plumbicon: Do your research, folks. My money goes to the Salvation Army.
monoski: Charity, the GOP's idea of a social net. What could possibly go wrong?
OldManDownDRoad: Amos Quito: themasterdebater: Sorry, did someone forget that a non-profit is a business like every other business?Actually, the non-profits tend to be much more profitable.Ab-so-farkin'-lutely.Don't believe us? Go to your local non-profit, especially something like a state-supported school. Pull their IRS Form 990. Check out the salaries for the folks at the top.
BarkingUnicorn: Red Cross press release archive, if anyone's interested in their side of the story.
Fibro: BarkingUnicorn: Red Cross press release archive, if anyone's interested in their side of the story.Wow, they picked the worst font on the internet for the "Public Still Plans to Give to Charities During the Holidays" section... ugh.Also, press releases don't really count as a side to a story.
themasterdebater: Sorry, did someone forget that a non-profit is a business like every other business?
royone: Salaries are profit now?
syberpud: Salaries are profit now?Nope, but since non-profits (and NGO's) don't have shareholders or have financial analysts/investors look over their books, many have "administrative bloat" going on at the top level. That's money and resources not going to their stated mission. There are plenty of sites out there attempt to monitor and report on these, but I bet they are rarely used before people give money.
royone: Here's the Red Cross score. They took in $3 billion and spent $150 million on salaries.Here's FEMA's financial report (PDF). They got $13billion in budget and spent a little over $1 billion on salaries.
imtheonlylp: Just checked. I can fit at least 2.3 million in my SUV. I'd be glad to help.
royone: Here's what the Red Cross say they've done:Handed out more than 477,700 relief items
royone: OldManDownDRoad: Amos Quito: themasterdebater: Sorry, did someone forget that a non-profit is a business like every other business?Actually, the non-profits tend to be much more profitable.Ab-so-farkin'-lutely.Don't believe us? Go to your local non-profit, especially something like a state-supported school. Pull their IRS Form 990. Check out the salaries for the folks at the top.Salaries are profit now?
basemetal: That's pretty much the Red Cross way./oh look, bonuses!
royone: Here's what the Red Cross say they've done:In the last month, the Red Cross has provided tens of thousands of shelter stays, served millions of meals and snacks, handed out millions of relief supplies, and provided other assistance like thousands of health services and emotional support contacts.And earlier:The Red Cross response to Sandy is massive. To date, the Red Cross has helped families and individuals in ten states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico affected by Sandy. The Red Cross has:Served more than 4.8 million meals and snacksProvided more than 70,100 overnight stays out of a total of 130,000 provided by all organizationsMade more than 43,800 health services and emotional support contactsHanded out more than 477,700 relief itemsPossibly the article's author is a dumbass?
occamswrist: I'll get the money to the victims. Send me the money.Can one of you tell the red cross they can send the money to me, please?
5monkeys: the meals were donated by the community
rocinante721: floor of my house was destroyed in Sandy (Long Beach NY)Saw the Red Cross once, who asked if I needed food (which the Natl Guard was distributing). Not blankets or anything like that.The Natl Guard, however, has been Johnny-on-the-spot during the whole ordeal, starting the day after the storm.DO NOT GIVE TO RED CROSS.
Red Cross Regional Executive Larry Crist said Wednesday that the White Plains, N.Y. area is requesting 50 to 75 additional volunteers, mainly to work in client services. For that type of assistance, as well as other volunteer work, some training by the Red Cross is necessary, he said.Introductory training takes 2.5 hours, and more in-depth training from 3.5 to 8 hours, Crist said. People may learn more at the website of the Vermont/New Hampshire Valley region: www.redcrossvtnhuv.org.Doug Bishop, Red Cross Communications Director for the region, reported that more than 5,100 Red Cross workers from all 50 states are supporting shelters, providing food and water at fixed sites and driving through neighborhoods to distribute meals and supplies. The organization also has mobilized more than 10,500 trained workers, 90 percent of whom are volunteers.
swingbozo: The number one rule of the Red Cross is to NOT PUT ANY VOLUNTEER IN ANY DANGER. Ya, I'm sure while you were out getting your truck stuck in disease infested mud bogs while battling fallen trees with a crowbar you didn't see any Red Cross presence. At least there's a handful of people in this thread that have clue. Unfortunately not many.What's the average Red Cross volunteer? A 67 year old retiree. You want them out pushing a 2 ton Emergency Response Vehicle out of a ditch?The stupid in this thread burns.
royone: 5monkeys: the meals were donated by the community"The community" donated 4.8 million meals? I find that implausible. And nobody had to collect it, transport it, or distribute it, apart from some volunteers who needed no organizing?70,100 overnight stays were all in donated high school space? And the bedding came from...?They also claim to have mobilized 14,400 trained disaster workers.I don't question that the Red Cross is only part of the response. I do question the claims that they've done next to nothing.I don't know whether they can put $150 million all to Sandy-related use. It's a lot of money, and they have a fairly limited scope. But if they continue as they have in the past, about 94% of it will be used for programs apart from salaries and fundraising.
Kencyr: That's the way the Red Cross operates. The key is preparedness: Have all the necessary equipment and supplies ready in advance of the disaster. Use the money from the previous disaster relief fund-raisers for this event and use the money gathered by Sandy fund-raisers for the next (and future) events.//Wonders how many times he's read this article in some format or another.
5monkeys: They are claiming every dollar will go directly to those who need it now.
royone: 5monkeys: They are claiming every dollar will go directly to those who need it now.I don't know what they're claiming, but I doubt they're saying "every dollar will go directly".The communities are doing that, not the red cross.Amazing, self-organizing communities.The local school teachers went door to door on their own time delivering meals to those cleaning up.The Red Cross supports volunteers. Just because volunteers are involved, you assume that there's no Red Cross assistance? If the teachers organized the project, made the meals, and so forth, great. If they didn't, the Red Cross may have provided organizational assistance, as well as material support.The churches are handing out gift cards for daily needs, and helping those without insurance rip out the wreckage. No operating costs. They are on the ground.Good. The Red Cross can't do everything. They do what they do.There are so many examples of the community doing it without all the extra BS. We don't see that with the red cross.What community are you in? You realize that some other communities may have had different experiences? Sandy cut a big swath.
Sheila_McSly: I've been a Red Cross volunteer for 8 years. I'm about to deploy to the Sandy disaster area. ...
L.D. Ablo: You need $150 million to send fat bureaucrats off to "conferences" at five star hotels and resorts where there's plenty of rich food and drink.That's how you truly help the needy.
netringer: Sheila_McSly: I've been a Red Cross volunteer for 8 years. I'm about to deploy to the Sandy disaster area. ...You that the Red Cross is ABOUT TO SHOW UP at the Sandy disaster that happened OVER A MONTH AGO?.
Sheila_McSly: I've been a Red Cross volunteer for 8 years....
Shyla: And a whole lot of that food and "supplies" are donated. Volunteer workers that get called in are expected to pay their own way and provide for themselves. So unless those gift cards they handed out amount to about a hundred million dollars...
5monkeys: The ads say exactly that. Every dollar will go to help those directly effected by sandy.
someguy945: imtheonlylp: Just checked. I can fit at least 2.3 million in my SUV. I'd be glad to help.You can fit 1 million in a shopping bag and walk around with it.What does a trillion dollars look like?
Shyla: And a whole lot of that food and "supplies" are donated.
netringer: You're doing a Heckuva Job There Reddie.
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: A relative of mine who was a relief worker after the November 6, 1977 flood that devastated Toccoa Falls College said that the Red Cross only stayed long enough to get the word out that they needed donations, then left. The Salvation Army stayed until they were no longer needed.
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