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(NPR)   "Not-too-crazy actually sells," says automotive analyst explaining why so few people on your block have bought a Prowler, Aztek or LM002   (npr.org) divider line 68
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2012-11-29 09:27:20 AM  
The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.
 
2012-11-29 09:58:29 AM  
While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?
 
2012-11-29 10:07:01 AM  
design cars that sell, so that's why you won't see cars with bubbles or giant fins.

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2012-11-29 10:07:17 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


It's a Honda. Honda fans are almost as bad as Apple fans.
 
2012-11-29 12:21:30 PM  
I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.
 
2012-11-29 12:24:59 PM  
SUVs are mom cars, but I would run over my own mother for an LM002.
 
2012-11-29 12:25:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


It has plenty of space in the back, and you can easily mop down the interior, which makes it a great vehicle for killing hookers and disposing of the bodies camping and other outdoor adventures.
 
2012-11-29 12:27:40 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


I considered one in 2003 as I was driving an Xterra,living in a dense part of the city and preferred something that was more nimble and fuel efficient for around town, but still able to haul my gear out to the sticks once a month. That you could hose it out was appealing as well.

I ended up with just a Civic though when I realized I only needed to get a bike rack.
 
2012-11-29 12:28:40 PM  

Rapmaster2000: SUVs are mom cars, but I would run over my own mother for an LM002.


Yes, that isn't a design problem, more of a price problem.

/Would also run over Rapmasters mother for one. 
//Any takers?
 
2012-11-29 12:29:07 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.


Farking this. We bought an '08 XB for my wife when they came out (the first year of the new design) and I really wished we'd gotten the '07 instead. I loved that older design, and may pick one up when I get rid of my truck this year. Great tall guy car.
 
2012-11-29 12:40:38 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


Versatility - it's like the swiss-army knife of cars. It doesn't do anything great, but it does a ton of things sufficiently.

Mad_Radhu: you can easily mop down the interior


I had an Element and brought a bunch of sod home. When I was done, I actually hosed all the dirt out the back of the car.
 
2012-11-29 12:55:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


It's fairly fuel-efficient, easy to drive and very versatile. If basic utility without having to buy something the size of a barn is your primary goal, it's a hard automobile to pass up.
 
2012-11-29 01:02:30 PM  

SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.


Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
stwot.motortrend.com
www.toledoblade.com

stwot.motortrend.com
image.4wheeloffroad.com

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot
 
2012-11-29 01:29:40 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


You know they stopped making them 2 years ago.... right?

/Would have been on my test drive list if they were still being made.
 
2012-11-29 01:34:16 PM  
I'll never understand how the Nissan Juke sells - that's like the Aztec's bastard child with a hermaphrodite hooker.
 
2012-11-29 01:54:14 PM  

SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it.


Of course, ugly gray plastic on its own isn't enough to kill a vehicle. The first-generation Ford Escape had plenty of that to go around - but of course it looked like a proper SUV, and you could get 4WD (though not 4LO) on it, so Ford still sold a million plus of 'em in the US alone - not even counting the badge-engineered Mazda Tribute.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-29 01:59:17 PM  

fo_sho!: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.

Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[www.toledoblade.com image 800x536]

[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[image.4wheeloffroad.com image 495x360]

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot


Looking at that picture I had and awful revelation: The Aztek, didn't truly die, instead it morphed into the Pontiac Montana, I say Awful because i OWN a Montana (and yes it is far and away the worst car I have ever owned reliability-wise, which is truly saying something since I owned (it was a gift) a mid-80's Fiat at one point)
 
2012-11-29 02:01:40 PM  

dbirchall: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it.

Of course, ugly gray plastic on its own isn't enough to kill a vehicle. The first-generation Ford Escape had plenty of that to go around - but of course it looked like a proper SUV, and you could get 4WD (though not 4LO) on it, so Ford still sold a million plus of 'em in the US alone - not even counting the badge-engineered Mazda Tribute.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x185]



www.imcdb.org

"The Bronco's been discontinued. We're trying to shed that whole fugitive on the run thing. This is the Escape."
 
2012-11-29 02:07:31 PM  

fo_sho!: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.

Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[www.toledoblade.com image 800x536]

[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[image.4wheeloffroad.com image 495x360]

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot


Maybe that's why they use the Aztek in Breaking Bad so much - to highlight how much the car sucks.
 
2012-11-29 03:02:19 PM  
Don't make it too ugly, don't make it too outlandish. There's a huge middle-ground there to play with safely.

After that people just care about price and not breaking. Performance is for people with too much money or too little sense.
 
2012-11-29 03:15:20 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


I like to think that Element owners are people who like Jeeps (ugly but capable and endearing light SUV) but are practical enough to realize they don't really need off-road capabilities.
 
2012-11-29 03:20:08 PM  

Magorn: fo_sho!: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.

Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[www.toledoblade.com image 800x536]

[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[image.4wheeloffroad.com image 495x360]

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot

Looking at that picture I had and awful revelation: The Aztek, didn't truly die, instead it morphed into the Pontiac Montana, I say Awful because i OWN a Montana (and yes it is far and away the worst car I have ever owned reliability-wise, which is truly saying something since I owned (it was a gift) a mid-80's Fiat at one point)


Actually - I think the Aztek concept was intended to be it's own vehicle, but in typical 1990s accounting driven GM style, they based it on the Montana platform to save a few dollars.

So the cool gen X active lifestyle moonshot was based on your minivan - not the other way around.

Not that there's anything wrong with minivans. This genXer will be replacing the wifes SUV with one after the winter. Twin 2 year olds and a five year old - nothing better for the cruises out to get pizza and the shore runs.
 
2012-11-29 03:21:55 PM  

germ78: fo_sho!: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.

Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[www.toledoblade.com image 800x536]

[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[image.4wheeloffroad.com image 495x360]

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot

Maybe that's why they use the Aztek in Breaking Bad so much - to highlight how much the car sucks.


Nah, I think it's just to reinforce that Walt totally doesn't fit the meth cook stereotype; he's just a dorky dad.
 
2012-11-29 03:22:50 PM  

fo_sho!: Magorn: fo_sho!: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.

Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[www.toledoblade.com image 800x536]

[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[image.4wheeloffroad.com image 495x360]

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot

Looking at that picture I had and awful revelation: The Aztek, didn't truly die, instead it morphed into the Pontiac Montana, I say Awful because i OWN a Montana (and yes it is far and away the worst car I have ever owned reliability-wise, which is truly saying something since I owned (it was a gift) a mid-80's Fiat at one point)

Actually - I think the Aztek concept was intended to be it's own vehicle, but in typical 1990s accounting driven GM style, they based it on the Montana platform to save a few dollars.

So the cool gen X active lifestyle moonshot was based on your minivan - not the other way around.

Not that there's anything wrong with minivans. This genXer will be replacing the wifes SUV with one after the winter. Twin 2 year olds and a five year old - nothing better for the cruises out to get pizza and the shore runs.


S'why I own one and had a station wagon before that. Rather than going "OMG I'm so uncool, I drive a minvan!" My thought process was more like: "wow look at all the cool stuff we can haul with us when we go camping/go to a regional Burn"
 
2012-11-29 03:27:32 PM  
I sooooooo wanted to buy the Ford Flex, until I saw the fuel economy was 17/mpg city. Now I'm hoping the 2014 Honda Pilot gets 20/mpg city... But seriously, wtf? My 1994 Saturn got 24/city, and 20 years later the technology to match this "feat" in a bigger vehicle ain't there?
 
2012-11-29 03:53:29 PM  

fat_free: I sooooooo wanted to buy the Ford Flex, until I saw the fuel economy was 17/mpg city. Now I'm hoping the 2014 Honda Pilot gets 20/mpg city... But seriously, wtf? My 1994 Saturn got 24/city, and 20 years later the technology to match this "feat" in a bigger vehicle ain't there?


they never will be. aerodynamics and weight get in the way. even the best euro-diesel fails to crack 20 mpg in that vehicle class.

you have to go one size smaller for more than 20mpg city: chevrolet equinox, ford escape, mazda cx5, etc.
 
2012-11-29 04:11:43 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.


Have you test driven a Mini Cooper? I picked up a 2012 Clubman this year. I'm a "tall" 6' and fit quite comfortably.

\and it's a blast to drive
\\+36 MPG is good too
 
hej
2012-11-29 04:15:03 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: While we are explaining things in the auto industry can someone please clue me in on why people buy the Element?


They have quite a lot of interior space given the size of the vehicle.

/not an owner
 
2012-11-29 04:51:30 PM  

Mr. Tweedy


I'll never understand how the Nissan Juke sells - that's like the Aztec's bastard child with a hermaphrodite hooker.


They might be slightly aesthetically challenged, but they have a 1.6-liter turbo, decent mileage, AWD (optional), enough room to haul some stuff, and they don't cost much.

Having said that, I don't own one but wouldn't turn one down.
 
2012-11-29 04:53:23 PM  

Magorn: fo_sho!: Magorn: fo_sho!: SnarfVader: The Aztek as a concept that was SUV-based and a serious off-road vehicle would've sold. The fact that they ultimately based it on a mini-van, took away all of its off-road capabilities, and clad it in ugly gray plastic is what killed it. That's what you get when you design a car by committee.

Agreed:

The concept/ the reality:
[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[www.toledoblade.com image 800x536]

[stwot.motortrend.com image 850x531]
[image.4wheeloffroad.com image 495x360]

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.


/all hot

Looking at that picture I had and awful revelation: The Aztek, didn't truly die, instead it morphed into the Pontiac Montana, I say Awful because i OWN a Montana (and yes it is far and away the worst car I have ever owned reliability-wise, which is truly saying something since I owned (it was a gift) a mid-80's Fiat at one point)

Actually - I think the Aztek concept was intended to be it's own vehicle, but in typical 1990s accounting driven GM style, they based it on the Montana platform to save a few dollars.

So the cool gen X active lifestyle moonshot was based on your minivan - not the other way around.

Not that there's anything wrong with minivans. This genXer will be replacing the wifes SUV with one after the winter. Twin 2 year olds and a five year old - nothing better for the cruises out to get pizza and the shore runs.

S'why I own one and had a station wagon before that. Rather t ...


Now I have a Mazda 5. Best of a minivan and a hatchback. Sliding rear doors, excellent cornering, and fun to drive.

Rented a 2012 Caravan this summer. Really liked it more than I thought. My 99 Caravan was kinda Meh.
 
2012-11-29 04:54:05 PM  

Johnny Swank: ThatGuyGreg: I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.

Farking this. We bought an '08 XB for my wife when they came out (the first year of the new design) and I really wished we'd gotten the '07 instead. I loved that older design, and may pick one up when I get rid of my truck this year. Great tall guy car.


There was no 2007 xB. They skipped that model year, with the redesign coming out for MY 2008 in summer 2007. They did manufacture 2006s for about a year and a half, though, from about June 2005 until December 31st, 2006.

I own a (early) 2006 xA (which also doesn't exist for 2007 with the replacement xD coming out for 2008), and I love it. Other than damage from accidents and parts that are regularily replaced by design (tires, the battery (which lasted until this January), that sort of thing), the only problem I've had with the car in the 7 years I've owned it was the stereo failed and was replaced under warranty (there was a new stereo in the 2006s and apparently many or all of them were defective).

Both the 2004-2006 xA and xB were very small cars on the outside with lots of room on the inside, including lots of headroom.
 
2012-11-29 04:54:52 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Mr. Tweedy

I'll never understand how the Nissan Juke sells - that's like the Aztec's bastard child with a hermaphrodite hooker.


They might be slightly aesthetically challenged, but they have a 1.6-liter turbo, decent mileage, AWD (optional), enough room to haul some stuff, and they don't cost much.

Having said that, I don't own one but wouldn't turn one down.


Get one with the GT-R engine.
 
2012-11-29 04:56:38 PM  

fat_free: I sooooooo wanted to buy the Ford Flex, until I saw the fuel economy was 17/mpg city. Now I'm hoping the 2014 Honda Pilot gets 20/mpg city... But seriously, wtf? My 1994 Saturn got 24/city, and 20 years later the technology to match this "feat" in a bigger vehicle ain't there?


I had a Flex and got 22mpg around town. The trick was to keep the revs below 3000rpm. The problem with those three row crossovers is that you've got a lot of mass to get up to speed. If you expect to go with the flow of traffic you're going to get rubbish fuel economy.
 
2012-11-29 05:16:10 PM  
I gotta look into getting an Aztek. Hey, AWD. and if they're cheap....
 
2012-11-29 05:27:52 PM  
My neighbor has an Aztek. It's his second one. He bought it after the first one was totaled in a wreck. For all the ugliness, they have an incredible amount of room inside and he gets pretty decent gas mileage. YMMV.
 
2012-11-29 05:29:07 PM  
Never really got the whole reason people ragged on the Prowler... Yeah it wasn't a supercar or something, but it had a look that was a throwback to the old hot rods of yester-decade that wasn't absolutely horrid or anything.
 
2012-11-29 05:32:54 PM  
Most cars on the market atm were designed by the same computer, built by the same robots, tested in the same wind-tunnel. Duh.

Bikes on the other hand are easily distinguishable, even within the same genre. Different engine / suspension / exhaust / fairings etc.
 
2012-11-29 05:39:26 PM  

Johnny Swank: ThatGuyGreg: I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.

Farking this. We bought an '08 XB for my wife when they came out (the first year of the new design) and I really wished we'd gotten the '07 instead. I loved that older design, and may pick one up when I get rid of my truck this year. Great tall guy car.


Any other recommended Tall Guy cars? I sat in an H2 once at a car show, not because I wanted to see how I fit in it. There's more personal space in a Mini Cooper or Mazda 3.

I'm looking for a fuel efficient commuter to compliment my SUV. Also, needs to run on regular gas, I love the Mini but I'm not paying the fuel surcharges.
 
2012-11-29 05:41:49 PM  

PluckYew: Any other recommended Tall Guy cars?


Believe it or not, the Fiat 500 has tons of room inside. May not be your cup of tea, though.
 
2012-11-29 05:47:51 PM  

PluckYew: Johnny Swank: ThatGuyGreg: I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.

Farking this. We bought an '08 XB for my wife when they came out (the first year of the new design) and I really wished we'd gotten the '07 instead. I loved that older design, and may pick one up when I get rid of my truck this year. Great tall guy car.

Any other recommended Tall Guy cars? I sat in an H2 once at a car show, not because I wanted one but to see if/how I fit in it. There's more personal space in a Mini Cooper or Mazda 3.

I'm looking for a fuel efficient commuter to compliment my SUV. Also, needs to run on regular gas, I love the Mini but I'm not paying the fuel surcharges.


JEEBUS FTFM
 
2012-11-29 05:53:48 PM  

The Muthaship: PluckYew: Any other recommended Tall Guy cars?

Believe it or not, the Fiat 500 has tons of room inside. May not be your cup of tea, though.


I would drive one, I would prefer the Abarth edition but the regular 500 is a cool urban car.

I'm really looking [long term, not this year] for something that looks like crap, runs great and is dependable, to drive back and forth to work. A beater where I can turn on the blinker (always signal), have the douche bag in his fancy car try to block me and me start to come over slowly anyway.

With s/he wondering if I even HAVE insurance.
 
2012-11-29 06:09:23 PM  

Iczer: Never really got the whole reason people ragged on the Prowler... Yeah it wasn't a supercar or something, but it had a look that was a throwback to the old hot rods of yester-decade that wasn't absolutely horrid or anything.


I would agree, except that I tend to blame the Prowler for the existence of the PT Cruiser.
 
2012-11-29 06:19:53 PM  

Iczer: Never really got the whole reason people ragged on the Prowler... Yeah it wasn't a supercar or something, but it had a look that was a throwback to the old hot rods of yester-decade that wasn't absolutely horrid or anything.


The Prowler's looks wrote checks the engine couldn't cash.

Had they put some decent power in there the car would have done better. With a minivan engine and automatic transmission, it was nothing more than a boulevarder that couldn't even lay down a strip of rubber. Looked great but the Prowler's greatness ended there.

A little more room in the engine bay for an 8 cylinder would have been worth everybody's time.
 
2012-11-29 06:23:56 PM  

SnarfVader: That's what you get when you design a car by committee.


And we all have heard the phrase that is so true as well as witty
that "a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee!"
 
2012-11-29 06:32:11 PM  

PluckYew: Any other recommended Tall Guy cars? I sat in an H2 once at a car show, not because I wanted to see how I fit in it. There's more personal space in a Mini Cooper or Mazda 3.

I'm looking for a fuel efficient commuter to compliment my SUV. Also, needs to run on regular gas, I love the Mini but I'm not paying the fuel surcharges.


Believe it or not, the new Beetle is actually really nice for headroom. My wife got a new Turbo with all the goodies, which looks really sweet, especially with the option for19" rims and xenon headlights with LED running lights:

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The Turbo needs premium, but you can get the non-Turbo that uses regular gas, and there is even a TDI model available for 2013. We haven't had it long enough to judge reliability, but we actually had some pretty good luck with our previous VW, a 2002 Golf that never gave us any major mechanical issues in 10 years, outside of the sticker shock from the dealer-recommended 40k and 60k services.
 
2012-11-29 07:12:58 PM  
Thanks for the info.

Your beetle is too nice for this town.
 
2012-11-29 07:25:33 PM  
fo_sho!:

That being said I remember as an industrial design student watching the auto show highlights at the time. Chrysler had just introduced the PT cruiser (bear with me) that was a coherent, high capacity, economical, affordable vehicle that was indisputably cool (the MANY years it marched on without an upgrade put paid to that - but that is a testament to the success of the concept in a way) and then GM's big unveiling. Lights, music, smoke, a bunch of multiracial poochie style cool kids dancing around and then an Aztek appears. What an ugly, big, plastic POS.

The Aztek and the Vibe basically killed Pontiac as a make. Which sucks, because the G6 is actually a pretty good car.
 
2012-11-29 11:47:20 PM  

Geotpf: Johnny Swank: ThatGuyGreg: I require a car with some personality to it... $four_door_sedan and $crossover_suv just don't do it for me, and I just don't need a Canyonero. I miss the old boxy-as-hell Scion xBs -- the new ones are trying too hard to fit in, and have a blind spot the size of Rhode Island with that giant rear pillar.

I've been looking at the new stuff now, stuff that I'll buy in a year or two, and haven't seen anything that stands out. There's some good innovation in the small car space, but at 6'3", most of them are just not gonna work.

Farking this. We bought an '08 XB for my wife when they came out (the first year of the new design) and I really wished we'd gotten the '07 instead. I loved that older design, and may pick one up when I get rid of my truck this year. Great tall guy car.

There was no 2007 xB. They skipped that model year, with the redesign coming out for MY 2008 in summer 2007. They did manufacture 2006s for about a year and a half, though, from about June 2005 until December 31st, 2006.

I own a (early) 2006 xA (which also doesn't exist for 2007 with the replacement xD coming out for 2008), and I love it. Other than damage from accidents and parts that are regularily replaced by design (tires, the battery (which lasted until this January), that sort of thing), the only problem I've had with the car in the 7 years I've owned it was the stereo failed and was replaced under warranty (there was a new stereo in the 2006s and apparently many or all of them were defective).

Both the 2004-2006 xA and xB were very small cars on the outside with lots of room on the inside, including lots of headroom.


The xA, not so much. I didn't fit in that worth a damn. The xB was good, though. I got the '06 xB. Wife got it in the divorce. Oh, well. The stereo never failed, but the water pump did, about 15 minutes after it went out of warranty. Not a huge deal, and nothing else has ever gone wrong with it that I know of, even though the ex is a hopeless dipshiat about preventive maintenance. I do wish it had done a little better in crash tests, since my kid is riding in it every day.
 
kab
2012-11-30 12:03:44 AM  
"Not too crazy" sells because the auto industry will generally move as slow as it's able to, while still remaining in business. Advancement costs money and has inherent risk. Retooling costs money. Shareholders hate both of these things.

"Not too crazy" sells because it's what's made in the highest quantity, has the least quality and overhead, and therefore sold at the lowest price. 'Crazy' would sell more, but is generally kept in artificially low production numbers so the price can stay artificially high. Or the manufacturer has convinced the market that it's somehow more difficult to produce these cars. (it isn't)

The average 'murkin consumer who has bought this gimmick is completely undiscerning, and will convince him / herself that what he's driving 'isn't bad' as long as the price is right. The auto industry knows this and reacts appropriately. And this is why so many concept cars are at least semi-interesting, and generally turn into bland bags of shiat on 4 wheels by the time they reach the showroom.
 
2012-11-30 12:16:36 AM  

akula: Had they put some decent power in there the car would have done better. With a minivan engine and automatic transmission, it was nothing more than a boulevarder that couldn't even lay down a strip of rubber. Looked great but the Prowler's greatness ended there.


Chrysler LH platform (300M,Concorde,LHS, Dodge Intrepid, Eagle Vision) is not a minivan. It was never intended to "lay down a strip of rubber", they had the Viper and R/T Rams for those sales.ic
Typical e.t for a Prowler is just under 15 seconds, plenty fast enough for today's traffic.
Prowlers run in the 30 to 35K range currently, pretty close to their original price.
Not all cars can say that.
 
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