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(Time)   Time magazine covers medical marijuana use for children and all but says it will be the death of them. No wait, they actually say it is probably fine and link directly to relevant medical studies on PubMed within the article. Well I'll be   (healthland.time.com) divider line 57
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2012-11-29 09:38:00 AM
With it finally legal in WA and CO, we'll be able to see what kind of effect legalization will have on these respective societies.

Will things go on as usual? Will crime jump? Will meth abuse drop?

Tune in, true believers!
 
2012-11-29 09:41:20 AM
One thing's for sure, it'll calm the rowdy farkers right down.
 
2012-11-29 09:41:28 AM
b...b...b...but... REGAN said that top experts believed that marijuana was the most DANGEROUS drug in the US evar!
 
2012-11-29 09:41:30 AM
Medical marijuana use for children?

/what?
 
2012-11-29 09:43:01 AM

js34603: Medical marijuana use for children?

/what?


Probably applied through an inhaler or ingested via food. It would probably help out with chemo treatments or other ailments. Isn't one of the Prussian Blue girls one of the only children with a medicinal marijuana card for some severe medical issue?
 
2012-11-29 09:45:13 AM
FTA: Against her doctor's wishes, her mother, Erin Purchase, began giving her lime-flavored capsules filled with cannabis oil after she had a poor response to her initial chemotherapy treatment.

Mykayla's current doctor knows she takes the capsules, but doesn't discuss the marijuana as part of her medical therapy.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, however, disagrees, and opposes the use of marijuana to treat young children, citing its addictive potential and the many unknowns about how it may affect developing bodies.


Ah, another case where mom with ZERO medical education thinks she knows better than those who do.

/Actually, not really another case since Mykayla Comstock was in another FARK article earlier this week.
 
2012-11-29 09:45:34 AM
The tide might be turning on a lot of this. Anyone who has spent all of five minutes researching why marijuana is illegal in the first place knows how ridiculous it is. Add to that the incentive of saving taxpayer money on incarceration, and maybe common sense will come through.

The major hurdles left are:

1. Government agencies like the DEA won't easily give up funding, so look for all kinds of scare tactics from them.

2. The for-profit prison industry makes a killing on incarcerating marijuana offenders. They won't give up that money without a fight, either.
 
2012-11-29 09:47:52 AM
Whiskey is good for kids, too. Buy Whiskey.
 
2012-11-29 09:48:09 AM
There's wasps in my brain
 
2012-11-29 09:49:57 AM

Orgasmatron138: 1. Government agencies like the DEA won't easily give up funding, so look for all kinds of scare tactics from them.


I remember an interview with a former DEA agent (or a local cop who was on a drug task force) had a wake up call when performing a raid one night. As they were throwing a married couple of the floor and tussled them about, and having CPS haul the teenage kids out, he took a look around their immaculate living room and noticed a stack of textbooks and homework on the coffee table and thought "Well f*ck. We just not only ruined the lives of so-called criminals having a little fun on the weekend, but we ruined their kids' lives too."

After that he retired and started a service that educated people on how best to hide their stashes and to get away with drug use. Though he only educated people based on pot use, he was still opposed to just about every other illicit drug out there.
 
2012-11-29 09:51:23 AM
Meh... We give them various forms of speed all the time at younger and younger ages. I'd be surprised if this was more harmful in the long run.
 
2012-11-29 09:53:29 AM

NeoBad: There's wasps in my brain


cdn.videogum.com
 
2012-11-29 09:54:22 AM
It's just a matter of time before we read that smoking during pregnancy is not only harmless but is a good treatment for morning sickness
 
2012-11-29 09:57:44 AM
Good on Time for pointing out an obvious contradiction regarding childhood medical treatment. People boo and hiss that kids may be prescribed medical marijuana for specific treatments, which is understandable. However, no one seems to bat an eye when a juvenile cancer patient is prescribed Oxycontin or another strong opioid painkiller, a child with schizophrenia being prescribed mind-altering anti-psychotics or an adolescent prescribed amphetamine derivatives to treat ADHD.

I understand the apprehension for juvenile medical marijuana but I think that your average person has never thought about the damage any of those "accepted" drugs listed above can do, nor have they considered that those drugs might actually be MORE harmful to the child than a gram of hash oil daily (as in the case of the patient in question). The perception is distorted about medical marijuana, and marijuana in general, due to the legacy of propaganda and misinformation dating back as far as REEFER MADNESS. Possibly even further back than that, the public can't consider that some that makes you feel good can also be beneficial and minimally damaging.

Is the girl's mother potentially an idiot for blindly thinking marijuana is a cure-all? Possibly. Does that make the argument that medical marijuana is beneficial any less valid? No. Like most things in science, it shows promise but needs more research.
 
2012-11-29 10:01:20 AM
Yet, no Twinkies? What about the side effects?
 
2012-11-29 10:06:35 AM
once again it bums me out knowing voicing my opinion doesn't make a damn difference for or against anything any way. many of us have seen the televised documentaries from way back in the day stating the harmlessness of mary jane. a country that gladly goes to war to kill theirs and ours so a few may profit is far from being enlightened enough to enjoy a spliff when they can cash in on incarceration.
 
2012-11-29 10:07:56 AM
Old and Busted: Flintstones vitamins.

New Hotness: Flintstoned "vitamins". XD
 
2012-11-29 10:15:33 AM

Captain Steroid: Old and Busted: Flintstones vitamins.

New Hotness: Flintstoned "vitamins". XD


FLINTSTONES CHEWABLE MORPHINE!

/A Simpsons reference? In my Fark?
 
2012-11-29 10:18:36 AM
The addicts were toking regardless of the law.
The difference will be that the money goes into legit businesses.

/I predict a drop in crime in the legalized states, a spike in use in the ban states, and the banners demanding the fed do something about the legalizers before the statisticals make things apparent to everyone.
 
2012-11-29 10:19:26 AM
There's absolutely nothing medically relevant about that shiat. It's just a worthless plant that farks with your mind when stupid people decide to smoke it.
 
2012-11-29 10:20:45 AM
Pause my children and reflect for a moment.

Marijuana has been so effectively demonized by the criminals PROFITING from theWar on Drugs that the American Sociopathy Institute declared that it now appears to uninformed, fearmongered fools as THE BAD THING of all abused drugs. The lying, stealing, murdering politicians that keep it criminalized in return for, what? sure, MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! are doing a fantastic job.

A plant, cultivated and used safely for all of recorded time by all of humanity, is no threat to young or old. There is real science supporting it's safety and efficasy dating back thousands of years(oh, right, 6,000 years and disguised to look older by the Sky Fairy), but NO!, you idiots let some flaky industrial tool called a President(temporary and part time) just name it as Schedule I.
You march in the streets because of imagined affronts, but allow the US Government to victimize most of the world over a racist, profiteering LIE.

The Nannys have literally changed the world for their own profit, instilled misinformation and racist lies into the very fabric of our society.

/and you still call a plant "dope"?
//you da dope!
 
2012-11-29 10:22:10 AM

Orgasmatron138: The tide might be turning on a lot of this. Anyone who has spent all of five minutes researching why marijuana is illegal in the first place knows how ridiculous it is. Add to that the incentive of saving taxpayer money on incarceration, and maybe common sense will come through.

The major hurdles left are:

1. Government agencies like the DEA won't easily give up funding, so look for all kinds of scare tactics from them.

2. The for-profit prison industry makes a killing on incarcerating marijuana offenders. They won't give up that money without a fight, either.


There is almost no for profit prison industry and where there are for profit prisons, they are concentrated in a tiny number of states and have significantly less money than the companies who world make out like bandits if marijuana was legal: the tobacco and beverage companies.
 
2012-11-29 10:23:50 AM

CrappityCrap: There's absolutely nothing medically relevant about that shiat. It's just a worthless plant that farks with your mind when stupid people decide to smoke it.


Gee, a shame, other people seem to get more than you do out of it.
What evil, Job?
 
2012-11-29 10:25:14 AM
Clearly, we should thank the pioneers of childhood marijuana usage becoming accepted: Musical Youth.



/pass de dutchie on de left hand side
 
2012-11-29 10:25:20 AM

meanmutton: Orgasmatron138: The tide might be turning on a lot of this. Anyone who has spent all of five minutes researching why marijuana is illegal in the first place knows how ridiculous it is. Add to that the incentive of saving taxpayer money on incarceration, and maybe common sense will come through.

The major hurdles left are:

1. Government agencies like the DEA won't easily give up funding, so look for all kinds of scare tactics from them.

2. The for-profit prison industry makes a killing on incarcerating marijuana offenders. They won't give up that money without a fight, either.

There is almost no for profit prison industry and where there are for profit prisons, they are concentrated in a tiny number of states and have significantly less money than the companies who world make out like bandits if marijuana was legal: the tobacco and beverage companies.


My distribution plan does not involve the criminals in sugar and tobacco.
 
2012-11-29 10:30:46 AM
Approves.

www.blogsmithcdn.com
 
2012-11-29 10:32:44 AM

snocone: Pause my children and reflect for a moment.

Marijuana has been so effectively demonized by the criminals PROFITING from theWar on Drugs that the American Sociopathy Institute declared that it now appears to uninformed, fearmongered fools as THE BAD THING of all abused drugs. The lying, stealing, murdering politicians that keep it criminalized in return for, what? sure, MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! are doing a fantastic job.

A plant, cultivated and used safely for all of recorded time by all of humanity, is no threat to young or old. There is real science supporting it's safety and efficasy dating back thousands of years(oh, right, 6,000 years and disguised to look older by the Sky Fairy), but NO!, you idiots let some flaky industrial tool called a President(temporary and part time) just name it as Schedule I.
You march in the streets because of imagined affronts, but allow the US Government to victimize most of the world over a racist, profiteering LIE.

The Nannys have literally changed the world for their own profit, instilled misinformation and racist lies into the very fabric of our society.

/and you still call a plant "dope"?
//you da dope!


Yeah, man, plants can't hurt you. Cigarettes are deadly only because of the preservatives on the tobacco. Totally.
 
2012-11-29 10:34:26 AM
I am becoming pro-legalization. However, there are a few things the pro-legalization people say that are false.
1) Marijuana is not harmful. Wrong. While its harms have been overstated in the past, there are still some bad side effects. It probably impairs your ability to operate machinery longer than most people realize.

2) It'll only be legal for those over 18. Technically true, but kids will find ways to get it. More kids will be using after legalization than before.

3) We can get meaningful amounts of revenue from taxing it. Probably false. The higher the tax rate, the greater the black market. Also, most of the tax revenue would have to be spent on regulation (i.e. helping to make sure the brownie has the amount of THC claimed on the label, keeping it away from kids, away from the black market, etc).

4) Everyone who wants to use it is using it already. False. Many people simply don't do things just because they're illegal. Call them goody-goodies if you want, but they're out there, and society will have to deal with them getting high and becoming less healthy (maybe) and engaging in weirder, riskier behaviors (maybe).
 
2012-11-29 10:34:34 AM

mekki: FTA: Against her doctor's wishes, her mother, Erin Purchase, began giving her lime-flavored capsules filled with cannabis oil after she had a poor response to her initial chemotherapy treatment.

Mykayla's current doctor knows she takes the capsules, but doesn't discuss the marijuana as part of her medical therapy.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, however, disagrees, and opposes the use of marijuana to treat young children, citing its addictive potential and the many unknowns about how it may affect developing bodies.

Ah, another case where mom with ZERO medical education thinks she knows better than those who do.


It is difficult to decide which side is more ignorant; the one who has no formal medical education, or the one who willfully spews errant nonsense.
 
2012-11-29 10:38:03 AM

mbillips: snocone: Pause my children and reflect for a moment.

Marijuana has been so effectively demonized by the criminals PROFITING from theWar on Drugs that the American Sociopathy Institute declared that it now appears to uninformed, fearmongered fools as THE BAD THING of all abused drugs. The lying, stealing, murdering politicians that keep it criminalized in return for, what? sure, MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! are doing a fantastic job.

A plant, cultivated and used safely for all of recorded time by all of humanity, is no threat to young or old. There is real science supporting it's safety and efficasy dating back thousands of years(oh, right, 6,000 years and disguised to look older by the Sky Fairy), but NO!, you idiots let some flaky industrial tool called a President(temporary and part time) just name it as Schedule I.
You march in the streets because of imagined affronts, but allow the US Government to victimize most of the world over a racist, profiteering LIE.

The Nannys have literally changed the world for their own profit, instilled misinformation and racist lies into the very fabric of our society.

/and you still call a plant "dope"?
//you da dope!

Yeah, man, plants can't hurt you. Cigarettes are deadly only because of the preservatives on the tobacco. Totally.


Just put me on ignor. I can't deal with the stupid.
Or would you prefer an insult to your family, heritage or gender?
 
2012-11-29 10:38:50 AM

Infobahn: Yet, no Twinkies? What about the side effects?


.

Scientific studies have show that rats given a diet of Twinkies got fat and died of fat related diseases.
 
2012-11-29 10:40:30 AM

snocone: My distribution plan does not involve the criminals in sugar and tobacco.


If you think that beverage companies are going to pass up promoting their thirst-quenching abilities where cannabis becomes legal, renaming dry mouth "a dry thirst" or something, you are insane
 
2012-11-29 10:41:06 AM

CrappityCrap: There's absolutely nothing medically relevant about that shiat. It's just a worthless plant that farks with your mind when stupid people decide to smoke it.


.
It cured my fu-fu-farkkiing Tourettes.
 
2012-11-29 10:41:34 AM

Stone Meadow: mekki: FTA: Against her doctor's wishes, her mother, Erin Purchase, began giving her lime-flavored capsules filled with cannabis oil after she had a poor response to her initial chemotherapy treatment.

Mykayla's current doctor knows she takes the capsules, but doesn't discuss the marijuana as part of her medical therapy.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, however, disagrees, and opposes the use of marijuana to treat young children, citing its addictive potential and the many unknowns about how it may affect developing bodies.

Ah, another case where mom with ZERO medical education thinks she knows better than those who do.

It is difficult to decide which side is more ignorant; the one who has no formal medical education, or the one who willfully spews errant nonsense.


The one with antecdotal results is a clear winner!
Has the chance to be correct and do some good.
Willful lies on the other hand have a 0 sum.

/first person experience with the wonder of the placebo effect on humans
//now that is some strong chit, Maynard
 
2012-11-29 10:42:32 AM

SwiftFox: snocone: My distribution plan does not involve the criminals in sugar and tobacco.

If you think that beverage companies are going to pass up promoting their thirst-quenching abilities where cannabis becomes legal, renaming dry mouth "a dry thirst" or something, you are insane


Why, yes I am.
I have papers,,,
 
2012-11-29 10:44:38 AM
sfist.com

How sick am I? Yes.
 
2012-11-29 10:48:11 AM

The Southern Logic Company: a child with schizophrenia being prescribed mind-altering anti-psychotics


If you are a kid with active schizophrenia, your mind has come pre-altered.

The joke here is that half the outrage likely revolves not around the marijuana, but the smoking.
 
2012-11-29 10:49:39 AM

snocone: A plant, cultivated and used safely for all of recorded time by all of humanity, is no threat to young or old.


KGB umbrella needles disagree.
 
2012-11-29 10:57:19 AM

mekki: FTA: Against her doctor's wishes, her mother, Erin Purchase, began giving her lime-flavored capsules filled with cannabis oil after she had a poor response to her initial chemotherapy treatment.

Mykayla's current doctor knows she takes the capsules, but doesn't discuss the marijuana as part of her medical therapy.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, however, disagrees, and opposes the use of marijuana to treat young children, citing its addictive potential and the many unknowns about how it may affect developing bodies.


Ah, another case where mom with ZERO medical education thinks she knows better than those who do.

/Actually, not really another case since Mykayla Comstock was in another FARK article earlier this week.


Protip: Doctors aren't the ones to go to for recent information...they tend to be 10-15 years behind the research. There is plenty of research out there on the medicinal effects of marijuana, then anti-tumoral effects, and the potent anti-nausea effects...the mother is probably more educated in this area than a slow-moving institutional body.
 
DB
2012-11-29 10:58:41 AM
Kids on drugs trifecta in play.
 
2012-11-29 11:02:16 AM

This text is now purple: The Southern Logic Company: a child with schizophrenia being prescribed mind-altering anti-psychotics

If you are a kid with active schizophrenia, your mind has come pre-altered.


Indeed, those medications are beneficial to those affected by the ailments I described. However, what of a child incorrectly diagnosed with Bi-Polar, BPD, schizophrenia, ADHD or depression who is taking the mind altering drugs without a pre-altered mind? Their development is surely affected by exposure to those drugs.

After volunteering in a mental institution and seeing people with serious problems heavily medicated, I have begun to appreciate the power of anti-psychotic drugs and their potential affect on developing minds. Marijuana is not impervious to this either, there is strong science against developing children being exposed to marijuana. However, I believe that science covers serious everyday smokers rather than a treatment setting or an occasional smoker, though I can't remember exactly.

Could marijuana actually have cancer fighting properties? Possibly. As I said earlier, there needs to be more research.

/Consequently, guess what is blocking that research from being done?
 
2012-11-29 11:04:28 AM

js34603: Medical marijuana use for children?

/what?


I'd like to try it to treat the aggression and hyperactivity of my son with autism. Can't be worse than the prescription drugs they put our kids on.
 
2012-11-29 11:04:49 AM

GentDirkly: I am becoming pro-legalization. However, there are a few things the pro-legalization people say that are false.
1) Marijuana is not harmful. Wrong. While its harms have been overstated in the past, there are still some bad side effects. It probably impairs your ability to operate machinery longer than most people realize.

2) It'll only be legal for those over 18. Technically true, but kids will find ways to get it. More kids will be using after legalization than before.

3) We can get meaningful amounts of revenue from taxing it. Probably false. The higher the tax rate, the greater the black market. Also, most of the tax revenue would have to be spent on regulation (i.e. helping to make sure the brownie has the amount of THC claimed on the label, keeping it away from kids, away from the black market, etc).

4) Everyone who wants to use it is using it already. False. Many people simply don't do things just because they're illegal. Call them goody-goodies if you want, but they're out there, and society will have to deal with them getting high and becoming less healthy (maybe) and engaging in weirder, riskier behaviors (maybe).


1.) Not at all, the research shows that experienced smokers exhibit little if any decrease in driving skills, and tend to become more cautious while driving.

2.) And what evidence do you have that use will increase? Many studies have shown that legal alcohol is more difficult for high schoolers to get than marijuana.

3.) the relationship isn't that simple, and considering how inflated the price is due to the black market, the amount of increased taxation on the product can be huge, as prices to grow and sell marijuana will drop precipitously.

4.) Sure some people will try it, but so what? Do you think pot is like meth or something?
 
2012-11-29 11:08:50 AM

Orgasmatron138: The tide might be turning on a lot of this. Anyone who has spent all of five minutes researching why marijuana is illegal in the first place knows how ridiculous it is. Add to that the incentive of saving taxpayer money on incarceration, and maybe common sense will come through.

The major hurdles left are:

1. Government agencies like the DEA won't easily give up funding, so look for all kinds of scare tactics from them.

2. The for-profit prison industry makes a killing on incarcerating marijuana offenders. They won't give up that money without a fight, either.



Yeah, but you forgot the biggest hurdle of them all: It is still illegal according to federal law, meaning that no bank (even your local little mom and pop credit union) is going to be willing to handle your dope business accounts. And you really don't want to attempt to handle cash-only business on that scale.
 
2012-11-29 11:09:19 AM
The paradigm of "smoking" , it's dangers and ill effects are not the issue.
Smoking marijuana is the least efficient and poorest delivery mechanism. Very difficult to regulate dosage in the first place.

This confusion is, of course, no accident perpetrated by the demonizers.
With proper development, oral, rectal and vapor ingestion, just like "real medicine" will be the preferred method of dosage.
 
2012-11-29 11:13:04 AM

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: GentDirkly: I am becoming pro-legalization. However, there are a few things the pro-legalization people say that are false.
1) Marijuana is not harmful. Wrong. While its harms have been overstated in the past, there are still some bad side effects. It probably impairs your ability to operate machinery longer than most people realize.

2) It'll only be legal for those over 18. Technically true, but kids will find ways to get it. More kids will be using after legalization than before.

3) We can get meaningful amounts of revenue from taxing it. Probably false. The higher the tax rate, the greater the black market. Also, most of the tax revenue would have to be spent on regulation (i.e. helping to make sure the brownie has the amount of THC claimed on the label, keeping it away from kids, away from the black market, etc).

4) Everyone who wants to use it is using it already. False. Many people simply don't do things just because they're illegal. Call them goody-goodies if you want, but they're out there, and society will have to deal with them getting high and becoming less healthy (maybe) and engaging in weirder, riskier behaviors (maybe).

1.) Not at all, the research shows that experienced smokers exhibit little if any decrease in driving skills, and tend to become more cautious while driving.

2.) And what evidence do you have that use will increase? Many studies have shown that legal alcohol is more difficult for high schoolers to get than marijuana.

3.) the relationship isn't that simple, and considering how inflated the price is due to the black market, the amount of increased taxation on the product can be huge, as prices to grow and sell marijuana will drop precipitously.

4.) Sure some people will try it, but so what? Do you think pot is like meth or something?


Don't you have just a teeny tiny bit of irate concern that for decades the truth is ignored and supressed and fearmongering fantasy is shamelessly foisted off as the official paerty line?
THIS should be illegal!
 
2012-11-29 11:23:35 AM
The thing people are missing here is the poor kid, cannabis or not, will probably have to live in a chemo fog for the rest of her life, because the anticancer drugs can destroy whole classes of brain cells. Hope she avoids that, forget about the cannabis oil.

OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised if they found out it protected those brain cells from being destroyed by chemo, clogging up receptor sites that would be destroyed or something or made the effect even worse by acting with the chemo drugs. It seems to have other "protective" or function-suppressing effects. In a sane world it would already have been tested in adults to see if it helps this or makes things worse.
 
2012-11-29 11:50:29 AM
The only reason weed is an issue is because of its intoxicating effects. Giving it to kids isn'tmuch different than giving them alcohol .

Smoking it might cause cancer, other delivery methods probably won't.

The only real question is whether or not we want our kids intoxicated.

Smoking weed makes you stupid, but I can't say its any worse than beer.
 
2012-11-29 11:50:58 AM
Dope is for Dopes
 
2012-11-29 11:52:47 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: "Will things go on as usual? Will crime jump?"

These two, basically.
The only big differences will be that the profits, taxes and crimes will actually be reported now.
And may be earned, paid and suffered by somewhat different people.

So recorded statistics can be expected to jump, even though day-to-day life will continue much as it ever has.
 
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