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2012-11-29 12:32:56 AM
Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!
 
2012-11-29 12:56:52 AM
i know people with perfectly behaved pit bulls.

they're not punk ass motherfarkers who get dogs to look tough, so the dogs are treated well and thus well behaved
 
2012-11-29 12:57:23 AM

bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!


Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.
 
2012-11-29 12:58:45 AM

FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.


I was talking about the owners.
 
2012-11-29 01:59:36 AM

FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.


Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home.
 
2012-11-29 03:08:06 AM
I hate pit bulls.

A pack of three attacked my lazy, harmless, tabby cat.

I managed to break up the fight within a few seconds, but the cat suffered several lacerations and broken bones. She did not deserve that.

I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.
 
2012-11-29 03:13:05 AM
Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.
 
2012-11-29 05:22:24 AM
My friend has two pitbulls, and one time, I had to ride in the back seat of her truck with one of the monsters. And do you know what the evil face eating creature did? It laid down, put its head on my lap, and took a nap!!!! A freaking nap I tell you! I was terrified for my life. At any moment the foul beast of hell could have sat up and possibly licked my face! Hell, it might have even stuck its nose at the window to breath in the air. The horror. The horror.
 
2012-11-29 05:24:16 AM
Hey now! Properly trained and socialized pit bulls are great dogs.

Also, half the dogs you think are pit bulls aren't.

/ dogs are better people than people
 
2012-11-29 05:26:20 AM
Some breeds are just more aggressive, stronger, and more likely to attack than others.

That's not an indictment of the breed. There are many members of the breed that are perfectly peaceful and unlikely to hurt a fly. Some of them are my best friends.
 
2012-11-29 05:32:08 AM
 
HBK
2012-11-29 05:33:25 AM

L.D. Ablo: I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


You're going to shoot a 12 gauge in the direction of your cat?
 
2012-11-29 05:35:01 AM
Most "pitbulls" are not 100% pitbull in the first place
 
2012-11-29 05:35:32 AM
I have a British bulldog/Pit bull cross we got from a rescue centre, she was bred to fight however disappointed the breeder by severely licking everyone and everything, she is a squat 6 stone dog who could tear your face off if she wanted but prefers to high five you and look embarrassed when caught eating her brothers food.
 
2012-11-29 05:37:23 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Most "pitbulls" are not 100% pitbull in the first place


NTTAWWT
 
2012-11-29 05:38:00 AM
The 2nd amendment guarantees my right to own an assault dog.

/Unfortunately what I got was a heavy floor rug that eats expensive food, snores louder than me, and only barks at birds...
/If you want a dog that attacks people, get a chow chow.
 
2012-11-29 05:38:38 AM
Try telling my homeowner's insurance or HOA. Both have specific clauses dealing with "vicious breeds." My freakin' Siamese is more evil than 90% of every animal on Earth. Even when warned, fools put their hands near his mouth because "he's so beautiful, he wouldn't hurt a fly." He gets a pass, while the butt-wigglin', eager to please, would take a bullet for my kid dog is a menace and needs to be banned from decent society.

Love my cat, but I want a dog, dammit.
 
2012-11-29 05:50:30 AM

BarkingUnicorn: FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.

Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home.


First off, there's no such breed as "pit bull" It's one of several breeds of bull dog. Second, the special training is there because most "pit bulls" are bought by small dicked farktards like Michael Vick who treat them horrifically and train them to be mean. When a person is abused for years and then lashes out, they're also sent to a shelter with specialty staff. Does that mean all people are inherently as violent as the outliers?
 
2012-11-29 05:52:36 AM
We have a pit mix rescue. He is a mushball that suffers from separation anxiety.
/pic of said mushball in profile
 
2012-11-29 05:53:30 AM
There are two sorts of dogs I'd like to have, Corgis and Australian Blues. But only in pairs or trios, and if I had a yard.

I briefly had a dog when I was a child, but I don't remember much of it because we moved to an apartment when my parents walked out of a house in the mid 80's and moved for work. By the time we had a backyard again my dad was being treated for his skin problems stemming from allergies that included dog.

My apartment complex is full of pit bull owners. And the only complaint I have about the upstairs pit bull is that it walks heavy.
 
2012-11-29 05:53:54 AM
Once, a pitbull stole my identity and used it to get financing for a full set of Swarofski crystal Christmas swans. Effed up, man. I know.
 
2012-11-29 05:56:50 AM

Kazan: i know people with perfectly behaved pit bulls.

they're not punk ass motherfarkers who get dogs to look tough, so the dogs are treated well and thus well behaved


Some of the most gentle and relaxed dogs that I know are pit bulls. My wife is a vet tech, and she says that pit bulls are easy to work with because they will let you do anything to them without getting upset. And those few that she does see that are aggressive are absolutely obvious about it. IF you know how to read doggies. Those that have been aggressive, many have shown signs of dog fighting, or other abuse. The problem is that they are incredibly powerful animals. A bite from an evil little chihuahua isn't likely to cause much damage. A pit on the other hand can kill.
The evil little dogs that go from nice to trying to rip your face off with out warning are chihuahua's, toy poodles, and dachshund's. They get a muzzle automatically when they walk in the door.

I'll admit that one of the problems is those people who try to rehabilitate a pit bull that has been aggressive and unpredictable. These are the people who don't believe that any animal should ever be put down. Unfortunately, once a pit bull has shown that it's aggressive, the only safe thing to do is put it down. I've seen dogs that went years between bites, that lost it out of the blue and bit someone or another pet. These are powerful and potentially dangerous animals. If they show signs of being aggressive or unpredictable, they can rarely be rehabilitated.
 
2012-11-29 06:00:00 AM

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been a dumb, adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.


FTFY

/Love mine to death, but gods he is dumb.
//The cat chases him.
 
2012-11-29 06:02:10 AM

cherryl taggart: butt-wigglin', eager to please, would take a bullet for my kid dog.


This.
 
2012-11-29 06:02:55 AM
i.imgur.com

Here is another vicious breed. Doesn't she just look like terror incarnate, folks? 



/She wouldn't hurt a fly.
 
2012-11-29 06:09:27 AM

L.D. Ablo: I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


Putting the cat out of it's misery too at the same time? That's efficient.
 
2012-11-29 06:10:47 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been a dumb, adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

FTFY

/Love mine to death, but gods he is dumb.
//The cat chases him.


Mine too. Dumb as a box of rocks and also regularly abused by the cat (she seems to think they are playing. The cat holds no such misconception).

Watch out for the derpstorm!

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2012-11-29 06:13:51 AM
Just remember folks, your homeowners insurance, or HOA may have restrictions on what kinds of dogs you can have. Nothing causes heartbreak like adopting a sweet and adorable dog, only to be forced to give them up. You can get homeowners insurance that's OK with you having a pit, but it will cost you. HOA's one the other hand can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever. Until you are forced to get rid of your dog.

/and don't even think about painting your fence another color
 
2012-11-29 06:17:32 AM
Pitbulls are incredibly sweet dogs, in general. Great temperament, very very loyal (which is where they've sometimes been called aggressive because they've been protecting their owner).

I have a whippet cross staffordshire (another breed often labelled "devil dogs"!), and she's so sweet and enthusiastic and adorable it's pathetic. She can run very very fast (when she wants to. She is very lazy. She has decided today is a cold day, and is therefore not moving.) 

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2012-11-29 06:24:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable."


To be fair, any dog can benefit from training, not just pit bulls. Dogs- much like children- need structure and boundaries. Unlike children, they will never grow up and never internalize an understanding of ethics. No dog 'knows right from wrong'. They know what's allowed and what isn't. If you don't clue them in, they do as they would. They are animals and don't know any damn better.

When people forget this (or simply don't give a crap about it) is when you tend to have problems.

Been bit by large dogs twice, and each time human stupidity was at fault. First time was my own- though I was ten or so, so there you go- doing hurdles over strange dogs isn't very bright.. The second time was someone else's stupidity. When you get a brand new dog, it's never very smart to then put it on a leash out in front of a store where lots of cars and people are going by constantly.

Probably especially not a good move when it's shortly after you've stumbled into the parking lot after your van broke down on a cold night. You're nervous, the dog's nervous, doesn't know anyone around it, and oh hey, it reacts aggressively. Big surprise, right? I mean, it was only lunging at every car or person that went by, how were you supposed to know what was going to happen by continuing to stand there with it?

I've owned many dogs in my life, big and small, and every time I see this is the owner whom I feel could benefit from several weeks in a kennel. If nothing else it might tech them a thing or two about how dogs behave.
 
2012-11-29 06:27:00 AM

BigBooper: The evil little dogs that go from nice to trying to rip your face off with out warning are chihuahua's, toy poodles, and dachshund's. They get a muzzle automatically when they walk in the door.


My dachshund mix is incredibly mouthy. He rarely puts any pressure behind it and from his long history of shredding tennis balls, he definitely can exert pressure if he wants to. He does love to nibble on my fingers when I''m petting him. Does your wife know why some dogs are so insistent on doing that?

The main problem are the incredibly thick claws he has. I can't let him in my lap unless I have jeans on lest my legs end up bloody. He loves to basically just get in my lap and turn around in circles over and over and over ad infinitum. he doesn't mean to hurt you, but those claws are incredibl stout..

My neighbor's pit bull, on the other hand, is just the sweetest girl in the world. Rub her belly and she will be your friend for life.
 
2012-11-29 06:29:29 AM

BigBooper: The problem is that they are incredibly powerful animals. A bite from an evil little chihuahua isn't likely to cause much damage. A pit on the other hand can kill.


Yep. Any dog above about 30 pounds can kill you if it gets lucky. Chihuahuas are normally below 30 pounds. Pitbulls are generally above 30 pounds. Therefore chihuahuas will have a hard time killing you. Pitbulls, german shepherds, rottweilers, beagles, basset hounds, greyhounds, standard size poodles, and even a large whippet has a chance to kill you, if it's so inclined.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us.
 
2012-11-29 06:31:01 AM
We have two pit mixes. Maggie is pit/heeler. She's a great dog.
We also have a pit/chihuahua pup (Trixie...cause she's short and reminds me of those tricksie Hobbitses)). She could go either way. Half of her is a violent breed prone to attack, and have pit. She's only 7 weeks, so we'll have to wait to see how she looks.
It'll be interesting to be sure.

/Most of the pits I've known were more prone to be dog aggressive than people aggressive.
 
2012-11-29 06:31:17 AM

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.


This. Historically they were called Nanny Dogs because parents got them to babysit their children. Google Nanny Dogs. It's adorable.

/own 1, and fostering 1
 
2012-11-29 06:31:20 AM
One of my friends in high school had a terrifying pit bull. Every farking time we got stoned, that dog would try to jump in our laps. God damn thing was like 55 pounds of muscle and bone. Shiat hurt, yo.
 
2012-11-29 06:35:58 AM
Best retrieving dog I ever saw while dove hunting was a pit bull.

Own a pit-mutt now. Good dog.
 
2012-11-29 06:42:48 AM

Earpj: We have two pit mixes. Maggie is pit/heeler. She's a great dog.
We also have a pit/chihuahua pup (Trixie...cause she's short and reminds me of those tricksie Hobbitses)). She could go either way. Half of her is a violent breed prone to attack, and havehalf pit. She's only 7 weeks, so we'll have to wait to see how she looks.
It'll be interesting to be sure.

/Most of the pits I've known were more prone to be dog aggressive than people aggressive.


/FTFM
//So much for preview
 
2012-11-29 06:49:04 AM
Just picked up a rescue dog a few months back, and was shocked that more than 1/2 of the dogs in the pound were of "pit bull mix"...

Is the breed that pervasive? The pup I picked was listed as a "Jack Russell mix" but, seeing pit bull features in her already.

Thinking we're going to be overwhelmed with ghetto ponies before too long...
 
2012-11-29 06:50:32 AM

HBK: L.D. Ablo: I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.

You're going to shoot a 12 gauge in the direction of your cat?


Came here to say that. You really want to use a rifle for that job.
 
2012-11-29 06:52:09 AM

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.


I don't have a lot of experience with raising rattlesnakes, but I know I don't want one of them for a pet either.
 
2012-11-29 06:58:49 AM
Came here to say that. You really want to use a rifle for that job.

or a halberd
 
2012-11-29 06:58:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home


The "special training" isn't to make them not aggressive. Most shelter dogs are adoptable but don't have any training. What you adopt is what you get. In the case of these pit bulls, when potential adopters interact with them and see that they're already trained to sit, come, not jump on you, listen to you, are housetrained, etc., who wouldn't want to adopt em? It's just to give them an edge over other dogs.
 
2012-11-29 07:10:48 AM
Funny thing is, most pit bulls are not naturally aggressive to humans, but to other dogs. That is what they were bred for.... killing other dogs. While it's true that having a pit in a home with other animals -may- be difficult, they are only aggressive to humans if they have been abused or trained to be so.

That said, I still do not like the breed as a personal choice, and not on their record. I don't have the mindset or time to properly condition such a breed.

But I think that anyone that gets a dog, needs to be able to spend time and attention trying to make that dog loved. You can't just get a dog, and then ignore it and then wonder why it's got issues. I mean, you basically are adopting a child when you get a dog. And it's amazing how many behavioral rules of one applies to the other.
 
2012-11-29 07:12:25 AM
I've got a shelter dog. She's responsible for all of the joy in my life -- with her, with finding me my wife, with getting two non-furry kids. She's not a pit bull.

And once in the line of my job I had to go out to where fighting dogs were kept. One pitbull, her ear still bloody from where it had been ripped in half maybe a few days before, just wanted to be petted and to love me back. It was heartbreaking.

Here's my beef with pit bulls from the animal shelters:
1) I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the breed
2) A lot of douchebags train them to be mean
3) I don't know if a shelter pit was trained to be mean, or was raised by a loving family, but, statistically, I know they're more likely than others.
4) I don't want to introduce a big, strong, potentially dangerous dog to a house with two neurotic dogs and two kids.

Find my a little old lady getting forced to give up her beloved pit bull because they're moving into a nursing home? Sure, I'll take it if we can take another dog.

It's not the breed I'm worried about, but what the douchebag humans in the dog's past have done.
 
2012-11-29 07:16:48 AM
I see ... since this is a thread about how NICE they are, Pitbulls exist.

When one mauls someone's Oma, suddenly "there's no such breed." Gotcha.
 
2012-11-29 07:20:46 AM

bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!


Yeah, because they're SO hard to pick out otherwise...
 
2012-11-29 07:22:18 AM
I know some people who have pit bulls, theyre too high strung. You couldnt pay me to keep a pit bull.

They're strong little bastards & its ALWAYS "go-time" 24/7 that thing is wired for sound & tearing through the house.

Its like living with a tiny body builder who has an unlimited supply of redbull.
 
2012-11-29 07:29:32 AM
DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death.

Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13) of those attacks.

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%.

In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed while taking a morning walk or getting the mail."

/just sayin'...
//plus, that brainless, high-strung, miniature yip dog next door may bite more often, but even a pack of 5 of them could not drag you under a car and dismember you... a couple of pit bulls OTOH..
 
2012-11-29 07:32:04 AM

way south: chow


Or an Akita.
 
2012-11-29 07:36:55 AM
Worked with shelters for years and wouldn't condone rumors and misconceptions about them but studies and established facts tell us two things. They bite more than other dogs (okay blame bad owners, statistically speaking that still means the majority of dogs in shelters are likely from the kind of home that wanted them to act aggressively) AND when they do bite its always much more damaging than the bites of other dogs. The sad truth is from a biological perspective they are built for fighting.

Are there nice ones that are harmless? Yes. Are there nice ones that snap and try to eat kids or pets? Yes. Are there more of these issues among this mix of breeds than any other? Yes.

Don't blindly defend them, thats as bad as the people who hang around wolf hybrids and claim they are also completely harmless. Every "breed" is unique both physiologically and in personality and temperament.

These are still animals at the end of the day and you can't predict what goes on in their head. In all my years working with shelters I've only been bitten once, by a 15 pound dog.. .it hurt but that was it, no blood. Reality is you have to be honest with what the dogs are capable of and educate people accordingly. Yes you can adopt Poofie. Yes she came from a broken home and was abused. Yes we think she is rehabilitated and plays regularly with kids but is aggressive towards cats. No we won't promise you that she won't snap at you, much like any other dog at some point. And be aware that her bite will do a hell of a lot more damage than your Greyhound or Collie could...
 
2012-11-29 07:50:15 AM

fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks


...Sounds like going to The Brady campaign against gun violence to get numbers on which assault weapon is the most dangerous.

From what I understand of the problem, I think its all in the name.
Bad people, dangerous people, people looking for an attack dog are attracted to the name "Pit bull" and the legend that comes with it. They'll train it to be bad.
People who are scared of dogs are scared of the bad sounding name and the lore that's become attached to it. They'll blame any incident or bad dog anecdote on that breed.
You get a loop of bad press going, but there's nothing at its core.
People who know dogs know the owner is responsible for most of an animals behavior.

I think the solution is a nation wide campaign to rename these animals.
If people called them "American Terriers" (or something similarly mundane) then My money says the desire for assault dogs, and the blame that goes with it, would shift to another breed.

/There are many dangerous breeds, but this one has the evil name.
/note that when the military or police want an attack dog, they get German shepherds and dobermans.
 
2012-11-29 07:50:19 AM
We take our labrador to the dog park every weekend. Because of the breed ban on "pit bulls" in Miami-Dade County dog parks, we get a ton them in Broward County. It seems to me that most of them, while extremely playful and friendly, are aggressively so. They want everyone at the park to know they are in charge, but usually won't harm their playmates. The rest of them have absolutely no business being unleashed around other dogs.

As long as they don't intentionally injure or antagonize my dog, we're cool, but aggressive playing still makes me nervous and pit bulls seem prone to that.
 
2012-11-29 07:51:11 AM
I hear that pit bull owners have a locking mechanism in their brain that prevents them from viewing the breed objectively.
 
2012-11-29 07:51:34 AM

fyrewede: /just sayin'...


Curious. So long as we're talking "serious statistics" here, none of this makes any mention of where or how DogsBite.org gets it's information which it then analyzes in a purportedly empirical manner.

If it's purely from the news media, well, there's something of a problem there as the news media isn't what you would call an unbiased and impartial data collection service.

Or, to put this in a Meme:

www.seattledogspot.com
 
2012-11-29 07:54:23 AM
Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.
 
2012-11-29 08:00:41 AM
I have never wanted to punch a word in the face as much as I want to punch "pibble" in the face right now.

That word is going to sear my brain like the dying embers of a match head.

Thank you ever so much for that.
 
2012-11-29 08:03:50 AM

towatchoverme: I have never wanted to punch a word in the face as much as I want to punch "pibble" in the face right now.

That word is going to sear my brain like the dying embers of a match head.

Thank you ever so much for that.


Used to be a comic strip in the daily paper named "the pibbles"... knew the lady they drew that. for what it's worth...
 
2012-11-29 08:09:10 AM
Pitbull owner thinking can summed by a quote from Judge Judy. Every owner of a pit will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.
CSB I had a neighbors pit kill a doe goat and her two kids. Caught her trying to kill another and shot it dead. Needless to say the law laughed at him when he tried to report me
 
2012-11-29 08:16:08 AM

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality


96.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

I would think denying unfiltered reality would be the greater intellectual crime, but as you say, brother. Preach on!
 
2012-11-29 08:18:48 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Every owner of a pit any dog will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.


There you go.

Spent a lot of time doing house calls. This attitude is common to owners of pretty much any dog breed. As the stranger being brought into the house to perform a service, you'd be wise to tell that person that you aren't interested in what they "think" their dog is or is not capable of. Pen it up or you'll leave.
 
2012-11-29 08:21:14 AM
tell that to the pit that put 4 holes in my face when i was 8 and scarred me for life.. simply for walking in a room... tell that to the pit's owner who was a black cop in jamaica queens who trained his dog to attack white people and got arrested for unleashing it on others in a nearby park.

it's every bit as much the owner as the animal, but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.
 
2012-11-29 08:23:21 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Pitbull owner thinking can summed by a quote from Judge Judy. Every owner of a pit will say my dog would never hurt anyone and then they turn on something.
CSB I had a neighbors pit kill a doe goat and her two kids. Caught her trying to kill another and shot it dead. Needless to say the law laughed at him when he tried to report me


LOL Y U MAD, DOE?
 
2012-11-29 08:26:51 AM
In other news small children have started to disappear in the area, less of them needing to be adopted. It's a win, win!
 
2012-11-29 08:28:15 AM

dapharmer: but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.


I'm not clear on why the existence of lousy human beings makes you lose sympathy for animals who are unfortunate enough to be owned by lousy human beings.

It's not like the dog has much of a choice in the matter, now is it? Hell, it isn't even as if the animal knows any damn better. What's the owner's excuse?


Which isn't to say I'm against euthanizing dogs that seem to be "unsalvageable" after experiencing one or more pieces of human filth of this kind, I'm not. But I still feel bad for the animals all the same. Vicious or not, they had the potential to be something different, and they were no more "deserving" of their fate than a bent saw or broken hammer is deserving of being thrown in the garbage.
 
2012-11-29 08:32:20 AM

Mock26: My friend has two pitbulls, and one time, I had to ride in the back seat of her truck with one of the monsters. And do you know what the evil face eating creature did? It laid down, put its head on my lap, and took a nap!!!! A freaking nap I tell you! I was terrified for my life. At any moment the foul beast of hell could have sat up and possibly licked my face! Hell, it might have even stuck its nose at the window to breath in the air. The horror. The horror.


OMG! I had a very smiliar horrifying experience with my neighbor's pitbull while walking my dog. The neighbor's pitbull jumped the fence and wanted to play. In all fairness, it was a low fence and I was throwing a ball for my dog so it is probably my fault that we had to play with Briscoe that afternoon. The worst part of it was the slobbery licks that I had to endure. Me or my dog might have been kissed to death that afternoon if Briscoe's owner hadn't come out to stop it by clapping her hands!
I still have nightmares about that day.
 
2012-11-29 08:34:28 AM
My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.
 
2012-11-29 08:35:02 AM

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.


How about this: I think most of the people in this thread want people to recognize reality. Pit bulls are not the devil incarnate, and most are sweet hearts. However, the truth is that they can be dangerous as well. And more than other breads. To try to pretend otherwise is to reject reality.
 
2012-11-29 08:36:20 AM

L.D. Ablo: I hate pit bulls.

A pack of three attacked my lazy, harmless, tabby cat.

I managed to break up the fight within a few seconds, but the cat suffered several lacerations and broken bones. She did not deserve that.

I got her stitched up and she's fine now. It was unexpected. She's a homebody who rarely wants out.

I keep a 12 gauge handy now. If there's another attack, I won't be running the dogs off.


A pack of three pit mixes attacked my son, I laid on top of him and fought but there is no fighting these dogs. We were able to save our faces but our bodies were ripped up and broken bones from bites. Very bad dogs.
The owner was just shocked her babies would attack anyone!
 
2012-11-29 08:40:30 AM

BullBearMS: BigBooper: The evil little dogs that go from nice to trying to rip your face off with out warning are chihuahua's, toy poodles, and dachshund's. They get a muzzle automatically when they walk in the door.

My dachshund mix is incredibly mouthy. He rarely puts any pressure behind it and from his long history of shredding tennis balls, he definitely can exert pressure if he wants to. He does love to nibble on my fingers when I''m petting him. Does your wife know why some dogs are so insistent on doing that?

The main problem are the incredibly thick claws he has. I can't let him in my lap unless I have jeans on lest my legs end up bloody. He loves to basically just get in my lap and turn around in circles over and over and over ad infinitum. he doesn't mean to hurt you, but those claws are incredibl stout..

My neighbor's pit bull, on the other hand, is just the sweetest girl in the world. Rub her belly and she will be your friend for life.


My wife says that your dachshund is playing. Think about it, puppies play by nipping at each other. You need to train your dog that this behavior is not acceptable.

As for your dogs claws, they need to be trimmed! Talk to your vet, they can get those flesh ripping claws down to size, and teach you how to keep them short.
 
2012-11-29 08:41:07 AM

Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.


They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.
 
2012-11-29 08:41:24 AM

DysphoricMania: Just picked up a rescue dog a few months back, and was shocked that more than 1/2 of the dogs in the pound were of "pit bull mix"...

Is the breed that pervasive? The pup I picked was listed as a "Jack Russell mix" but, seeing pit bull features in her already.

Thinking we're going to be overwhelmed with ghetto ponies before too long...


Our local pound has about 4-5 pages of dogs on Petfinders. Only about 1 page is not full of some sort of bull mix.
 
2012-11-29 08:45:19 AM
Dog nuts are, hands down, some of the creepiest, most maladjusted people I know.

Not dog OWNERS ... I mean the the nuts. The ones who call them "fur kids" and such.

Good grief - they are PETS, people. A whole different species. Bred selectively by us over generations to exhibit certain traits. Calling your land shark a "pibble" doesn't make it less unpredictable any more than me calling myself a kangaroo will improve my vertical jump.

Now excuse me while I go argue with a creationist who is also a truther, a flat earther and climate change denier.
 
2012-11-29 08:46:10 AM
Yeah, they used to feature the Dobermans...then the Rottweiles.....now the Pit Bulls are the EVERYBODY PANIC dog. Maybe someday they'll figure out its the assholes raising them.
 
2012-11-29 08:47:37 AM
It's getting a bit annoying people posting statistics as some sort of evidence that 'Pitt Bulls' are inherently violent. But, it happens in every Fark thread regarding this breed, so it's not surprising.

It may be true statistically that the breed has a higher number of violent incidents as compared to other breeds. However, that could be because the breed now has an image that attracts unsavory people to buy, and train them for fighting and other such antisocial behavior. Caring would-be dog owners have shied away from this breed due to its growing reputation and less good owners have bought 'Pitt Bulls,' leaving mostly bad owners to abuse them and continue the growing notoriety of the breed.

Much like humans, if you abuse dogs, they develop dangerous, violent personalities. So the high statistics that show 'Pitt Bulls' to be more aggressive may stem from the possibility that fewer loving owners are buying them, leaving primarily abusive owners to raise them, which would account for Pitties being shown as more violent.

You could probably develop the same result with a breed such as Poodles. If our culture saw Poodles as a physically impressive and intimidating breed, you could take them and train them for dog-fighting and other aggressive behavior, their bad reputation would grow, less caring owners would buy them leaving only jerks who own and 'raise' them. And that would result in statistics showing that Poodles are the most aggressive breed. Would this behavior be inherent, as if Poodles are born killers? No. It would be the result of an unfortunate cultural trend.

Shocking as it may be to some, at one time, the American Pitt Bull Terrier was once considered to be a perfect family pet. They were thought to be excellent around children.

www.radaronline.com
 
2012-11-29 08:48:04 AM

KimNorth: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.


What kind of odds do you give yourself against a 200+ lb french mastiff that's having a bad day? 140lb german shepherd? Rottie? Doberman? Great Dane? Wolfhound? Any big dog can fark you up if it wants to. I'm sorry you were attacked, but it still doesn't make pit breeds or mixes inherently more dangerous than others.
 
2012-11-29 08:50:51 AM

Carn: My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.



You do know pits were a favorite dog because they were settling this country and the pit would go after a bear or large cat protecting live stock and the sleeping family? The kids were not playing catch with fido...Those old photo's you see of little kids with pits are most times not even their dog it was a fad. One more point as people started living closer to each other pits were the #1 dog to be poisoned because they bit and were considered un-friendly. Sad but true. That sight that post all those photo's of kids and how loved these dog were is mis-leading.
 
2012-11-29 08:52:34 AM
Ridgebacks are more dangerous than pit bulls just due to size and temperament. I mean, if chihuahuas were 100 pounds, nobody would be safe... so not totally convinced the pit bull breed is "evil"... all in how they are raised/socialized.
 
2012-11-29 08:53:43 AM

Carn: KimNorth: Dafodude: Anyone who wants to write off pit bulls as a bad breed as a whole probably doesn't have a lot of experience with the breed.

The only pits that I've met that were vicious were raised for fighting, and if it weren't for the owner's friends being at the house I would have socked him in his face in no time flat. I still to this day wish I could lay him out.

Every other Pibble I've met has been an adorable mushball. Same with Rottweilers.

They are not a bad dog I guess just a very, very powerful dog. If it is having a bad day it can kill you, a Border collie you can fight off.

What kind of odds do you give yourself against a 200+ lb french mastiff that's having a bad day? 140lb german shepherd? Rottie? Doberman? Great Dane? Wolfhound? Any big dog can fark you up if it wants to. I'm sorry you were attacked, but it still doesn't make pit breeds or mixes inherently more dangerous than others.


Muscle mass plus pits have the strongest jaws but against those other dogs none!!
 
2012-11-29 08:55:09 AM

KimNorth: Carn: My brother has a 1 year old puppy that looks like it's part rhodesian ridgeback or hound and part pit or american staffordshire. He's short and very beastly. He's pushing 100 pounds and all he does is constantly give everyone kisses and try to get hugs. He wrestles with the other dogs and is the most gentle of the bunch. People who say all x dogs are x are stupid. Just because there are idiots out there abusing and abandoning them doesn't make the breed evil. 100 years ago, pits were one of the favorite family dogs.


You do know pits were a favorite dog because they were settling this country and the pit would go after a bear or large cat protecting live stock and the sleeping family? The kids were not playing catch with fido...Those old photo's you see of little kids with pits are most times not even their dog it was a fad. One more point as people started living closer to each other pits were the #1 dog to be poisoned because they bit and were considered un-friendly. Sad but true. That sight that post all those photo's of kids and how loved these dog were is mis-leading.


A dog protecting its territory and pack? You don't say! That's what all dogs of any breed do. I'd like to see some sources for some of these claims, otherwise, my anecdote of my brother's pit mix chasing my 6 yr old nephew around the house licking him non-stop with my nephew giggling hysterically trumps your anecdotes.

There are many guard breeds and some of them are a lot bigger and stronger than pit bulls.
 
2012-11-29 08:56:36 AM

The Larch: BigBooper: The problem is that they are incredibly powerful animals. A bite from an evil little chihuahua isn't likely to cause much damage. A pit on the other hand can kill.

Yep. Any dog above about 30 pounds can kill you if it gets lucky. Chihuahuas are normally below 30 pounds. Pitbulls are generally above 30 pounds. Therefore chihuahuas will have a hard time killing you. Pitbulls, german shepherds, rottweilers, beagles, basset hounds, greyhounds, standard size poodles, and even a large whippet has a chance to kill you, if it's so inclined.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us.


True. But to imply that all large dog breed are just as dangerous as pit bulls is simply false.
I don't blame the breed, I blame the owners. Every pit I personally know is a sweet heart. But then again, the owners are all responsible, caring, and loving.
The breed shouldn't be demonized, but it shouldn't be sugar coated either. They are large, powerful, and potentially dangerous when mistreated. And yes all dogs are dangerous when mistreated. But it has to be recognized that their size and strength make them more dangerous than other breeds.

/not to mention some of the idiots that own them
 
2012-11-29 08:58:48 AM

Cythraul: It's getting a bit annoying people posting statistics as some sort of evidence that 'Pitt Bulls' are inherently violent. But, it happens in every Fark thread regarding this breed, so it's not surprising.

It may be true statistically that the breed has a higher number of violent incidents as compared to other breeds. However, that could be because the breed now has an image that attracts unsavory people to buy, and train them for fighting and other such antisocial behavior. Caring would-be dog owners have shied away from this breed due to its growing reputation and less good owners have bought 'Pitt Bulls,' leaving mostly bad owners to abuse them and continue the growing notoriety of the breed.

Much like humans, if you abuse dogs, they develop dangerous, violent personalities. So the high statistics that show 'Pitt Bulls' to be more aggressive may stem from the possibility that fewer loving owners are buying them, leaving primarily abusive owners to raise them, which would account for Pitties being shown as more violent.

You could probably develop the same result with a breed such as Poodles. If our culture saw Poodles as a physically impressive and intimidating breed, you could take them and train them for dog-fighting and other aggressive behavior, their bad reputation would grow, less caring owners would buy them leaving only jerks who own and 'raise' them. And that would result in statistics showing that Poodles are the most aggressive breed. Would this behavior be inherent, as if Poodles are born killers? No. It would be the result of an unfortunate cultural trend.

Shocking as it may be to some, at one time, the American Pitt Bull Terrier was once considered to be a perfect family pet. They were thought to be excellent around children.

[www.radaronline.com image 415x340]


It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after that and the mothers of the children voiced many complaints this is why the dog is see less in the show later on. Read the book.
 
2012-11-29 08:59:51 AM
I am thinking of starting a dog fighting club with miniature schnauzers,shis tzus, and yorkies, maybe we will throw in an odd pomeranian every now and then.


But here is what sets up apart...they will fight each other with switchblades!!!
 
2012-11-29 09:01:23 AM

KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...


Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.
 
2012-11-29 09:04:50 AM

BigBooper: TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.

How about this: I think most of the people in this thread want people to recognize reality. Pit bulls are not the devil incarnate, and most are sweet hearts. However, the truth is that they can be dangerous as well. And more than other breads. To try to pretend otherwise is to reject reality.


As the owner of one of said morons, I can agree with this statement. Love my dog, but I do recognize that there is the potential for danger. However, I disagree it's more dangerous than other breads. Have you seen what a pissed off loaf of rye can do? And gods help you if you get the dander up on multigrain. I still have nightmares about that.
 
2012-11-29 09:09:19 AM

KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored


Rumors don't shock me.

This is because they are rumors. I file them in that mental drawer with other similarly unsubstantiated BS.

Case in Point:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/other/ourgang.asp

"Although Photoplay magazine stated in 1930 that Pete the Pup (a pit bull) had been fatally poisoned, one cannot say that the "Pete the Pup" died, since (as was common practice with film animals) the part was played by a succession of several different animals (sometimes, reportedly, by multiple dogs within a single episode)."

Also, it's "Rascals".
 
2012-11-29 09:11:12 AM

Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.


Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.
 
2012-11-29 09:12:30 AM

way south: fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks

I think the solution is a nation wide campaign to rename these animals.
If people called them "AmericanFREEDOM Terriers" (or something similarly mundane) then My money says the desire for assault dogs, and the blame that goes with it, would shift to another breed.

 
2012-11-29 09:13:46 AM
I've been on crutches a lot in the last few years and been advanced upon by three (that I can remember... lots of pain med too) pit bull looking dogs. My pals reckon it's due to the fact that I am moving like an injured animal and I tend to agree. The last one one was the worst... getting my son on the school bus, a loose, giant, strange dog, growling, barking, advancing despite yelling and banging crutches together. I fell twice trying to get it to leave and it sure got a lot more interested when I did. Throwing rocks at it finally did the trick. Eventually located the owner and he told me his dog "wouldn't hurt a fly". Like hell it wouldn't. The folks that say that never see their dogs out and alone.

My totally beta lab mix gets barky and shiatty with people when he's alone too.
 
2012-11-29 09:14:34 AM

SkunkWerks: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored

Rumors don't shock me.

This is because they are rumors. I file them in that mental drawer with other similarly unsubstantiated BS.

Case in Point:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/other/ourgang.asp

"Although Photoplay magazine stated in 1930 that Pete the Pup (a pit bull) had been fatally poisoned, one cannot say that the "Pete the Pup" died, since (as was common practice with film animals) the part was played by a succession of several different animals (sometimes, reportedly, by multiple dogs within a single episode)."

Also, it's "Rascals".


Well maybe he wanted to poison the dog after it bit him.....
 
2012-11-29 09:16:21 AM

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.



Citation, please.
 
2012-11-29 09:17:17 AM

towatchoverme: I see ... since this is a thread about how NICE they are, Pitbulls exist.

When one mauls someone's Oma, suddenly "there's no such breed." Gotcha.


The "no true pitbull" fallacy?
 
2012-11-29 09:18:46 AM
People used to be terrified of my Akita (he has since passed). They called him a killer breed and were intimidated by his sheer size. Thing is, all he did was lounge around the house and maybe bark at joggers going by.

That's it.

I saw him bare teeth exactly twice in 10 years, and both times were when he (and I) thought I was in danger. Yet people never got over the whole "killer breed" thing, even though he was the goofiest, most affectionate dog in the neighborhood. With everyone, not just me. He was a definite belly-rub enthusiast, even with complete strangers.

Yeah, some Akitas have attacked humans. Guess what? So have Daschunds and Cocker Spaniels, but landlords and HOAs don't seem to have a problem with them. A pitbull is just another breed of dog that is widely misunderstood, and that's a shame. Every one I have met (that comes from a good home) is a complete dork and attention whore.

BigBooper: The breed shouldn't be demonized, but it shouldn't be sugar coated either. They are large, powerful, and potentially dangerous when mistreated. And yes all dogs are dangerous when mistreated. But it has to be recognized that their size and strength make them more dangerous than other breeds.


So why do Akitas, Rotties, and other physically dominant breeds get more of a pass than Pits? You can walk a Rottie down the street and everyone wants to say hi. But try walking a pure Pit. I see what you're saying, but still.
 
2012-11-29 09:20:16 AM
I was once in a plane crash, therefore all airplanes are dangerous killing machines. Do you have any idea how much damage a tube of metal filled with combustible chemicals can do?

/bad analogies are bad.
 
2012-11-29 09:24:38 AM
Perhaps pits aren't more aggressive than any other breed. However they are more dangerous when they do attack. Most other large breeds (at least the aggressive ones) when they bite will snap a couple of times and then back off. They may repeat the attack multiple times but they may not, it depends on if the prey seems to be sufficiently cowed but not totally helpless. Pits are the type of dog that bite and hold while tearing at their target. They only release to get a better grip. And they tend not to stop till their prey stops moving.

So it's not the level of aggression. It's the type of attack.
 
2012-11-29 09:25:22 AM

cherryl taggart: Try telling my homeowner's insurance or HOA. Both have specific clauses dealing with "vicious breeds." My freakin' Siamese is more evil than 90% of every animal on Earth. Even when warned, fools put their hands near his mouth because "he's so beautiful, he wouldn't hurt a fly." He gets a pass, while the butt-wigglin', eager to please, would take a bullet for my kid dog is a menace and needs to be banned from decent society.

Love my cat, but I want a dog, dammit.


Is your cat capable of inflicting lethal damage on a human being?
 
2012-11-29 09:27:12 AM

a21ozcoldcup: Worked with shelters for years and wouldn't condone rumors and misconceptions about them but studies and established facts tell us two things. They bite more than other dogs (okay blame bad owners, statistically speaking that still means the majority of dogs in shelters are likely from the kind of home that wanted them to act aggressively) AND when they do bite its always much more damaging than the bites of other dogs. The sad truth is from a biological perspective they are built for fighting.

Are there nice ones that are harmless? Yes. Are there nice ones that snap and try to eat kids or pets? Yes. Are there more of these issues among this mix of breeds than any other? Yes.

Don't blindly defend them, thats as bad as the people who hang around wolf hybrids and claim they are also completely harmless. Every "breed" is unique both physiologically and in personality and temperament.

These are still animals at the end of the day and you can't predict what goes on in their head. In all my years working with shelters I've only been bitten once, by a 15 pound dog.. .it hurt but that was it, no blood. Reality is you have to be honest with what the dogs are capable of and educate people accordingly. Yes you can adopt Poofie. Yes she came from a broken home and was abused. Yes we think she is rehabilitated and plays regularly with kids but is aggressive towards cats. No we won't promise you that she won't snap at you, much like any other dog at some point. And be aware that her bite will do a hell of a lot more damage than your Greyhound or Collie could...


You do realize that you're arguing with people who think that posting a picture of "Brutus" in a funny hat is irrefutable proof that pit-bulls and other bully-breeds are completely and utterly "harmless". You do realize that, right?
 
2012-11-29 09:27:51 AM
Get a real dog - get a mutt. Pitbulls or any other pure breed are eugenics inspired monstrosities. Maybe that kind of thing is fine for Nazi Germany but here in America we screw people of other backgrounds and produce the finest people in the world because of it.

/May not be valid in Arkansas, Appalachia and parts of rural Oregon and Michigan.
 
2012-11-29 09:28:15 AM
You judge a dog's temperament by what he looks like, you're an idiot.
 
2012-11-29 09:29:11 AM

Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.


http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html
 
2012-11-29 09:32:10 AM
nimawai:

I have a ??rat terrier mix. He's about 7 lbs. He was in the pound as a bite dog. I worked with a rescue, and brought him home to foster and see if I could make him adoptable.
He adores me. Even "protecting" me from my other dogs.
I, also, let no one come over cause Winston might bite.

He once jumped off of my bed, and paralyzed himself for a few days. He still walks with stiff hind legs. A few weeks ago he had a mild stroke. As he was already neurotic, we have noticed no difference in his behavior.

I mention Winston, b/c your dogs remind me of Winston and our Maggie. She loves people and is extremely friendly. (pit/heelerX)
 
2012-11-29 09:32:18 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7458026/80976620#c80976620" target="_blank">Carn</a>:</b> <i>KimNorth: Dafodude:

What kind of odds do you give yourself against a 200+ lb french mastiff that's having a bad day? 140lb german shepherd? .</i>

I would give myself pretty good odds against a 140 lbs german shepherd. At that weight, he would be so morbidly obese I suspect he would have trouble waddling over to me and a good barking would wind him.
 
2012-11-29 09:32:25 AM

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html


Yep, so it seems. I've also read in many of similar articles that state the breed's history that they were specifically bred to be people friendly, even if they were bred to be aggressive towards other animals. Which is not very vindicating.
 
2012-11-29 09:33:14 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: I was once in a plane crash, therefore all airplanes are dangerous killing machines. Do you have any idea how much damage a tube of metal filled with combustible chemicals can do?


I took a plane once and it didn't crash, therefore there's absolutely no chance that any plane will crash, ever. To support this, the pilot wore a funny hat.
 
2012-11-29 09:34:03 AM

stuhayes2010: Best retrieving dog I ever saw while dove hunting was a pit bull.

Own a pit-mutt now. Good dog.


Who dafuq shoots doves?
 
2012-11-29 09:34:11 AM
If one loves the breed, you won't convince them they're all bad.
If one is convinced the breed is all bad, you won't convince them otherwise.
 
2012-11-29 09:35:29 AM

nimawai: This is my evil & vicious Pit / Rhodesian Ridgeback Zoey.]


You do realize that once Zoey sees that you posted this picture of her, she will probably never forgive you?
 
2012-11-29 09:35:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 09:35:47 AM
The only time I've ever been bitten was by a literal "ankle-biter." Some tiny dog, can't remember the breed, didn't like me in this customer's house. The customer did not restrain the dog, and it bit me on the leg just above the ankle. Since it was a small dog, the owner did not take the bite seriously, but the bite drew blood even through my work pants. Dog was psychotic.
 
2012-11-29 09:38:07 AM

Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.


http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/3952/

This happen right after Katrina with two pit bulls now remember they have been bred for this for 1000 of years instinct is instinct. They go after a bull for food?? Point, yes I believe so...
 
2012-11-29 09:38:16 AM
Every one or two years there is a death caused by a Pit Bull. It's usually ridiculously gruesome. The owners all say, "But he was a nice dog! Never did anything like that before!"

One that sticks in my mind. The dog chewed off both of a womans arms.

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/05/flashback-pit-bull-chews-off-owners. h tml

Call them nice. Pretend they are safe. Hell, I would pet one. But I wouldn't let a child anywhere near one. And I wouldn't sleep in the same room with one. It's not that they are vicious. It's that they will be fine until they have one bad day. Then it's beserker time.
 
2012-11-29 09:38:58 AM
Our rescue pit is pretty much a coward - though if some were to come at me or my girlfriend swinging, the dog would go apeshiat. Sweet dog though pain seems to make them stronger when raging. It can make for a jeckyll and hyde scenario if not completely under control.
 
2012-11-29 09:39:41 AM
Did you just cite a student project?? That is some great f-ing reporting.

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html

 
2012-11-29 09:40:59 AM
Well I for one think that circumcision is a horrific act and should be outlawed across America!!

/Wrong thread?
 
2012-11-29 09:43:20 AM
Somewhat off topic but does anyone remember the arc of Knights of the Dinner Table where one of the group wound up buying a few thousand pit bulls due to a typo in the rules and used them as an army? For those that haven't read it it wasn't pretty. Entire villages were consumed.
 
2012-11-29 09:46:18 AM
For what it's worth, ten year old me once had to back my way up the street toward home about a hundred yards before I was out of the territory he was claiming, a step at a time, having to make bluff check after bluff check for dominance. Farking redneck's less-than-alpha pit bull mix who'd been allowed to run loose. It took well over an hour to fully disengage.
 
2012-11-29 09:46:31 AM

Earpj: nimawai:

I have a ??rat terrier mix. He's about 7 lbs. He was in the pound as a bite dog. I worked with a rescue, and brought him home to foster and see if I could make him adoptable.
He adores me. Even "protecting" me from my other dogs.
I, also, let no one come over cause Winston might bite.

He once jumped off of my bed, and paralyzed himself for a few days. He still walks with stiff hind legs. A few weeks ago he had a mild stroke. As he was already neurotic, we have noticed no difference in his behavior.

I mention Winston, b/c your dogs remind me of Winston and our Maggie. She loves people and is extremely friendly. (pit/heelerX)


It's sad that Pits have been given the reputation that they have. You always hear about the attacks because their bites are lethal. Zoey is such a love. I had the misconseption that everyone else had. Before I made my final decision to keep her I did a LOT of research. I also observed her around people & Bailey. Bay would viciously attack Zoey & Zoey would just sit there taking it. Honestly it amazed me. She's just this big goofy lovable dog.

If you read about the original lines of the breed ANY pup that showed the slightest bit of aggression towards a human was immediately put down. They wanted to take that trait out of the breed. Unfortunately some people decided it would be "fun" to put that trait back into some of the lines. Responsible breeders don't do that. It's also in how the dog is raised. Zoey have been given love since the day I found her. I made sure to train her myself. I made sure she KNEW I was alpha. I've never once had a problem with her.

I actually think it's funny that my vicious Pit is a big old cuddlly baby who wants nothing more to love and be loved on is the non violent one & my Yorkiepoo tries to bite everyone but me. It's kind of messed up but funny.
 
2012-11-29 09:50:38 AM

Seacrest: Did you just cite a student project?? That is some great f-ing reporting.

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html


R U S-L-O-W? I used an education site. That has posted word for word a court case from the 1800's regarding the use of pits and bull & bear fighting......

By the way I am not a reporter but do believe my info is better than what you are getting from the AP these days.
 
2012-11-29 09:51:15 AM

GalFriday: nimawai: This is my evil & vicious Pit / Rhodesian Ridgeback Zoey.]

You do realize that once Zoey sees that you posted this picture of her, she will probably never forgive you?


LOL I've posted it in a few places. She hasn't gotten pissed yet. She lets me do all kinds of crazy things to her. Case in point putting that hat on her. She was more interested in the fuzzy balls. She thought the hat was a toy. lol
 
2012-11-29 09:52:40 AM

fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death.

Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13) of those attacks.

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%.

In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed whi ...


This. All of the pitbull fanboyism in the world doesn't change the statistics. Yes, the statistics are skewed somewhat by owners who train the dogs to be aggressive, but that does not change the fact that many characteristics make them a more dangerous breed. Characteristic strength makes any breed more dangerous than a breed of lesser strength, pit bulls are also not as naturally docile as many other breeds such as retrievers and labradors. There are genetic factors to behavior and anyone who tells you a pitbull is no more dangerous than any other dog is mental.

Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.
 
2012-11-29 09:53:16 AM
The pitbull's natural tendency seems to be extremely goofy and high energy. They want to play and play hard.
 
2012-11-29 09:56:42 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: doesn't change the statistics


Statistics can never be slanted, misrepresented, or poorly gathered. Ever.

It isn't important to know from what sources the data was gathered, under what circumstances it was calculated, or whether or not any of the sources or other persons involved posses any certain agenda of any kind which might skew results- intentionally or otherwise.

Putting the term "statistically supported" in any sentence automatically wins you arguments, period.

/sagenod
 
2012-11-29 09:56:49 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: However, I disagree it's more dangerous than other breads. Have you seen what a pissed off loaf of rye can do? And gods help you if you get the dander up on multigrain. I still have nightmares about that.


One typo... ONE.

Any ways
While not as deadly because of it's smaller size, French Bread is the most vicious of all the breads. What it lacks in size and power, it makes up with tenacity and aggressiveness. Oh sure it's good with soup, until one day when you least expect it, it attacks a visitor or one of the neighbors kids.
 
2012-11-29 09:58:04 AM
The Dog of Peace
 
2012-11-29 09:58:23 AM

jigger: The pitbull's natural tendency seems to be extremely goofy and high energy. They want to play and play hard.


Just remember that what the animal thinks of as "play" and what you think of as "puncturing a kidney" may in fact be one in the same, and not because the animal has any idea what a kidney is or why it's important to you.
 
2012-11-29 09:59:59 AM
Here is my ferocious pit.
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2012-11-29 10:01:04 AM
When my friend's daughter was 3 they were considering getting a new dog and opted for a pit bull. Of course so many busy bodies were objecting, "oh how can you put your daughter's life at risk like that?" "So totally irresponsible..." etc.

Almost a year to the day that dog came home she posted a picture on facebook of her daughter wrapping that poor dog up in a pink boa, a princess skirt and a little crown on her head. That dog had a big grin on her face as if to say "Yup. Still preferable to shelter life."

Now there's a new baby in the house and the dog has taken to sleeping next to the crib. I guess she's got to protect the littlest member of her pack. Or make sure that he isn't attacked by pink feather boas from his older sister.
 
2012-11-29 10:01:34 AM
All this "It's not the breed, it's the owner" and "Pits are only bad because bad people make them that way" talk argues strongly against adopting rescue pits. Because as much special training as you put into the rescue dog, you can't change their past. And if the dog ends up in a shelter, odds are strong that the past was not good.
 
2012-11-29 10:01:49 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.


Sorry, but pit's jaws are far stronger, and they do have an instinct for fighting, very much by design, so other dogs snapping are not nearly the big deal that pits snapping are.

We hear this 'it's just how you raise them' myth every time the Pit topic comes up, and always someone explains how in nearly every case of a pit killing a child the family said the dog was gentle and raised to be gentle and just snapped once.

It's a risk factor pit enthusiasts wish to dismiss as 'just statistics' or 'the fault of the owners, so I will magically eliminate this risk factor with my magic owner skills'.

That's why the kids keep getting killed.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.
 
2012-11-29 10:04:48 AM

Arcanum: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.

Sorry, but pit's jaws are far stronger, and they do have an instinct for fighting, very much by design, so other dogs snapping are not nearly the big deal that pits snapping are.

We hear this 'it's just how you raise them' myth every time the Pit topic comes up, and always someone explains how in nearly every case of a pit killing a child the family said the dog was gentle and raised to be gentle and just snapped once.

It's a risk factor pit enthusiasts wish to dismiss as 'just statistics' or 'the fault of the owners, so I will magically eliminate this risk factor with my magic owner skills'.

That's why the kids keep getting killed.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.


2/10, this might get some bites. We'll see.
 
2012-11-29 10:07:39 AM
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2012-11-29 10:09:58 AM
Pit bulls are like people, some are good and some are assholes. Most pits I met were wonderful, but it depends on their environment and their humans.
 
2012-11-29 10:11:11 AM
Link We're the STRONG voice for the amazing Pitbulls
 
2012-11-29 10:12:32 AM

Ninepoundhammer: [img856.imageshack.us image 240x320]


AHHH! A MONSTER! KILL IT! KILL IT!

/I'd give it belly rubs...
 
2012-11-29 10:14:05 AM

KatjaMouse: Ninepoundhammer: [img856.imageshack.us image 240x320]

AHHH! A MONSTER! KILL IT! KILL IT!

/I'd give it belly rubs...


You'd have a new best friend forever
 
2012-11-29 10:17:30 AM

Arcanum: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.

Sorry, but pit's jaws are far stronger, and they do have an instinct for fighting, very much by design, so other dogs snapping are not nearly the big deal that pits snapping are.

We hear this 'it's just how you raise them' myth every time the Pit topic comes up, and always someone explains how in nearly every case of a pit killing a child the family said the dog was gentle and raised to be gentle and just snapped once.

It's a risk factor pit enthusiasts wish to dismiss as 'just statistics' or 'the fault of the owners, so I will magically eliminate this risk factor with my magic owner skills'.

That's why the kids keep getting killed.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.


Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.
 
2012-11-29 10:19:39 AM

Arcanum: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.

Sorry, but pit's jaws are far stronger, and they do have an instinct for fighting, very much by design, so other dogs snapping are not nearly the big deal that pits snapping are.

We hear this 'it's just how you raise them' myth every time the Pit topic comes up, and always someone explains how in nearly every case of a pit killing a child the family said the dog was gentle and raised to be gentle and just snapped once.

It's a risk factor pit enthusiasts wish to dismiss as 'just statistics' or 'the fault of the owners, so I will magically eliminate this risk factor with my magic owner skills'.

That's why the kids keep getting killed.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.


10/10
 
2012-11-29 10:20:13 AM

KimNorth: Arcanum: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Also, dogs are all animals, and are therefore unpredictable to a certain degree. How many of you have heard of the "perfect family dog" snapping and attacking someone? If you haven't, you don't pay attention.

Sorry, but pit's jaws are far stronger, and they do have an instinct for fighting, very much by design, so other dogs snapping are not nearly the big deal that pits snapping are.

We hear this 'it's just how you raise them' myth every time the Pit topic comes up, and always someone explains how in nearly every case of a pit killing a child the family said the dog was gentle and raised to be gentle and just snapped once.

It's a risk factor pit enthusiasts wish to dismiss as 'just statistics' or 'the fault of the owners, so I will magically eliminate this risk factor with my magic owner skills'.

That's why the kids keep getting killed.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.

Pits should be destroyed immediately upon processing into an animal shelter. They are exotic animals, and you should have to carry insurance if you own a tiger or a pit. If you are truly willing to be a responsible pit owner, you will have that insurance to protect others. Of course, that insurance is priced rather scientifically, and it is not cheap.


Nice to see you can put your herp where your derp is. Or 3/10, definitely a stronger effort here, but I'm sure you can do better.
 
2012-11-29 10:21:54 AM

Kazan: i know people with perfectly behaved pit bulls.

they're not punk ass motherfarkers who get dogs to look tough, so the dogs are treated well and thus well behaved


Amazing what good upbringing can do for a dog or person, isn't it?
 
2012-11-29 10:22:19 AM
The Cordoba Fighting Dog managed to go extinct, why can't these damn things too? Just automatically put them down once found.
 
2012-11-29 10:29:45 AM
OFF TOPIC but relevant
my dog has had a case of ear mites in one ear for five years. The vet keeps giving us some meds (drops) but within weeks they are back. But ONLY in that one ear. The tarry stinky ear is the bane of my home. Any suggestions other than find a new vet? She is 12 and a sweetie
 
2012-11-29 10:30:21 AM
Hands down most amazing dog I've ever been fortunate enough to own (30+ years of perpetual dog ownership). She dotes on him 24/7.

That said, we invested and continue to invest a lot of time in training and socializing her.

/responsible dog ownership FTW!

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2012-11-29 10:34:15 AM
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She will bite your face off .... when she wakes up.
 
2012-11-29 10:35:52 AM

swangoatman: OFF TOPIC but relevant
my dog has had a case of ear mites in one ear for five years. The vet keeps giving us some meds (drops) but within weeks they are back. But ONLY in that one ear. The tarry stinky ear is the bane of my home. Any suggestions other than find a new vet? She is 12 and a sweetie


I've heard mineral oil can help with that. Googled quick to make sure i wasn't making that up. LINK
 
2012-11-29 10:42:11 AM

swangoatman: OFF TOPIC but relevant
my dog has had a case of ear mites in one ear for five years. The vet keeps giving us some meds (drops) but within weeks they are back. But ONLY in that one ear. The tarry stinky ear is the bane of my home. Any suggestions other than find a new vet? She is 12 and a sweetie


Get a new dog?
 
d3
2012-11-29 10:43:04 AM
To all the defenders of Pit Bulls, no one believes you! You say the same things as the owners who had animals that did attack someone. "Oh, he's such a fluffball, cream-puff, he'd never hurt anyone!" Then they act all shocked when the dog actually does rip someone's face off. ANY animal can be provoked into aggression. The combination of strength and tenacity is rather unique to the Pit Bull. Other aggressive dogs like Rotties and Shepherds are strong and aggressive but not nearly as tenacious as Pits. That tenacity is what makes them good as fighting dogs but also makes the damage they do much worse because it is harder to stop them once they've been triggered.

Yes, the animals are just being what they are and the human owners are the ones ultimately responsible. But if the people who love the breed and defend it so much really want to make a change, then support tougher ownership laws, higher insurance, and other incentives that will make ownership be limited to the people who will truly care properly for them.
 
2012-11-29 10:43:56 AM

L.D. Ablo: A pack of three attacked my lazy, harmless, tabby cat.


I don't know the rest of the story behind this, but I have a couple lab mixes that would have done the same.

If you keep your cat in your yard and I keep my dogs in my yard, there is a pretty small chance that will happen. For whatever reason, some cat people seem to think that everyone enjoys their little killing machines. Animals don't always interact the way that you want them to. My pit mix would act the same way, but but gets along well with my other 2 dogs and every person that comes to the house.

Sorry to hear about your kitty. Please keep your new kitties in your own yard. If you don't, maybe the owners will be kind enough to rake up the pieces and return them to you. I don't waste time with a 12 gauge though, I figure that I let nature take its course.
 
2012-11-29 10:50:34 AM

swangoatman: OFF TOPIC but relevant
my dog has had a case of ear mites in one ear for five years. The vet keeps giving us some meds (drops) but within weeks they are back. But ONLY in that one ear. The tarry stinky ear is the bane of my home. Any suggestions other than find a new vet? She is 12 and a sweetie


Moonshine...the real stuff.
 
2012-11-29 10:56:42 AM

BigBooper: My wife says that your dachshund is playing. Think about it, puppies play by nipping at each other. You need to train your dog that this behavior is not acceptable.

As for your dogs claws, they need to be trimmed! Talk to your vet, they can get those flesh ripping claws down to size, and teach you how to keep them short.


Thanks.

He definitely loves to play. Aside from Labs, I've never seen a dog so completely focused on a ball when you have it in your hand. Total fetch crackhead. He also loves to run around your ankles and jump up in the air and nip at your fingers when you're going walkies. He's pretty much the most spastic dog ever.

Unfortunately, even after his claws have been freshly trimmed by the vet and are fairly blunt, he still manages to draw blood running in circles on unprotected skin when he's being a lap dog.

He's just reaching maturity, so hopefully he'll calm the heck down as he gets older.
 
2012-11-29 10:56:44 AM
Busting this one out again ...

Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless.

Sad how accurate it is. Even to the "rake up the pieces of the cat" comment immediately above.

can now add;
* Stats can prove anything so they obviously prove nothing.
* They should be called "pibbles" because, really, it's just the nasty name that gives them a bad reputation
* Here's Cuddles in a funny hat and eating cake ... so obviously, harmless
 
2012-11-29 10:57:15 AM

swangoatman: OFF TOPIC but relevant
my dog has had a case of ear mites in one ear for five years. The vet keeps giving us some meds (drops) but within weeks they are back. But ONLY in that one ear. The tarry stinky ear is the bane of my home. Any suggestions other than find a new vet? She is 12 and a sweetie


Tar like? That is usually the result of an ear infection. Mites usually cause a coffe gound consistency. If that tar like substance has a smell it is usually from an ear infection. Not a vet, I'm a tech. Cannot see your dogs ears plus I am not legally allowed to diagnose any problem your dog might have. Just stating my opinion.
 
2012-11-29 11:03:00 AM
We have a pit that was rescued by a relative of ours. The only danger from her is getting whipped by her tail because she's so happy to see people. Other dogs terrify her and the cats bully her around. We wanted to get her more socialized because she whines incessantly when we walk her, but we found out last night that PetCo won't accept her into doggy daycare because she's of a 'bully' breed. I told the manager that if the dog was a person, the company would be facing a discrimination lawsuit.
 
2012-11-29 11:09:35 AM
I love cats but I think in the vet office they are worse then any dog. Although I notice that your bigger dogs are bigger babies then your little dogs. The little dogs tend to get mad first. The big dogs tend to fall apart and howl and cry like your killing them. It is like come on it is just a little rubbing alcohol.
 
2012-11-29 11:09:48 AM

KatjaMouse: When my friend's daughter was 3 they were considering getting a new dog and opted for a pit bull. Of course so many busy bodies were objecting, "oh how can you put your daughter's life at risk like that?" "So totally irresponsible..." etc.

Almost a year to the day that dog came home she posted a picture on facebook of her daughter wrapping that poor dog up in a pink boa, a princess skirt and a little crown on her head. That dog had a big grin on her face as if to say "Yup. Still preferable to shelter life."

Now there's a new baby in the house and the dog has taken to sleeping next to the crib. I guess she's got to protect the littlest member of her pack. Or make sure that he isn't attacked by pink feather boas from his older sister.


My older brother and his wife had an "oops" baby in their late forties and their exhausted old butts developed the ability to sleep through the baby waking up and crying in the night. They had a rottie who would jump up on the bed with them nudge them awake with her nose till somebody would get the heck up and take care of the new baby.

The four footed auxiliary momma, if you will.
 
2012-11-29 11:11:38 AM
Children killed in 2010 by maltreatment: 1,262
Total(adults and children) killer dog deaths in 2010: 33


If you're one of those folks spouting about how kids are being killed by vicious dogs, you may want to put your worries in perspective. 

USDHHS
 
2012-11-29 11:15:04 AM

BigBooper: I'm an Egyptian!: However, I disagree it's more dangerous than other breads. Have you seen what a pissed off loaf of rye can do? And gods help you if you get the dander up on multigrain. I still have nightmares about that.

One typo... ONE.

Any ways
While not as deadly because of it's smaller size, French Bread is the most vicious of all the breads. What it lacks in size and power, it makes up with tenacity and aggressiveness. Oh sure it's good with soup, until one day when you least expect it, it attacks a visitor or one of the neighbors kids.


I will wholeheartedly agree. And they always team up with boules. The horde of boules throws themselves at you, peppering you with their floury goodness, and then the french loaf comes in for the kill, bludgeoning you to death.
 
2012-11-29 11:16:38 AM

sandbar67: [i.imgur.com image 850x850]

She will bite your face off .... when she wakes up.


Pignose Shovelhead. Looks just like mine.
 
2012-11-29 11:20:09 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: BigBooper: I'm an Egyptian!: However, I disagree it's more dangerous than other breads. Have you seen what a pissed off loaf of rye can do? And gods help you if you get the dander up on multigrain. I still have nightmares about that.

One typo... ONE.

Any ways
While not as deadly because of it's smaller size, French Bread is the most vicious of all the breads. What it lacks in size and power, it makes up with tenacity and aggressiveness. Oh sure it's good with soup, until one day when you least expect it, it attacks a visitor or one of the neighbors kids.

I will wholeheartedly agree. And they always team up with boules. The horde of boules throws themselves at you, peppering you with their floury goodness, and then the french loaf comes in for the kill, bludgeoning you to death.


will you PLEASE stop!!! It's still 45 mins until lunch!!!! OM NOM NOM NOM

:P
 
2012-11-29 11:20:45 AM

towatchoverme: Busting this one out again ...

Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless.

Sad how accurate it is. Even to the "rake up the pieces of the cat" comment immediately above.

can now add;
* Stats can prove anything so they obviously prove nothing.
* They should be called "pibbles" because, really, it's just the nasty name that gives them a bad reputation
* Here's Cuddles in a funny hat and eating cake ... so obviously, harmless


* Idiots who sum up discussions with cliched bullet points.
 
2012-11-29 11:27:08 AM

Cythraul: * Idiots who sum up discussions with cliched bullet points.


Not since Noel Coward flossed his teeth has a single thread seen such wit.

Bravo sir.
 
2012-11-29 11:27:43 AM

towatchoverme: * Stats can prove anything so they obviously prove nothing.


Additionally:
* Statistics are unquestionable and infallible proof of anything.
* If you say "statistics" in a sentence, you're automatically right.
* Hyperbole Bonus Round.
 
2012-11-29 11:30:40 AM

Noah_Tall: Perhaps pits aren't more aggressive than any other breed. However they are more dangerous when they do attack. Most other large breeds (at least the aggressive ones) when they bite will snap a couple of times and then back off. They may repeat the attack multiple times but they may not, it depends on if the prey seems to be sufficiently cowed but not totally helpless. Pits are the type of dog that bite and hold while tearing at their target. They only release to get a better grip. And they tend not to stop till their prey stops moving.

So it's not the level of aggression. It's the type of attack.


This is complete bullshiat. You ever seen video of trained police dogs (typically german shepherds)? They don't quit until their handler tells them to and often when they physically yank them off the target. And this is a dog that is often twice the weight and size of a pit, with a larger maw and teeth. Then can take a short hop and be on your throat. Granted, a pit can just as easily knock you down and go at you but all things being equal, I'm going to worry about the bigger dog. This doesn't mean I won't be concerned if I come across an unleashed pit mix (which has happened a couple of times but nothing bad happened). My uncle's german shepherd Leo was a truly frightening animal. You didn't dare even look cross eyed at my uncle when the dog was around. And his nose was about belly button height on a grown man.

Anyway, as usual, the moderate stance is the correct one: are pit bulls or mixes inherently evil? No, of course not. If properly trained and cared for they are big love bugs. Should they be respected for their size and power the same as any large breed of dog? Yes. Do not get any large dog if you don't know how to train them.
 
2012-11-29 11:33:05 AM

Carn:
Anyway, as usual, the moderate stance is the correct one: are pit bulls or mixes inherently evil? No, of course not. If properly trained and cared for they are big love bugs. Should they be respected for their size and power the same as any large breed of dog? Yes. Do not get any large dog if you don't know how to train them.


This

/thread
 
2012-11-29 11:34:56 AM

mcwehrle: Children killed in 2010 by maltreatment: 1,262
Total(adults and children) killer dog deaths in 2010: 33


If you're one of those folks spouting about how kids are being killed by vicious dogs, you may want to put your worries in perspective. 

USDHHS


Excellent point.
 
2012-11-29 11:36:30 AM

slapmasteremily: I love cats but I think in the vet office they are worse then any dog. Although I notice that your bigger dogs are bigger babies then your little dogs. The little dogs tend to get mad first. The big dogs tend to fall apart and howl and cry like your killing them. It is like come on it is just a little rubbing alcohol.


My ex was a vet tech and this is absolutely true.

12 years after the fact and she still has scars on her arms.
 
2012-11-29 11:43:05 AM
I live in a city that has both a) a very strong dog culture (as in businesses put out water bowls for canine passers-by and most cafes allow dogs) and b) a very strong running culture.

The only dogs that have ever exhibited aggression toward me when I'm out running are small yappy rat dogs. All the pitbulls I pass - and there are tons in my neighborhood - are calm and collected.
 
2012-11-29 11:46:49 AM

slapmasteremily: I love cats but I think in the vet office they are worse then any dog. Although I notice that your bigger dogs are bigger babies then your little dogs. The little dogs tend to get mad first. The big dogs tend to fall apart and howl and cry like your killing them. It is like come on it is just a little rubbing alcohol.


I had an 85lb pit x that I was fostering. She was getting her shots. I had to hold her on my hip like a huge toddler. She was scared, poor girl.
 
2012-11-29 11:47:05 AM

dapharmer: tell that to the pit that put 4 holes in my face when i was 8 and scarred me for life.. simply for walking in a room... tell that to the pit's owner who was a black cop in jamaica queens who trained his dog to attack white people and got arrested for unleashing it on others in a nearby park.

it's every bit as much the owner as the animal, but when the majority of pit owners are thug losers there's no sympathy for the animal from me.


I'm sorry. It was a rotten thing to have to go through. But again, it was the owner's fault. Are we to surmise that all black cops are psychopaths because this guys trained his pit bull to attack white people?
 
2012-11-29 11:49:00 AM

wildcardjack: There are two sorts of dogs I'd like to have, Corgis and Australian Blues. But only in pairs or trios, and if I had a yard.

I briefly had a dog when I was a child, but I don't remember much of it because we moved to an apartment when my parents walked out of a house in the mid 80's and moved for work. By the time we had a backyard again my dad was being treated for his skin problems stemming from allergies that included dog.

My apartment complex is full of pit bull owners. And the only complaint I have about the upstairs pit bull is that it walks heavy.


Dogs bred for herding (originally and currently) are excellent. You get a relatively intelligent pooch who has, hopefully, not been rendered inbred and unhealthy by AKC standards. That said, aren't Aussies sometimes nippy?

As for Corgis, don't overlook the Cardigans. My grandmother had two, once upon a time, and they were excellent companion dogs. They also might be less nippy (and more relaxed) than the Pembrokes, but that's not based on any personal experience. Just reading.
 
2012-11-29 11:50:11 AM
I wonder what all these folks have in common:

3.bp.blogspot.com 

www.viciousnews.com
ksaz.images.worldnow.com
www.morningjournal.com
www.tampabay.com
iwidk.com
 
2012-11-29 11:51:04 AM
There are more pitbull bites because....there are more pitbulls!

Pitbulls have gotten a bad rap because they've become a vanity breed. You have far too many people acquiring them simply because they want it for an ego boost. I can remember going to the local ASPCA when one of my shar-pei's passed and being shocked at how many of the dogs there were "pit bull mixes". It had to be well over 60% of available to adopt dogs.

My pit is 80lbs of derp who gets his rear handed to him regularly by my two corgis when it comes to playtime or those damn rawhide bone things. I've also seen pits or pit mixes I would never get near because their owners wanted a "junkyard dog" or simply never took the time to care for and discipline it.

Nothing wrong with pit bulls, they're just dogs. Plenty of things wrong with people though and that's the real issue.
 
2012-11-29 11:51:32 AM

towatchoverme: slapmasteremily: I love cats but I think in the vet office they are worse then any dog. Although I notice that your bigger dogs are bigger babies then your little dogs. The little dogs tend to get mad first. The big dogs tend to fall apart and howl and cry like your killing them. It is like come on it is just a little rubbing alcohol.

My ex was a vet tech and this is absolutely true.

12 years after the fact and she still has scars on her arms.


I've always heard that little dogs are worse around kids than big dogs and in general my experience has backed that up. Little dogs are more easily threatened by a little tyke who wants to come play with the doggy but doesn't understand what might hurt or scare a little dog. A big dog just sits there and takes it while the little kid climbs all over them, twists their ears, and whatever. My niece is not quite two but loves dogs and we had four around during Thanksgiving. She likes the littlest one the best (less intimidating for her) but the little one actually was getting quite snippy around her and actually lunged at her once when they were playing in the living room. My dog (great dane/boxer) just comes up and guards while the rhodesian/pit mix was trying to lick her and everyone else to death. The littlest one was the one I was watching the closest around the littlest kid.
 
2012-11-29 11:54:08 AM

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 453x285] 

[www.viciousnews.com image 468x294]
[ksaz.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]
[www.morningjournal.com image 850x632]
[www.tampabay.com image 450x300]
[iwidk.com image 468x319]


Well, at least three of them have Fox News in common...
 
2012-11-29 11:59:49 AM
Did you read the case? It is about making a bear or bull more ferocious not the dogs. More directly it is about animal cruelty and the fact that if not for the human intervention the bull and the dog were cuddling up together in a peaceful coexistence. But ignorance is bliss, keep defending the ill treatment of animals as instinct.

KimNorth: Seacrest: Did you just cite a student project?? That is some great f-ing reporting.

KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: Cythraul: KimNorth: It may shock you to know that the first pit use in the little raskells was rumored to be poisoned by a stage hand after it bit him. The pit died and so the back up was used after ...

Therefore, Pitt Bulls are evil.

Yes, yes they are.......never ever...EVER in the history of deaths caused by a breed of dog has there been so many! Plus horrible attacks! This dog has been breed since the 1600's for fighting maybe this is why it just snaps I don't know but it does snap.


Citation, please.

http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/trial/bullbaiting.html

R U S-L-O-W? I used an education site. That has posted word for word a court case from the 1800's regarding the use of pits and bull & bear fighting......

By the way I am not a reporter but do believe my info is better than what you are getting from the AP these days.

 
2012-11-29 12:01:59 PM

Kveld: There are more pitbull bites because....there are more pitbulls!


I seem to recall similar high rates of dog bites among specific breeds. Breeds that happened to be the "fad breed" of the moment. You mean the statistical likelihood of a given breed biting someone is influenced by how many of them are out there?

t3.gstatic.com

Also there's a green-shift in my monitor forming a square around your posts now for some reason. Not sure that's even possible on an LCD monitor...
 
2012-11-29 12:03:13 PM

Carn: towatchoverme: slapmasteremily: I love cats but I think in the vet office they are worse then any dog. Although I notice that your bigger dogs are bigger babies then your little dogs. The little dogs tend to get mad first. The big dogs tend to fall apart and howl and cry like your killing them. It is like come on it is just a little rubbing alcohol.

My ex was a vet tech and this is absolutely true.

12 years after the fact and she still has scars on her arms.

I've always heard that little dogs are worse around kids than big dogs and in general my experience has backed that up. Little dogs are more easily threatened by a little tyke who wants to come play with the doggy but doesn't understand what might hurt or scare a little dog. A big dog just sits there and takes it while the little kid climbs all over them, twists their ears, and whatever. My niece is not quite two but loves dogs and we had four around during Thanksgiving. She likes the littlest one the best (less intimidating for her) but the little one actually was getting quite snippy around her and actually lunged at her once when they were playing in the living room. My dog (great dane/boxer) just comes up and guards while the rhodesian/pit mix was trying to lick her and everyone else to death. The littlest one was the one I was watching the closest around the littlest kid.


Another major problem with toy dogs is that the owners don't see them as dogs and don't treat them as such. They're surrogate children, dolls, or even fashion accessories, but not dogs. Our society tends to equate "little" with "harmless," so often people who keep little dogs assume that they don't have the same pack needs as larger breeds.
 
2012-11-29 12:03:54 PM

SkunkWerks: Kveld: There are more pitbull bites because....there are more pitbulls!

I seem to recall similar high rates of dog bites among specific breeds. Breeds that happened to be the "fad breed" of the moment. You mean the statistical likelihood of a given breed biting someone is influenced by how many of them are out there?

[t3.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Also there's a green-shift in my monitor forming a square around your posts now for some reason. Not sure that's even possible on an LCD monitor...


Except the problem isn't the number of bites. It's the amount of damage caused by the bites.
 
2012-11-29 12:05:49 PM

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 453x285] 

[www.viciousnews.com image 468x294]
[ksaz.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]
[www.morningjournal.com image 850x632]
[www.tampabay.com image 450x300]
[iwidk.com image 468x319]


FARKERS TOLD ME THEY ARE SAFE DOGS
 
2012-11-29 12:11:27 PM

WhippingBoy: Except the problem isn't the number of bites. It's the amount of damage caused by the bites.


The problem is the number of bites when people keep insisting that the breed is more prone to biting when (perhaps) what they really mean is:

An anklebiter getting it's jaws around your ankle is considerably less of a threat to your life than a dog scoring the same hold on you that's five times it's size.

Because the latter part I get. The former? A dog is a dog is a dog. Poorly handled, they tend to do things you don't want them doing- and that's any breed. Have a larger dog? Then it's "largely" important that you take "larger" care with it's training.
 
2012-11-29 12:25:58 PM

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 453x285] 

[www.viciousnews.com image 468x294]
[ksaz.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]
[www.morningjournal.com image 850x632]
[www.tampabay.com image 450x300]
[iwidk.com image 468x319]


Their unrelated misfortune was used by the same person to make an emotional argument rather than a factual one?

/We get it, you hate dogs.
 
2012-11-29 12:47:09 PM

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 453x285] 

[www.viciousnews.com image 468x294]
[ksaz.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]
[www.morningjournal.com image 850x632]
[www.tampabay.com image 450x300]
[iwidk.com image 468x319]


parakeet enthusiasts?
 
2012-11-29 12:48:21 PM

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: FishyFred: bob_ross: Makes white trash and thugs so easy to identify, good for them!

Oh shush. Pit bulls are perfectly normal pets.

Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home.

First off, there's no such breed as "pit bull" It's one of several breeds of bull dog. Second, the special training is there because most "pit bulls" are bought by small dicked farktards like Michael Vick who treat them horrifically and train them to be mean. When a person is abused for years and then lashes out, they're also sent to a shelter with specialty staff. Does that mean all people are inherently as violent as the outliers?


I said, "shelter pits." I didn't generalize to every specimen of the pit bull types. You agree with me that shelter pits are likely to be dangerous. I am skeptical of claims that short-term training can eradicate lifelong conditioning.

Also, dogs are not humans.
 
2012-11-29 12:50:52 PM

wildcardjack:

My apartment complex is full of pit bull owners. And the only complaint I have about the upstairs pit bull is that it walks heavy.


cdn04.cdnwp.thefrisky.com
 
2012-11-29 12:52:53 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I am skeptical of claims that short-term training can eradicate lifelong conditioning.

Also, dogs are not humans.


Well-put.

That said, you can't know for sure if you don't try it. Nor would I say I'm certain that every "shelter pit" was subjected to lifelong conditioning to predispose them to aggression- or even it's extent if I were certain.

Typically a good shelter will give you some notion of the animal's history. This is important and you should always ask for it when considering an adoption- no matter the breed.
 
2012-11-29 12:57:24 PM

SkunkWerks: BarkingUnicorn: I am skeptical of claims that short-term training can eradicate lifelong conditioning.

Also, dogs are not humans.

Well-put.

That said, you can't know for sure if you don't try it. Nor would I say I'm certain that every "shelter pit" was subjected to lifelong conditioning to predispose them to aggression- or even it's extent if I were certain.

Typically a good shelter will give you some notion of the animal's history. This is important and you should always ask for it when considering an adoption- no matter the breed.


Also: folks who shelter animals- in most cases- love animals.

They really wouldn't benefit -personally or professionally- if they foisted a dog off on you that they didn't feel was safe. This would generally only result in one of two things: return to the shelter, or euthanization.

Not suggesting that their word is infallible, or should be trusted without skepticism, but really if you think about it a moment, I'm fairly sure we can agree that a person like that isn't deliberately and sadistically trying to inject tragedy into your home, no bring tragedy on the animals that they've often gone great lengths to care for themselves.
 
2012-11-29 12:59:42 PM

BigBooper: I'll admit that one of the problems is those people who try to rehabilitate a pit bull that has been aggressive and unpredictable. These are the people who don't believe that any animal should ever be put down. Unfortunately, once a pit bull has shown that it's aggressive, the only safe thing to do is put it down. I've seen dogs that went years between bites, that lost it out of the blue and bit someone or another pet. These are powerful and potentially dangerous animals. If they show signs of being aggressive or unpredictable, they can rarely be rehabilitated.


This. If you want a safe pit bull, rear it from a puppy.
 
2012-11-29 01:00:10 PM

way south: unrelated misfortune


lol

3-Year-Old Girl Left With Horrific Scars After She Was Attacked By A Pit-Bull
http://iwidk.com/2012/07/12/3-year-old-girl-left-with-horrific-scars- a fter-she-was-attacked-by-a-pit-bull/

Pit bull attacks girl in her Santa Rosa yard / Third mauling in Bay Area in a month amid calls to crack down on the breed
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Pit-bull-attacks-girl-in-her-Sa n ta-Rosa-yard-2626307.php

Darwin Attacks..Pit Bulls Killing and Mauling their Owners

www.dogbite-expert.com/statistics.htm 

/Family bread and raised beagles
//Try again 
//Sorry but FARK didnt care for a few of the links
 
2012-11-29 01:02:56 PM

GrymRpr: way south: unrelated misfortune

lol



GrymRor loled at their unrelated misfortune. They have that in common as well.
 
2012-11-29 01:05:16 PM

apelk: BarkingUnicorn: Right. That's why these shelter pits need special training to make them "more adoptable." Meaning they won't tear your face off until you get them home

The "special training" isn't to make them not aggressive. Most shelter dogs are adoptable but don't have any training. What you adopt is what you get. In the case of these pit bulls, when potential adopters interact with them and see that they're already trained to sit, come, not jump on you, listen to you, are housetrained, etc., who wouldn't want to adopt em? It's just to give them an edge over other dogs.


So it's just endearing tricks designed to make you ignore their propensity to rip your face off. Gotcha.
 
2012-11-29 01:08:33 PM

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 453x285] 

[www.viciousnews.com image 468x294]
[ksaz.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]
[www.morningjournal.com image 850x632]
[www.tampabay.com image 450x300]
[iwidk.com image 468x319]


Several of them are against Fark's posting policies?
 
2012-11-29 01:12:29 PM
img.photobucket.com

Run for your life!!!!
 
2012-11-29 01:16:09 PM

Grammatik Polizei: Our rescue pit is pretty much a coward - though if some were to come at me or my girlfriend swinging, the dog would go apeshiat. Sweet dog though pain seems to make them stronger when raging. It can make for a jeckyll and hyde scenario if not completely under control.


Cowards are dangerous because they perceive threats where none exist.
 
2012-11-29 01:22:41 PM

Cythraul: GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

Several of them are against Fark's posting policies?


What ones?
http://www.fark.com/farq/posting/
If you refer to Graphic image content there is not one image that falls under that.

And those were some of the tamest ones
GIS Pit+Bull+Attack and take a peek at those images

;)

Youtube Search: Pit Bull Attack
 
2012-11-29 01:26:20 PM

GrymRpr: Cythraul: GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

Several of them are against Fark's posting policies?

What ones?
http://www.fark.com/farq/posting/
If you refer to Graphic image content there is not one image that falls under that.

And those were some of the tamest ones
GIS Pit+Bull+Attack and take a peek at those images

;)

Youtube Search: Pit Bull Attack


My mom had her eye clawed by a housecat when she was a kid. Almost lost her vision in that eye and had to wear a patch for a couple weeks. Why are tabbies still legal? Based on anecdotal evidence, they are not to be trusted.
 
2012-11-29 01:36:40 PM

GrymRpr: Cythraul: GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

Several of them are against Fark's posting policies?

What ones?
http://www.fark.com/farq/posting/
If you refer to Graphic image content there is not one image that falls under that.

And those were some of the tamest ones
GIS Pit+Bull+Attack and take a peek at those images

;)

Youtube Search: Pit Bull Attack

Graphic image content: Images that would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable. This includes but is not limited to: cadavers, autopsies, surgeries, vomiting, severed limbs, alarming deformities, dead animals, extreme body modifications, torture, and bodily functions are not to be posted in the threads. Images that depict graphic content will be deleted. Images containing child pornography will be reported to the appropriate local and Federal law enforcement agencies. The use of images depicting well-known tragedies such as 9/11 is not forbidden - but is generally frowned upon. Images which depict people actually dying (falling to their death, being killed in various ways - e.g. shot, maimed/tortured, etc.) should never be posted or linked to. The same holds true for such images involving animals.

 

I think it's pretty obvious that several of those photos fall under such a description.
 
2012-11-29 01:37:40 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 01:37:50 PM

Carn: Why are tabbies still legal?


Because people are infinitely stupid.
 
2012-11-29 01:42:48 PM

FarkinHostile: [img.photobucket.com image 800x600]

Run for your life!!!!


Did the lil rascal find his way into someone's dresser drawer?
 
2012-11-29 01:43:03 PM
What surgeries
what alarming deformities
maimed/tortured?

All those shots are of people in various stages of recovery.
Again: Those were tame.
No huge open wounds,faces ripped off ect,ect

As you seem to be the only one complaining, Please feel free to use ignore

;)
 
2012-11-29 02:04:24 PM

GrymRpr: As you seem to be the only one complaining


You're too much of an incorrigible scamp for me to complain.

*pinches cheek*
 
2012-11-29 02:06:25 PM

GrymRpr: What surgeries
what alarming deformities
maimed/tortured?

All those shots are of people in various stages of recovery.
Again: Those were tame.
No huge open wounds,faces ripped off ect,ect

As you seem to be the only one complaining, Please feel free to use ignore

;)


I'm just pointing out that they may violate Fark rules. I'd be surprised if they last it through the night. But I'm not going to report them. Far be it from me to get in the way of your anecdotal, emotional plea argument.
 
2012-11-29 02:12:47 PM
Gotta love the human ability to assume that because a few individuals of a species/breed does something, then the entire species/breed/phylum is that way and deserves immediate and total annihilation. Of course, human stupidity IS the second-most abundant element in the universe.
 
2012-11-29 02:16:13 PM

BarkingUnicorn: cdn04.cdnwp.thefrisky.com

THAT'S not a dog! That's a seal!

Nogale: Another major problem with toy dogs is that the owners don't see them as dogs and don't treat them as such. They're surrogate children, dolls, or even fashion accessories, but not dogs. Our society tends to equate "little" with "harmless," so often people who keep little dogs assume that they don't have the same pack needs as larger breeds.


Small dogs also tend to be on the defensive and I don't really blame them. People think it's just okay to walk up to a little dog and fawn all over it and touch it when the owner never gave permission or the dog's growls go unheeded. I went to a dog park with my neighbor and her two mini dachshunds. No less than three times other people, people who are dog owners and should have known better, would come up to her dogs and just pick them up to cuddle or scratch their tummies. Lucky that one of them was an attention whore and loved it but his sister was beginning to get agitated and freaked out. She had to be leashed because if one more person picked her up she probably would have bitten them in the face.
 
2012-11-29 02:22:17 PM
Per the comment that German Shepards were the deadliest breed that one time in the 80s my sister had a chunk of her face chewed off by one when she was a kid. What? You mean those smart as hell loyal dogs that make fantastic military/police dogs? Say it aint so! While visiting family on their farm she went with a cousin to go feed the dog and my then 7 year old sister I guess was fiddling with the dog bowl a little too much so the dog attacked. Ripped off part of her nose, cheek and lip. As she and our dad were en route to the hospital her uncle took a rifle out to the dog run and put him down. Despite that she still grew up loving dogs, even the bully/strong breeds, and even took over the obedience training for the family dog they got the following year.
 
2012-11-29 02:29:52 PM

Cythraul: I'm just pointing out that they may violate Fark rules.


My, you flip-flop
"Several of them are against Fark's posting policies?"

" that they may violate Fark rules"


Do a GIS yourself and take a look...
Tho.. if you just ate ya might not want to.
 
2012-11-29 02:39:29 PM
The breed is not the problem, it's the owner's mentality that's the issue. Most pit-bull owners are aggressive, and it shows in the dog. My folks are dog sitting a pit-bull right now, and I've seen hamsters more fierce than this one. If trained correctly, they're not more violent than a beagle.
 
2012-11-29 03:00:39 PM

JasonGriffee: The breed is not the problem, it's the owner's mentality that's the issue. Most pit-bull owners are aggressive, and it shows in the dog. My folks are dog sitting a pit-bull right now, and I've seen hamsters more fierce than this one. If trained correctly, they're not more violent than a beagle.


All the beagles I know are involved in air-to-air combat with the Red Baron. That's pretty violent.
 
2012-11-29 03:03:57 PM

GrymRpr: Cythraul: I'm just pointing out that they may violate Fark rules.

My, you flip-flop
"Several of them are against Fark's posting policies?"

" that they may violate Fark rules"

Do a GIS yourself and take a look...
Tho.. if you just ate ya might not want to.


I call Stileproject to the stand, your honor.
 
2012-11-29 03:20:40 PM

BigBooper: They are large, powerful, and potentially dangerous when mistreated. And yes all dogs are dangerous when mistreated. But it has to be recognized that their size and strength make them more dangerous than other breeds.


I don't understand what you mean by this.

Pit bulls aren't particularly large, strong, or fast dogs. Pit bulls generally only weigh about 40 or 50 pounds, they can't run very fast or jump very high, and they're no stronger than any other dog of their size. I can't think of anything about their size or strength that would make a pit bull more fearsome than any other mid-size dog.

Aesthetically, pit bulls are bred to have bigger square heads and shorter legs than other dog breeds of the same weight. And that breeding gives them a more compact, stocky appearance that some people enjoy. But there's nothing functional about the form; they're not bred like greyhounds or whippets for function first and form second. The pit bull look is like putting a Type R sticker on a Honda Civic. The big head and short legs certainly don't make their jaws more powerful or their make them any stronger.
 
2012-11-29 03:45:56 PM

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I lived through the 80's & 90's & i dont remember anybody harping about dobies or german shepherds... but i do remember that even back then pitts were seen as a problem breed.
 
2012-11-29 03:56:38 PM

Cythraul: GrymRpr: What surgeries
what alarming deformities
maimed/tortured?

All those shots are of people in various stages of recovery.
Again: Those were tame.
No huge open wounds,faces ripped off ect,ect

As you seem to be the only one complaining, Please feel free to use ignore

;)

I'm just pointing out that they may violate Fark rules. I'd be surprised if they last it through the night. But I'm not going to report them. Far be it from me to get in the way of your anecdotal, emotional plea argument.


The very first line of the rule says that it has to be something that "most people" would find objectionable. You're alone so far.
 
2012-11-29 04:08:26 PM

chewd: I lived through the 80's & 90's & i dont remember anybody harping about dobies or german shepherds... but i do remember that even back then pitts were seen as a problem breed.


My grandfather had wanted a GS almost his whole life but I remember my aunt saying that if they ever did get one she wouldn't bring her daughter over. Mind you they had had dogs of various sizes and breeds. When I was a kid they had a Shiztu and a big Akita mutt. My aunt has relaxed since then, likely because she actually got to know a few since then. And lucky for my grandfather, he came home from visiting my mom for a week and found an abandoned, starving, sun baked German Shepard hanging out on his patio and not really looking ready to leave. In fact that dog's been living in their sun room for the last year and a half and has put on over 50 lbs and has all the fresh cold water he could drink.
 
2012-11-29 08:16:53 PM

TexasPeace: Another pit bull thread where people deny statistical reality, offer anecdotal evidence to refute probability, and generally minimize the proven risks of an erratic breed.


OK, what about that statistical report from a few years back where they saw other dog breeds take up the slack in areas where pitbulls and rottweilers were banned? The shiatty owners apparently just moved on to the next available breed to neglect & abuse into monsters.

Uh, someone with a better connection please find a citation ;)
 
2012-11-29 08:36:51 PM
i've done pet adoption events and most of the dogs we get are from not no-kill shelters. We get some turned in by folks who move or cant care for them, but mostly from shelters. I can tell you without question that dogs are like people. Many are sweet, some don't get along with their fellow dogs, some don't like cats, some don't like kids, some will get defensive if you approach their food and some are just plain vicious. Some of them are like this because of bad experiences, and some were just born that way.

Just like it's stupid to say all blacks are this or all mexicans are that, you cant say X breed is vicious. Any dog can be vicious and aggresive, even the toy dogs. you just rarely hear about it when a poodle sends someone to the e/r as opposed to when a pit bull does it, in which case you absolutely WILL hear about it

//owned a pit bull terrier mix (which is what most pits are)
//hyper, dumb and friendly
 
2012-11-29 09:26:18 PM
Someday I will live where I can have a pit bull; he will be well raised, will not attack the members of my family...

And I will name him Steak.
 
2012-11-29 09:34:13 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Cythraul: GrymRpr: What surgeries
what alarming deformities
maimed/tortured?

All those shots are of people in various stages of recovery.
Again: Those were tame.
No huge open wounds,faces ripped off ect,ect

As you seem to be the only one complaining, Please feel free to use ignore

;)

I'm just pointing out that they may violate Fark rules. I'd be surprised if they last it through the night. But I'm not going to report them. Far be it from me to get in the way of your anecdotal, emotional plea argument.

The very first line of the rule says that it has to be something that "most people" would find objectionable. You're alone so far.


So you're assuming that since no one else has posted anything negative about the images that no one else has a problem with them? Infallible logic!
 
2012-11-29 10:58:56 PM

Leopold Stotch: way south: fyrewede: DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks

I think the solution is a nation wide campaign to rename these animals.
If people called them "AmericanFREEDOM Terriers" (or something similarly mundane) then My money says the desire for assault dogs, and the blame that goes with it, would shift to another breed.


You're part of the problem, and I say that as someone who leans very far to the left.
 
2012-11-30 12:07:27 AM

GrymRpr: I wonder what all these folks have in common:

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From 1979 through 1998 there were only 66 fatal (pure breed) pit bull attacks. That is it. 66. Sure, pit bulls are "the most dangerous" breed because they caused the highest number of fatalities during that time period, but at an average of 3.3 per year, "most" really does not add up to all that much. Bicycles and swimming pools are more dangerous than pit bulls, be it fatalities or accidents! Also, while pit bulls account for greatest number of attacks, they do not account for most of them (66 out of 238). And, 1993-1998 rottweilers caused more deaths, twice as many in fact.

Yeah, it is tragic that those people pictured were attacked by pit bulls, but more people were attacked by other breeds.
 
2012-11-30 10:04:11 AM
Coworker has a pit mix thing. It's disconcerting when a dogs head is as big as that but a few scratches behind the ear and I had a new best friend
 
2012-11-30 12:16:25 PM

way south: /note that when the military or police want an attack dog, they get German shepherds and dobermans.


THIS.

It's almost as if the professional dog handlers -- people whose lives depend on their animals -- know something that the pit bull fanboys don't.
 
2012-11-30 12:49:02 PM

clyph: way south: /note that when the military or police want an attack dog, they get German shepherds and dobermans.

THIS.

It's almost as if the professional dog handlers -- people whose lives depend on their animals -- know something that the pit bull fanboys don't.


That Dobermans are nearly as demonized as Pit Bulls? Speaking as someone who was bit by one once...
 
2012-12-01 03:39:09 AM

CthulhuCalling: JasonGriffee: The breed is not the problem, it's the owner's mentality that's the issue. Most pit-bull owners are aggressive, and it shows in the dog. My folks are dog sitting a pit-bull right now, and I've seen hamsters more fierce than this one. If trained correctly, they're not more violent than a beagle.

All the beagles I know are involved in air-to-air combat with the Red Baron. That's pretty violent.


Your missing my point. It's not the breed that's the issue, it's who's training them.
 
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