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2012-11-29 11:21:15 AM  
Agreed. That's why I use incognito browsing, extensions like Disconnect, and 7 proxies to cut down on the information they can collect.
 
2012-11-29 12:40:59 PM  
Well, Google knows where I go online and my email. So does my ISP. They use this information to more effectively market products and services to me (I haven't seen a feminine hygiene ad in years).

Facebook knows what I look like, my interests, and my friends. It isn't quite clear what this enhanced information will be used for.

I am conscious of what data both firms have acquired.
 
2012-11-29 12:44:17 PM  
I think Google just keeps it all for themselves, rather than share or sell any of it.
 
2012-11-29 01:00:35 PM  
Google: Pay us and we will point our customers in your general direction. It will be up to our customers on whether they want to provide you with their info.

Facebook: Pay us and we will give you everything we have on our customers.
 
2012-11-29 01:03:57 PM  
Yeah Google doesn't sell it, they just make it available to their advertisers, who happen to be paying them
 
2012-11-29 01:08:48 PM  

madgonad: Well, Google knows where I go online and my email. So does my ISP. They use this information to more effectively market products and services to me (I haven't seen a feminine hygiene ad in years).

Facebook knows what I look like, my interests, and my friends. It isn't quite clear what this enhanced information will be used for.

I am conscious of what data both firms have acquired.


It's actually quite pathetic. The place I work advertises based on what kind of graduate education you received, because their market is to professionals with that kind of degree. Not every business is that lucky.

Lately facebook's mobile ads look like this: "your friend Likes s-mart. shop at s-mart." The day-to-day horseshiat everyone writes about has very little value in targeted advertising.

The day to day research everyone does at least gives Google a hint. The last search-history-based google ad I saw was for a product I was selling online. Close, but not quite.
 
2012-11-29 01:55:04 PM  

whistleridge: Agreed. That's why I use incognito browsing, extensions like Disconnect, and 7 proxies to cut down on the information they can collect.


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2012-11-29 02:14:27 PM  
Google+ is annoying as shiat. I hung on to it for ages but it turned into a giant commercial for everyones website, development project, photography or podcast. It's like Linked In for the socially awkward hipsters. No one ever actually talked to each other. Facebook is shiat but at least I can actually talk to my friends, have some lol's and shoot the shiat with people I know.
 
2012-11-29 03:21:40 PM  
i.imgur.com

What a confrontation between FB and G+ might look like.
 
2012-11-29 04:03:50 PM  
I like G+ if just for the circles. It's nice to have certain info for some and not for others.
 
2012-11-29 05:07:27 PM  

styckx: Google+ is annoying as shiat. I hung on to it for ages but it turned into a giant commercial for everyones website, development project, photography or podcast. It's like Linked In for the socially awkward hipsters. No one ever actually talked to each other. Facebook is shiat but at least I can actually talk to my friends, have some lol's and shoot the shiat with people I know.


It's always amusing to witness farks definition of "hipster" change from one week to the the next.

/google+ is useless but not for the reasons you mention
 
2012-11-29 05:23:13 PM  
In other words, "We think Google+ is better because we haven't figured out how to monetize it."
 
2012-11-29 05:36:59 PM  
Still using blogs and RSS. Still will be in a decade when all the current centralised and controlled systems have been replaced by new and shiny centralised and control systems.

If I want to leave someone a message, there's "comments" or "email".
 
2012-11-29 05:39:54 PM  

moothemagiccow: madgonad: Well, Google knows where I go online and my email. So does my ISP. They use this information to more effectively market products and services to me (I haven't seen a feminine hygiene ad in years).

Facebook knows what I look like, my interests, and my friends. It isn't quite clear what this enhanced information will be used for.

I am conscious of what data both firms have acquired.

It's actually quite pathetic. The place I work advertises based on what kind of graduate education you received, because their market is to professionals with that kind of degree. Not every business is that lucky.

Lately facebook's mobile ads look like this: "your friend Likes s-mart. shop at s-mart." The day-to-day horseshiat everyone writes about has very little value in targeted advertising.

The day to day research everyone does at least gives Google a hint. The last search-history-based google ad I saw was for a product I was selling online. Close, but not quite.



At work I see ads on Fark for a software called Solarwinds. There's no way in fark that's not targeted directly at the IP accessing Fark [it's software created for one very industry-specific purpose]. No big deal.

And as others pointed out, Google doesn't sell your data, it sells the ad space it shows you to its customers. Who cares?
 
2012-11-29 05:49:19 PM  
The Google+ mobile app is great, if you like seeing closely cropped pictures of half of Wil Wheaton's face, accompanied by the first four words of something clever he wrote although you'll have to tap through three or four more screens before you can read the rest of it.
 
2012-11-29 07:25:12 PM  

gingerjet: styckx: Google+ is annoying as shiat. I hung on to it for ages but it turned into a giant commercial for everyones website, development project, photography or podcast. It's like Linked In for the socially awkward hipsters. No one ever actually talked to each other. Facebook is shiat but at least I can actually talk to my friends, have some lol's and shoot the shiat with people I know.

It's always amusing to witness farks definition of "hipster" change from one week to the the next.

/google+ is useless but not for the reasons you mention


Everyone on google+ is a sour, friendless asshole. Like you.
 
2012-11-29 07:29:15 PM  

NateAsbestos: And as others pointed out, Google doesn't sell your data, it sells the ad space it shows you to its customers. Who cares?


Yeah it does. Everything google keeps on you, it provides to its advertisers to target their ads. If your search history's on (don't think there's a way to turn it off on mobile) their clients can see what you've visited and market to you accordingly. The folks I work for buy extensively from google.
 
2012-11-29 07:58:01 PM  
I'm not scared, I pasted a legal notice on my Facebook wall that lists all my posts as copyright. They can't do a thing!!!
 
2012-11-29 08:00:26 PM  

Fark Reddit or bust: whistleridge: Agreed. That's why I use incognito browsing, extensions like Disconnect, and 7 proxies to cut down on the information they can collect.

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I never tell anyone exactly how many proxies I'm behind...
 
2012-11-29 08:03:32 PM  
I cancelled my facebook account before facebook got super popular does that make me some kind of meta hipster? I don't mind PBR either.
 
2012-11-29 08:35:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: NateAsbestos: And as others pointed out, Google doesn't sell your data, it sells the ad space it shows you to its customers. Who cares?

Yeah it does. Everything google keeps on you, it provides to its advertisers to target their ads. If your search history's on (don't think there's a way to turn it off on mobile) their clients can see what you've visited and market to you accordingly. The folks I work for buy extensively from google.


But to the advertisers, you're just a number. Only Google knows the identity behind that number. At least that's my understanding of it.

Either way, I don't really care. No expectation of privacy on most intertube sites.
 
2012-11-29 09:47:33 PM  

madgonad: Well, Google knows where I go online and my email. So does my ISP. They use this information to more effectively market products and services to me (I haven't seen a feminine hygiene ad in years).

Facebook knows what I look like, my interests, and my friends. It isn't quite clear what this enhanced information will be used for.

I am conscious of what data both firms have acquired.


Bear in mind a lot of websites have 'log in using facebook' options that a lot of people use, so FB gets data collection from non-FB pages too.
 
2012-11-30 04:29:35 AM  

moothemagiccow: Yeah it does. Everything google keeps on you, it provides to its advertisers to target their ads. If your search history's on (don't think there's a way to turn it off on mobile) their clients can see what you've visited and market to you accordingly. The folks I work for buy extensively from google.


[citation needed]

Not being snarky: I'm genuinely curious.

I've done some minor advertising on Google in the past and never saw any information other than aggregated information. Nothing about any specific users or their categories. Of course, that was also a few years ago and things may have changed.
 
2012-11-30 08:45:51 AM  
Just *one* user's private information? imokwiththis.jpg Out of 1 billion+ users, odds are pretty good it's not mine, then.

/Apostrophes are your friend. Please use them properly
//yeah, yeah, I know
 
2012-11-30 09:15:18 AM  

moothemagiccow: NateAsbestos: And as others pointed out, Google doesn't sell your data, it sells the ad space it shows you to its customers. Who cares?

Yeah it does. Everything google keeps on you, it provides to its advertisers to target their ads. If your search history's on (don't think there's a way to turn it off on mobile) their clients can see what you've visited and market to you accordingly. The folks I work for buy extensively from google.


That's not quite how it works for Google. They are paid to show ads to users. The more people click on those ads, the more money they make. So out of their giant pool of ads, they select the ones you are most likely to click on based on your history and show it to you. This gives the highest chance of a click-through and thus money. At no point does Google sell any of your personal information to anyone outside the company. They do provide the advertisers with general demographic data about who clicked on the ads, but they can't drill down to any level of detail.
 
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