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(Jezebel)   Lawyer accuses victim of being a "conniving spider" who "lured" his client and 20 of his friends into gang raping her over a 4 month period because she didn't cry rape until a sex tape of her was circulated. The victim, by the way, is 11 years old   (jezebel.com) divider line 222
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2012-11-28 10:35:16 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: Steve Taylor, defense attorney, is the biggest #$%$%^#% in the whole story which is quite a feat considering the others are grown men who rape eleven year olds. 

Burn 'em all I say.


This guy got it right.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-28 10:35:26 PM

minoridiot: "People don't come with signs telling their age," Taylor said. "How does a young man know? You can't cut off their legs and count the rings like a tree."
 

And lawyers wonder why people hate them.


Most lawyers are nice people.

Also, yes, you can tell someone's age by cutting off their legs. Like trees, human bones also have growth rings that you can count. Although, it's not generally the preferred way to find out.
 
2012-11-28 10:35:38 PM

Donnchadha: This is in some backwards ass third world hell hole nation that allows people to "honor rape", right?

*checks link*

Texas.

Well, it's a backwards ass third world hell hole, at least.


Well the first guy got 99 years, some of the others plead out and got 15 a piece. They all are going to prison with the stigma of being kiddie rapists and Bubba will probably have a great time with them. Yeah Texas totally condones "honor rape" Derp

Honestly though the juveniles involved should have got more than probation. Time in juvie at least.

Also:

"Oh, then it would have totes been the little girl's fault,"


/anyone over the age of 16 who uses the term totes, should also go to prison.
 
2012-11-28 10:36:17 PM

earthworm2.0: Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.


Sadly a lot of the time with these cases, the bastards that raped him or her were not the first. These people know how to spot damaged good and know that their victims believe that they deserve what happens to them and will stay quiet.
 
2012-11-28 10:36:47 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: [i.chzbgr.com image 499x374]


I like your take on our angle better. Rip out their eyes with septic infested claws!
 
2012-11-28 10:37:52 PM

Harry_Seldon: Chariset: How does this man sleep at night?

Even the most despicable clients deserve a vigorous defense.


Define 'vigorous'.
 
2012-11-28 10:38:06 PM
earthworm2.0

Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.

Funny how you're blaming HER parents and not, you know, the TEENAGE RAPIST'S parents.

Is this a new form of victim blaming or are you just stupid?
 
2012-11-28 10:38:53 PM

Anderson's Pooper: I am a defense attorney. One of the things I tell my clients is that I'll do anything I can within the bounds of law to make sure they get a fair trial. But I also let them know that if I can't say it with a straight face I won't say it on the record. This statement doesn't even come close.

Given the video tape, about the best you can do is question his ability to discern her age. Spread the blame with the co-defendants, "They said she was 18." And don't go after her other than making sure the jury knows it was "consentual." The worst thing you can do is victimize her even more.


I'm going to guess by your Fark handle that you have a good sense of humor, are probably a pretty good defense attorney, and you frequently make poor decisions related to your personal life.

Either that, or you're a 15 year-old defense attorney.
 
2012-11-28 10:39:27 PM
www.badassoftheweek.com

"And you all wonder why I try to destroy humanity every time I wake up..."
 
2012-11-28 10:39:27 PM
And humanity does it again. Now where's the story that balances this shiat out? Next in news 18 year old hired as pool boy at the playboy mansion.
 
2012-11-28 10:39:37 PM

earthworm2.0: Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.


1 out of 21 people enjoy distracting parents.
 
2012-11-28 10:39:58 PM
www.getcampbell.com

"Steve Taylor?"


"Yeah, that's me! What can I do for y-"

i153.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-28 10:41:41 PM
At a rally last night, Houston community activist Quanell X suggested investigators are racially biased because only black men and boys have been charged with the rape of the 11-year-old victim, who is Hispanic. "We do not want someone with a malicious racist motive to rid your community of an entire generation of black men," he said.


/.........
fark you..fark you long and hard Quanell, you race card playing douchebag. And how can the investigators be racists, when ALL THE SUSPECTS WERE BLACK? Don't let the facts cloud your race baiting ass.
 
2012-11-28 10:42:39 PM

St_Francis_P: Given a jury consisting entirely of pedophiles, and a passed-out judge, this is a winning strategy.


This is a Phoenix Wright case I'd like to see
 
2012-11-28 10:42:56 PM
Can we just gang-rape the attorney for this scumbag? Dry...no spit either.
 
2012-11-28 10:44:45 PM
Sheesh, did a bunch of you catch Texas in bed with your wife or something? Yes, it's terrible here, especially Austin. Don't move here or we'll rape rape your entire family.

/Opens 40lb rape box
//rape
 
2012-11-28 10:44:48 PM
If I was on that jury...
29.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-28 10:46:52 PM

MeanJean: earthworm2.0

Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.

Funny how you're blaming HER parents and not, you know, the TEENAGE RAPIST'S parents.

Is this a new form of victim blaming or are you just stupid?


That was one of the questions from a neighbor in a NY Times article about the rape. Which of course led to a petition. Which led to a NY Times response.
 
2012-11-28 10:46:54 PM

Lsherm: Gyrfalcon: Horseshiat.

I could give a scumbag client the best defense possible without having to resort to blaming an 11year old child for instigating her own gang-rape by 20 adult men. And even without feeling bad about trying to get him found not guilty.

This attorney is probably raping his own daughter if he's got one, and somebody needs to check if he's been sanctioned lately.

What do you mean horseshiat? The rape was videotaped. He can't challenge the fact that his client had sex with an 11 year old. He can't challenge that he urged other people to have sex with her. He can't argue that his client urged other rapists to slap the girl. The best possible defense that attorney (or you) could offer is that the sex, and everything else, was consensual.

What magical defense would you offer? That it wasn't him on the tape?

And like I speculated before - he probably knew this strategy wasn't going to fly, but if his client demanded he go with it, then that's what he's obligated to do.


No, I mean that the best strategy was to imply that the victim instigated the rape. The lawyer could have argued the sex was consensual--it may well have been the only strategy, although given statutory rape laws it was doomed to failure anyway--but proceeding on the theory that the girl actually lured the men in and wanted the treatment (I think the article quoted the attorney at some length describing her as a temptress and a "spider luring men into her web") was NEVER going to help the defendant's case. And if the client suggested that course of action, the attorney, if he was any good at all, should not have bought into it to that degree.

At least in CA, a lawyer is obligated to give his client the best defense possible; he's NOT obligated to help his client cut his own throat in court.
 
2012-11-28 10:47:04 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Well the first guy got 99 years, some of the others plead out and got 15 a piece. They all are going to prison with the stigma of being kiddie rapists and Bubba will probably have a great time with them. Yeah Texas totally condones "honor rape" Derp


Hey, this thread is for out of context outrage only! None of this "reading the article" and "citing facts" crap.

Also, I did remove that part after the *checks link* bit... so you know... reading is fundamental and all...
 
2012-11-28 10:48:14 PM
Theory: Lawyer REALLY hates his defendants, comes up with this shiat and laughs all the way to his clients lethal injection? /All i got
 
2012-11-28 10:48:24 PM

slayer199: Can we just gang-rape the attorney for this scumbag? Dry...no spit either.


As long as it's with an axe handle wrapped with rusty barbed wire.
Can we throw in the juvies who only got probation?
 
2012-11-28 10:48:28 PM

Lsherm: Gyrfalcon: Horseshiat.

I could give a scumbag client the best defense possible without having to resort to blaming an 11year old child for instigating her own gang-rape by 20 adult men. And even without feeling bad about trying to get him found not guilty.

This attorney is probably raping his own daughter if he's got one, and somebody needs to check if he's been sanctioned lately.

What do you mean horseshiat? The rape was videotaped. He can't challenge the fact that his client had sex with an 11 year old. He can't challenge that he urged other people to have sex with her. He can't argue that his client urged other rapists to slap the girl. The best possible defense that attorney (or you) could offer is that the sex, and everything else, was consensual.

What magical defense would you offer?


My client is clinically insane. To support this statement, I point to the fact that he thought videotaping himself raping an 11 year old is perfectly normal behavior.

Yes, yes, the guy is entitled to the best defense his attorney can provide. But saying that his client couldn't tell that an 11 year old was underage, and by the way, isn't a defense - it's inciting the jurors to leap out of their chairs and personally execute him.
 
2012-11-28 10:50:15 PM
Chariset: How does this man sleep at night?

with children, I presume.
 
2012-11-28 10:50:58 PM

naughtyrev: Wow - that's a um, novel, defense . When I first read about this story a while back, I remembered there was a bunch of outrage in the community not about what happened but because of who was implicated. Steve Taylor, defense attorney, is a true scumbag.


Yeah, there was a previous article on fark and I've seen some local coverage. The local community (black) were angry that the accused (blacks) were even being charged by the local prosecutor (white) for attacking the victim (hispanic). There were a lot of quotes from the community calling her a slut and saying this was just whites persecuting them, as "there were enough blacks in jail as it is."

People, I'm not from Texas, moved here last year. I fully know that the cops and justice system here are racist as hell. But this is NOT the case you want to use to try to get "justice."
 
2012-11-28 10:52:08 PM

Lsherm: MeanJean: earthworm2.0

Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.

Funny how you're blaming HER parents and not, you know, the TEENAGE RAPIST'S parents.

Is this a new form of victim blaming or are you just stupid?

That was one of the questions from a neighbor in a NY Times article about the rape. Which of course led to a petition. Which led to a NY Times response.


I think wondering where the parents of the 11 year old are is a bit more natural than wondering where the parents of a 20 year old are. That's not victim blaming. That's wondering how the hell the parents weren't aware of this.
 
2012-11-28 10:52:12 PM
I 100% approve of defense lawyers doing anything for their client, no matter what the crime is. But when I say anything, I mean anything that is not unethical. Please someone tell me he can be disbarred for that kind of unprofessional disgusting conduct.
 
2012-11-28 10:52:23 PM

Lsherm: I'm going to guess by your Fark handle that you have a good sense of humor, are probably a pretty good defense attorney, and you frequently make poor decisions related to your personal life.

Either that, or you're a 15 year-old defense attorney.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaay past 15, good sense of humor. Both my clients left court this afternoon under their own power so I do alright. My ex-wife will be happy to verify that I make poor decisions.

One of my friends had a client get 14 years today for raping a minor. Having your name in the paper for a big case is helpful to a career. But BS like this is hurtful to both the client and the career, as well as to the profession. Just a bad move over all.
 
2012-11-28 10:52:46 PM
This is so very vile and disgusting. I hope those sick farks have their manhood rot off in a horrible, excruciating, and painful way.
 
2012-11-28 10:54:16 PM

minoridiot: "People don't come with signs telling their age," Taylor said. "How does a young man know? You can't cut off their legs and count the rings like a tree."
 

And lawyers wonder why people hate them.


At least she's still alive.

Right now, there are parents here in Washington, in court being tried for homicide by abuse, for killing their (approximately) 13-year-old adopted daughter, Hana Williams - basically, by starving her, then leaving her outside to die of hypothermia brought on by malnutrition. They also had seven other kids taken away from them - six biological, who weren't abused, and the brother of the dead girl, who was also abused. Apparently, they tried the bizarre "To Train Up Your Child" techniques, but only on the adopted kids. They're attempting to worm out of the homicide by abuse charge by using a bizarre technicality to repudiate the charge.

Their attorney is attempting to claim that, because she was adopted from Ethiopia, her Ethiopian birth certificate shouldn't be considered accurate - this is a defense because, in Washington, you can't be charged with homicide by abuse if the person you beat to death is 16 or older. In Washington, homicide by abuse carries the same penalties as first-degree murder. If their attorney can get that charge dropped, the parents then get charged with manslaughter and assault by abuse - both charges carrying far less in the way of penalties. The lawyer's claiming that the girl could be 16, and so the parents can't be charged with homicide by abuse.

Just to ensure this defense attorney can't use this technicality at the request of these reprehensible "parents", the prosecutors had to ask that the dead girl be exhumed so a forensic expert can use her teeth, bones, and other physiological attributes to validate her age. The defense attorney fought against the exhumation, but lost because of the "extraordinary circumstances" of the case.
 
2012-11-28 10:54:54 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: At a rally last night, Houston community activist Quanell X suggested investigators are racially biased because only black men and boys have been charged with the rape of the 11-year-old victim, who is Hispanic. "We do not want someone with a malicious racist motive to rid your community of an entire generation of black men," he said.


/.........
fark you..fark you long and hard Quanell, you race card playing douchebag. And how can the investigators be racists, when ALL THE SUSPECTS WERE BLACK? Don't let the facts cloud your race baiting ass.


You're shiatting me?

/also....Quanell X...
 
2012-11-28 10:55:01 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Ever known an 11 year old girl? Conniving spiders, all of them. It just gets worse from there.


Having dated a few, I concur.
 
2012-11-28 10:55:15 PM
Okay, maybe I could see a "my client was under the influence of medication" or "my client was suffering from a mental breakdown" defense, but this? That attorney needs to be shot.
 
2012-11-28 10:55:23 PM

Brontes: He is entitled to a jury by his peers, a bunch of other sick farks.


Only in England. In the USA, he is merely entitled to an "impartial" jury.
 
2012-11-28 10:56:24 PM
Gergesa:

Hmmm I have to wonder how some defense attorneys make it through the day.

A defendant is entitled to the best defense you can give him.


They must be very good at compartmentalizing and just kind of shutting down certain parts of their mind.

Yes.
 
2012-11-28 10:56:30 PM

ultraholland: Chariset: How does this man sleep at night?

with children, I presume.

 

www.whoateallthepies.tv
 
2012-11-28 10:57:02 PM

Karac: My client is clinically insane. To support this statement, I point to the fact that he thought videotaping himself raping an 11 year old is perfectly normal behavior.


IANAL, but I'm pretty sure you have to claim insanity for a defense before going to trial, and someone has to back you up, like a state psychologist. You can't just introduce rampant stupidity as an insanity plea once the ball is rolling.

I guess you could argue retardation, but even that requires an evaluation by the state.
 
2012-11-28 10:58:01 PM

RatMaster999: AverageAmericanGuy: Ever known an 11 year old girl? Conniving spiders, all of them. It just gets worse from there.

Having dated a few, I concur.


'If you don't let me ride the merry go round, I'm gonna tell my mommy about you'
'If you don't buy me an ice cream cone, I'm gonna tell my mommy about you'

Jeez, it's like these kids know how to manipulate the system from birth.
 
2012-11-28 10:59:26 PM

FormlessOne: Just to ensure this defense attorney can't use this technicality at the request of these reprehensible "parents", the prosecutors had to ask that the dead girl be exhumed so a forensic expert can use her teeth, bones, and other physiological attributes to validate her age. The defense attorney fought against the exhumation, but lost because of the "extraordinary circumstances" of the case.


I'd be interested to see how that case plays out, because a malnourished 16 year old might, MIGHT be similar to a 13 year old. At the very least, it would make for a good Bones episode.
 
2012-11-28 10:59:32 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: You know, it's bad enough that you could find one, maybe two guys who would be willing to fark a 11 year old that was willing, but seriously? 20? Wtf is wrong with you people? And how as a lawyer, could you stand in front of the court and spew this bullshiat without being disbarred? If he would have said that shiat to me, and i was the trial judge, i would have thrown both him and his scumbag client in FPYITA prison for life. There is no excuse..none...i don't care if she was naked screaming your name, begging you to fark her, she's 11. Everyone who did this should be jailed for long and long. Comon people, that's someone's daughter.

Reminds me of that case where the attractive young white couple was kidnapped, and raped and beaten before being killed. The guy who thought of it called up a bunch of his friends. I wonder how that convo went? Esp since a bunch of his friends came over to help rape her. I have moments where i have faith in people, then there is a story like this. Where nobody seems to have any sense of empathy, or a clear mind on what is right or wrong. fark people suck sometimes.


Yeah that has me stumped too - 20?!?!?!

Can they even find 12 peeps in the community who were NOT involved to be on the jury?

Scum - is about the only word that comes to mind.
 
2012-11-28 11:00:28 PM

Lollipop165: As sick as this defense is, THIS. As an American, the guy deserves a defense attorney.

This is the best the defense attorney can come up with.


This isn't a "defense."

In fact, this is "offense." As in, it's offensive. And it's slander.

Which is part of the problem with the US... our system relies upon slander as much as actual evidence. Everyone should have the right to an attorney and a defense, but we allow the law to become a f*cking joke with this kind of stuff.
 
2012-11-28 11:01:37 PM

pciszek: Brontes: He is entitled to a jury by his peers, a bunch of other sick farks.

Only in England. In the USA, he is merely entitled to an "impartial" jury.


I was going to say WUT? and then I Google and found an awesome site confirming you are correct!

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution
 
2012-11-28 11:04:20 PM
pbfcomics.com
 
2012-11-28 11:04:25 PM

Lollipop165: Lsherm: MeanJean: earthworm2.0

Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.

Funny how you're blaming HER parents and not, you know, the TEENAGE RAPIST'S parents.

Is this a new form of victim blaming or are you just stupid?

That was one of the questions from a neighbor in a NY Times article about the rape. Which of course led to a petition. Which led to a NY Times response.

I think wondering where the parents of the 11 year old are is a bit more natural than wondering where the parents of a 20 year old are. That's not victim blaming. That's wondering how the hell the parents weren't aware of this.


Sometimes you farkers astound me. Let me ask you this, at 11 years old were you under constant parental supervision? Were there never times where you and your friends went off and played at a local park or something of that nature for several hours? Or went on adventures in some nearby woods with your friends for a few hours? Or maybe just rode your bike around an extended neighborhood area for an hour or so?

I could see asking the question of whether or not the parents realized something was wrong with their daughter after coming home crying or what have you, but asking where the parents were like they're supposed to be hovering around her watching her every move anytime she wasn't in school is asinine. 

/lawyer and client in this case should be strung up by their nutsacks and beaten, then buried alive.
 
2012-11-28 11:04:58 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: Steve Taylor, defense attorney, is the biggest #$%$%^#% in the whole story which is quite a feat considering the others are grown men who rape eleven year olds. 

Burn 'em all I say.


Everyone is entitled to a zealous defense. I'm sure the lawyer is taking great pleasure in raping the wallet of the defendant.
 
2012-11-28 11:05:27 PM
The child-farker in this specific case was convicted and sentenced to life in prison today, and will not be eligible for parole.

And as disgusting as the argument the lawyer made may have been, the result is that the child-farker doesn't have room to claim the defense attorney didn't make every effort, does he?
 
2012-11-28 11:07:59 PM
Link

Link to other part of story, including herpaderp from the black and white community. That town is a cesspool it seems. Nuke it from orbit..ect.
 
2012-11-28 11:08:26 PM

FormlessOne: minoridiot: "People don't come with signs telling their age," Taylor said. "How does a young man know? You can't cut off their legs and count the rings like a tree."
 

And lawyers wonder why people hate them.

At least she's still alive.

Right now, there are parents here in Washington, in court being tried for homicide by abuse, for killing their (approximately) 13-year-old adopted daughter, Hana Williams - basically, by starving her, then leaving her outside to die of hypothermia brought on by malnutrition. They also had seven other kids taken away from them - six biological, who weren't abused, and the brother of the dead girl, who was also abused. Apparently, they tried the bizarre "To Train Up Your Child" techniques, but only on the adopted kids. They're attempting to worm out of the homicide by abuse charge by using a bizarre technicality to repudiate the charge.

Their attorney is attempting to claim that, because she was adopted from Ethiopia, her Ethiopian birth certificate shouldn't be considered accurate - this is a defense because, in Washington, you can't be charged with homicide by abuse if the person you beat to death is 16 or older. In Washington, homicide by abuse carries the same penalties as first-degree murder. If their attorney can get that charge dropped, the parents then get charged with manslaughter and assault by abuse - both charges carrying far less in the way of penalties. The lawyer's claiming that the girl could be 16, and so the parents can't be charged with homicide by abuse.

Just to ensure this defense attorney can't use this technicality at the request of these reprehensible "parents", the prosecutors had to ask that the dead girl be exhumed so a forensic expert can use her teeth, bones, and other physiological attributes to validate her age. The defense attorney fought against the exhumation, but lost because of the "extraordinary circumstances" of the case.


Holy fark - that's horrible. I was adopted by abusive parents but at least the bastards made sure to feed me. That poor girl and her brother - I hope they find someone to give him the love and support he will need. Same for their biological children - they didn't ask for this happen either. As for the adoptive parents and the attorney - fark them both, there isn't a pit in hell deep enough for either of them. I wonder if the method you mentioned is what is now replacing "rebirthing" Link now that it has had some bad press (some idiots still use it).
 
2012-11-28 11:08:26 PM
HindiDiscoMonster:

This douche nozzle probably justifies this by saying "My client has the right to the most zealous defense I can give him". There is a difference between a zealous defense and being a soulless evil motherfarker straight from the pit of hell... a very narrow line, granted, but there is a line.

Clearly you don't understand how the American "justice" system works.

It's a defense lawyer's job to do that, to advocate and fight for a client. Any client they take. A professional ethical obligation. If they can't do that they have no business being defense lawyers. I stand behind that 100%, given the givens: a lawyer who usually tells his clients to plea-bargain should be shot.

It's the flip side to prosecutors sending a guy in a 3-strikes state to prison for a long long time for shoplifting a pair of socks. How do they sleep at night? The guy was homeless and his feet were cold. The same for a security guard who held him for the cops: I'd pay for the socks myself, even buy him a jacket too, but tell him to please not come back to that Walmart because I need the job. But most security guards are pissed that they don't qualify to be real cops, and a DA needs a good record if he's going to run for a higher office. Get tough on crime!

It's a flawed system but it is better than some. Ever heard of North Korea?
 
2012-11-28 11:11:50 PM

MeanJean: earthworm2.0

Where the hell was this girls parents? How does an 11 year old girl have the free time out of supervision to get gang raped by 20 guys? I think there should.be charges for her parents too.

Funny how you're blaming HER parents and not, you know, the TEENAGE RAPIST'S parents.

Is this a new form of victim blaming or are you just stupid?


I wonder where her parents were too. This was over a 4 month period. If I had a child I can't imagine not being trusted enough for her tell me that she had been assaulted by 20 men. Or at least notice that she sloshed when she walked by.
 
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