10,000 dollars though, it's a fee)"

In case anyone has missed it, republicans don't cut spending, which means they have to find money somewhere. So now you get fees, and the shiat eater you just voted in gets to run on not having raised taxes. And you'll vote for them again, because taxes.
 
2012-11-29 11:08:30 AM
Fees, shorty. Fees.

blogs.sohh.com
 
2012-11-29 11:09:22 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: It's a fee, because the payment required is exactly proportional to the work and effort required to perform the task, in each particular instance.

Oh wait.

Its not.

it's proportional to an accessed property value.

It's a tax.


Shhh. Maybe if Obama can convince the Republicans to charge a "social insurance fee" or some bullshiat "instead" of a tax, they'll be able to come to an agreement on this whole fiscal cliff deal.
 
2012-11-29 11:10:36 AM

Jackson Herring: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

This is literally true. Mort Roomney raised "fees" by millions of dollars while he was governer of MA.


Tim Pawlenty did it too in order to keep his no taxes pledge when he was Governor of MN. Except his fee's were ruled unconstitutional because they were really taxes. State budget looked great but property taxes went through the roof because the burden for mandatory services was pushed to the municipal levels.
 
2012-11-29 11:10:45 AM

Arkanaut: Vlad_the_Inaner: It's a fee, because the payment required is exactly proportional to the work and effort required to perform the task, in each particular instance.

Oh wait.

Its not.

it's proportional to an accessed property value.

It's a tax.

Shhh. Maybe if Obama can convince the Republicans to charge a "social insurance fee" or some bullshiat "instead" of a tax, they'll be able to come to an agreement on this whole fiscal cliff deal.


"Fee" sounds like money that is helping a Job Creator put people to work.

"Tax" sounds like money that is helping a drug using welfare queen pay for her two Cadillacs.
 
2012-11-29 11:11:05 AM

Superjew: Maybe we could charge those lucky few who made millions on the backs of American workers and America's multi-billion dollar infrastructure a few "fees", too.

/naw, just kidding. they "earned" it all by their ubermensch selves.


What about the people who make millions not on the backs of American workers?
 
2012-11-29 11:12:20 AM

tricycleracer: Arkanaut: Vlad_the_Inaner: It's a fee, because the payment required is exactly proportional to the work and effort required to perform the task, in each particular instance.

Oh wait.

Its not.

it's proportional to an accessed property value.

It's a tax.

Shhh. Maybe if Obama can convince the Republicans to charge a "social insurance fee" or some bullshiat "instead" of a tax, they'll be able to come to an agreement on this whole fiscal cliff deal.

"Fee" sounds like money that is helping a Job Creator put people to work.

"Tax" sounds like money that is helping a drug using welfare queen pay for her two Cadillacs.


I would also guess that "fee" sounds voluntary, but "tax" is mandatory.
 
2012-11-29 11:12:40 AM

impaler: Read my lips, no new fees for services.


Rich people LOVE fee-for-service. It cuts down on having to associate with the poors.
 
2012-11-29 11:13:50 AM

ghare: impaler: Read my lips, no new fees for services.

Rich people LOVE fee-for-service. It cuts down on having to associate with the poors.


It's also nice and regressive.
 
2012-11-29 11:14:11 AM
Since this "isn't" a property tax, does that mean homeowners won't be able to deduct it from the federal taxes?
 
2012-11-29 11:15:08 AM
Technically she is correct. My township has all sorts of "fees" that I have no choice to opt in or out of so I tried to declare these as taxes paid. The accountant said, No.
 
2012-11-29 11:15:26 AM
Not Awacs:

www.es.northropgrumman.com

Wax:

www.veganbeautyreview.com
 
2012-11-29 11:15:46 AM
So, calling a mandate a fee and not a new tax is a Republican thing huh?
 
2012-11-29 11:16:16 AM

qorkfiend: I would also guess that "fee" sounds voluntary, but "tax" is mandatory.


Kind of like "non-refundable pet deposit".
 
2012-11-29 11:17:28 AM
What does the Americans for Fee for Services Reform think?

Something something bathtub something.
 
2012-11-29 11:17:28 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, calling a mandate a fee and not a new tax is a Republican thing huh?


Romneycare
 
2012-11-29 11:17:32 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, calling a mandate a fee and not a new tax is a Republican thing huh?


No, but it's especially hilarious when they do it to their brain dead constituents.
 
2012-11-29 11:17:42 AM
Isn't this exactly the same thing Rmoney did while guv of massachusetts? Allowed him to later brag about not raising taxes...
 
2012-11-29 11:18:29 AM

HotWingConspiracy: In case anyone has missed it, republicans don't cut spending, which means they have to find money somewhere. So now you get fees, and the shiat eater you just voted in gets to run on not having raised taxes. And you'll vote for them again, because taxes.


Or realize a Democrat will be elected to clean up the mess, so they'll be able to go nuclear on the "huge deficit tax and spenders," after spending eight years not saying a f*cking thing about their president's deficits.
 
2012-11-29 11:19:26 AM

urbangirl: Isn't this exactly the same thing Rmoney did while guv of massachusetts? Allowed him to later brag about not raising taxes...


Now, with video goodness.
 
2012-11-29 11:19:28 AM

Arkanaut: Vlad_the_Inaner: It's a fee, because the payment required is exactly proportional to the work and effort required to perform the task, in each particular instance.

Oh wait.

Its not.

it's proportional to an accessed property value.

It's a tax.

Shhh. Maybe if Obama can convince the Republicans to charge a "social insurance fee" or some bullshiat "instead" of a tax, they'll be able to come to an agreement on this whole fiscal cliff deal.


And invalidate Chief Justice Robert's reasoning that the mandate was constitutional because it was effectively a tax?
 
2012-11-29 11:20:13 AM

monoski: Technically she is correct. My township has all sorts of "fees" that I have no choice to opt in or out of so I tried to declare these as taxes paid. The accountant said, No.


If this woman ever gets re-elected, the voters deserve every stupid fee they have to pay.
 
2012-11-29 11:20:32 AM

coeyagi: What does the Americans for Fee for Services Reform think?


I tried to get a Fee'd Enough Already party going but they all thought I was trying to get them to eat healthy like Moocheele 0bummer.
 
2012-11-29 11:20:47 AM

Citrate1007: Jackson Herring: Citrate1007: This is what conservatives really think.

This is literally true. Mort Roomney raised "fees" by millions of dollars while he was governer of MA.

Tim Pawlenty did it too in order to keep his no taxes pledge when he was Governor of MN. Except his fee's were ruled unconstitutional because they were really taxes. State budget looked great but property taxes went through the roof because the burden for mandatory services was pushed to the municipal levels.


I was a judicial clerk back when that happened - oh, we're we happy to see Pawlenty get shut down, especially since he treated us like an agency instead of an equal branch of government.
 
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