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(FilmComment)   "If you look at the three of them, Ra's Al Ghul is almost a religious figure, The Joker is the anti-religious figure, the anti-structure anarchist. And then Bane comes in as a military dictator." Christopher Nolan finally explains his Batman movies   (filmcomment.com) divider line 19
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2012-11-29 12:00:05 PM  
3 votes:
jesus farking christ, am I the only one who liked the films? Not to mention how incredible TDK was. Appreciate the guy. Reading this is giving me depth on what he was trying to accomplish, so thank you subby.
2012-11-29 12:30:11 PM  
2 votes:
Is it true that you don't use a second unit director, in effect shooting every frame yourself?

Yeah, I've never used a second unit director. Occasionally, we'd hire a splinter unit for a day or something and splinter off a couple of shots, but I went into Batman Begins saying to the studio, "Look, I don't understand how to peel things away from my script and say these aren't important enough for me to shoot them. Because to me, if they're not important enough for me to shoot them, they shouldn't be in the film in the first place."


I farking love this guy's philosophy.
2012-11-29 12:11:42 PM  
2 votes:
Actually, this explanation makes a lot of sense if you look at Batman, ironically, as the force of reason and science. This is an allegory for the development of Christianity.

The crime families before Batman appears: the decaying Roman Empire, a great city turned into chaos and poverty through complacence and corruption.

Ra's al Ghuul: Jesus and the early christian cults. Hidden in the shadows, oppressed, feared, tried to make big changes with the system.

Joker: The Gauls, Saxons, Celts, Franks, and other barbaric, warring tribes with no real binding ethos.

Bane: The Dark Ages and the early Catholic Church. Rigid, devoted to the ideals of the early Christian cults but mutating them to serve their own interests. Pulls enough barbarism of the tribes to bring everyone together and get the power the cults couldn't.

Batman's "death" is the Renaissance, with the elements of the three stages swept away and the city ready to move on to something beyond chaos and faith.
2012-11-29 04:01:03 PM  
1 votes:
I actually think that the Batman trilogy is much smarter than it's given credit for. The major themes of the movies all tend to revolve around post-9/11 issues in America. They all involve acts of terrorism and the response to a new, more connected world. The first dealt with shadow organizations and the resistance toward extremism. The second was about contending with an enemy whose philosophy is incomprehensible but whose methods are ruthless and unpredictable. There was also a commentary on surveillance and the limits to which a society is willing to go to in order to try to stamp out a violent ideology that will ultimately prevail, even as we continue to fight it. The third film seemed to be about the ways that wealth has settled down following a catastrophic event (the Joker's violent acts) and the fact that no matter what, "civil society," will always be vulnerable.

I'd love to write an essay or book, or something about the post-9/11 themes that run throughout the movies, as I'm sure there's more. I do think Nolan deserves some credit for these stories. Yes, on the one hand they are dumb action entertainment for the masses, but they have a strong core that consists of real dilemmas that we face in the Twenty-First Century. And they're not bad as a character study of one man who tries to influence the tides of change that have occurred. The problems of violence and terrorism are nothing new, but they've taken on different dimensions in our present moment. I think Nolan was wise to take on such topics and that he handled them considerably well.

/*shrug* Just my two pennies.
//I also enjoyed the films as straightforward action, so count me among the masses to whom the studio sought to sell tickets. I saw all three in theaters and had a blast.
2012-11-29 03:47:44 PM  
1 votes:
In many threads I get the feeling that I'm not a big enough nerd for this site.
2012-11-29 03:33:33 PM  
1 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: Be careful what you wish for. Most movies are made for kids.


So? A lot of the things 'For Kids' are damn good. And sometimes are better than the things made 'For Adults'.

(see: Batman: The Animated Series.)
2012-11-29 02:28:09 PM  
1 votes:

skepticultist: un4gvn666: Is it true that you don't use a second unit director, in effect shooting every frame yourself?

Yeah, I've never used a second unit director. Occasionally, we'd hire a splinter unit for a day or something and splinter off a couple of shots, but I went into Batman Begins saying to the studio, "Look, I don't understand how to peel things away from my script and say these aren't important enough for me to shoot them. Because to me, if they're not important enough for me to shoot them, they shouldn't be in the film in the first place."

I farking love this guy's philosophy.

Yeah, I was impressed by that too.

I don't always agree with Nolan's choices (letting Bale do the Bat Voice was dumb), but I really can't say there's much in terms of wasted screen time in his movies. And that's despite being pretty farking long movies.


I've actually changed my opinion on the Bat voice. At first, I thought it was goofy and wanted something closer to Kevin Conroy. It grew on me though, and I love it. I can't explain why, but it gets me pumped.

Also, I'll echo the sentiment on Nolan's screen time. Each of those movies is around 2 1/2 hours and yet I never felt bored in any of them.
2012-11-29 02:24:56 PM  
1 votes:

thecpt: jesus farking christ, am I the only one who liked the films? Not to mention how incredible TDK was. Appreciate the guy. Reading this is giving me depth on what he was trying to accomplish, so thank you subby.


Yeah, I've made jokes about hating the Entertainment tab and this is why. I enjoy it on the whole, but there's a very loud contingent of retards who hate everything mainstream.

Read the threads when Skyfall first came out. They hated that too.
2012-11-29 02:20:56 PM  
1 votes:

Detinwolf: My only problem with TDKR is that the city was on total lockdown, but when Batman escaped from the prison, they showed him walking back into the city via a bridge. The only bridge was barricaded by the national guard IIRC.


Can't remember, as I only saw it the one time, but don't we first see Batman back in the city near the "ice walk"?
2012-11-29 01:10:17 PM  
1 votes:
After reading the interview and this thread, I like the films more now than I did before.

Decillion: It's the slipped disk heal punch. Ask your chiropractor.


I'll buy this explanation. His broken back magically healing bugged me, but I'll accept a slipped disk.


Pontious Pilates: Yes. This is Fark. Every neckbeard with failed dreams has at least six better screenplays, right over there, under the cheesey poofs.



Bravo. These films elevated comic book movies tremendously. Even recent ones, like Fantastic Four and that era, were pretty decent for their time, but look not so great compared to the Nolan films and the improvements he competitively-forced on Marvel Studios.
2012-11-29 12:54:39 PM  
1 votes:

blackminded: ElusiveWookiee: So, Fark has hit Peak Batman and started hating it now?

Where've you been? Also, Christopher Nolan is an overrated hack.

/keep up


However, by the end of this thread, the films will be lauded as masterpieces again, like Catwoman's hiney.
2012-11-29 12:45:56 PM  
1 votes:

MagSeven: thecpt: jesus farking christ, am I the only one who liked the films? Not to mention how incredible TDK was. Appreciate the guy. Reading this is giving me depth on what he was trying to accomplish, so thank you subby.

Loved the films, but now that they are over, we can pick them apart and explain how WE would have done such a better job. You know, because we are successful writers and directors. We are brilliant.


You seem to not understand the purpose of discussion forums. They are here so we can kill time during work and be advertised to.

If someone can do better than Nolan, that's good. Art is not a progression towards an ideal followed by mass suicide because no one can ever improve it.

//your favorite thing sucks
2012-11-29 12:44:43 PM  
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: The second one was great but the fact that the Joker got the prisoners and the citizens on separate ferries made no sense.


That particular scene was when I'd finally had enough of TDK. A freaking Prisoner's Dilemma? Seriously? And have a Magical Negro resolve it? Bull farking shiat.
2012-11-29 12:19:47 PM  
1 votes:

This Looks Fun: thecpt: jesus farking christ, am I the only one who liked the films? Not to mention how incredible TDK was. Appreciate the guy. Reading this is giving me depth on what he was trying to accomplish, so thank you subby.

I'm right here with you. Really enjoyed the films and this interview. I'm surprised by the comments as well.


Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The movies are good, but he's no Schumaker. I read a very similar interview with Schumaker and his interpretation of the script, settings, characters, and his methodologies of putting them to film. And, to Schumaker's credit, in his mind there was no other way to capture and potray the souls, the very being of his characters, other than to include nipples and protruding codpieces. Most profound, if you ask me.
2012-11-29 12:17:59 PM  
1 votes:

thecpt: jesus farking christ, am I the only one who liked the films? Not to mention how incredible TDK was. Appreciate the guy. Reading this is giving me depth on what he was trying to accomplish, so thank you subby.


Loved the films, but now that they are over, we can pick them apart and explain how WE would have done such a better job. You know, because we are successful writers and directors. We are brilliant.
2012-11-29 12:02:16 PM  
1 votes:

thecpt: jesus farking christ, am I the only one who liked the films? Not to mention how incredible TDK was. Appreciate the guy. Reading this is giving me depth on what he was trying to accomplish, so thank you subby.


I'm right here with you. Really enjoyed the films and this interview. I'm surprised by the comments as well.
2012-11-29 11:52:04 AM  
1 votes:

Hoboclown: I hope he shares the secret of the broken back heal punch. That could save lives!


It's the slipped disk heal punch. Ask your chiropractor.
2012-11-29 11:50:02 AM  
1 votes:
I hope he shares the secret of the broken back heal punch. That could save lives!
2012-11-29 11:46:53 AM  
1 votes:
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