Ishkur: Canada is homogenous?
jaytkay: People who expected death panels should get death panels.
Mike Chewbacca: My sister in law just tonight posted on Facebook that she doesn't like the government telling her what to do (which in this case meant buy health insurance). Neither of her adult children have health insurance because it's too expensive and their employers don't offer it. Her grandchildren are on Medicaid. She and my brother were on welfare back when they first got married (she had a kid from a prior relationship--got knocked up at 16). Now, I fully believe in tax-funded safety nets. We have them because life is hard and shiat happens. I don't begrudge her her history of welfare (like the extreme majority of recipients, they got off it as soon as possible), and I don't begrudge her grand kids their Medicaid; it's not their fault their (divorced) parents' employers don't offer insurance. But for her to biatch about the government telling her what to do when her family has directly benefited from it, well, fark her and her hypocrisy.
jaytkay: Arkanaut: for most of human history, the average person in even the most advanced society could not expect to live past fortyIs that correct for people who survive infancy?Seems like history is full of people who lived into there 40s, 50 and 60s.
Bruce Campbell: This just in: predominantly homogeneous first world countries are best equipped for handling the health issues of its citizens and doing so economically. Film at 11
The Man Who Laughs: Well maybe I should have said similar medical standards. I don't know much at all about american spending, but I can tell you for sure I'd rather be treated by an american hospital than a Mexican one.
jaytkay: The Man Who Laughs: the usa or other countries with similar spending levelsThere are no other countries with similar spending levels to the US.We pay TWICE as much per capita as normal countries.
Lawnchair: The countries that beat the US are important.But, the countries that aren't far behind are pretty important too. Mexico, Albania, Libya, Poland, Argentina, etc.These are countries that average 1/4th or less of the US per capita spending on health care. And they live, on average, 1-2 years less than the average American.The model average American works ~7-8 years of his career just to pay for health expenses (when Medicare, etc, are in the picture).We could have Mexican-level care working for 2. The Mexican life expectancy is 2 years shorter than ours. 8-2-2... seems like a 4-year net gain in retirement to me. Oh, and these are prime years (the extended lifespan of Americans generally translates to dotage years). The marginal benefits are small and shrinking.
Lawnchair: We could have Mexican-level care working for 2.
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