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(The Age (Melbourne))   Step aside, bath salts: here comes White Bull   (theage.com.au) divider line 106
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2012-11-29 12:26:16 AM
Durrr "White" come on... Of course it's better.
 
2012-11-29 12:33:23 AM
Does it give you the face munchies?
 
2012-11-29 01:17:01 AM
It gives you wings! Or, more accurately, it motivates you to break into the zoo and rape the condor.
 
2012-11-29 02:59:59 AM
Man, if a cuckold couple goes to the adult store and asks for white bull, they are gonna be so disappointed.
 
2012-11-29 03:02:37 AM
The designer drugs spook me.

I'll stick with good old alcohol. Easily obtained and I know how to dose it.
 
2012-11-29 03:19:03 AM
I'd try it. I live in a small town and entertainment is hard to come by.
 
2012-11-29 03:39:15 AM
Woohoo! Legalized Cocaine! I'm ready!

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2012-11-29 06:13:15 AM

L.D. Ablo: The designer drugs spook me.

I'll stick with good old alcohol. Easily obtained and I know how to dose it.


Looks like I get to use this one again.

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2012-11-29 06:16:28 AM
This is really sad, because people are being used as experimental animals on substances we know fark-all about.

But it brings in cash to failing adult novelty stores, so thats ok.
 
2012-11-29 06:19:59 AM
"What's in it? He didn't know."

Well, I'm sold.
Let me just pour some of this mystery agent into my skull and wait for the magic to happen!

/Contraband peddlers must be some of the best salesmen out there...
/That or users are really, really, stupid.
 
2012-11-29 06:20:36 AM
White Bull is an apparently legal substitute for cocaine, which retails illegally for $350 a gram


Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?
 
2012-11-29 06:24:02 AM

styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?


Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....
 
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2012-11-29 06:28:02 AM
Even synthetic drugs that have been around for years have pages long disclaimers of " May contain Death", can't say I'm too thrilled about mystery serums. If this is anything like what K2 is to Marijuana, then the outcome of use is rather unpredictable.

/rather take something to chill out
//looked into Modafinil to help with working the graveyard shift, but the side effects scared me off.
 
2012-11-29 06:28:52 AM

Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....


its Oz prices, look at the link in the article

/theres an article?
 
2012-11-29 06:32:35 AM

Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....


I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.
 
2012-11-29 06:32:42 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It gives you wings! Or, more accurately, it motivates you to break into the zoo and rape the condor.


I chortled right loudly there sir. Must say I gave the old bird quite a start. And by old bird I mean condor, and by start I mean intercourse. Consensual, mind you. Many people think condors say no, but they say more than you'd think. You just have to learn how to read their drug-addled eyes.

/yes, I drug my condors first
//and yes, I do actually mean condors!
 
2012-11-29 06:34:48 AM

way south: "What's in it? He didn't know."

Well, I'm sold.
Let me just pour some of this mystery agent into my skull and wait for the magic to happen!

/Contraband peddlers must be some of the best salesmen out there...
/That or users are really, really, stupid.


When considering between those two options, I'd say the answer is "Yes."
 
2012-11-29 06:35:59 AM
Fiona Patten, of the Eros Foundation, which has assumed the role of being the representative body for the legal high industry, hadn't heard of White Bull.


Well then... what an excellent representative Fiona Patten is for the legal high industry.
 
2012-11-29 06:40:23 AM
As someone who fails to understand the appeal of illegal highs, legal ones are similarly baffling to me.

My brain chemistry is unbalanced enough on it's own without introducing any foreign substances into the mix- legal or not.
 
2012-11-29 06:41:29 AM

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Don't tell people you have benzos; you'll get robbed at gunpoint.
 
2012-11-29 06:42:46 AM

elffster: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

its Oz prices, look at the link in the article

/theres an article?


The Aussie dollar is worth a little more than the US dollar, but it's an island country with a relatively low population a long way from production centres. So the chances of seizing narcotics at the border are significant. Supply is significantly restrained. Heroin and MDMA from Asia are more common, as are drugs produced in the country like methamphetamine (from precursors smuggled from China) and cannabis.
 
2012-11-29 06:43:18 AM
When you make certain substances that people want illegal, they find a way to either get it or find a substitute. This is human nature. There is no way legal systems can win and all that will end up happening if they do not adapt is that some substance will be invented that is once again much worse than the original.
 
2012-11-29 06:44:29 AM

styckx: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.


I did some Google-Fu, and found out that "White Bull" was the nephew of Sitting Bull, and is also the name of a work of fiction by Voltaire.

Of course, none of that is helpful. But it is interesting.

/To me, anyway.
 
2012-11-29 06:46:02 AM
"White Bull is part of a $200-million-a-year catalogue of legal highs that adult stores are marketing as an offset for the drop in DVD sales because of the prevalence of online porn."

Saw that coming... well, bad turn of phrase but yeah....
 
2012-11-29 06:47:24 AM
Once upon a time there was a little white bull
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little white bull,,
 
2012-11-29 06:49:11 AM

Cybernetic: styckx: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.

I did some Google-Fu, and found out that "White Bull" was the nephew of Sitting Bull, and is also the name of a work of fiction by Voltaire.

Of course, none of that is helpful. But it is interesting.

/To me, anyway.


A white bull was what Aphrodite induced the queen of Minos to have sex with and subsequently conceive the Minotaur.
 
2012-11-29 06:50:31 AM

SkunkWerks: As someone who fails to understand the appeal of illegal highs, legal ones are similarly baffling to me.

My brain chemistry is unbalanced enough on it's own without introducing any foreign substances into the mix- legal or not.


What's funny is that most people who do or have done illegal drugs stay away/would stay away from these fly by night legal versions. With the illegal shiat you know what you're getting yourself into, there is a history of side effects, dosage, purity and what it's cut with etc..

This legal shiat has none of that and is more geared and advertised to retards in high school who can't find a reputable dealer of the illegal shiat.
 
2012-11-29 06:52:01 AM

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I understand the ASA, Nitro, and o2, but why are you giving them benzos? If they aren't seizing, they aren't getting benzos from me (of course, this was back in the dark ages).
 
2012-11-29 06:53:17 AM
ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?
 
2012-11-29 06:56:04 AM

styckx: White Bull is an apparently legal substitute for cocaine, which retails illegally for $350 a gram


Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?


Isn't coke like $50 a gram?
 
2012-11-29 06:57:16 AM

CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?


Members of motorcycle gangs, a big component of Australian organised crime
 
2012-11-29 06:57:16 AM

CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?


Lance Armstrong types
 
2012-11-29 07:00:07 AM
White Bull is part of a $200-million-a-year catalogue of legal highs that adult stores are marketing as an offset for the drop in DVD sales because of the prevalence of online porn.

Saw that coming....

/poor turn of phrase but yeah
 
2012-11-29 07:02:24 AM

styckx: With the illegal shiat you know what you're getting yourself into


Because you can always trust someone willing to break the rules in order to make money to do business with you in a completely straightforward way? It's my understanding that illicit drugs are often cut with a great number of substances- both benign and otherwise- to maximize profit. Substances no one bothers to inform the consumer of, naturally, because doing so might endanger said profit.

No I don't really care if the rules are "right" or not. Nor do I care if there are some exceptional people who "skirt the line" between what's against the rules and what's actually amoral as well.

What I'm saying is that your feeling about whether you can trust in a substance sold to you by a long chain of people with already questionable scruples is only that: a feeling. It's not backed by what any empirical thinker would hazard a description of as "reasoning". You're still gambling.

That said, this distinction you're trying to make doesn't really make much sense to me. Both risks are equally daft from my perspective. But then, as I said, I really fail to understand the appeal, and thus the allure to taking such risks in the first place.

Nor am I- in my heart of hearts- a gambler.
 
2012-11-29 07:03:58 AM
Some white bull, bath salts and some of that russian Krokodil would make a helluva saturday night.
 
2012-11-29 07:05:36 AM

L.D. Ablo: The designer drugs spook me.

I'll stick with good old alcohol. Easily obtained and I know how to dose it.


Yeah, this. I understand my booze and my booze understands me.
 
2012-11-29 07:12:28 AM
It's called White Bull because it's actually a bull's semen in powdered form.
 
2012-11-29 07:16:06 AM
Fark everything but weed.
 
2012-11-29 07:26:28 AM

SkunkWerks: styckx: With the illegal shiat you know what you're getting yourself into

Because you can always trust someone willing to break the rules in order to make money to do business with you in a completely straightforward way? It's my understanding that illicit drugs are often cut with a great number of substances- both benign and otherwise- to maximize profit. Substances no one bothers to inform the consumer of, naturally, because doing so might endanger said profit.

No I don't really care if the rules are "right" or not. Nor do I care if there are some exceptional people who "skirt the line" between what's against the rules and what's actually amoral as well.

What I'm saying is that your feeling about whether you can trust in a substance sold to you by a long chain of people with already questionable scruples is only that: a feeling. It's not backed by what any empirical thinker would hazard a description of as "reasoning". You're still gambling.

That said, this distinction you're trying to make doesn't really make much sense to me. Both risks are equally daft from my perspective. But then, as I said, I really fail to understand the appeal, and thus the allure to taking such risks in the first place.

Nor am I- in my heart of hearts- a gambler.


It's less of a gamble than you make it out to be. For the most part, end users don't buy substances from strangers; the tendency is to buy whatever your substance of choice is from your friends, people you already know, and then when you get into "the scene" you buy it from their connection. Your model of trust holds if you're talking about a street purchase from a homeless guy or at a bus stop, but even those highly mobile guys want to do continuing business with you, and a skeeved-out customer is not a return customer.
 
2012-11-29 07:40:03 AM
Looks like I picked the right week to quit sniffing glue!
 
2012-11-29 07:45:28 AM
This is just stupid--- the legal stuff only benefits the SELLERS- not the users, as their risk is reduced. The buyer's risk is greatly increased, as each user becomes a test bunny.

Druggies: stick with what is safe and known. Buy the illegal stuff. You know what you are getting and what to expect. The risk of running afoul of the law is much better than the risk of seriously screwing up your head or body. I mean that kiddos. Stay safe out there--- and stick to illegal drugs--- the safe drugs.
 
2012-11-29 07:45:48 AM
It's not legal. The feds have catch-all phrasing that makes it illegal to use any substance for the purpose of getting high. You can't get out in front of the law by abusing a substance just because legislators haven't yet gotten around to specifically addressing that molecule.
 
2012-11-29 07:48:31 AM

Cybernetic: Don't tell people you have benzos; you'll get robbed at gunpoint.


I just tell them that vecuronium is the best Benzo out there. :)
 
2012-11-29 07:50:39 AM

Bender The Offender: I understand the ASA, Nitro, and o2, but why are you giving them benzos? If they aren't seizing, they aren't getting benzos from me (of course, this was back in the dark ages).


Cocaine-induced Acute Coronary Syndrome is because of coronary vasospasm, not coronary blockage, from the sympathetic dumping of epinepherine and norepi. If you treat the associated hypertension with Alpha/Beta blockers like Labetalol, or with calcium channel blockers like nicardine or cardizem, you can actually make the ischemia worse and cause an actual infarction.

You give sedation to blunt the sympathetic effects, and to minimize the patient's activity.
 
2012-11-29 07:55:34 AM

highwayrun: SkunkWerks: styckx: With the illegal shiat you know what you're getting yourself into

Because you can always trust someone willing to break the rules in order to make money to do business with you in a completely straightforward way? It's my understanding that illicit drugs are often cut with a great number of substances- both benign and otherwise- to maximize profit. Substances no one bothers to inform the consumer of, naturally, because doing so might endanger said profit.

No I don't really care if the rules are "right" or not. Nor do I care if there are some exceptional people who "skirt the line" between what's against the rules and what's actually amoral as well.

What I'm saying is that your feeling about whether you can trust in a substance sold to you by a long chain of people with already questionable scruples is only that: a feeling. It's not backed by what any empirical thinker would hazard a description of as "reasoning". You're still gambling.

That said, this distinction you're trying to make doesn't really make much sense to me. Both risks are equally daft from my perspective. But then, as I said, I really fail to understand the appeal, and thus the allure to taking such risks in the first place.

Nor am I- in my heart of hearts- a gambler.

It's less of a gamble than you make it out to be. For the most part, end users don't buy substances from strangers; the tendency is to buy whatever your substance of choice is from your friends, people you already know, and then when you get into "the scene" you buy it from their connection. Your model of trust holds if you're talking about a street purchase from a homeless guy or at a bus stop, but even those highly mobile guys want to do continuing business with you, and a skeeved-out customer is not a return customer.


Plus the illegal drugs market is one of the last vestiges of the free market and as such actually self regulates somewhat. If you poison your customers they cease being your customers because there is always another dealer. Dealers know this and .. don't poison their customers.
 
2012-11-29 08:03:15 AM

highwayrun: It's less of a gamble


Putting aside the matter of how you know it's "less", the phrase "less of a gamble" still contains the word "gamble".

highwayrun: For the most part, end users don't buy substances from strangers; the tendency is to buy whatever your substance of choice is from your friends


Most "crimes of passion" are committed by people close to you. Got a corpse with upwards of 80 stab wounds? It was likely a relative, or at the very least a friend. Complete strangers simply don't have the familiarity to hate you that hard.

Had a couple arrested while staying at the neighbor's just one house down some years back. They failed to tell the friends they were boarding with that night that they'd just come from a double murder in Vermont. Shot to death a man and his wife because they'd asked for more marijuana than the victim was able to supply. He said he couldn't and the logical answer to "I can't" is apparently a hail of 9mm bullets.

Not sure how the "friend factor" changes the risk here at all. Aside from brutal mutilation between friends, life's all full of excellent examples of why doing business of any sort (let alone the illicit kind) with friends or family is often a very bad idea. When business goes south, matters invariably get a lot more personal than they would if you were merely 'acquainted'.
 
2012-11-29 08:07:29 AM
350$ a gram for coke? Not in my neck of the woods. Christ, you can get an 8-ball for less than that..

Glad i don't live in australia
 
2012-11-29 08:09:15 AM
My wife for some reason is obsessed with the show 'cops' at the moment, and I swear to god, 60-70% of the arrests in that show relate to illegal drugs or prescription drugs. High speed chases, fighting with the cops, putting everyone at risk, but not because they're high, it's because they don't want to go to jail for doing something to their own bodies.

And now we see another consequence of the war on drugs: people taking random farking chemicals which can be far more dangerous than the drug they're trying to emulate, all because they don't want to go to jail. Legalising and regulating all drugs is the only way forward, the police absolutely cannot do anything by intervening except make things worse for everyone.
 
2012-11-29 08:10:39 AM

BronyMedic: Bender The Offender: I understand the ASA, Nitro, and o2, but why are you giving them benzos? If they aren't seizing, they aren't getting benzos from me (of course, this was back in the dark ages).

Cocaine-induced Acute Coronary Syndrome is because of coronary vasospasm, not coronary blockage, from the sympathetic dumping of epinepherine and norepi. If you treat the associated hypertension with Alpha/Beta blockers like Labetalol, or with calcium channel blockers like nicardine or cardizem, you can actually make the ischemia worse and cause an actual infarction.

You give sedation to blunt the sympathetic effects, and to minimize the patient's activity.


Interesting. I haven't seen a patient in the field sine the early 90's, we treated them like any other AMI, but that was 20 years ago and I'm sure protocols have changed
 
2012-11-29 08:12:20 AM

lewismarktwo: If you poison your customers they cease being your customers because there is always another dealer.


You're assuming that the customer is cognizant enough to notice... or care.

As someone said up-thread:

way south: "What's in it? He didn't know."

Well, I'm sold.
Let me just pour some of this mystery agent into my skull and wait for the magic to happen!



And as the article just said:

"ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram."

and:

White Bull is an apparently legal substitute for cocaine, which retails illegally for $350 a gram. ''The feeling is that of cocaine, speed, ecstasy,'' he said. Meaning it keeps you awake, a bit horny and somehow sets a disco beat rocking in your head. It also makes your heart beat faster, and put on a hot glow that suggests one's thermo-regulation system is out of whack.
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''But it doesn't make you grind your teeth,'' said the merchant.

What's in it? He didn't know.

Fiona Patten, of the Eros Foundation, which has assumed the role of being the representative body for the legal high industry, hadn't heard of White Bull.


And my personal favorite:

She said the market in legal highs was worth $500 million a year

The short version? Despite the seller "not knowing what's in it" (the result of the same structure of middle-men you get in any market situation), people apt to do this kind of thing aren't terribly discriminating, nor do they think very far ahead.

In the odd case you get someone who actually "has a care", there's always a legion of suckers to replace him.
 
2012-11-29 08:16:55 AM

epoc_tnac: My wife for some reason is obsessed with the show 'cops' at the moment, and I swear to god, 60-70% of the arrests in that show relate to illegal drugs or prescription drugs. High speed chases, fighting with the cops, putting everyone at risk, but not because they're high, it's because they don't want to go to jail for doing something to their own bodies.

And now we see another consequence of the war on drugs: people taking random farking chemicals which can be far more dangerous than the drug they're trying to emulate, all because they don't want to go to jail. Legalising and regulating all drugs is the only way forward, the police absolutely cannot do anything by intervening except make things worse for everyone.


Even the police are catching on
 
2012-11-29 08:18:04 AM
Well that article told me... nothing.
 
2012-11-29 08:19:38 AM

Novart: CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?

Lance Armstrong types


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-29 08:25:57 AM

thisispete: CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?

Members of motorcycle gangs, a big component of Australian organised crime


Kind of a cutesy name.
 
2012-11-29 08:28:02 AM

Shyla: Well that article told me... nothing.


It told you there is a drug, called white bull, which is just like cocaine.
...But we know that whatever is in it, it is NOT cocaine.
So its OK!


/Me: I know there are alot of chemicals in this world that are also not cocaine.
/A very many most of them are also not OK for human consumption.
 
2012-11-29 08:31:25 AM

thisispete: Cybernetic: styckx: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.

I did some Google-Fu, and found out that "White Bull" was the nephew of Sitting Bull, and is also the name of a work of fiction by Voltaire.

Of course, none of that is helpful. But it is interesting.

/To me, anyway.

A white bull was what Aphrodite induced the queen of Minos to have sex with and subsequently conceive the Minotaur.


Close. Aphrodite caused her to lust after the bull. Daedalus built the fake cow contraption that allowed her to boink it.

As for Leta and the swan, I got nothing.

/gimme that old time religion, where gods promoted bestiality...
 
2012-11-29 08:32:58 AM

CarnySaur: thisispete: CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?

Members of motorcycle gangs, a big component of Australian organised crime

Kind of a cutesy name.


Compared to the everything else about Australia that will farking kill you, a bunch of tattooed guys on motorcycles seem downright adorable.
 
2012-11-29 08:58:01 AM

SkunkWerks: lewismarktwo: If you poison your customers they cease being your customers because there is always another dealer.

You're assuming that the customer is cognizant enough to notice... or care.

As someone said up-thread:

way south: "What's in it? He didn't know."

Well, I'm sold.
Let me just pour some of this mystery agent into my skull and wait for the magic to happen!


And as the article just said:

"ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram."

and:

White Bull is an apparently legal substitute for cocaine, which retails illegally for $350 a gram. ''The feeling is that of cocaine, speed, ecstasy,'' he said. Meaning it keeps you awake, a bit horny and somehow sets a disco beat rocking in your head. It also makes your heart beat faster, and put on a hot glow that suggests one's thermo-regulation system is out of whack.
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''But it doesn't make you grind your teeth,'' said the merchant.

What's in it? He didn't know.

Fiona Patten, of the Eros Foundation, which has assumed the role of being the representative body for the legal high industry, hadn't heard of White Bull.

And my personal favorite:

She said the market in legal highs was worth $500 million a year

The short version? Despite the seller "not knowing what's in it" (the result of the same structure of middle-men you get in any market situation), people apt to do this kind of thing aren't terribly discriminating, nor do they think very far ahead.

In the odd case you get someone who actually "has a care", there's always a legion of suckers to replace him.


The thing about dealers cutting drugs, I think really is by and large a myth. As was pointed out upthread, drugs are free market, and while not perfect, it does a pretty good job of self regulating.

When I buy mushrooms, I know what's in them. Same for weed. Coke? Not really my thing anymore, but yeah it's pretty pure if you go to reputable dealers. I hear the same about MDA too, sorry dont know any meth-heads though.

Seriously, don't get all your info on the drug trade from movies starring rappers or from the Lifetime movie of the week.
 
2012-11-29 09:07:14 AM

Shadowknight: way south: "What's in it? He didn't know."

Well, I'm sold.
Let me just pour some of this mystery agent into my skull and wait for the magic to happen!

/Contraband peddlers must be some of the best salesmen out there...
/That or users are really, really, stupid.

When considering between those two options, I'd say the answer is "Yes."


All my boomer professors/associates said that's the best thing about the 60's: taking random substances given to you by strangers.

/one plus about being a cynical gen X-er: I don't have "condor rape" on my rap sheet.
 
2012-11-29 09:12:47 AM

styckx: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.


Maybe in their currency. The prices in Australia are significantly higher. Also, it is not a custom to tip at bars there.
 
2012-11-29 09:13:21 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It gives you wings! Or, more accurately, it motivates you to break into the zoo and rape the condor.


Great. I'll have to keep an eye out for any condors that appear excessively nervous for now on.
 
2012-11-29 09:16:45 AM

Novart: CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?

Lance Armstrong types


You mean cheaters?

/Where's the chain? Cuz that's off it.
 
2012-11-29 09:17:07 AM
Coke substitutes? Is White Bull owned by Pepsico?
 
2012-11-29 09:17:47 AM

glmorrs1: The thing about dealers cutting drugs, I think really is by and large a myth


I'm hearing a lot of "I thinks" and "I feels" here and a distinct lack of any real empirical reason to discount the dangers posed.

Not that I haven't pointed this out already, but I just feel compelled to remind folks who'd like to debate this matter with me that:

"I feel" =/= "I can be sure beyond the shadow of a doubt"

In fact, the two states of thinking remain separated to a considerable degree.

glmorrs1: As was pointed out upthread, drugs are free market, and while not perfect, it does a pretty good job of self regulating.


www.butterflydesign.com
What the "free market self-regulating" might look like.
 
2012-11-29 09:25:08 AM

elffster: Fark everything but weed.


Shrooms or LSD are pretty fun, a time or two per year...
 
2012-11-29 09:26:03 AM
If you wanna ride...

Don't ride the White Bull.

White Bull

Don't ride the White Bull.

no no no .
 
2012-11-29 09:26:23 AM
White Bull ... IN MY PANTS!



/HA HA!
 
2012-11-29 09:28:21 AM

SkylineRecords: styckx: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.

Maybe in their currency. The prices in Australia are significantly higher. Also, it is not a custom to tip at bars there.


A bit more difficult to import it there. It IS kind of out of the way place.
 
2012-11-29 09:30:41 AM

Another Government Employee: It IS kind of out of the way place.


I think it might also be related to the fact that Australian customs agents do NOT mess around.
 
2012-11-29 09:33:26 AM

SkunkWerks: glmorrs1: The thing about dealers cutting drugs, I think really is by and large a myth

I'm hearing a lot of "I thinks" and "I feels" here and a distinct lack of any real empirical reason to discount the dangers posed.

Not that I haven't pointed this out already, but I just feel compelled to remind folks who'd like to debate this matter with me that:

"I feel" =/= "I can be sure beyond the shadow of a doubt"

In fact, the two states of thinking remain separated to a considerable degree.

glmorrs1: As was pointed out upthread, drugs are free market, and while not perfect, it does a pretty good job of self regulating.

[www.butterflydesign.com image 400x216]
What the "free market self-regulating" might look like.


You know, even if illegal drugs are fairly consistent doesn't mean you have to use them. Is the thought of being poisoned the only thing that keeps you from using?
 
2012-11-29 09:33:29 AM
"The feeling is that of cocaine, speed, ecstasy,'' he said. Meaning it keeps you awake, a bit horny and somehow sets a disco beat rocking in your head."

images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Approves.
 
2012-11-29 09:33:32 AM
FTFA: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram

FTFA: White Bull is an apparently legal substitute for cocaine, which retails illegally for $350 a gram

So are stores selling it at 100 dollars a gram or 350 dollars a gram.? Or is the reporter saying their is a retail price for cocaine. 

A quick google has whitebull at 79.95 a gram.
 
2012-11-29 09:35:45 AM
''The feeling is that of cocaine, speed, ecstasy,'' he said. Meaning it keeps you awake, a bit horny and somehow sets a disco beat rocking in your head. It also makes your heart beat faster, and put on a hot glow that suggests one's thermo-regulation system is out of whack.

If we're lucky an onset of Darwin will make this shiat a lot less attractive. I wonder if it occurred to the guy behind the counter that the "Disco beat" in your head would be a warning sign of a possible stroke. Have an aneurysm? Pop! goes the weasel.
 
2012-11-29 09:36:30 AM

thisispete: CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?

Members of motorcycle gangs, a big component of Australian organised crime


What Australian bikies might look like...

singlemum.com.au

/they don't look so tough to me
 
2012-11-29 09:42:03 AM

glmorrs1: I hear the same about MDA too


I heard MDA makes you act like this:

www.charity.com

/hotlink
 
2012-11-29 09:42:33 AM

styckx: Geeves00: styckx: Cocaine, $350 a gram? LOLWUT?

Right? Where do they come up with these numbers? $60 tops.....

I did some Google-Fu.. Apparentely in Australia is one of the most profitable places to sell coke and $300-$400/gram is legit.


island economy
 
2012-11-29 09:47:19 AM

lewismarktwo: Is the thought of being poisoned the only thing that keeps you from using?


The thought of adding unnecessary complications to an already unstable brain chemistry, as I mentioned earlier. Or, to use the vernacular: quite high enough all on my own steam, thanks.


That said, this isn't really about my own aversion to using (insofar as to admit that the allure of use is somehting I don't really identify with from the get-go). This is about people telling me that they have a trust in people (more than a few of which they don't even have names for, let alone familiarity) that they have no rational reason to trust.

And that they think that "free market" systems are automatically trustworthy in the same way that the term "organic" means whatever food the label is stuck to is completely safe and wholesome in every way and there's no reason to doubt that there's any sort of misrepresentation going on here.

If you say you have a personal feeling of trust for your dealer, then I say great. I get feelings in people, I really do.

If you say you can prove why the illegal market is ever so much safer, and your evidence is a bunch of touchy-feely stuff of this sort, I'm going to have a little giggle about that.

Apples and oranges.


I don't know you, and I don't know how "good" your feelings are, but if they've served you well in the past, then may they serve you as well in the future- really, I don't wish harm on any human being, even of the "I brought it on myself" variety. Just don't mistake "feelings" for solid evidence.
 
2012-11-29 09:53:03 AM
Real cocaine is the best drug. Accept no substitutes.
 
2012-11-29 09:54:42 AM
$350 a gram for the real thing? Damn, coke's expensive in Australia (or else prices have gone way up!)
 
2012-11-29 09:58:21 AM
Anyone actually know what the active ingredient(s) in White Bull is supposed to be? My Google-fu is weak today and I keep finding stories about Native Americans selling coke rather than the information I want...

/For research purposes...
//No, really...
 
2012-11-29 10:02:26 AM

citizenj:
As for Leta and the swan, I got nothing.

/gimme that old time religion, where gods promoted bestiality...


It was legitimate rape.
 
2012-11-29 10:03:37 AM

elffster: This is really sad, because people are being used as experimental animals on substances we know fark-all about.

But it brings in cash to failing adult novelty stores, so thats ok.


I know, right? And that whole industry has been about self-improvement and fulfilling your potential until now. Now it's like they don't care they're creating human wreckage as long as there's a buck in it.

Sad, really.
 
2012-11-29 10:05:43 AM

CarnySaur: ADULT stores are selling a synthetic cocaine called White Bull for $100 a gram. This is twice the price of old-fashioned amphetamines that bikies used to cook....

Bikies?


Aussie for Biker.
 
2012-11-29 10:29:57 AM

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: Some white bull, bath salts and some of that russian Krokodil would make a helluva saturday night.


Sounds like a zombie recipe. Cannibalism, disintegrating limbs, the works.

/Helluva or hellish?
 
2012-11-29 10:32:06 AM
TFA: "The feeling is that of cocaine, speed, ecstasy,'' ..."But it doesn't make you grind your teeth,''

So according to the man selling it (who admits he has no idea what's in it), it has all of the good stuff and none of the bad stuff.
This seems legit.
 
2012-11-29 10:37:27 AM
The most common coke substitute is pepsi.
 
2012-11-29 10:38:40 AM
You guys sound like a bunch of bikies on bennies
 
2012-11-29 10:53:20 AM

elffster: Fark everything but weed.


Unless it's caffeine. Hey, little packets of caffeine citrate. How would those sell for a while? They won't ban it
 
2012-11-29 11:03:45 AM

SkunkWerks: words


The reason the long time illegal drugs are safer is because they have a long history and the long term effects are well known. These legal analogs are not as well known.

Snake oil is fake, illegal drugs are used because they WORK.

/you can have the last word
 
2012-11-29 11:20:24 AM
I'm old, I remember when "synthetic cocaine" (lab made) was giving people Parkinson like symptoms and lefty you that way.
 
2012-11-29 11:34:30 AM

basemetal: I'm old, I remember when "synthetic cocaine" (lab made) was giving people Parkinson like symptoms and lefty you that way.


MPTP.
 
2012-11-29 11:37:57 AM

lewismarktwo: The reason the long time illegal drugs are safer is because they have a long history and the long term effects are well known.


So the thing you know for a real long time can kill you is safer than the thing you've only known for a couple weeks can kill you?

Got it.

Sarcasm aside, I'm pretty sure what you mean to be saying here is that the negative effects of illegal drugs (presumably we limit the scope to those that have been around a while here) are more treatable because they're better documented than the side effects for brand new (presumably legal) drugs. There's probably some truth to that.

But they'd both still be equally dangerous.

A fall is no less of a fall simply because I thought to bring a parachute on fall #2.

lewismarktwo: Snake oil is fake


And also a rampant product of the "free market" of the late 19th century (and early 20th) along with other products/phenomenon that weren't well-understood by potential consumers and so were often purported to do a great many things they may very well not do, do poorly, or cause potentially deadly side effects in addition to doing or not doing those claimed things. Go-go Self-Regulation!

I said the words "free market" in this sentence like five times, that means I'm five times as safe!

lewismarktwo: /you can have the last word


/thanks, but please don't promise me what you can't deliver.
 
2012-11-29 11:47:34 AM
BS detector is going off. I googled white bull and the first hit was a link to this thread. Other than this article have I found any mention that "white bull" acutally exists.
 
2012-11-29 12:23:35 PM

SkunkWerks: As someone who fails to understand the appeal of illegal highs, legal ones are similarly baffling to me.

My brain chemistry is unbalanced enough on it's own without introducing any foreign substances into the mix- legal or not.


You know they have drugs to fix that.
 
2012-11-29 12:28:20 PM

Blowmonkey: SkunkWerks: As someone who fails to understand the appeal of illegal highs, legal ones are similarly baffling to me.

My brain chemistry is unbalanced enough on it's own without introducing any foreign substances into the mix- legal or not.

You know they have drugs to fix that.


I know. It was proposed, my parents decided it wasn't needed. Time proved them wise. I've learned to cope with it on my own in the years to follow.

Which isn't to say that all kids can. Some need the drugs. I see them as a tool- which can be used or abused accordingly.

But if you can manage it without the intermediary, I highly recommend it. You tend to learn a lot about your own brain that you might not otherwise.
 
2012-11-29 12:31:50 PM

lewismarktwo: highwayrun: SkunkWerks: styckx: With the illegal shiat you know what you're getting yourself into

Because you can always trust someone willing to break the rules in order to make money to do business with you in a completely straightforward way? It's my understanding that illicit drugs are often cut with a great number of substances- both benign and otherwise- to maximize profit. Substances no one bothers to inform the consumer of, naturally, because doing so might endanger said profit.

No I don't really care if the rules are "right" or not. Nor do I care if there are some exceptional people who "skirt the line" between what's against the rules and what's actually amoral as well.

What I'm saying is that your feeling about whether you can trust in a substance sold to you by a long chain of people with already questionable scruples is only that: a feeling. It's not backed by what any empirical thinker would hazard a description of as "reasoning". You're still gambling.

That said, this distinction you're trying to make doesn't really make much sense to me. Both risks are equally daft from my perspective. But then, as I said, I really fail to understand the appeal, and thus the allure to taking such risks in the first place.

Nor am I- in my heart of hearts- a gambler.

It's less of a gamble than you make it out to be. For the most part, end users don't buy substances from strangers; the tendency is to buy whatever your substance of choice is from your friends, people you already know, and then when you get into "the scene" you buy it from their connection. Your model of trust holds if you're talking about a street purchase from a homeless guy or at a bus stop, but even those highly mobile guys want to do continuing business with you, and a skeeved-out customer is not a return customer.

Plus the illegal drugs market is one of the last vestiges of the free market and as such actually self regulates somewhat. If you poison your customers they cease being your ...


One reason pharmaceuticals have gotten so popular is because their purity is very constant and they're never that far from the market. A lot easier to get Oxycontin legally than importing heroin illegally. And it's more likely to be what you paid for rather than being cut with baby laxative/cheaper opiates/whatever was on hand and nearby when the dealer decided to make some extra profit. It's somewhat offset by the fact that when people shoot up pills their arteries get clogged with all the dyes/binders/fillers/etc.
 
2012-11-29 01:44:59 PM
I only do organics myself. My father was a pharmaceutical salesman who took far too long to catch, so I am averse to pills/powders, they all dehydrate one it seems. That said, a pure substance is going to have a discrete melting point and typically be able to be formed into large crystals. There are reagent tests, and kids down at the uni with access to all manner of spectrograms. Physical params of these agents are published. The motive in utilizing these indicators isn't so much consumer protection as price-fixing. Lest we forget, 'ethical pharmaceuticals' are killing more people than the street crap, these days, it seems. Acetaminophen seems to be as nasty a cut as most. The government's introduction of ethanol 'denaturants' led to many deaths. . .
 
2012-11-29 01:45:34 PM
Not to mention Ts and Blues.
 
2012-11-29 02:02:33 PM

signaljammer: Lest we forget, 'ethical pharmaceuticals' are killing more people than the street crap


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-11-30 01:48:04 AM
Wha_ you no have google?

http://www.healthiertalk.com/prescription-drugs-more-likely-kill-you- r ecreational-drugs-0112
Link
 
2012-11-30 01:49:25 AM

SkunkWerks: signaljammer: Lest we forget, 'ethical pharmaceuticals' are killing more people than the street crap


Thanks. It always bugs me when people say that.
 
2012-11-30 07:00:39 AM

signaljammer: Wha_ you no have google?


I have the version of Google that gives me lots of different results, not the version that only links me to websites that support my delusional view of the world. Ala:

"About the author
author-pictureDr. Mercola is the founder of the world's most visited natural health web site, www.mercola.com. You can learn the hazardous side effects of OTC Remedies by getting a FREE copy of his latest special report The Dangers of Over the Counter Remedies by going to his Report Page."


Clearly this is a man without an agenda or any reason to, yanno, lie through his teeth to sell something. And he in no way sounds like a lamer version of Andrew Wakefield.
 
2012-11-30 07:09:07 AM
I doubt it's a synthetic derivative of cocaine; those have proven hard to make professionally, much less in a black market lab.
Probably yet another "PV"-style "bath salts" drug that hasn't been specifically made illegal yet, despite subby's tagline for the article.
 
2012-11-30 07:13:57 AM

SkunkWerks: signaljammer: Wha_ you no have google?

I have the version of Google that gives me lots of different results, not the version that only links me to websites that support my delusional view of the world. Ala:

"About the author
author-pictureDr. Mercola is the founder of the world's most visited natural health web site, www.mercola.com. You can learn the hazardous side effects of OTC Remedies by getting a FREE copy of his latest special report The Dangers of Over the Counter Remedies by going to his Report Page."

Clearly this is a man without an agenda or any reason to, yanno, lie through his teeth to sell something. And he in no way sounds like a lamer version of Andrew Wakefield.


"Mercola criticizes many aspects of standard medical practice, particularly vaccination and the use of prescription drugs and surgery to treat diseases. He is a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, as well as several alternative medicine organizations.

Mercola has been the subject of criticism from the business, medical and scientific communities. A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial criticized Mercola's marketing practices as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics." In 2005, 2006, and 2011 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned Mercola and his company to stop making illegal claims regarding his products' ability to detect, prevent and treat disease. The medical watchdog site Quackwatch has criticized Mercola for making "unsubstantiated claims and clash with those of leading medical and public health organizations [and making] many unsubstantiated recommendations for dietary supplements."

from ye old Wiki
 
2012-11-30 07:20:31 AM

basemetal: I'm old, I remember when "synthetic cocaine" (lab made) was giving people Parkinson like symptoms and lefty you that way.


You're thinking of "synthetic opiates", and in this case it was an attempt to make MPPP; an opiate related to Demerol. But the formula was easy to screw up and folks ended up putting out MPTP, which literally burned out the majority of the dopamine receptors out of important parts of your brain. Late 70s, IIRC.
 
2012-11-30 12:39:33 PM

robcypher: "Mercola criticizes many aspects of standard medical practice, particularly vaccination and the use of prescription drugs and surgery to treat diseases. He is a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, as well as several alternative medicine organizations.

Mercola has been the subject of criticism from the business, medical and scientific communities. A 2006 BusinessWeek editorial criticized Mercola's marketing practices as "relying on slick promotion, clever use of information, and scare tactics." In 2005, 2006, and 2011 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned Mercola and his company to stop making illegal claims regarding his products' ability to detect, prevent and treat disease. The medical watchdog site Quackwatch has criticized Mercola for making "unsubstantiated claims and clash with those of leading medical and public health organizations [and making] many unsubstantiated recommendations for dietary supplements."


Yep, that sounds like the kind of guy I'm talking about.

www.maniacworld.com
 
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