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HBK
2012-11-29 05:33:25 AM
4 votes:

L.D. Ablo: I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


You're going to shoot a 12 gauge in the direction of your cat?
2012-11-29 05:24:16 AM
4 votes:
Hey now! Properly trained and socialized pit bulls are great dogs.

Also, half the dogs you think are pit bulls aren't.

/ dogs are better people than people
2012-11-29 12:56:52 AM
4 votes:
i know people with perfectly behaved pit bulls.

they're not punk ass motherfarkers who get dogs to look tough, so the dogs are treated well and thus well behaved
2012-11-29 11:11:38 AM
3 votes:
Children killed in 2010 by maltreatment: 1,262
Total(adults and children) killer dog deaths in 2010: 33


If you're one of those folks spouting about how kids are being killed by vicious dogs, you may want to put your worries in perspective. 

USDHHS
2012-11-29 09:27:51 AM
3 votes:
Get a real dog - get a mutt. Pitbulls or any other pure breed are eugenics inspired monstrosities. Maybe that kind of thing is fine for Nazi Germany but here in America we screw people of other backgrounds and produce the finest people in the world because of it.

/May not be valid in Arkansas, Appalachia and parts of rural Oregon and Michigan.
2012-11-29 07:10:48 AM
3 votes:
Funny thing is, most pit bulls are not naturally aggressive to humans, but to other dogs. That is what they were bred for.... killing other dogs. While it's true that having a pit in a home with other animals -may- be difficult, they are only aggressive to humans if they have been abused or trained to be so.

That said, I still do not like the breed as a personal choice, and not on their record. I don't have the mindset or time to properly condition such a breed.

But I think that anyone that gets a dog, needs to be able to spend time and attention trying to make that dog loved. You can't just get a dog, and then ignore it and then wonder why it's got issues. I mean, you basically are adopting a child when you get a dog. And it's amazing how many behavioral rules of one applies to the other.
2012-11-29 05:38:00 AM
3 votes:
The 2nd amendment guarantees my right to own an assault dog.

/Unfortunately what I got was a heavy floor rug that eats expensive food, snores louder than me, and only barks at birds...
/If you want a dog that attacks people, get a chow chow.
2012-11-29 05:22:24 AM
3 votes:
My friend has two pitbulls, and one time, I had to ride in the back seat of her truck with one of the monsters. And do you know what the evil face eating creature did? It laid down, put its head on my lap, and took a nap!!!! A freaking nap I tell you! I was terrified for my life. At any moment the foul beast of hell could have sat up and possibly licked my face! Hell, it might have even stuck its nose at the window to breath in the air. The horror. The horror.
2012-11-29 03:13:05 AM
3 votes:
Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.
2012-11-29 03:08:06 AM
3 votes:
I hate pit bulls.

A pack of three attacked my lazy, harmless, tabby cat.

I managed to break up the fight within a few seconds, but the cat suffered several lacerations and broken bones. She did not deserve that.

I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.
2012-11-29 01:59:36 AM
3 votes:

FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.


Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home.
2012-11-29 01:37:40 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-11-29 10:01:49 AM
2 votes:

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.


Sorry, but pit's jaws are far stronger, and they do have an instinct for fighting, very much by design, so other dogs snapping are not nearly the big deal that pits snapping are.

We hear this 'it's just how you raise them' myth every time the Pit topic comes up, and always someone explains how in nearly every case of a pit killing a child the family said the dog was gentle and raised to be gentle and just snapped once.

It's a risk factor pit enthusiasts wish to dismiss as 'just statistics' or 'the fault of the owners, so I will magically eliminate this risk factor with my magic owner skills'.

That's why the kids keep getting killed.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.
2012-11-29 10:01:34 AM
2 votes:
All this "It's not the breed, it's the owner" and "Pits are only bad because bad people make them that way" talk argues strongly against adopting rescue pits. Because as much special training as you put into the rescue dog, you can't change their past. And if the dog ends up in a shelter, odds are strong that the past was not good.
2012-11-29 08:35:02 AM
2 votes:

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.


How about this: I think most of the people in this thread want people to recognize reality. Pit bulls are not the devil incarnate, and most are sweet hearts. However, the truth is that they can be dangerous as well. And more than other breads. To try to pretend otherwise is to reject reality.
2012-11-29 07:51:11 AM
2 votes:
I hear that pit bull owners have a locking mechanism in their brain that prevents them from viewing the breed objectively.
2012-11-29 07:36:55 AM
2 votes:
Worked with shelters for years and wouldn't condone rumors and misconceptions about them but studies and established facts tell us two things. They bite more than other dogs (okay blame bad owners, statistically speaking that still means the majority of dogs in shelters are likely from the kind of home that wanted them to act aggressively) AND when they do bite its always much more damaging than the bites of other dogs. The sad truth is from a biological perspective they are built for fighting.

Are there nice ones that are harmless? Yes. Are there nice ones that snap and try to eat kids or pets? Yes. Are there more of these issues among this mix of breeds than any other? Yes.

Don't blindly defend them, thats as bad as the people who hang around wolf hybrids and claim they are also completely harmless. Every "breed" is unique both physiologically and in personality and temperament.

These are still animals at the end of the day and you can't predict what goes on in their head. In all my years working with shelters I've only been bitten once, by a 15 pound dog.. .it hurt but that was it, no blood. Reality is you have to be honest with what the dogs are capable of and educate people accordingly. Yes you can adopt Poofie. Yes she came from a broken home and was abused. Yes we think she is rehabilitated and plays regularly with kids but is aggressive towards cats. No we won't promise you that she won't snap at you, much like any other dog at some point. And be aware that her bite will do a hell of a lot more damage than your Greyhound or Collie could...
2012-11-29 07:29:32 AM
2 votes:
DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death.

Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13) of those attacks.

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%.

In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed while taking a morning walk or getting the mail."

/just sayin'...
//plus, that brainless, high-strung, miniature yip dog next door may bite more often, but even a pack of 5 of them could not drag you under a car and dismember you... a couple of pit bulls OTOH..
2012-11-29 06:29:29 AM
2 votes:

BigBooper: The problem is that they are incredibly powerful animals. A bite from an evil little chihuahua isn't likely to cause much damage. A pit on the other hand can kill.


Yep. Any dog above about 30 pounds can kill you if it gets lucky. Chihuahuas are normally below 30 pounds. Pitbulls are generally above 30 pounds. Therefore chihuahuas will have a hard time killing you. Pitbulls, german shepherds, rottweilers, beagles, basset hounds, greyhounds, standard size poodles, and even a large whippet has a chance to kill you, if it's so inclined.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us.
2012-11-29 05:38:38 AM
2 votes:
Try telling my homeowner's insurance or HOA. Both have specific clauses dealing with "vicious breeds." My freakin' Siamese is more evil than 90% of every animal on Earth. Even when warned, fools put their hands near his mouth because "he's so beautiful, he wouldn't hurt a fly." He gets a pass, while the butt-wigglin', eager to please, would take a bullet for my kid dog is a menace and needs to be banned from decent society.

Love my cat, but I want a dog, dammit.
2012-11-29 05:35:32 AM
2 votes:
I have a British bulldog/Pit bull cross we got from a rescue centre, she was bred to fight however disappointed the breeder by severely licking everyone and everything, she is a squat 6 stone dog who could tear your face off if she wanted but prefers to high five you and look embarrassed when caught eating her brothers food.
2012-11-29 05:35:01 AM
2 votes:
Most "pitbulls" are not 100% pitbull in the first place
2012-11-29 12:58:45 AM
2 votes:

FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.


I was talking about the owners.
2012-11-29 12:32:56 AM
2 votes:
Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!
2012-11-30 12:07:27 AM
1 votes:

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

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From 1979 through 1998 there were only 66 fatal (pure breed) pit bull attacks. That is it. 66. Sure, pit bulls are "the most dangerous" breed because they caused the highest number of fatalities during that time period, but at an average of 3.3 per year, "most" really does not add up to all that much. Bicycles and swimming pools are more dangerous than pit bulls, be it fatalities or accidents! Also, while pit bulls account for greatest number of attacks, they do not account for most of them (66 out of 238). And, 1993-1998 rottweilers caused more deaths, twice as many in fact.

Yeah, it is tragic that those people pictured were attacked by pit bulls, but more people were attacked by other breeds.
2012-11-29 08:16:53 PM
1 votes:

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.


OK, what about that statistical report from a few years back where they saw other dog breeds take up the slack in areas where pitbulls and rottweilers were banned? The shiatty owners apparently just moved on to the next available breed to neglect & abuse into monsters.

Uh, someone with a better connection please find a citation ;)
2012-11-29 03:20:40 PM
1 votes:

BigBooper: They are large, powerful, and potentially dangerous when mistreated. And yes all dogs are dangerous when mistreated. But it has to be recognized that their size and strength make them more dangerous than other breeds.


I don't understand what you mean by this.

Pit bulls aren't particularly large, strong, or fast dogs. Pit bulls generally only weigh about 40 or 50 pounds, they can't run very fast or jump very high, and they're no stronger than any other dog of their size. I can't think of anything about their size or strength that would make a pit bull more fearsome than any other mid-size dog.

Aesthetically, pit bulls are bred to have bigger square heads and shorter legs than other dog breeds of the same weight. And that breeding gives them a more compact, stocky appearance that some people enjoy. But there's nothing functional about the form; they're not bred like greyhounds or whippets for function first and form second. The pit bull look is like putting a Type R sticker on a Honda Civic. The big head and short legs certainly don't make their jaws more powerful or their make them any stronger.
2012-11-29 12:05:49 PM
1 votes:

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

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FARKERS TOLD ME THEY ARE SAFE DOGS
2012-11-29 12:01:59 PM
1 votes:

Kveld: There are more pitbull bites because....there are more pitbulls!


I seem to recall similar high rates of dog bites among specific breeds. Breeds that happened to be the "fad breed" of the moment. You mean the statistical likelihood of a given breed biting someone is influenced by how many of them are out there?

t3.gstatic.com

Also there's a green-shift in my monitor forming a square around your posts now for some reason. Not sure that's even possible on an LCD monitor...
2012-11-29 11:59:49 AM
1 votes:
Did you read the case? It is about making a bear or bull more ferocious not the dogs. More directly it is about animal cruelty and the fact that if not for the human intervention the bull and the dog were cuddling up together in a peaceful coexistence. But ignorance is bliss, keep defending the ill treatment of animals as instinct.

KimNorth: Seacrest: Did you just cite a student project?? That is some great f-ing reporting.

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html

R U S-L-O-W? I used an education site. That has posted word for word a court case from the 1800's regarding the use of pits and bull & bear fighting......

By the way I am not a reporter but do believe my info is better than what you are getting from the AP these days.

2012-11-29 11:54:08 AM
1 votes:

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

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Well, at least three of them have Fox News in common...
2012-11-29 11:50:11 AM
1 votes:
I wonder what all these folks have in common:

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www.viciousnews.com
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iwidk.com
2012-11-29 11:47:05 AM
1 votes:

dapharmer: tell that to the pit that put 4 holes in my face when i was 8 and scarred me for life.. simply for walking in a room... tell that to the pit's owner who was a black cop in jamaica queens who trained his dog to attack white people and got arrested for unleashing it on others in a nearby park.

it's every bit as much the owner as the animal, but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.


I'm sorry. It was a rotten thing to have to go through. But again, it was the owner's fault. Are we to surmise that all black cops are psychopaths because this guys trained his pit bull to attack white people?
2012-11-29 11:30:40 AM
1 votes:

Noah_Tall: Perhaps pits aren't more aggressive than any other breed. However they are more dangerous when they do attack. Most other large breeds (at least the aggressive ones) when they bite will snap a couple of times and then back off. They may repeat the attack multiple times but they may not, it depends on if the prey seems to be sufficiently cowed but not totally helpless. Pits are the type of dog that bite and hold while tearing at their target. They only release to get a better grip. And they tend not to stop till their prey stops moving.

So it's not the level of aggression. It's the type of attack.


This is complete bullshiat. You ever seen video of trained police dogs (typically german shepherds)? They don't quit until their handler tells them to and often when they physically yank them off the target. And this is a dog that is often twice the weight and size of a pit, with a larger maw and teeth. Then can take a short hop and be on your throat. Granted, a pit can just as easily knock you down and go at you but all things being equal, I'm going to worry about the bigger dog. This doesn't mean I won't be concerned if I come across an unleashed pit mix (which has happened a couple of times but nothing bad happened). My uncle's german shepherd Leo was a truly frightening animal. You didn't dare even look cross eyed at my uncle when the dog was around. And his nose was about belly button height on a grown man.

Anyway, as usual, the moderate stance is the correct one: are pit bulls or mixes inherently evil? No, of course not. If properly trained and cared for they are big love bugs. Should they be respected for their size and power the same as any large breed of dog? Yes. Do not get any large dog if you don't know how to train them.
2012-11-29 10:56:44 AM
1 votes:
Busting this one out again ...

Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless.

Sad how accurate it is. Even to the "rake up the pieces of the cat" comment immediately above.

can now add;
* Stats can prove anything so they obviously prove nothing.
* They should be called "pibbles" because, really, it's just the nasty name that gives them a bad reputation
* Here's Cuddles in a funny hat and eating cake ... so obviously, harmless
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2012-11-29 10:43:04 AM
1 votes:
To all the defenders of Pit Bulls, no one believes you! You say the same things as the owners who had animals that did attack someone. "Oh, he's such a fluffball, cream-puff, he'd never hurt anyone!" Then they act all shocked when the dog actually does rip someone's face off. ANY animal can be provoked into aggression. The combination of strength and tenacity is rather unique to the Pit Bull. Other aggressive dogs like Rotties and Shepherds are strong and aggressive but not nearly as tenacious as Pits. That tenacity is what makes them good as fighting dogs but also makes the damage they do much worse because it is harder to stop them once they've been triggered.

Yes, the animals are just being what they are and the human owners are the ones ultimately responsible. But if the people who love the breed and defend it so much really want to make a change, then support tougher ownership laws, higher insurance, and other incentives that will make ownership be limited to the people who will truly care properly for them.
2012-11-29 10:22:19 AM
1 votes:
The Cordoba Fighting Dog managed to go extinct, why can't these damn things too? Just automatically put them down once found.
2012-11-29 09:58:23 AM
1 votes:

jigger: The pitbull's natural tendency seems to be extremely goofy and high energy. They want to play and play hard.


Just remember that what the animal thinks of as "play" and what you think of as "puncturing a kidney" may in fact be one in the same, and not because the animal has any idea what a kidney is or why it's important to you.
2012-11-29 09:52:40 AM
1 votes:

fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death.

Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13) of those attacks.

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%.

In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed whi ...


This. All of the pitbull fanboyism in the world doesn't change the statistics. Yes, the statistics are skewed somewhat by owners who train the dogs to be aggressive, but that does not change the fact that many characteristics make them a more dangerous breed. Characteristic strength makes any breed more dangerous than a breed of lesser strength, pit bulls are also not as naturally docile as many other breeds such as retrievers and labradors. There are genetic factors to behavior and anyone who tells you a pitbull is no more dangerous than any other dog is mental.

Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.
2012-11-29 09:38:16 AM
1 votes:
Every one or two years there is a death caused by a Pit Bull. It's usually ridiculously gruesome. The owners all say, "But he was a nice dog! Never did anything like that before!"

One that sticks in my mind. The dog chewed off both of a womans arms.

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/05/flashback-pit-bull-chews-off-owners. h tml

Call them nice. Pretend they are safe. Hell, I would pet one. But I wouldn't let a child anywhere near one. And I wouldn't sleep in the same room with one. It's not that they are vicious. It's that they will be fine until they have one bad day. Then it's beserker time.
2012-11-29 09:34:11 AM
1 votes:
If one loves the breed, you won't convince them they're all bad.
If one is convinced the breed is all bad, you won't convince them otherwise.
2012-11-29 09:33:14 AM
1 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: I was once in a plane crash, therefore all airplanes are dangerous killing machines. Do you have any idea how much damage a tube of metal filled with combustible chemicals can do?


I took a plane once and it didn't crash, therefore there's absolutely no chance that any plane will crash, ever. To support this, the pilot wore a funny hat.
2012-11-29 09:32:25 AM
1 votes:

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html


Yep, so it seems. I've also read in many of similar articles that state the breed's history that they were specifically bred to be people friendly, even if they were bred to be aggressive towards other animals. Which is not very vindicating.
2012-11-29 09:28:15 AM
1 votes:
You judge a dog's temperament by what he looks like, you're an idiot.
2012-11-29 09:24:38 AM
1 votes:
Perhaps pits aren't more aggressive than any other breed. However they are more dangerous when they do attack. Most other large breeds (at least the aggressive ones) when they bite will snap a couple of times and then back off. They may repeat the attack multiple times but they may not, it depends on if the prey seems to be sufficiently cowed but not totally helpless. Pits are the type of dog that bite and hold while tearing at their target. They only release to get a better grip. And they tend not to stop till their prey stops moving.

So it's not the level of aggression. It's the type of attack.
2012-11-29 09:20:16 AM
1 votes:
I was once in a plane crash, therefore all airplanes are dangerous killing machines. Do you have any idea how much damage a tube of metal filled with combustible chemicals can do?

/bad analogies are bad.
2012-11-29 09:13:46 AM
1 votes:
I've been on crutches a lot in the last few years and been advanced upon by three (that I can remember... lots of pain med too) pit bull looking dogs. My pals reckon it's due to the fact that I am moving like an injured animal and I tend to agree. The last one one was the worst... getting my son on the school bus, a loose, giant, strange dog, growling, barking, advancing despite yelling and banging crutches together. I fell twice trying to get it to leave and it sure got a lot more interested when I did. Throwing rocks at it finally did the trick. Eventually located the owner and he told me his dog "wouldn't hurt a fly". Like hell it wouldn't. The folks that say that never see their dogs out and alone.

My totally beta lab mix gets barky and shiatty with people when he's alone too.
2012-11-29 09:09:19 AM
1 votes:

KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored


Rumors don't shock me.

This is because they are rumors. I file them in that mental drawer with other similarly unsubstantiated BS.

Case in Point:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/other/ourgang.asp

"Although Photoplay magazine stated in 1930 that Pete the Pup (a pit bull) had been fatally poisoned, one cannot say that the "Pete the Pup" died, since (as was common practice with film animals) the part was played by a succession of several different animals (sometimes, reportedly, by multiple dogs within a single episode)."

Also, it's "Rascals".
2012-11-29 09:01:23 AM
1 votes:

KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...


Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.
2012-11-29 08:55:09 AM
1 votes:

KimNorth: Carn: My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.


You do know pits were a favorite dog because they were settling this country and the pit would go after a bear or large cat protecting live stock and the sleeping family? The kids were not playing catch with fido...Those old photo's you see of little kids with pits are most times not even their dog it was a fad. One more point as people started living closer to each other pits were the #1 dog to be poisoned because they bit and were considered un-friendly. Sad but true. That sight that post all those photo's of kids and how loved these dog were is mis-leading.


A dog protecting its territory and pack? You don't say! That's what all dogs of any breed do. I'd like to see some sources for some of these claims, otherwise, my anecdote of my brother's pit mix chasing my 6 yr old nephew around the house licking him non-stop with my nephew giggling hysterically trumps your anecdotes.

There are many guard breeds and some of them are a lot bigger and stronger than pit bulls.
2012-11-29 08:48:04 AM
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KimNorth: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.


What kind of odds do you give yourself against a 200+ lb french mastiff that's having a bad day? 140lb german shepherd? Rottie? Doberman? Great Dane? Wolfhound? Any big dog can fark you up if it wants to. I'm sorry you were attacked, but it still doesn't make pit breeds or mixes inherently more dangerous than others.
2012-11-29 08:45:19 AM
1 votes:
Dog nuts are, hands down, some of the creepiest, most maladjusted people I know.

Not dog OWNERS ... I mean the the nuts. The ones who call them "fur kids" and such.

Good grief - they are PETS, people. A whole different species. Bred selectively by us over generations to exhibit certain traits. Calling your land shark a "pibble" doesn't make it less unpredictable any more than me calling myself a kangaroo will improve my vertical jump.

Now excuse me while I go argue with a creationist who is also a truther, a flat earther and climate change denier.
2012-11-29 08:41:07 AM
1 votes:

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.


They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.
2012-11-29 08:40:30 AM
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BullBearMS: BigBooper: The evil little dogs that go from nice to trying to rip your face off with out warning are chihuahua's, toy poodles, and dachshund's. They get a muzzle automatically when they walk in the door.

My dachshund mix is incredibly mouthy. He rarely puts any pressure behind it and from his long history of shredding tennis balls, he definitely can exert pressure if he wants to. He does love to nibble on my fingers when I''m petting him. Does your wife know why some dogs are so insistent on doing that?

The main problem are the incredibly thick claws he has. I can't let him in my lap unless I have jeans on lest my legs end up bloody. He loves to basically just get in my lap and turn around in circles over and over and over ad infinitum. he doesn't mean to hurt you, but those claws are incredibl stout..

My neighbor's pit bull, on the other hand, is just the sweetest girl in the world. Rub her belly and she will be your friend for life.


My wife says that your dachshund is playing. Think about it, puppies play by nipping at each other. You need to train your dog that this behavior is not acceptable.

As for your dogs claws, they need to be trimmed! Talk to your vet, they can get those flesh ripping claws down to size, and teach you how to keep them short.
2012-11-29 08:36:20 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: I hate pit bulls.

A pack of three attacked my lazy, harmless, tabby cat.

I managed to break up the fight within a few seconds, but the cat suffered several lacerations and broken bones. She did not deserve that.

I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


A pack of three pit mixes attacked my son, I laid on top of him and fought but there is no fighting these dogs. We were able to save our faces but our bodies were ripped up and broken bones from bites. Very bad dogs.
The owner was just shocked her babies would attack anyone!
2012-11-29 08:34:28 AM
1 votes:
My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.
2012-11-29 08:28:15 AM
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dapharmer: but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.


I'm not clear on why the existence of lousy human beings makes you lose sympathy for animals who are unfortunate enough to be owned by lousy human beings.

It's not like the dog has much of a choice in the matter, now is it? Hell, it isn't even as if the animal knows any damn better. What's the owner's excuse?


Which isn't to say I'm against euthanizing dogs that seem to be "unsalvageable" after experiencing one or more pieces of human filth of this kind, I'm not. But I still feel bad for the animals all the same. Vicious or not, they had the potential to be something different, and they were no more "deserving" of their fate than a bent saw or broken hammer is deserving of being thrown in the garbage.
2012-11-29 08:21:14 AM
1 votes:
tell that to the pit that put 4 holes in my face when i was 8 and scarred me for life.. simply for walking in a room... tell that to the pit's owner who was a black cop in jamaica queens who trained his dog to attack white people and got arrested for unleashing it on others in a nearby park.

it's every bit as much the owner as the animal, but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.
2012-11-29 08:09:10 AM
1 votes:
Pitbull owner thinking can summed by a quote from Judge Judy. Every owner of a pit will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.
CSB I had a neighbors pit kill a doe goat and her two kids. Caught her trying to kill another and shot it dead. Needless to say the law laughed at him when he tried to report me
2012-11-29 08:00:41 AM
1 votes:
I have never wanted to punch a word in the face as much as I want to punch "pibble" in the face right now.

That word is going to sear my brain like the dying embers of a match head.

Thank you ever so much for that.
2012-11-29 07:54:23 AM
1 votes:
Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.
2012-11-29 07:51:34 AM
1 votes:

fyrewede: /just sayin'...


Curious. So long as we're talking "serious statistics" here, none of this makes any mention of where or how DogsBite.org gets it's information which it then analyzes in a purportedly empirical manner.

If it's purely from the news media, well, there's something of a problem there as the news media isn't what you would call an unbiased and impartial data collection service.

Or, to put this in a Meme:

www.seattledogspot.com
2012-11-29 07:50:15 AM
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fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks


...Sounds like going to The Brady campaign against gun violence to get numbers on which assault weapon is the most dangerous.

From what I understand of the problem, I think its all in the name.
Bad people, dangerous people, people looking for an attack dog are attracted to the name "Pit bull" and the legend that comes with it. They'll train it to be bad.
People who are scared of dogs are scared of the bad sounding name and the lore that's become attached to it. They'll blame any incident or bad dog anecdote on that breed.
You get a loop of bad press going, but there's nothing at its core.
People who know dogs know the owner is responsible for most of an animals behavior.

I think the solution is a nation wide campaign to rename these animals.
If people called them "American Terriers" (or something similarly mundane) then My money says the desire for assault dogs, and the blame that goes with it, would shift to another breed.

/There are many dangerous breeds, but this one has the evil name.
/note that when the military or police want an attack dog, they get German shepherds and dobermans.
2012-11-29 07:16:48 AM
1 votes:
I see ... since this is a thread about how NICE they are, Pitbulls exist.

When one mauls someone's Oma, suddenly "there's no such breed." Gotcha.
2012-11-29 07:12:25 AM
1 votes:
I've got a shelter dog. She's responsible for all of the joy in my life -- with her, with finding me my wife, with getting two non-furry kids. She's not a pit bull.

And once in the line of my job I had to go out to where fighting dogs were kept. One pitbull, her ear still bloody from where it had been ripped in half maybe a few days before, just wanted to be petted and to love me back. It was heartbreaking.

Here's my beef with pit bulls from the animal shelters:
1) I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the breed
2) A lot of douchebags train them to be mean
3) I don't know if a shelter pit was trained to be mean, or was raised by a loving family, but, statistically, I know they're more likely than others.
4) I don't want to introduce a big, strong, potentially dangerous dog to a house with two neurotic dogs and two kids.

Find my a little old lady getting forced to give up her beloved pit bull because they're moving into a nursing home? Sure, I'll take it if we can take another dog.

It's not the breed I'm worried about, but what the douchebag humans in the dog's past have done.
2012-11-29 06:52:09 AM
1 votes:

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.


I don't have a lot of experience with raising rattlesnakes, but I know I don't want one of them for a pet either.
2012-11-29 06:42:48 AM
1 votes:

Earpj: We have two pit mixes. Maggie is pit/heeler. She's a great dog.
We also have a pit/chihuahua pup (Trixie...cause she's short and reminds me of those tricksie Hobbitses)). She could go either way. Half of her is a violent breed prone to attack, and havehalf pit. She's only 7 weeks, so we'll have to wait to see how she looks.
It'll be interesting to be sure.

/Most of the pits I've known were more prone to be dog aggressive than people aggressive.


/FTFM
//So much for preview
2012-11-29 06:24:35 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable."


To be fair, any dog can benefit from training, not just pit bulls. Dogs- much like children- need structure and boundaries. Unlike children, they will never grow up and never internalize an understanding of ethics. No dog 'knows right from wrong'. They know what's allowed and what isn't. If you don't clue them in, they do as they would. They are animals and don't know any damn better.

When people forget this (or simply don't give a crap about it) is when you tend to have problems.

Been bit by large dogs twice, and each time human stupidity was at fault. First time was my own- though I was ten or so, so there you go- doing hurdles over strange dogs isn't very bright.. The second time was someone else's stupidity. When you get a brand new dog, it's never very smart to then put it on a leash out in front of a store where lots of cars and people are going by constantly.

Probably especially not a good move when it's shortly after you've stumbled into the parking lot after your van broke down on a cold night. You're nervous, the dog's nervous, doesn't know anyone around it, and oh hey, it reacts aggressively. Big surprise, right? I mean, it was only lunging at every car or person that went by, how were you supposed to know what was going to happen by continuing to stand there with it?

I've owned many dogs in my life, big and small, and every time I see this is the owner whom I feel could benefit from several weeks in a kennel. If nothing else it might tech them a thing or two about how dogs behave.
2012-11-29 06:13:51 AM
1 votes:
Just remember folks, your homeowners insurance, or HOA may have restrictions on what kinds of dogs you can have. Nothing causes heartbreak like adopting a sweet and adorable dog, only to be forced to give them up. You can get homeowners insurance that's OK with you having a pit, but it will cost you. HOA's one the other hand can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever. Until you are forced to get rid of your dog.

/and don't even think about painting your fence another color
2012-11-29 06:10:47 AM
1 votes:

I'm an Egyptian!: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been a dumb, adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

FTFY

/Love mine to death, but gods he is dumb.
//The cat chases him.


Mine too. Dumb as a box of rocks and also regularly abused by the cat (she seems to think they are playing. The cat holds no such misconception).

Watch out for the derpstorm!

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2012-11-29 06:09:27 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


Putting the cat out of it's misery too at the same time? That's efficient.
2012-11-29 06:02:55 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Here is another vicious breed. Doesn't she just look like terror incarnate, folks? 



/She wouldn't hurt a fly.
2012-11-29 06:02:10 AM
1 votes:

cherryl taggart: butt-wigglin', eager to please, would take a bullet for my kid dog.


This.
2012-11-29 06:00:00 AM
1 votes:

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been a dumb, adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.


FTFY

/Love mine to death, but gods he is dumb.
//The cat chases him.
2012-11-29 05:52:36 AM
1 votes:
We have a pit mix rescue. He is a mushball that suffers from separation anxiety.
/pic of said mushball in profile
2012-11-29 05:50:30 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.

Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home.


First off, there's no such breed as "pit bull" It's one of several breeds of bull dog. Second, the special training is there because most "pit bulls" are bought by small dicked farktards like Michael Vick who treat them horrifically and train them to be mean. When a person is abused for years and then lashes out, they're also sent to a shelter with specialty staff. Does that mean all people are inherently as violent as the outliers?
2012-11-29 05:32:08 AM
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2012-11-29 05:26:20 AM
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Some breeds are just more aggressive, stronger, and more likely to attack than others.

That's not an indictment of the breed. There are many members of the breed that are perfectly peaceful and unlikely to hurt a fly. Some of them are my best friends.
2012-11-29 12:57:23 AM
1 votes:

bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!


Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.
 
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