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2012-11-29 07:50:15 AM  

fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks


...Sounds like going to The Brady campaign against gun violence to get numbers on which assault weapon is the most dangerous.

From what I understand of the problem, I think its all in the name.
Bad people, dangerous people, people looking for an attack dog are attracted to the name "Pit bull" and the legend that comes with it. They'll train it to be bad.
People who are scared of dogs are scared of the bad sounding name and the lore that's become attached to it. They'll blame any incident or bad dog anecdote on that breed.
You get a loop of bad press going, but there's nothing at its core.
People who know dogs know the owner is responsible for most of an animals behavior.

I think the solution is a nation wide campaign to rename these animals.
If people called them "American Terriers" (or something similarly mundane) then My money says the desire for assault dogs, and the blame that goes with it, would shift to another breed.

/There are many dangerous breeds, but this one has the evil name.
/note that when the military or police want an attack dog, they get German shepherds and dobermans.
 
2012-11-29 07:50:19 AM  
We take our labrador to the dog park every weekend. Because of the breed ban on "pit bulls" in Miami-Dade County dog parks, we get a ton them in Broward County. It seems to me that most of them, while extremely playful and friendly, are aggressively so. They want everyone at the park to know they are in charge, but usually won't harm their playmates. The rest of them have absolutely no business being unleashed around other dogs.

As long as they don't intentionally injure or antagonize my dog, we're cool, but aggressive playing still makes me nervous and pit bulls seem prone to that.
 
2012-11-29 07:51:11 AM  
I hear that pit bull owners have a locking mechanism in their brain that prevents them from viewing the breed objectively.
 
2012-11-29 07:51:34 AM  

fyrewede: /just sayin'...


Curious. So long as we're talking "serious statistics" here, none of this makes any mention of where or how DogsBite.org gets it's information which it then analyzes in a purportedly empirical manner.

If it's purely from the news media, well, there's something of a problem there as the news media isn't what you would call an unbiased and impartial data collection service.

Or, to put this in a Meme:

www.seattledogspot.com
 
2012-11-29 07:54:23 AM  
Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.
 
2012-11-29 08:00:41 AM  
I have never wanted to punch a word in the face as much as I want to punch "pibble" in the face right now.

That word is going to sear my brain like the dying embers of a match head.

Thank you ever so much for that.
 
2012-11-29 08:03:50 AM  

towatchoverme: I have never wanted to punch a word in the face as much as I want to punch "pibble" in the face right now.

That word is going to sear my brain like the dying embers of a match head.

Thank you ever so much for that.


Used to be a comic strip in the daily paper named "the pibbles"... knew the lady they drew that. for what it's worth...
 
2012-11-29 08:09:10 AM  
Pitbull owner thinking can summed by a quote from Judge Judy. Every owner of a pit will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.
CSB I had a neighbors pit kill a doe goat and her two kids. Caught her trying to kill another and shot it dead. Needless to say the law laughed at him when he tried to report me
 
2012-11-29 08:16:08 AM  

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality


96.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I would think denying unfiltered reality would be the greater intellectual crime, but as you say, brother. Preach on!
 
2012-11-29 08:18:48 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Every owner of a pit any dog will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.


There you go.

Spent a lot of time doing house calls. This attitude is common to owners of pretty much any dog breed. As the stranger being brought into the house to perform a service, you'd be wise to tell that person that you aren't interested in what they "think" their dog is or is not capable of. Pen it up or you'll leave.
 
2012-11-29 08:21:14 AM  
tell that to the pit that put 4 holes in my face when i was 8 and scarred me for life.. simply for walking in a room... tell that to the pit's owner who was a black cop in jamaica queens who trained his dog to attack white people and got arrested for unleashing it on others in a nearby park.

it's every bit as much the owner as the animal, but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.
 
2012-11-29 08:23:21 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Pitbull owner thinking can summed by a quote from Judge Judy. Every owner of a pit will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.
CSB I had a neighbors pit kill a doe goat and her two kids. Caught her trying to kill another and shot it dead. Needless to say the law laughed at him when he tried to report me


LOL Y U MAD, DOE?
 
2012-11-29 08:26:51 AM  
In other news small children have started to disappear in the area, less of them needing to be adopted. It's a win, win!
 
2012-11-29 08:28:15 AM  

dapharmer: but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.


I'm not clear on why the existence of lousy human beings makes you lose sympathy for animals who are unfortunate enough to be owned by lousy human beings.

It's not like the dog has much of a choice in the matter, now is it? Hell, it isn't even as if the animal knows any damn better. What's the owner's excuse?


Which isn't to say I'm against euthanizing dogs that seem to be "unsalvageable" after experiencing one or more pieces of human filth of this kind, I'm not. But I still feel bad for the animals all the same. Vicious or not, they had the potential to be something different, and they were no more "deserving" of their fate than a bent saw or broken hammer is deserving of being thrown in the garbage.
 
2012-11-29 08:32:20 AM  

Mock26: My friend has two pitbulls, and one time, I had to ride in the back seat of her truck with one of the monsters. And do you know what the evil face eating creature did? It laid down, put its head on my lap, and took a nap!!!! A freaking nap I tell you! I was terrified for my life. At any moment the foul beast of hell could have sat up and possibly licked my face! Hell, it might have even stuck its nose at the window to breath in the air. The horror. The horror.


OMG! I had a very smiliar horrifying experience with my neighbor's pitbull while walking my dog. The neighbor's pitbull jumped the fence and wanted to play. In all fairness, it was a low fence and I was throwing a ball for my dog so it is probably my fault that we had to play with Briscoe that afternoon. The worst part of it was the slobbery licks that I had to endure. Me or my dog might have been kissed to death that afternoon if Briscoe's owner hadn't come out to stop it by clapping her hands!
I still have nightmares about that day.
 
2012-11-29 08:34:28 AM  
My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.
 
2012-11-29 08:35:02 AM  

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.


How about this: I think most of the people in this thread want people to recognize reality. Pit bulls are not the devil incarnate, and most are sweet hearts. However, the truth is that they can be dangerous as well. And more than other breads. To try to pretend otherwise is to reject reality.
 
2012-11-29 08:36:20 AM  

L.D. Ablo: I hate pit bulls.

A pack of three attacked my lazy, harmless, tabby cat.

I managed to break up the fight within a few seconds, but the cat suffered several lacerations and broken bones. She did not deserve that.

I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


A pack of three pit mixes attacked my son, I laid on top of him and fought but there is no fighting these dogs. We were able to save our faces but our bodies were ripped up and broken bones from bites. Very bad dogs.
The owner was just shocked her babies would attack anyone!
 
2012-11-29 08:40:30 AM  

BullBearMS: BigBooper: The evil little dogs that go from nice to trying to rip your face off with out warning are chihuahua's, toy poodles, and dachshund's. They get a muzzle automatically when they walk in the door.

My dachshund mix is incredibly mouthy. He rarely puts any pressure behind it and from his long history of shredding tennis balls, he definitely can exert pressure if he wants to. He does love to nibble on my fingers when I''m petting him. Does your wife know why some dogs are so insistent on doing that?

The main problem are the incredibly thick claws he has. I can't let him in my lap unless I have jeans on lest my legs end up bloody. He loves to basically just get in my lap and turn around in circles over and over and over ad infinitum. he doesn't mean to hurt you, but those claws are incredibl stout..

My neighbor's pit bull, on the other hand, is just the sweetest girl in the world. Rub her belly and she will be your friend for life.


My wife says that your dachshund is playing. Think about it, puppies play by nipping at each other. You need to train your dog that this behavior is not acceptable.

As for your dogs claws, they need to be trimmed! Talk to your vet, they can get those flesh ripping claws down to size, and teach you how to keep them short.
 
2012-11-29 08:41:07 AM  

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.


They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.
 
2012-11-29 08:41:24 AM  

DysphoricMania: Just picked up a rescue dog a few months back, and was shocked that more than 1/2 of the dogs in the pound were of "pit bull mix"...

Is the breed that pervasive? The pup I picked was listed as a "Jack Russell mix" but, seeing pit bull features in her already.

Thinking we're going to be overwhelmed with ghetto ponies before too long...


Our local pound has about 4-5 pages of dogs on Petfinders. Only about 1 page is not full of some sort of bull mix.
 
2012-11-29 08:45:19 AM  
Dog nuts are, hands down, some of the creepiest, most maladjusted people I know.

Not dog OWNERS ... I mean the the nuts. The ones who call them "fur kids" and such.

Good grief - they are PETS, people. A whole different species. Bred selectively by us over generations to exhibit certain traits. Calling your land shark a "pibble" doesn't make it less unpredictable any more than me calling myself a kangaroo will improve my vertical jump.

Now excuse me while I go argue with a creationist who is also a truther, a flat earther and climate change denier.
 
2012-11-29 08:46:10 AM  
Yeah, they used to feature the Dobermans...then the Rottweiles.....now the Pit Bulls are the EVERYBODY PANIC dog. Maybe someday they'll figure out its the assholes raising them.
 
2012-11-29 08:47:37 AM  
It's getting a bit annoying people posting statistics as some sort of evidence that 'Pitt Bulls' are inherently violent. But, it happens in every Fark thread regarding this breed, so it's not surprising.

It may be true statistically that the breed has a higher number of violent incidents as compared to other breeds. However, that could be because the breed now has an image that attracts unsavory people to buy, and train them for fighting and other such antisocial behavior. Caring would-be dog owners have shied away from this breed due to its growing reputation and less good owners have bought 'Pitt Bulls,' leaving mostly bad owners to abuse them and continue the growing notoriety of the breed.

Much like humans, if you abuse dogs, they develop dangerous, violent personalities. So the high statistics that show 'Pitt Bulls' to be more aggressive may stem from the possibility that fewer loving owners are buying them, leaving primarily abusive owners to raise them, which would account for Pitties being shown as more violent.

You could probably develop the same result with a breed such as Poodles. If our culture saw Poodles as a physically impressive and intimidating breed, you could take them and train them for dog-fighting and other aggressive behavior, their bad reputation would grow, less caring owners would buy them leaving only jerks who own and 'raise' them. And that would result in statistics showing that Poodles are the most aggressive breed. Would this behavior be inherent, as if Poodles are born killers? No. It would be the result of an unfortunate cultural trend.

Shocking as it may be to some, at one time, the American Pitt Bull Terrier was once considered to be a perfect family pet. They were thought to be excellent around children.

www.radaronline.com
 
2012-11-29 08:48:04 AM  

KimNorth: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.


What kind of odds do you give yourself against a 200+ lb french mastiff that's having a bad day? 140lb german shepherd? Rottie? Doberman? Great Dane? Wolfhound? Any big dog can fark you up if it wants to. I'm sorry you were attacked, but it still doesn't make pit breeds or mixes inherently more dangerous than others.
 
2012-11-29 08:50:51 AM  

Carn: My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.



You do know pits were a favorite dog because they were settling this country and the pit would go after a bear or large cat protecting live stock and the sleeping family? The kids were not playing catch with fido...Those old photo's you see of little kids with pits are most times not even their dog it was a fad. One more point as people started living closer to each other pits were the #1 dog to be poisoned because they bit and were considered un-friendly. Sad but true. That sight that post all those photo's of kids and how loved these dog were is mis-leading.
 
2012-11-29 08:52:34 AM  
Ridgebacks are more dangerous than pit bulls just due to size and temperament. I mean, if chihuahuas were 100 pounds, nobody would be safe... so not totally convinced the pit bull breed is "evil"... all in how they are raised/socialized.
 
2012-11-29 08:53:43 AM  

Carn: KimNorth: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.

What kind of odds do you give yourself against a 200+ lb french mastiff that's having a bad day? 140lb german shepherd? Rottie? Doberman? Great Dane? Wolfhound? Any big dog can fark you up if it wants to. I'm sorry you were attacked, but it still doesn't make pit breeds or mixes inherently more dangerous than others.


Muscle mass plus pits have the strongest jaws but against those other dogs none!!
 
2012-11-29 08:55:09 AM  

KimNorth: Carn: My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.


You do know pits were a favorite dog because they were settling this country and the pit would go after a bear or large cat protecting live stock and the sleeping family? The kids were not playing catch with fido...Those old photo's you see of little kids with pits are most times not even their dog it was a fad. One more point as people started living closer to each other pits were the #1 dog to be poisoned because they bit and were considered un-friendly. Sad but true. That sight that post all those photo's of kids and how loved these dog were is mis-leading.


A dog protecting its territory and pack? You don't say! That's what all dogs of any breed do. I'd like to see some sources for some of these claims, otherwise, my anecdote of my brother's pit mix chasing my 6 yr old nephew around the house licking him non-stop with my nephew giggling hysterically trumps your anecdotes.

There are many guard breeds and some of them are a lot bigger and stronger than pit bulls.
 
2012-11-29 08:56:36 AM  

The Larch: BigBooper: The problem is that they are incredibly powerful animals. A bite from an evil little chihuahua isn't likely to cause much damage. A pit on the other hand can kill.

Yep. Any dog above about 30 pounds can kill you if it gets lucky. Chihuahuas are normally below 30 pounds. Pitbulls are generally above 30 pounds. Therefore chihuahuas will have a hard time killing you. Pitbulls, german shepherds, rottweilers, beagles, basset hounds, greyhounds, standard size poodles, and even a large whippet has a chance to kill you, if it's so inclined.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us.


True. But to imply that all large dog breed are just as dangerous as pit bulls is simply false.
I don't blame the breed, I blame the owners. Every pit I personally know is a sweet heart. But then again, the owners are all responsible, caring, and loving.
The breed shouldn't be demonized, but it shouldn't be sugar coated either. They are large, powerful, and potentially dangerous when mistreated. And yes all dogs are dangerous when mistreated. But it has to be recognized that their size and strength make them more dangerous than other breeds.

/not to mention some of the idiots that own them
 
2012-11-29 08:58:48 AM  

Cythraul: It's getting a bit annoying people posting statistics as some sort of evidence that 'Pitt Bulls' are inherently violent. But, it happens in every Fark thread regarding this breed, so it's not surprising.

It may be true statistically that the breed has a higher number of violent incidents as compared to other breeds. However, that could be because the breed now has an image that attracts unsavory people to buy, and train them for fighting and other such antisocial behavior. Caring would-be dog owners have shied away from this breed due to its growing reputation and less good owners have bought 'Pitt Bulls,' leaving mostly bad owners to abuse them and continue the growing notoriety of the breed.

Much like humans, if you abuse dogs, they develop dangerous, violent personalities. So the high statistics that show 'Pitt Bulls' to be more aggressive may stem from the possibility that fewer loving owners are buying them, leaving primarily abusive owners to raise them, which would account for Pitties being shown as more violent.

You could probably develop the same result with a breed such as Poodles. If our culture saw Poodles as a physically impressive and intimidating breed, you could take them and train them for dog-fighting and other aggressive behavior, their bad reputation would grow, less caring owners would buy them leaving only jerks who own and 'raise' them. And that would result in statistics showing that Poodles are the most aggressive breed. Would this behavior be inherent, as if Poodles are born killers? No. It would be the result of an unfortunate cultural trend.

Shocking as it may be to some, at one time, the American Pitt Bull Terrier was once considered to be a perfect family pet. They were thought to be excellent around children.

[www.radaronline.com image 415x340]


It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after that and the mothers of the children voiced many complaints this is why the dog is see less in the show later on. Read the book.
 
2012-11-29 08:59:51 AM  
I am thinking of starting a dog fighting club with miniature schnauzers,shis tzus, and yorkies, maybe we will throw in an odd pomeranian every now and then.


But here is what sets up apart...they will fight each other with switchblades!!!
 
2012-11-29 09:01:23 AM  

KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...


Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.
 
2012-11-29 09:04:50 AM  

BigBooper: TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.

How about this: I think most of the people in this thread want people to recognize reality. Pit bulls are not the devil incarnate, and most are sweet hearts. However, the truth is that they can be dangerous as well. And more than other breads. To try to pretend otherwise is to reject reality.


As the owner of one of said morons, I can agree with this statement. Love my dog, but I do recognize that there is the potential for danger. However, I disagree it's more dangerous than other breads. Have you seen what a pissed off loaf of rye can do? And gods help you if you get the dander up on multigrain. I still have nightmares about that.
 
2012-11-29 09:09:19 AM  

KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored


Rumors don't shock me.

This is because they are rumors. I file them in that mental drawer with other similarly unsubstantiated BS.

Case in Point:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/other/ourgang.asp

"Although Photoplay magazine stated in 1930 that Pete the Pup (a pit bull) had been fatally poisoned, one cannot say that the "Pete the Pup" died, since (as was common practice with film animals) the part was played by a succession of several different animals (sometimes, reportedly, by multiple dogs within a single episode)."

Also, it's "Rascals".
 
2012-11-29 09:11:12 AM  

Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.


Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.
 
2012-11-29 09:12:30 AM  

way south: fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks

I think the solution is a nation wide campaign to rename these animals.
If people called them "AmericanFREEDOM Terriers" (or something similarly mundane) then My money says the desire for assault dogs, and the blame that goes with it, would shift to another breed.

 
2012-11-29 09:13:46 AM  
I've been on crutches a lot in the last few years and been advanced upon by three (that I can remember... lots of pain med too) pit bull looking dogs. My pals reckon it's due to the fact that I am moving like an injured animal and I tend to agree. The last one one was the worst... getting my son on the school bus, a loose, giant, strange dog, growling, barking, advancing despite yelling and banging crutches together. I fell twice trying to get it to leave and it sure got a lot more interested when I did. Throwing rocks at it finally did the trick. Eventually located the owner and he told me his dog "wouldn't hurt a fly". Like hell it wouldn't. The folks that say that never see their dogs out and alone.

My totally beta lab mix gets barky and shiatty with people when he's alone too.
 
2012-11-29 09:14:34 AM  

SkunkWerks: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored

Rumors don't shock me.

This is because they are rumors. I file them in that mental drawer with other similarly unsubstantiated BS.

Case in Point:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/other/ourgang.asp

"Although Photoplay magazine stated in 1930 that Pete the Pup (a pit bull) had been fatally poisoned, one cannot say that the "Pete the Pup" died, since (as was common practice with film animals) the part was played by a succession of several different animals (sometimes, reportedly, by multiple dogs within a single episode)."

Also, it's "Rascals".


Well maybe he wanted to poison the dog after it bit him.....
 
2012-11-29 09:16:21 AM  

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.



Citation, please.
 
2012-11-29 09:17:17 AM  

towatchoverme: I see ... since this is a thread about how NICE they are, Pitbulls exist.

When one mauls someone's Oma, suddenly "there's no such breed." Gotcha.


The "no true pitbull" fallacy?
 
2012-11-29 09:18:46 AM  
People used to be terrified of my Akita (he has since passed). They called him a killer breed and were intimidated by his sheer size. Thing is, all he did was lounge around the house and maybe bark at joggers going by.

That's it.

I saw him bare teeth exactly twice in 10 years, and both times were when he (and I) thought I was in danger. Yet people never got over the whole "killer breed" thing, even though he was the goofiest, most affectionate dog in the neighborhood. With everyone, not just me. He was a definite belly-rub enthusiast, even with complete strangers.

Yeah, some Akitas have attacked humans. Guess what? So have Daschunds and Cocker Spaniels, but landlords and HOAs don't seem to have a problem with them. A pitbull is just another breed of dog that is widely misunderstood, and that's a shame. Every one I have met (that comes from a good home) is a complete dork and attention whore.

BigBooper: The breed shouldn't be demonized, but it shouldn't be sugar coated either. They are large, powerful, and potentially dangerous when mistreated. And yes all dogs are dangerous when mistreated. But it has to be recognized that their size and strength make them more dangerous than other breeds.


So why do Akitas, Rotties, and other physically dominant breeds get more of a pass than Pits? You can walk a Rottie down the street and everyone wants to say hi. But try walking a pure Pit. I see what you're saying, but still.
 
2012-11-29 09:20:16 AM  
I was once in a plane crash, therefore all airplanes are dangerous killing machines. Do you have any idea how much damage a tube of metal filled with combustible chemicals can do?

/bad analogies are bad.
 
2012-11-29 09:24:38 AM  
Perhaps pits aren't more aggressive than any other breed. However they are more dangerous when they do attack. Most other large breeds (at least the aggressive ones) when they bite will snap a couple of times and then back off. They may repeat the attack multiple times but they may not, it depends on if the prey seems to be sufficiently cowed but not totally helpless. Pits are the type of dog that bite and hold while tearing at their target. They only release to get a better grip. And they tend not to stop till their prey stops moving.

So it's not the level of aggression. It's the type of attack.
 
2012-11-29 09:25:22 AM  

cherryl taggart: Try telling my homeowner's insurance or HOA. Both have specific clauses dealing with "vicious breeds." My freakin' Siamese is more evil than 90% of every animal on Earth. Even when warned, fools put their hands near his mouth because "he's so beautiful, he wouldn't hurt a fly." He gets a pass, while the butt-wigglin', eager to please, would take a bullet for my kid dog is a menace and needs to be banned from decent society.

Love my cat, but I want a dog, dammit.


Is your cat capable of inflicting lethal damage on a human being?
 
2012-11-29 09:27:12 AM  

a21ozcoldcup: Worked with shelters for years and wouldn't condone rumors and misconceptions about them but studies and established facts tell us two things. They bite more than other dogs (okay blame bad owners, statistically speaking that still means the majority of dogs in shelters are likely from the kind of home that wanted them to act aggressively) AND when they do bite its always much more damaging than the bites of other dogs. The sad truth is from a biological perspective they are built for fighting.

Are there nice ones that are harmless? Yes. Are there nice ones that snap and try to eat kids or pets? Yes. Are there more of these issues among this mix of breeds than any other? Yes.

Don't blindly defend them, thats as bad as the people who hang around wolf hybrids and claim they are also completely harmless. Every "breed" is unique both physiologically and in personality and temperament.

These are still animals at the end of the day and you can't predict what goes on in their head. In all my years working with shelters I've only been bitten once, by a 15 pound dog.. .it hurt but that was it, no blood. Reality is you have to be honest with what the dogs are capable of and educate people accordingly. Yes you can adopt Poofie. Yes she came from a broken home and was abused. Yes we think she is rehabilitated and plays regularly with kids but is aggressive towards cats. No we won't promise you that she won't snap at you, much like any other dog at some point. And be aware that her bite will do a hell of a lot more damage than your Greyhound or Collie could...


You do realize that you're arguing with people who think that posting a picture of "Brutus" in a funny hat is irrefutable proof that pit-bulls and other bully-breeds are completely and utterly "harmless". You do realize that, right?
 
2012-11-29 09:27:51 AM  
Get a real dog - get a mutt. Pitbulls or any other pure breed are eugenics inspired monstrosities. Maybe that kind of thing is fine for Nazi Germany but here in America we screw people of other backgrounds and produce the finest people in the world because of it.

/May not be valid in Arkansas, Appalachia and parts of rural Oregon and Michigan.
 
2012-11-29 09:28:15 AM  
You judge a dog's temperament by what he looks like, you're an idiot.
 
2012-11-29 09:29:11 AM  

Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.


http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html
 
2012-11-29 09:32:10 AM  
nimawai:

I have a ??rat terrier mix. He's about 7 lbs. He was in the pound as a bite dog. I worked with a rescue, and brought him home to foster and see if I could make him adoptable.
He adores me. Even "protecting" me from my other dogs.
I, also, let no one come over cause Winston might bite.

He once jumped off of my bed, and paralyzed himself for a few days. He still walks with stiff hind legs. A few weeks ago he had a mild stroke. As he was already neurotic, we have noticed no difference in his behavior.

I mention Winston, b/c your dogs remind me of Winston and our Maggie. She loves people and is extremely friendly. (pit/heelerX)
 
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