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2012-11-29 01:08:05 AM
4 votes:
First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.
2012-11-29 12:42:55 AM
4 votes:
The Gulf Stream, how does it farking work?
2012-11-29 02:55:32 AM
3 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

Bring back The Frost Fair on The Thames.

What's it been? Three... four centuries?
2012-11-29 02:53:07 AM
2 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: StreetlightInTheGhetto:
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Neither makes any sense. Global petroleum demand is constantly increasing, and no one has to bribe anyone to keep selling shiat tonnes of it, or keep prices up.


It's not so much about demand, it's about the fact that the EPA might fine them. These companies use their own "climate experts" to try to persuade everybody that their pollution causes no environmental harm. It really is all about money.
2012-11-29 02:41:59 AM
2 votes:

bookman: Global Climate Change is the perfect scam. It cannot be proved false. Too warm? Global Climate Change. Too Cold? Global Climate Change. Inconvenient climate? Oh, that's just weather, dummy!

LOL!


"I don't understand how it works, therefore it doesn't happen! LOL!"
2012-11-29 02:03:01 AM
2 votes:

johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.

The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


It's all of the above. The planet on average is warming, but it is not doing so uniformly. Local climates may change in either direction, warming faster than the average (e.g. the arctic) or cooling due to shifts in winds or ocean currents.

George Carlin summed it up quite nicely. "The planet is fine. The people are farked."
2012-11-29 01:55:05 AM
2 votes:
London's latitude is somewhere between that of Calgary And Edmonton. And it's an ISLAND. The only reason it's not covered in a foot of ice 6 months a year is the warm air that comes off the gulf stream. If the gulf stream gets disrupted, Great Britain is proper farked.
2012-11-29 01:41:49 AM
2 votes:
I think the quote in the documentary "The Corporation" best sums it up.

(I paraphrase)

"In the last 75 years, mankind has consumed and burned more resources than in the entire history of the Earth combined".

The Earth has been around for approximately 4.5 billion years. A lot has happened in that time, certainly. But consider that in a time span of only 75 years, a blink of an eye in comparison with the age of the planet, we have burned more gas, more diesel, clear-cut more forests and polluted more air to travel trillions of miles in planes, cars, trains and buses. And in that same span we have industrialized vast swaths of the planet for the sole purpose of producing stuff.

And there are those that would have us believe that this utterly unprecedented impact to the environment has had no consequence whatsoever.

Really.
2012-11-29 01:37:24 AM
2 votes:
Ask NJ & NY. What could go wrong?
2012-11-29 01:25:29 AM
2 votes:

johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.



Global Warming: accurate description of what is occurring (the global aggregate temperature is increasing)
Climate Change: accurate description and EFFECT of Global Warming
Climate Instability: who the fark used this?

Might i suggest you actually know what the fark you're talking about before you ever open your mouth again

just a suggestion.
2012-11-29 01:24:32 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: No one ever blames good weather on Global Warming...
:(


We had a *great* winter in Michigan last year. As in, we really... didn't have one. I was digging in clay soil in effing January. Great for me.

Really sucked for most of the farmers here, because that beautifully unseasonably warm weather caused apple and cherries and damn near anything else we have here you don't start from seed to begin growth early... and then got killed by a snap frost that wasn't even really a snap if I remember correctly in the historical sense... it historically made sense. Just not last year.

Great for me other than Michigan fruit costing way more than it used to (yeah that sucks). Really sucks for the farmers and people who make products with those crops and who profit from festivals celebrating those crops etc...

/yeah, climate change
//happening
///you are not a freaking brilliant scientific mind and "it don't sound right" doesn't mean it isn't true 

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2012-11-29 01:13:02 AM
2 votes:

bookman: Global Climate Change is the perfect scam. It cannot be proved false. Too warm? Global Climate Change. Too Cold? Global Climate Change. Inconvenient climate? Oh, that's just weather, dummy!

LOL!


www.coolgizmotoys.com
2012-11-29 01:11:41 AM
2 votes:

johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


Well all the science you provided is very convincing.
2012-11-29 01:09:53 AM
2 votes:
I remember reading 20 some odd years ago that climate change might disrupt oceanic currents possibly causing another mini ice age in Europe. So, cool tag?
2012-11-29 01:08:18 AM
2 votes:
Apparently, a large enough influx of fresh water into the North Atlantic due to melting ice could potentially put a complete halt to the Gulf Stream. If that happens the, ironically, global warming could trigger an ice age.
2012-11-29 01:05:44 AM
2 votes:
Britain faces coldest winter in 100 years due to (spins wheela model that has been predicted for the last 20 years). Ah, global warming
2012-11-29 01:05:15 AM
2 votes:
No one ever blames good weather on Global Warming...
:(
2012-11-29 12:57:39 AM
2 votes:
I think it's called "Global Climate Change."
2012-11-29 11:08:45 PM
1 votes:

johnperkins: Bontesla: johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.

Are these not all descriptions of the same event?

From the standpoint of politicians / salesmen /weasel words, no. Wearing a layman hat, they sound like this-

Global warming- the world is getting hotter.

Climate change- the world isn't getting hotter where you are? Okay, so it's 'climate change' now. Gets hotter? Climate change. Gets colder? Climate change.

Climate instability- any change at all means the world's going to end in the next 10 years.

If I put on the science hat with a lining of skepticism, I still don't see anything worth trusting. There are groups of scientists on each side, saying the other side's scientists are idiots.

If someone tells me cheese is now dangerous because it has been found to undergo spontaneous fusion, I probably won't believe them. If dairies world wide start to detonate with the appropriate radiation signature, then I would take it seriously.

The problem is the signal to noise ratio or, in this case, the message to BS ratio. The ratio is too low for me right now.


That's disingenuous. I'm not asking if, politically, you're able to illustrate how the words are dangerous. I'm asking if, scientifically, are these not all descriptions of the same event? The answer is yes.

And the BSAB argument is a terrible one. If you're unable to form thoughts independent of political speech and pandering then you have no business advocating for anything to anyone. Who cares if both sides froth at the mouth if there's actual science to review? I don't need to like the person trying to save my life if they're using reason and facts for the purpose of saving my life. Further, while both sides may be bad, that does not mean both sides are equally bad nor does it mean both sides are guilty of the same bad qualities.

There is actual science. The issue is much simpler than you're suggesting. Simply toss out all of the noise and focus on the science.
2012-11-29 07:12:10 PM
1 votes:

chuckufarlie: since there have been some people posting lies, I thought I would show some truth. The idea that the average global temperature is increasing and is higher than since 1850 is just not true.

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Shouldn't you be showing us a chart of average global temperature, instead of one for the just the US?

Or at least offer some explanation why the US alone is accurate proxy data for the entire world.
2012-11-29 09:44:22 AM
1 votes:
Based on an average annual passenger car mileage of 12,500 miles and an average annual light truck mileage of 14,000 miles, your car emits the following pollutants: 108 pounds of hydrocarbons, 854 pounds of carbon monoxide, 55.8 pounds of oxides on nitrogen, 16,034 pounds of carbon dioxide, 813 gallons of gasoline evaporates.

Times over a biliion cars on the planet, surpassed in 2011. Not to mention factories, shipping, aircraft, rail, slash and burn, etc.

If you don't think that affects a finite system ... well, you are more to be pitied than despised for your disadvantageous thought process. That is as polite as I can be.
2012-11-29 07:20:59 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Why won't you buy my carbon credits?
2012-11-29 04:36:38 AM
1 votes:
I sense a conspiracy.

Yeah we have scientists saying stuff, yeah we're still doing the same thing, the big companies doing the same shiat to stifle innovation into alternative energy solutions. They aren't going to change, don't give one fark, never will. The majority of people don't either 1) give a fark either 2) will not do anything to stop consumption.

Profit drives everything in the western world. The financial elite would rather see the majority of the people dead and cling on to the "way things are" destroy the planet and humanity in the course of maintaining power. They'll pay minions to fight their fight for them. Minions being minions will continue to clamor to kiss ass for more money (crumbs really).

Obama will fix it.
2012-11-29 03:12:35 AM
1 votes:
johnperkins:


Kazan: johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


Global Warming: accurate description of what is occurring (the global aggregate temperature is increasing)
Climate Change: accurate description and EFFECT of Global Warming
Climate Instability: who the fark used this?

Might i suggest you actually know what the fark you're talking about before you ever open your mouth again

just a suggestion.



I wasn't addressing the science of it, or the right or wrong of either viewpoint (global warming exists vs doesn't exist). The point I was going for is that this series of apparently increasingly weasel-y expressions leads me to less and less of desire to trust or believe in the people using them. It's a bit like hearing the beginning of a speech and hearing the speaker transition to a political or sales presentation. Arthur Dent hears the story of the Krikkit and the wicket gate in Life The Universe And Everything, only for the story to end up being a commercial to sell wicket gate memorabilia. Imagine William Wallace in Braveheart- '...but they'll never take our FREEDOM...to buy Braveheart on DVD for the low, low price of $19.99!' Or Arthur (again), in So Long And Thanks For All The Fish, where the guy on Wonko's TV explains that it's 'supernormal,' not 'supernatural' or 'paranormal' because we think we know what those mean now. I don't remember where I first heard the term 'climate instability,' but there does appear to be a good number of hits on Google for it (with quotes).


There you need differentiate between popular media and science, and which one you give a damn about.

Scientists have always been specific. Media.... Well, maybe notsomuch. Your typical blonde newsbabe or dark-haired newsken can't even pronounce "anthropogenic" so it's not surprising that most news articles get dumbed down to "global warming."

If you want a real kick and want to know when the phrase "Climate Change" got pushed, check out Frank Luntz's memo to G.W. Bush. That word got misused just as much as "global warming" did, although with the imprimatur of the POTUS. That didn't have much effect on the media directly, but it *did* have an effect on the guys who owned NOAA, NASA et alia for 8 years, and they had to conform to the wording coming from the White House.

It's kind of telling that even through 8 years of the boss saying "don't say anything about ACC" scientists still came to the same conclusion.

Handy chart:

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2012-11-29 02:26:57 AM
1 votes:

styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?


You read it here folks. There's no Gulf Sream, or Europe for that matter.
2012-11-29 02:22:18 AM
1 votes:
If you're dumb enough to think "global warming" means it will never get cold again, or that "global cooling" means it will never get hot again, then you deserve to die in a global cataclysm, and nobody will miss you.
2012-11-29 01:36:19 AM
1 votes:
Nice jerb, subtard.

The words "global warming" appear nowhere in TFA.

Meanwhile, here's your chance to submit questions for an interview with the notorious Dr. Michael Mann, himself, to be taped Friday. Difficulty for deniers: Please keep your questions short and respectful and focused on climate science.
2012-11-29 01:31:49 AM
1 votes:

thursdaypostal: Global warming can cause cold temperatures in the same way that a speeding car can cause sudden deceleration.


So that is a "i don't know how this works and i don't believe it so i'm going to make an absurd sounding statement and try to portray it as analogy".


Convection ... how does that shiat work?
Temperature flow, you can't explain that!
2012-11-29 01:29:53 AM
1 votes:

opiumpoopy: DeadBaby: cretinbob: The Gulf Stream, how does it farking work?

Exactly. Get ready for more of this as melting ice caps fark with the ocean currents.

[Reputable scientific] citation needed


Do these count?
2012-11-29 01:26:48 AM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: AverageAmericanGuy: No one ever blames good weather on Global Warming...
:(

We had a *great* winter in Michigan last year. As in, we really... didn't have one. I was digging in clay soil in effing January. Great for me.

Really sucked for most of the farmers here, because that beautifully unseasonably warm weather caused apple and cherries and damn near anything else we have here you don't start from seed to begin growth early... and then got killed by a snap frost that wasn't even really a snap if I remember correctly in the historical sense... it historically made sense. Just not last year.

Great for me other than Michigan fruit costing way more than it used to (yeah that sucks). Really sucks for the farmers and people who make products with those crops and who profit from festivals celebrating those crops etc...

/yeah, climate change
//happening
///you are not a freaking brilliant scientific mind and "it don't sound right" doesn't mean it isn't true 

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the Tulip Festival in Pella, IA got farked over too - everything was too early.

but that's ok.. fark PELLA.
2012-11-29 01:25:36 AM
1 votes:

DeadBaby: cretinbob: The Gulf Stream, how does it farking work?

Exactly. Get ready for more of this as melting ice caps fark with the ocean currents.


[Reputable scientific] citation needed
2012-11-29 01:19:11 AM
1 votes:
For some reason, I heard that headline in Jeff Goldblum's voice.
2012-11-29 01:18:01 AM
1 votes:

DemDave: FTFA: Temperatures could fall to as low as minus 3°c (27°f) in some places, with snow already falling in the Pennines.


27 degrees? Really? Grow a pair, you ninnies.


Is that even a real temperature? It dropped down to the low 50s the other night. I brought in my outdoor thermometer so it wouldn't get too cold.
2012-11-29 01:17:57 AM
1 votes:
UKs winters getting colder do to climate change has been documented for years now. When the ice forms and melts each year it contributes to the Thermohaline circulation that brings warm water up to the UK from the S.Atlantic. less ice formation towards the poles means less warm water up near UK to keep her warm this time of year. Sucks for our cousins across the pond.
2012-11-29 01:13:17 AM
1 votes:
FDR Jones: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 311x400]

That is one hideous man.
2012-11-29 01:13:14 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: Temperatures could fall to as low as minus 3°c (27°f) in some places, with snow already falling in the Pennines.


27 degrees? Really? Grow a pair, you ninnies.
2012-11-29 01:12:51 AM
1 votes:

johnperkins: The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


That's right, because mountains of evidence disappear in the glare of weasel-y words.
2012-11-29 01:09:39 AM
1 votes:
This just in... one in a hundred year events happen about every hundred years.
2012-11-29 01:08:30 AM
1 votes:
Global Climate Change is the perfect scam. It cannot be proved false. Too warm? Global Climate Change. Too Cold? Global Climate Change. Inconvenient climate? Oh, that's just weather, dummy!

LOL!
2012-11-29 01:01:50 AM
1 votes:
Those sunset pictures are really good.
2012-11-29 12:58:22 AM
1 votes:

cretinbob: The Gulf Stream, how does it farking work?


Exactly. Get ready for more of this as melting ice caps fark with the ocean currents.
 
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