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2012-11-29 02:05:45 AM

Dknsvsbl: Its -30C outside where I am right now, hard to find any sympathy for -2


You're in cryogenic storage? Have you been sent to the future to save mankind, or do you have some icky disease you hope we'll cure? Because the Terminator movies were make believe, and our fastest growing healthcare sector is homeopathy.
 
2012-11-29 02:09:43 AM

Dknsvsbl: Its -30C outside where I am right now, hard to find any sympathy for -2


It's -2C here right now and I live on the coast below the Mason-Dixon line. I can't believe it's news that it's the same temperature at a latitude over 900 miles north of here.
 
2012-11-29 02:10:58 AM

Notabunny: Dknsvsbl: Its -30C outside where I am right now, hard to find any sympathy for -2

You're in cryogenic storage? Have you been sent to the future to save mankind, or do you have some icky disease you hope we'll cure? Because the Terminator movies were make believe, and our fastest growing healthcare sector is homeopathy.


I'd never heard Ft McMurray described that way before.
 
2012-11-29 02:21:52 AM

Kazan: Ex-Texan: woo.
here in Albuquerque, it got down to -17fahrenheit last February. Saw bunch of D.R Horton homes (cheap) with flooded floors when the pipes broke on thawing. I freaked when our faucets outside froze, but no damage when they thawed. Used faucet covers and everything.
/Lucky.
/Have a Pulte, with 6" walls.

surprisingly the local contractor for D.R. Horton in Puget Sound seems to not build shiat. not that i bought from them, i bought from one of the local builders.

/WA has much stricter building codes.


Where the fark do they allow 4" exterior walls?

/had to insulate under slab - in my shop
 
2012-11-29 02:22:07 AM

cretinbob: The Gulf Stream, how does it farking work?


It isn't that's kind of the problem
reality how does it work?

/sad
 
2012-11-29 02:22:18 AM
If you're dumb enough to think "global warming" means it will never get cold again, or that "global cooling" means it will never get hot again, then you deserve to die in a global cataclysm, and nobody will miss you.
 
2012-11-29 02:23:25 AM

Dknsvsbl: Notabunny: Dknsvsbl: Its -30C outside where I am right now, hard to find any sympathy for -2

You're in cryogenic storage? Have you been sent to the future to save mankind, or do you have some icky disease you hope we'll cure? Because the Terminator movies were make believe, and our fastest growing healthcare sector is homeopathy.

I'd never heard Ft McMurray described that way before.


Oh, yeah. That was THE joke of the late 20th century. I guess you missed it. You have a lot of catching up to do.
 
2012-11-29 02:25:51 AM

Gyrfalcon: If you're dumb enough to think "global warming" means it will never get cold again, or that "global cooling" means it will never get hot again, then you deserve to die in a global cataclysm, and nobody will miss you.


so all of fark :(
 
2012-11-29 02:26:57 AM

styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?


You read it here folks. There's no Gulf Sream, or Europe for that matter.
 
2012-11-29 02:27:45 AM
It's 26C here in Perth, Western Australia and blowing a gale...damn "Climate Insecurity"
 
2012-11-29 02:29:40 AM

AndyChrist_AUS: It's 26C here in Perth, Western Australia and blowing a gale...damn "Climate Insecurity"


ya but what is the poisonous creature index?
:)
 
2012-11-29 02:33:15 AM

styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?


What?!??!!?

Seriously, WHAT?!??!?!!?
 
2012-11-29 02:36:38 AM

albatros183: AndyChrist_AUS: It's 26C here in Perth, Western Australia and blowing a gale...damn "Climate Insecurity"

ya but what is the poisonous creature index?
:)


Eleventy eleven, of course
 
2012-11-29 02:41:59 AM

bookman: Global Climate Change is the perfect scam. It cannot be proved false. Too warm? Global Climate Change. Too Cold? Global Climate Change. Inconvenient climate? Oh, that's just weather, dummy!

LOL!


"I don't understand how it works, therefore it doesn't happen! LOL!"
 
2012-11-29 02:44:53 AM

styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?


Wait, what?

Are you denying that the measured ocean current that was discovered by the early European explorers of America does not actually exist despite evidence of its existence to the contrary, or are you denying that convection works(and thusly the laws of Thermodynamics)?
 
2012-11-29 02:47:02 AM

Ex-Texan: woo.
here in Albuquerque, it got down to -17fahrenheit last February. Saw bunch of D.R Horton homes (cheap) with flooded floors when the pipes broke on thawing...


The pipes probably broke from freezing, not thawing (water expands when it freezes).
 
2012-11-29 02:51:03 AM

bookman: Global Climate Change is the perfect scam. It cannot be proved false.


/just wait until nuclear winter.
 
2012-11-29 02:53:07 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: StreetlightInTheGhetto:
[img.gawkerassets.com image 300x405]

Neither makes any sense. Global petroleum demand is constantly increasing, and no one has to bribe anyone to keep selling shiat tonnes of it, or keep prices up.


It's not so much about demand, it's about the fact that the EPA might fine them. These companies use their own "climate experts" to try to persuade everybody that their pollution causes no environmental harm. It really is all about money.
 
2012-11-29 02:55:32 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Bring back The Frost Fair on The Thames.

What's it been? Three... four centuries?
 
2012-11-29 03:12:35 AM
johnperkins:


Kazan: johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


Global Warming: accurate description of what is occurring (the global aggregate temperature is increasing)
Climate Change: accurate description and EFFECT of Global Warming
Climate Instability: who the fark used this?

Might i suggest you actually know what the fark you're talking about before you ever open your mouth again

just a suggestion.



I wasn't addressing the science of it, or the right or wrong of either viewpoint (global warming exists vs doesn't exist). The point I was going for is that this series of apparently increasingly weasel-y expressions leads me to less and less of desire to trust or believe in the people using them. It's a bit like hearing the beginning of a speech and hearing the speaker transition to a political or sales presentation. Arthur Dent hears the story of the Krikkit and the wicket gate in Life The Universe And Everything, only for the story to end up being a commercial to sell wicket gate memorabilia. Imagine William Wallace in Braveheart- '...but they'll never take our FREEDOM...to buy Braveheart on DVD for the low, low price of $19.99!' Or Arthur (again), in So Long And Thanks For All The Fish, where the guy on Wonko's TV explains that it's 'supernormal,' not 'supernatural' or 'paranormal' because we think we know what those mean now. I don't remember where I first heard the term 'climate instability,' but there does appear to be a good number of hits on Google for it (with quotes).


There you need differentiate between popular media and science, and which one you give a damn about.

Scientists have always been specific. Media.... Well, maybe notsomuch. Your typical blonde newsbabe or dark-haired newsken can't even pronounce "anthropogenic" so it's not surprising that most news articles get dumbed down to "global warming."

If you want a real kick and want to know when the phrase "Climate Change" got pushed, check out Frank Luntz's memo to G.W. Bush. That word got misused just as much as "global warming" did, although with the imprimatur of the POTUS. That didn't have much effect on the media directly, but it *did* have an effect on the guys who owned NOAA, NASA et alia for 8 years, and they had to conform to the wording coming from the White House.

It's kind of telling that even through 8 years of the boss saying "don't say anything about ACC" scientists still came to the same conclusion.

Handy chart:

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-29 03:46:14 AM
Meh; we're screwed anyway. If I remember correctly; we are so close(perspectively) to the point of no return that it's less than a decade or two away.

/ So, buy some coats, get some pointy sticks; and watch your cat transform into a saber tooth tiger.
 
2012-11-29 03:52:43 AM
Meh, the Mail do this every year, some metiorol maetear weather stuff student pulls a prediction out of their ass and the Mail print it as fact because they are sensationalist dicks.

Britains winter will be the same as every other winter, couple of days of snow, maybe a week of -4/-5 C, the other two months mild and damp.

/love mild and damp.
//Britain!!!!
 
2012-11-29 04:18:10 AM

SickAsAParrot: Meh, the Mail do this every year, some metiorol maetear weather stuff student pulls a prediction out of their ass and the Mail print it as fact because they are sensationalist dicks.

Britains winter will be the same as every other winter, couple of days of snow, maybe a week of -4/-5 C, the other two months mild and damp.

/love mild and damp.
//Britain!!!!


Came to say this. Every week for about 2 months last year they had a headline like "Climate chaos due in 2 weeks, 10ft of snow predicted! Everybody panic!" and did we see ANY snow?

No.

FTA "Walkers rap up warm"

This is the sort of good reporting we are looking at, Lou.
 
2012-11-29 04:21:24 AM

iheartscotch: Meh; we're screwed anyway. If I remember correctly; we are so close(perspectively) to the point of no return that it's less than a decade or two away.

/ So, buy some coats, get some pointy sticks; and watch your cat transform into a saber tooth tiger.


The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive

Sorry, that card has already been played. It`s in the past, you can`t make people worry about it happening in the future anymore.
 
2012-11-29 04:27:03 AM
I'm like Hayao Miyazaki in thinking that we might need a bit of a jolt. Let things collapse, let humans get out of the stupid rut we're in now, focused on petty things. I'm interested to see an ice free Arctic.
 
2012-11-29 04:28:43 AM

Triumph: So wait - on November 29, it's three degrees below freezing in a country that's completely north of Maine and whose northern provinces are on the same latitude as southern Alaska? Stop the presses.


exactly, fake panic over expected things is fake. If you read TFA then is says that in the middle of winter temperatures may get as low as -20 C.

We must panic because normal winter temperatures may occur in winter!
 
2012-11-29 04:30:04 AM

ktybear: I'm like Hayao Miyazaki in thinking that we might need a bit of a jolt. Let things collapse, let humans get out of the stupid rut we're in now, focused on petty things. I'm interested to see an ice free Arctic.


upload.wikimedia.org

Disembodied eye watches your post with interest
 
2012-11-29 04:31:09 AM

dready zim: iheartscotch: Meh; we're screwed anyway. If I remember correctly; we are so close(perspectively) to the point of no return that it's less than a decade or two away.

/ So, buy some coats, get some pointy sticks; and watch your cat transform into a saber tooth tiger.

The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive

Sorry, that card has already been played. It`s in the past, you can`t make people worry about it happening in the future anymore.


FTA:Before this century is over, billions of us will die, and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable."

I think he's forgetting the biggest piece of real estate at the other end of the planet.
 
2012-11-29 04:36:38 AM
I sense a conspiracy.

Yeah we have scientists saying stuff, yeah we're still doing the same thing, the big companies doing the same shiat to stifle innovation into alternative energy solutions. They aren't going to change, don't give one fark, never will. The majority of people don't either 1) give a fark either 2) will not do anything to stop consumption.

Profit drives everything in the western world. The financial elite would rather see the majority of the people dead and cling on to the "way things are" destroy the planet and humanity in the course of maintaining power. They'll pay minions to fight their fight for them. Minions being minions will continue to clamor to kiss ass for more money (crumbs really).

Obama will fix it.
 
2012-11-29 04:37:36 AM
Look, if you want to read stuff and see the latest graphs on what's happening in the Arctic then read this blog. Amazing stuff! The Arctic storm, Greenland melting across its entire surface for nearly a week, easy to read, make up your own mind. I think it's great. Big changes are afoot! 


www.datelinezero.com
 
2012-11-29 04:40:25 AM

thursdaypostal: Global warming can cause cold temperatures in the same way that a speeding car can cause sudden deceleration.


So the problem of excess speed is solved at this point.

balial: This just in... one in a hundred year events happen about every hundred years.


Expected events are expected and not unusual or unprecedented. Some people have a problem with this. Also, as these events are a result of a chaotic system, they are unpredictable. More people have a problem with this.

Unpredictable and expected, most people cannot cope with this concept and panic...
 
2012-11-29 04:44:08 AM

ktybear: dready zim: iheartscotch: Meh; we're screwed anyway. If I remember correctly; we are so close(perspectively) to the point of no return that it's less than a decade or two away.

/ So, buy some coats, get some pointy sticks; and watch your cat transform into a saber tooth tiger.

The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive

Sorry, that card has already been played. It`s in the past, you can`t make people worry about it happening in the future anymore.

FTA:Before this century is over, billions of us will die, and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable."

I think he's forgetting the biggest piece of real estate at the other end of the planet.


Hey I didn`t say it was played well, just that the tipping point was AFAIK in 2008 in the public media. Do a google search and you will find a batch of articles from around then saying similar things (that are not being said in the media these days)

I think he had a bad dream after seeing waterworld.
 
2012-11-29 05:06:27 AM

dready zim: iheartscotch: Meh; we're screwed anyway. If I remember correctly; we are so close(perspectively) to the point of no return that it's less than a decade or two away.

/ So, buy some coats, get some pointy sticks; and watch your cat transform into a saber tooth tiger.

The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive

Sorry, that card has already been played. It`s in the past, you can`t make people worry about it happening in the future anymore.


Well damn; good thing I've got a 75 year old battle rifle and 700 rounds of ammo; they might come in handy when the shiat hits the fan.

/ I'm not a preper; but you can never have too much ammo
 
2012-11-29 05:09:33 AM

ktybear: I'm like Hayao Miyazaki in thinking that we might need a bit of a jolt. Let things collapse, let humans get out of the stupid rut we're in now, focused on petty things. I'm interested to see an ice free Arctic.


Miyazaki-san needs to get back to the whole feature length animated movie thing; so I can watch them before the end.

/ I enjoy his work; I especially like the planes; the more improbable, the better.
 
2012-11-29 05:18:05 AM
Oh yeah, I saw that movie.

blogs.sundaymercury.net
 
2012-11-29 05:38:14 AM
 
2012-11-29 05:38:53 AM

starsrift: styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?

Wait, what?

Are you denying that the measured ocean current that was discovered by the early European explorers of America does not actually exist despite evidence of its existence to the contrary, or are you denying that convection works(and thusly the laws of Thermodynamics)?


No, the part about Europe freezing over if the Gulf stream got farked
 
2012-11-29 05:49:42 AM

johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


But you can always bet that it is related to politics. Or "scientists" that are directly employed by some large government.
 
2012-11-29 06:01:22 AM
I spun the wheel and it came up wind direction.
 
2012-11-29 06:06:39 AM

richard_1963: Apparently, a large enough influx of fresh water into the North Atlantic due to melting ice could potentially put a complete halt to the Gulf Stream. If that happens the, ironically, global warming could trigger an ice age.


Says a study by the acclaimed Institute of No Matter What Happens To The Environment, We Are Right About Global Warming.
 
2012-11-29 06:07:40 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: AverageAmericanGuy: No one ever blames good weather on Global Warming...
:(

We had a *great* winter in Michigan last year. As in, we really... didn't have one. I was digging in clay soil in effing January. Great for me.

Really sucked for most of the farmers here, because that beautifully unseasonably warm weather caused apple and cherries and damn near anything else we have here you don't start from seed to begin growth early... and then got killed by a snap frost that wasn't even really a snap if I remember correctly in the historical sense... it historically made sense. Just not last year.

Great for me other than Michigan fruit costing way more than it used to (yeah that sucks). Really sucks for the farmers and people who make products with those crops and who profit from festivals celebrating those crops etc...

/yeah, climate change
//happening
///you are not a freaking brilliant scientific mind and "it don't sound right" doesn't mean it isn't true 

[img.gawkerassets.com image 300x405]


Which makes more sense? Well, the Oil companies would EXIST without the spending, the agencies would not, so.....
 
2012-11-29 06:11:16 AM

johnperkins: First it was...global warming.

Then it was...climate change.

Then it was...climate instability.



The more weasel-y the words, the more trouble I have taking any of it seriously.


Are these not all descriptions of the same event?
 
2012-11-29 06:25:04 AM

dready zim: iheartscotch: Meh; we're screwed anyway. If I remember correctly; we are so close(perspectively) to the point of no return that it's less than a decade or two away.

/ So, buy some coats, get some pointy sticks; and watch your cat transform into a saber tooth tiger.

The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive

Sorry, that card has already been played. It`s in the past, you can`t make people worry about it happening in the future anymore.


Hey, there are still a few hopeful remaining scientists.
 
2012-11-29 06:30:33 AM

styckx: starsrift: styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?

Wait, what?

Are you denying that the measured ocean current that was discovered by the early European explorers of America does not actually exist despite evidence of its existence to the contrary, or are you denying that convection works(and thusly the laws of Thermodynamics)?

No, the part about Europe freezing over if the Gulf stream got farked


I meant to click quote but accidentally hit "funny".

Anyway, if what you say is true it would interest me, have you any sauces or other condiments to back it up?
 
2012-11-29 06:35:44 AM

Slaxl: styckx: starsrift: styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?

Wait, what?

Are you denying that the measured ocean current that was discovered by the early European explorers of America does not actually exist despite evidence of its existence to the contrary, or are you denying that convection works(and thusly the laws of Thermodynamics)?

No, the part about Europe freezing over if the Gulf stream got farked

I meant to click quote but accidentally hit "funny".

Anyway, if what you say is true it would interest me, have you any sauces or other condiments to back it up?


It's the Rocky Mountains
 
2012-11-29 06:54:09 AM

MarkEC: Slaxl: styckx: starsrift: styckx: All of you on soap boxes know the whole Gulf Stream and Europe thing is a myth right?

Wait, what?

Are you denying that the measured ocean current that was discovered by the early European explorers of America does not actually exist despite evidence of its existence to the contrary, or are you denying that convection works(and thusly the laws of Thermodynamics)?

No, the part about Europe freezing over if the Gulf stream got farked

I meant to click quote but accidentally hit "funny".

Anyway, if what you say is true it would interest me, have you any sauces or other condiments to back it up?

It's the Rocky Mountains


Yep, that's the sauce..
 
2012-11-29 07:11:12 AM

MarkEC: It's the Rocky Mountains


Interesting, thank you. His logic is fuzzy enough to make me skeptical of his modelling (water stores lots of heat, except when the water is moving? the Gulf Stream has little effect on the subpolar areas, but once you hit Norway it suddenly works like a microwave?) but it was an interesting read.
 
2012-11-29 07:20:59 AM
i.imgur.com

Why won't you buy my carbon credits?
 
2012-11-29 07:33:28 AM
Why you no buy what I'm selling?


What I don't understand... I own a farkton of Exxon stock. Why are you punks spreading yourself for them so eagerly?
 
2012-11-29 08:02:02 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: They simply would rather have meat diet and easy lifestyle than worry about climate change.


That's because modern humans evolved as obligate omnivores. There is no environment on Earth where you can live a healthy lifestyle on just the plant life that grows naturally. We can do without meat now of course, using modern technology, but you can't turn around roughly 3 million years of evolution on a dime. People still like meat because they evolved to like it, and in fact in their natural state, before the advent of modern technology, it was necessary for a healthy diet.
 
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