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2012-11-29 01:11:35 PM  

El Pachuco: That's more of a "how" answer than a "why" answer.


Fair enough :)
I imagine that wherever that chart was grepped from had some sort of context around it that made it more reasonable, like "shiat people worry about vs. what is actually killing them." Had they not put the numbers over each individual bar, I might be a little hastier about assuming intent to deceive, but I think that one's on the up-and-up
 
2012-11-29 01:22:03 PM  
Has anybody started a "conservative" snopes?

'cause I might have a money making idea. Of the sure-fire Romney landslide kind.
 
2012-11-29 01:24:09 PM  
This is satire, right? (From the linked site's article about Politifact's lies)

"The results are, sadly, not surprising. But the situation is grave. PolitiFact (and other supposedly unbiased fact-checking sites) paint Mitt Romney as a serial liar. They also unfairly tarnish Michele Bachmann as a liar, when anybody who follows her already understands that many of her statements aren't meant to be truthful in the first place -- she simply says what she feels.

Notice that PolitiFact states that Barack Obama lies more than Sarah Palin. That's good news -- but keep in mind that Barack Obama's statements are across two campaigns, while Sarah Palin's were across only one.

To have any semblance of fairness, PolitiFact should play it 50/50 and present an equal number of lies from both sides. They clearly are not concerned with any pretense."

The "she simply says what she feels" feels a lot like Stephen Colbert style truthiness to me. Also, everybody knows that "fair and balanced" means that both sides always lie the same amount.
 
2012-11-29 01:24:20 PM  

Aldon: Has anybody started a "conservative" snopes?

'cause I might have a money making idea. Of the sure-fire Romney landslide kind.


Heh. Every page would be the same:

Does it reflect unfavorably upon 0bama or any other Democrat? YES.
Verdict: TRUE
 
2012-11-29 01:28:24 PM  

incendi: El Pachuco: That's more of a "how" answer than a "why" answer.

Fair enough :)
I imagine that wherever that chart was grepped from had some sort of context around it that made it more reasonable, like "shiat people worry about vs. what is actually killing them." Had they not put the numbers over each individual bar, I might be a little hastier about assuming intent to deceive, but I think that one's on the up-and-up


Except that, by the very act of creating the chart, it is inherently misleading to have a bar for 6 even visible next to another bar for 162,000.

The whole point of bar charts is to graphically illustrate different (but comparable) quantities. If we use the same approach, a bar chart comparing my net worth with that of Bill Gates' would suggest that I have a net worth, oh, around a tenth of his. Which would be slightly misleading.
 
2012-11-29 01:28:58 PM  
This sounds too Landover Baptist like.
 
2012-11-29 01:30:08 PM  

El Pachuco: Except that, by the very act of creating the chart, it is inherently misleading to have a bar for 6 even visible next to another bar for 162,000.


I never said it was a good idea.
 
2012-11-29 01:31:25 PM  
That was an Onion site, right?

That HAS to be an Onion site. There is no way that came from someone who really meant it.
 
2012-11-29 01:32:29 PM  

DGS: "American Hero: Sheryl Nuxoll
The Republican Senator from Idaho has an idea for saving is from another Obama term."


Pretty sure that is not a typo. You see, American Heroes like Sheryl Nuxoll are great at saving things that are in no need of being saved. As in this case, where she has a wonderful idea about saving the word "is" from being obliterated by President Obama's non-existent plan to purge the English language of that particular conjugation of one of its most important verbs. This is similar to their plan for saving us from voter fraud that is almost non-existent, etc., etc. 

Thanks to Sheryl Nuxoll this comment did not read like this:
Pretty sure that not a typo. You see, American Heroes like Sheryl Nuxoll are great at saving things that are in no need of being saved. As in this case, where she has a wonderful idea about saving the word from being obliterated by President Obama's non-existent plan to purge the English language of that particular conjugation of one of its most important verbs. This similar to their plan for saving us from voter fraud that almost non-existent, etc., etc.
 
2012-11-29 01:32:36 PM  

incendi: Hey, conservative movement:

shiat like this is why you were surprised when you lost the election.

Human emotions*,
incendi


That is still lulzworthy

* -- © Jackson Herring
 
2012-11-29 01:47:23 PM  

dywed88: MayContainHorseGluten: Pretty sure this has to be a joke site. No one's this dumb... see: http://conservativefactcheck.com/content/articles/43

FTFA:

Maine GOP claims voter fraud
Chuck Davis | November 15th, 2012 | Tagged: GOP Maine voterID voterfraud

Maine GOP chairman Charlie Webster has received numerous reports of unknown black people showing up at polls and voting.

The Maine Republican Party believes that since these people were not recognized by town officials, they may have come into Maine to vote illegally. The Maine GOP reports that in some localities, there were "dozens" of unknown black people voting.


/that's the joke?

Actually, that one is real. Just look it up, the guy who made the claim is not racist, he has black friends that he plays basketball with.

But the site itself is a joke. It is either someone trying for a cash grab getting it linked on sites like Fark and probably World Nut Daily or someone trying to post some actual satire (think Colbert dialed up to 11).


The GOP ought to feel very ashamed of themselves. A site that has people wondering if it's real or not. One of the things pointed out as "obvious troll is obvious" happens to actually be true. That's how low the bar is for them.
 
2012-11-29 01:47:31 PM  
My faith in humanity is ever so incrementally increased by the fact that this website has about 2 dozen followers combined on facebook and twitter and virtually all of the comments on his facebook page are farkers mocking him. Even RWNJs aren't buying what tardstrong here is selling.
 
2012-11-29 01:58:30 PM  
I think it must be real, that Chuck has been on FR for a while... good to seeing him promoting his useful site there and getting some good feedback:

February: Conservative Fact Checking: Destroying the myths about job growth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2846198/posts

A now just a few days ago: PolitiFact's bias, by the numbers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2962454/posts

To: ChuckRogers
The sheer number alone may not tell the whole story. I can hear the libs saying: Of course there are more Conservatives labeled as liars, because they lie more... duh"
It would be interesting to see a list of lies made from Dems that were ignored, or lies by Dems that were given very low 'Pinochio's' vs. 'lies' by Republicans rated much higher.
3 posted on Sat Nov 24 2012 07:32:58 GMT+0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) by Michael.SF. (Obama Lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Politifact lies by omission, much like the MSM.
4 posted on Sat Nov 24 2012 07:37:41 GMT+0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) by Rodney Dangerfield ("Hate standing in line at the Post Office? - wait until ObamaCare is implemented.")
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To: ChuckRogers
I think CFC is a great idea. You probably have to dig deeper than just raw numbers like this to make
your point, however.
5 posted on Sat Nov 24 2012 08:09:19 GMT+0800 (W. Australia Standard Time) by 9YearLurker
 
2012-11-29 02:20:31 PM  

thurstonxhowell: How: Log scale
Why: To fit vastly different values on the same chart
Better why: To show how vastly unlikely it is that you will die of a snake bite by comparing the number of deaths from snake bites to the number of deaths from other things


Better? The mind doesn't grasp logarithmic scales as well as it does linear. If "To show how vastly unlikely" was the point, they did the exact opposite of what they should have done.
 
2012-11-29 02:30:43 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: CFC is dedicated to providing a conservative alternative to enormously liberal-biased fact checking sites like snopes.com, factcheck.org, and politifact.com.

Should tell you all you need to know. At least politifact is somewhat merciful to Republicans by trying to please both sides.


To be fair, snopes IS the #1 site for debunking all of grandpa's FWD: FWD: FWD: Fwd: Fwd: OBAMA'S SECRIT KENYAN PRO-BIN LADEN AGENDA!!! emails.
 
2012-11-29 03:10:05 PM  
On the plus side, I would never have known there was a Government Is Not God PAC were it not for this site. It's got all the wharrgarbl with nary a hint of Poe's Law.
 
2012-11-29 03:20:18 PM  
Wish they'd make their own internet.
 
2012-11-29 03:42:56 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Wish they'd make their own internet.


Internet Republicans are like your annoying little brother that follows you around and imitates you when you are trying to be cool.

There's the real internet that shuns Republicans, and then there's the Republican internet, which is a half-assed embarrassing attempt to be like the cool internet.

Except they'll never grow up.
 
2012-11-29 04:08:14 PM  
I'm waiting for Conservatives to go full-on and just create their own reality and deliberately construct it so that it never interacts with actual reality.

So this means they will eventually create their own versions of everything -- websites, books, TV channels, magazines, newspapers, museums, schools, theme parks, television channels, radio programs, foundations, institutions, think tanks and other media that form an echo chamber of insulating fundamentalism driven by so much reinforced rhetoric and unconditional self-affirmation that it never has to interfere with real life. Eventually it will get so complete that someone could go from birth to death entirely within this framework of reality and never interact with outside world at all.

This reality could then claim Romney won the election, and Romney would stage press conferences and speeches specifically for this reality, and these people would go on thinking that he won, and they'd listen to him speak whenever there's an issue or crisis, and all the sources they check confirm him as President because they aren't aware of any other sources, and whole generations could live within this "arboretum" of reality.

Just like Christianity.
 
2012-11-29 04:09:29 PM  
The problem: non-partisan fact checking.
The solution: partisan fact checking.

In the Conservative world, anyone who not actively Conservative is a Liberal not to be trusted. Furthermore, since the non-partisan fact checkers call BS on what Conservatives claim(because they in fact claim BS), this PROVES the fact checkers are Liberals! It in no way could have anything to do with them being completely out of touch with reality. NEVER!

Well they have Conservapedia already, so we really should not be surprised.
 
2012-11-29 04:36:02 PM  

maxheck: On the plus side, I would never have known there was a Government Is Not God PAC were it not for this site. It's got all the wharrgarbl with nary a hint of Poe's Law.


I clicked. "Floridans reject patriots - but relect a leftist lunatic". Read the story. Will now have to go watch Psych so as to erase my mind.

Thanks :(
 
2012-11-29 06:29:58 PM  
A few years ago I would be convinced this was satire. Now? Well, after this year's presidential election I'm not ruling out the distinct possibility this site is meant to be 100% serious. I didn't quit the Republican party for no reason.
 
2012-11-29 08:03:04 PM  
It's good to see how HerpaDerpaDoo is getting along these days.

/anyone got his chart showing that Obama is equal to like 4 Hitlers and how impressive that was since Hitler only reached a level of 0.8 Hitlers? That was the moment I realized he had gone beyond trolling into performance art, an early model Mike_LowELL.
//must have multiple slashies on Fark
 
2012-11-29 10:37:08 PM  
I'm more than happy to poke fun at the stupidity of Conservatives, but the website is too well written for it to be real. I vote Poe's.
 
2012-11-30 04:17:00 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels:
To have any semblance of fairness, PolitiFact should play it 50/50 and present an equal number of lies from both sides. They clearly are not concerned with any pretense.
???

What's confusing about it?

Politifact has rated far more Republican statements as being "pants-on-fire lies" (they'd rate them "pants on head retarded" too, if they could) than Democrat statements.

Clearly, therefore, Politifact is biased against Republicans.

Saying that Republicans are simply caught in more lies must be slander due to bias.

That's the logic there.

It's like saying that the police must be biased because they give out more speeding tickets to people who are driving Honda Civics than are driving Honda Minivans. The fact that more Civic drivers like to rice-rocket-out their rides and there are entire groups of people who think that you can street-race in Civics shouldn't enter into it, it's not fair that the cops don't give an equal number of tickets to Minivan drivers.
 
2012-11-30 04:29:25 AM  
May some enterprising troll come up with a site dedicated to making up outrageous political "scandals" and "stolen documents" to see how many idiots bite...
/you can call it WikiLeeks
//like WikiLeaks and The Onion put together
///make sure you give it plenty of WikiLeekSpin
 
2012-12-01 07:09:24 PM  
Heh. I checked on their story about voter turnout being higher than 100% and this is the introduction, speaking of the 2010 elections and the Tea Party:

"Many self-identified tea partiers weren't very politically savvy, and many of them lacked even a high school education, but the Tea Party gave them a place on the national stage. It was a beautiful example of democracy in action."
 
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