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(KATU)   "I am stuck on top of a mountain, in the snow, at 10,000 feet awaiting rescue". If he gets 10000 "Likes", maybe someone will rescue him   (katu.com) divider line 52
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2012-11-29 11:19:19 AM  
Death by Facebook?
 
2012-11-29 11:20:02 AM  
Stupid white people problems.
 
2012-11-29 11:20:03 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 11:20:31 AM  
He haz zee Crazy Eyes.
 
2012-11-29 11:20:43 AM  
4 season winter bivy = ~2lbs 7oz
Insulated pad = ~1lb 14oz
800+ power down -20 mummy bag = ~4lbs

Total weight ~8lbs 5oz.

You're at 10k feet. 8 pounds isn't that heavy. Text the wife, and bivy that shiat out until the next day. $1000 worth of gear is much better than phoning SAR to traipse out there to retrieve your ass.
 
2012-11-29 11:21:48 AM  

vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.


If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.
 
2012-11-29 11:22:14 AM  
Those eyes...
 
2012-11-29 11:29:57 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.


One part of me agrees with you. The other parts asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?
 
2012-11-29 11:30:03 AM  

itcheyness: Those eyes...


I know, right? I think it was a good thing that he was climbing alone. If he had a partner, dude may have gone Donner on his ass
 
2012-11-29 11:30:54 AM  
Shouldn't have eaten that York Peppermint Patty.
 
2012-11-29 11:31:50 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.


Pretty much. But you left out "Dumbassmitter" (Or something similar) after proving that you have at minimum 2nd grade reading comprehension unlike the submitter.
 
2012-11-29 11:31:56 AM  

mozemoo: Shouldn't have eaten that York Peppermint Patty.


Came for this. Satisfied.
 
2012-11-29 11:37:40 AM  
He was probably one of those that screamed when the state talked about requiring climber insurance.
 
2012-11-29 11:38:17 AM  
Wouldn't it be 5000 people? Assuming their lower limbs are intact.
 
2012-11-29 11:41:52 AM  
He should have left the slatted wooden chair at home.
 
2012-11-29 11:42:05 AM  
Kish said he had friends that knew some (sic) his rescuers.
 
2012-11-29 11:42:26 AM  
img83.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-29 11:42:35 AM  
I always wonder who foots the bill for these rescue efforts. Just doesn't seem right if it's on the public dime.
 
2012-11-29 11:43:12 AM  

loki see loki do: He should have left the slatted wooden chair at home.


*shakes fist*

i just had to find an image..
 
2012-11-29 11:48:35 AM  

aharown: I always wonder who foots the bill for these rescue efforts. Just doesn't seem right if it's on the public dime.


It depends on the state. Sometimes they are basically non-profits. Sometimes you can pay an extra fee with your fishing/hunting license that is essentially insurance for an SAR effort (or you can go simply pay the fee where you purchase fishing and hunting licenses). Regardless, many, if not most, SAR teams are volunteers.

I *think* some states will charge for rescues but I'm not sure. You can purchase yearly insurance from places like American Alpine Club. It's not too expensive and covers quite a bit of mountain/backcountry rescue costs.
 
2012-11-29 11:49:01 AM  

itcheyness: Those eyes...


Better check that guy for wolf bites. Never seen eyes that color.
 
2012-11-29 11:50:53 AM  
"Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out.
Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price."
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
 
2012-11-29 11:56:11 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.


i110.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 12:08:01 PM  

cgraves67: The other part asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?


Because then he wouldn't be able to post about his harrowing escape from death?

I'd be more embarrassed to admit that I called for a rescue when I was just fine, than hunkering down and waiting to see if I could make it down the next day, or even the day after that. Did the dumbass not check the weather reports before he left?
 
2012-11-29 12:15:10 PM  

Kazrath: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.

Pretty much. But you left out "Dumbassmitter" (Or something similar) after proving that you have at minimum 2nd grade reading comprehension unlike the submitter.


Pretty much. Subby read the story, read that the person did a Facebook update on the mountain, and ran to Fark to "hurr, durr, dumass posted from FB while stranded on mountain he r teh dum LOLOLOLOL"
 
2012-11-29 12:17:10 PM  
OK, frozen poop is coming out now.
 
2012-11-29 12:17:24 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.


Sick of these people. He got scared and called for help. Check the weather report if you don't like hiking in white-outs and take someone with you if you are a scaredy-cat. I'm serious.
 
2012-11-29 12:26:16 PM  

cryinoutloud: cgraves67: The other part asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?

Because then he wouldn't be able to post about his harrowing escape from death?

I'd be more embarrassed to admit that I called for a rescue when I was just fine, than hunkering down and waiting to see if I could make it down the next day, or even the day after that. Did the dumbass not check the weather reports before he left?


It's ridiculous the number of people who call for help when they're actually fine.

I recall that not that long in some place in the Northeast two people called for help because it got dark and they were scared. The reason they were in the woods was to go camping, so they had all their gear. SAR told them to piss off and walk out in the morning.

Of course, now I can't find the article.

I have heard of some places now charging people who need rescue only because they were stupid.
 
2012-11-29 12:26:21 PM  

azazyel: "Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out.
Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price."
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers


I'm okay with counting the price when it is asshats who ski out of bounds.
 
2012-11-29 12:42:53 PM  

Medic Zero: azazyel: "Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out.
Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price."
― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers

I'm okay with counting the price when it is asshats who ski out of bounds.


Hopefully you don't mean all people who ski out of bounds are asshats.

/almost never skis at resorts
//never needed rescue
///may or may not still be an asshat

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-11-29 12:53:10 PM  

cgraves67: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.

One part of me agrees with you. The other parts asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?


Hindsight is 20/20. Large mountains create their own highly localized weather patterns which makes predicting conditions notoriously difficult and unreliable. It could be warm and sunny at the summit and transition to a blizzard in 30 minutes, and the weather report will say "clear skies" the entire time. Playing it safe by calling for rescue is smart.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and routinely ran into this. Longs Peak, 14,000 feet and perfect weather. 15 minutes later the sky turns black and you're in a raging thunderstorm above treeline with no cover in sight and the safety of your car is a 6 hour hike away. Good times!
 
2012-11-29 12:56:03 PM  
The weather is constantly changing on Mt. Hood during this time of the year. Hard to determine the weather.
 
2012-11-29 01:00:17 PM  

ElBarto79: cgraves67: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.

One part of me agrees with you. The other parts asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?

Hindsight is 20/20. Large mountains create their own highly localized weather patterns which makes predicting conditions notoriously difficult and unreliable. It could be warm and sunny at the summit and transition to a blizzard in 30 minutes, and the weather report will say "clear skies" the entire time. Playing it safe by calling for rescue is smart.

I lived in Colorado for awhile and routinely ran into this. Longs Peak, 14,000 feet and perfect weather. 15 minutes later the sky turns black and you're in a raging thunderstorm above treeline with no cover in sight and the safety of your car is a 6 hour hike away. Good times!


The article says visibility was down to 4 feet. That's literally "can't see the ground you are standing on" visibility.
 
2012-11-29 01:04:24 PM  

aharown: I always wonder who foots the bill for these rescue efforts. Just doesn't seem right if it's on the public dime.


I don't know about the whole country, but here, the SAR teams are all-volunteer. They don't do helicopter rides, though-- that's the air ambulance services, and you'd better believe there's a bill.
 
2012-11-29 01:05:40 PM  

TheTrashcanMan: The weather is constantly changing on Mt. Hood during this time of the year. Hard to determine the weather.


dittybopper: The article says visibility was down to 4 feet. That's literally "can't see the ground you are standing on" visibility.


DK47 would have been fine.
 
2012-11-29 01:09:28 PM  
Charging for rescue can put people in more danger, because now they are thinking about the cost of assistance when they need assistance. Maybe instead of calling for help, they get themselves in deeper crap trying to save a buck.

Generally, the people in the situation are also tax payers.. so the argument of "my tax dollars" is a bit moot.
 
2012-11-29 01:18:44 PM  

santadog: Charging for rescue can put people in more danger, because now they are thinking about the cost of assistance when they need assistance. Maybe instead of calling for help, they get themselves in deeper crap trying to save a buck.

Generally, the people in the situation are also tax payers.. so the argument of "my tax dollars" is a bit moot.


Agreed. they likely also paid for permits, parking, and plenty of other park fees. shiat happens on the mountain. I'd rather be embarrassed than dead.

I'm not much of a mountaineer but I hike plenty. Did the zion narrows this summer - spectacular hike. I prepared properly, paid my fees and bought my permits and had all the right gear and everything went just wonderfully. But the fact is if I'd have broken an ankle there's not a snowball's chance in hell my wife and her sister could have drug my ass out of that slot canyon by themselves. They'd have needed help. Going out ill-prepared is stupid and deserving of being chastised. But anyone who thinks shiat can't go wrong even when you do everything right is an arrogant ass.
 
2012-11-29 01:27:35 PM  

JohnBigBootay: But the fact is if I'd have broken an ankle there's not a snowball's chance in hell my wife and her sister could have drug my ass out of that slot canyon by themselves.


I've been on Fark too long. I read that as "slut canyon".
 
2012-11-29 01:48:06 PM  

dittybopper: JohnBigBootay: But the fact is if I'd have broken an ankle there's not a snowball's chance in hell my wife and her sister could have drug my ass out of that slot canyon by themselves.

I've been on Fark too long. I read that as "slut canyon".


Never hiked a slut canyon but if I knew where to get a permit I'd be willing to give it a shot.
 
2012-11-29 02:10:22 PM  
Only 10,000 feet? That's the base elevation for some ski resorts in Colorado.
 
2012-11-29 02:30:44 PM  

FriarED1: That's the base elevation for some ski resorts in Colorado.


Sure, but hood has the longest season, you can ski in the summer if you wanted to because the lift is still going.
 
2012-11-29 02:55:26 PM  
Facebook-posting climber stranded on Mt. Hood found safe. What a safe was doing on Mt. Hood, I'll never know.
 
2012-11-29 02:57:34 PM  

dk47: Sick of these people. He got scared and called for help. Check the weather report if you don't like hiking in white-outs and take someone with you if you are a scaredy-cat. I'm serious.


Like I said, he screwed up by being alone on the mountain. I am by no means a qualified mountaineer, but I do dive a lot, and will NEVER go in the water alone. I would imagine mountain climbers, especially in such extreme conditions, would have a similar cardinal rule. Hell, in the scouts they drilled into us never to go on a basic trail hike without a buddy, lets you sprain an ankle or something silly. On the whiteout conditions...I can see how that can happen....the call for snow was apparently only 1-3 inches, which isn't exactly a blizzard. Once you get up on the mountain, the winds can quickly and sometimes unexpectedly turn that into a pretty nasty whiteout, which appears to have happened in this place.

Kazrath: Pretty much. But you left out "Dumbassmitter" (Or something similar) after proving that you have at minimum 2nd grade reading comprehension unlike the submitter.


Meh. I was in a charitable mood this morning.

cgraves67: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.

One part of me agrees with you. The other parts asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?


Visibility was 4 feet, he knew there were cliffs around him, and despite having the right gear, it still gets farking COLD at night at those altitudes and if you CAN get off the mountain, you do.
 
2012-11-29 03:22:57 PM  
I'm on the top of the world lookin' down on creation
And the only explanation I can find
Is that I was really drunk
And HOLY FARKIN' shiat GET ME OFFA THIS FARKIN' MOUNTAIN!!!
 
2012-11-29 03:24:36 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: I would imagine mountain climbers, especially in such extreme conditions, would have a similar cardinal rule.



It depends on the situation. I prefer to solo and I enjoy it quite a bit. But I make sure I have the correct gear. In addition to that, I take a fair amount of time to assess the risk. This can translate into longer climbs and a heavier pack load.

Last year, I made an attempt Thunderbolt Peak (if you want to call it that) while there was still so much snow that crampons were required 1/4 mile from the trail head. Due to extreme melt-off the rockfall danger was too great for me to attempt alone so I bailed.


NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Visibility was 4 feet, he knew there were cliffs around him, and despite having the right gear, it still gets farking COLD at night at those altitudes and if you CAN get off the mountain, you do.


The article didn't really elaborate on the gear he had. If he had a good bivy, bag, and pad, he could have easily rode out the night. Plus, it only talks about his phone and how they lost contact when his phone died. I don't go *anywhere* solo in the back country without an emergency beacon. The fact that he wasn't carrying one, on Mt. Hood of all places, suggests he didn't have *all* the gear he should have had....and 2-3 months of your average cell phone bill would probably cover a year's sub for a Satellite tracker (Spot = $200 for device and a year plan..another $50 for tracking feature).
 
2012-11-29 03:54:09 PM  

Spade: I recall that not that long in some place in the Northeast two people called for help because it got dark and they were scared. The reason they were in the woods was to go camping, so they had all their gear. SAR told them to piss off and walk out in the morning.


That reminds me of this incident from 2009. A group of four called in for help three times in the same number of days.
 
2012-11-29 04:43:08 PM  

santadog: Charging for rescue can put people in more danger, because now they are thinking about the cost of assistance when they need assistance. Maybe instead of calling for help, they get themselves in deeper crap trying to save a buck.

Generally, the people in the situation are also tax payers.. so the argument of "my tax dollars" is a bit moot.


THIS.

"Hey, why are firemen wasting MY tax dollars saving that home? They shouldn't have been burning candles."
 
2012-11-29 07:31:41 PM  

aharown: I always wonder who foots the bill for these rescue efforts. Just doesn't seem right if it's on the public dime.


My buddies and I went camping for a weekend in the mountains in AZ one time (20 miles outside of Payson off the beeline if anyone is familar with the area) and we were well prepared. 60% chance of rain was the forecast. By 8pm it's snowing. Obviously we're drunk, in the wilderness, pitch black out so we aren't going anywhere. By morning the entire place is blanketed and it's still coming down, had to be 4 inches on the ground at this point. Packed up, tried driving out and we got stuck not even near the campsite enough to walk back. Had to call for SAR and the sheriff's department, they even had 3 vehicles get stuck there. Finally got out by 7 am on the next day. After explaining everything to the sheriff's they decided our trip wasn't to see the snow but to actually go camping and we had bad luck and timing, they said that we wouldn't be billed for the rescue. However if we were like "hurr durr LET'S SEE SNOW" we would have paid for whole damn operation.

tl;dr: Got stuck while camping, required large SAR team. When the sheriff was asking why we were there and we explained the trip and that we'd checked the weather, that we weren't jackasses there to see snow they said we wouldn't be billed for the operation.

/csb
//when I have 10 minutes to tell the entire tale it's far more interesting.
 
2012-11-29 07:59:59 PM  
Timberline Lodge absorbs some of the costs. I drove the snow cat with the 13 Portland Mountain Rescue personnel, to the top of the Palmer chairlift. Top of Palmer is 8,540 ft, NOT 6,900. He was located exactly .73 miles from the top of Palmer. He panicked. He disregarded the weather forecast. He is lucky
 
2012-11-29 10:38:12 PM  

cgraves67: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: vudukungfu: Stupid white people problems.

If you read the article, he actually did everything right, except for being alone on the mountain. He registered his climb, had adequate gear, and when conditions got dicey and he knew he was in a dangerous area, he played it safe, hunkered down, and called for help.

One part of me agrees with you. The other parts asks that if he had all the gear and it only snowed 1-3 inches at that altitude, why didn't he just wait it out?


Snow wasn't the issue. A lenticular cloud formed over the summit, and he wasn't able to see ANYTHING. Even a step by step GPS may have killed him as there are cliff bands and fumaroles up there. He was prepared and he did the right thing.
 
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