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(The New York Times)   The latest demographic that Republicans are losing: highly educated and wealthy IT professionals. Also known as people who believe in science   (fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 139
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2012-11-28 04:28:26 PM  
What people who believe in science may look like:

www.ozarksunbound.com
 
2012-11-28 04:30:42 PM  
I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.
 
2012-11-28 04:33:01 PM  
Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.
 
2012-11-28 04:33:03 PM  
I work in IT (but am totally not wealthy). lots of derp around here.
 
2012-11-28 04:33:10 PM  
I'm sure plenty of IT folks love science, but I doubt that's a given.
 
2012-11-28 04:33:11 PM  
Just going to go ahead and make a prediction here... In three weeks we will have found that Republicans lost every single democraphic including "white male republicans who voted for Romney" - it's possible if you try.

Those 50 million votes cast for Romney - they don't exist.
 
2012-11-28 04:34:29 PM  

masdog: I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.


Yeah, but they would probably vote for RON PAUL.

/or Gary Johnson.
 
2012-11-28 04:35:20 PM  

Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.


Satire?
 
2012-11-28 04:35:36 PM  

bradkanus: Just going to go ahead and make a prediction here... In three weeks we will have found that Republicans lost every single democraphic including "white male republicans who voted for Romney" - it's possible if you try.

Those 50 million votes cast for Romney - they don't exist.


"lost a demographic" != "got 0 votes from that demographic"
 
2012-11-28 04:35:52 PM  
Ok, so which one of you works at Netflix and gave Romney $250?
 
2012-11-28 04:35:54 PM  

Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.


Typical conversation

Can't get drunk, I'm on call.
This week?
No, this month.
 
2012-11-28 04:37:25 PM  

masdog: I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.


I've been in IT for a good 15 years now, and am amazed how many truthers I've met. Not many republicans though primarily due to their stance net neutrality and religion/creationism.
 
2012-11-28 04:37:59 PM  

qorkfiend: bradkanus: Just going to go ahead and make a prediction here... In three weeks we will have found that Republicans lost every single democraphic including "white male republicans who voted for Romney" - it's possible if you try.

Those 50 million votes cast for Romney - they don't exist.

"lost a demographic" != "got 0 votes from that demographic"


sorry that my facetious statement didn't make perfect mathematical sense. You don't ever get the feeling people hate you, do you? Please don't go see a comedy show - some of the things they say there may be exaggerations.
 
2012-11-28 04:39:02 PM  

masdog: I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.


We had a bunch here at my work as well, luckily getting away from Linux solved that problem too.
 
2012-11-28 04:39:13 PM  

bradkanus: qorkfiend: bradkanus: Just going to go ahead and make a prediction here... In three weeks we will have found that Republicans lost every single democraphic including "white male republicans who voted for Romney" - it's possible if you try.

Those 50 million votes cast for Romney - they don't exist.

"lost a demographic" != "got 0 votes from that demographic"

sorry that my facetious statement didn't make perfect mathematical sense. You don't ever get the feeling people hate you, do you? Please don't go see a comedy show - some of the things they say there may be exaggerations.


Apology accepted. See that it doesn't happen again.
 
2012-11-28 04:39:47 PM  
I worked in IT for 25 years. Plenty of ultra right wing douche nozzles in that field. Belief in Science does not as liberal make. What made me weep for mankind was meeting a GEOLOGIST that was a Creationist. THAT messed with my head a bit.
 
2012-11-28 04:39:56 PM  
As an educated IT professional who has gotten up every morning to go to work at a high stress job for the last 18 years, I know I was personally dismayed to find out I only vote the way I do because I'm a freeloader who wants a government handout.

Here I thought I voted because I value science. I don't believe America should be a governing theocracy. I don't find gays to be particularly "icky" and they should be given the same rights as everyone else. I believe investing in our country's infrastructure is important. I believe it to be incredibly wasteful to spend 60% of the world's military spending when we don't even have a viable current military threat. I feel society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of their least fortunate. I have no reason to believe the scientific community's assertion that Global Warming is real, particularly when it falls in line with my own anecdotal experience (80 degrees here in Austin TX during Thanksgiving week). I want America to be reap the benefits as the Saudi Arabia of green energy for the next Century. I'm fairly distrustful of Wall Street's ability to regulate themselves, given that whole financial meltdown/industry bailout thingy from all of four whopping years ago. etc.
 
2012-11-28 04:41:18 PM  

masdog: I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.


Ditto. Times infinity. Engineers are very strange people.

/not me though
 
2012-11-28 04:43:10 PM  
You have issues when there is a correlation with low educational attainment and your supporters.
 
2012-11-28 04:43:32 PM  

InmanRoshi: Here I thought I voted because I value science. I don't believe America should be a governing theocracy. I don't find gays to be particularly "icky" and they should be given the same rights as everyone else. I believe investing in our country's infrastructure is important. I believe it to be incredibly wasteful to spend 60% of the world's military spending when we don't even have a viable current military threat. I feel society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of their least fortunate. I have no reason to believe the scientific community's assertion that Global Warming is real, particularly when it falls in line with my own anecdotal experience (80 degrees here in Austin TX during Thanksgiving week). I want America to be reap the benefits as the Saudi Arabia of green energy for the next Century. I'm fairly distrustful of Wall Street's ability to regulate themselves, given that whole financial meltdown/industry bailout thingy from all of four whopping years ago. etc.


I'd like to subscribe to your news letter
 
2012-11-28 04:44:21 PM  

masdog: I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.


Came in here to say this. All of the network IT people I've had at the companies I've worked for have been Truthers, Mooners, or other such loons.
 
2012-11-28 04:44:55 PM  

jst3p: Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.

Satire?


Ever been an IT contractor? Even when you're on a long term dedicated contract with only one company, you are lower than whale shiat.
 
2012-11-28 04:45:25 PM  
Don't get confused by Nate's use of 'IT' - he doesn't mean IT at worker that runs a company's IT department. He's referring to the tech *companies*. I work for one of the 10 companies he calls out, but I'm not 'in IT' - I'm in a client facing role...

I've met or heard of 0 birthers/truthers/tea partiers/other idiots. And he's f'ing spot on with my experiences. Liberal, liberal, liberal, with the occasional libertarian.
 
2012-11-28 04:46:19 PM  
Lots of geeks worship meritocracy, and that sort of thing naturally leads to libertarian and/or Social Darwinist views.

Such folks could have sorta fit into GOP Classic, but New GOP's theocracy support and reality bubble can't be easy to swallow.
 
2012-11-28 04:46:28 PM  
It was the anti-internet porn rhetoric that destroyed his chances with this demographic.
 
2012-11-28 04:46:59 PM  

bradkanus: sorry that my facetious statement didn't make perfect mathematical sense


The problem was it didn't make any sense. But hey, you officially got 47% of the vote.
 
2012-11-28 04:48:53 PM  
Don't know about the wealthy and highly parts, but the educated IT parts fit.

Since when are wage earners considered wealthy?
 
2012-11-28 04:49:28 PM  

Almet: jst3p: Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.

Satire?

Ever been an IT contractor? Even when you're on a long term dedicated contract with only one company, you are lower than whale shiat.


Yeah, but that's not who Nate is talking about. At all. If you think that Googlers, Mirosofties, and Netflixers are praying to unionize or are treated poorly... you're wrong. Very, very wrong.

/there is a bottle of whiskey on just about every desk in my office. Not to dull the pain, but because whiskey is awesome. And so are our jobs.

//yes, plenty of IT contracting companies are bloody awful and plenty of IT *jobs* are terrible. But a software engineer at Google, account management at Microsoft, or a tech support person at Dropbox? Great jobs with companies that generally treat their employees very well.
 
2012-11-28 04:50:44 PM  
I was told that the people who voted for Obama were moochers and takers. Now you're telling me that not only do some of them have jobs, they have so much money that they give it away!
 
2012-11-28 04:51:09 PM  
I'm not quite to the "wealthy" part of life, but I concur. And the very smartest, and I'm talking brilliant geniuses (the ones that don't go to church anyway- I am in Utah afterall) that I work with do also.
Which I liked to ask the not brilliant geniuses here at work during the election why it is that all the smart techy and programmer peoples here aren't voting GOP? Seriously, most all the people I consider logically "smart" didn't vote for RMoney.
 
2012-11-28 04:52:02 PM  

GAT_00: bradkanus: sorry that my facetious statement didn't make perfect mathematical sense

The problem was it didn't make any sense. But hey, you officially got 47% of the vote.


I got exactly 0% of the vote. I wasn't running for office.

As for my joke - come on, it's obvious that Romney lost. Why not have a little fun with the New York Times' prolonged victory dance? Hell, they earned it for as much shiat was thrown their way. I wasn't being defesnive, I was just trying to have a laugh with everyone else as it becomes apparent that Mitt and the Republicans (me) failed miserably. If you can't laugh - what can you do?
 
2012-11-28 04:52:13 PM  
There are a ton of crazy IT people out there. I remember when I used to work at Lockheed Martin, one of the other sysadmins didn't believe mankind has ever been to the Moon (let alone land on it).

When he said that I couldn't do anything but stare at him. I mean really? You work at LOCKHEED MARTIN. They build the rockets for space programs.
 
2012-11-28 04:52:16 PM  

Citrate1007: You have issues when there is a correlation with low educational attainment and your supporters.


I couldn't agree more.

www.mikemalloy.com
 
2012-11-28 04:54:33 PM  

Almet: jst3p: Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.

Satire?

Ever been an IT contractor? Even when you're on a long term dedicated contract with only one company, you are lower than whale shiat.


I work in IT, and have worked as a contractor. Your experiences are vastly different from mine though. When I didn't know anything and did refreshes and the like I was treated poorly but that was years ago and didn't last long. I am a unix admin, maybe that is part of the difference in our experiences?
 
2012-11-28 04:55:59 PM  

Citrate1007: It was the anti-internet porn rhetoric that destroyed his chances with this demographic.


Yup. If you want to piss off the IT folks, talk about taking away their torrents and porn.

//We route your streaming video. We read your email. We back up your data while you sleep. Do not fark with us.
 
2012-11-28 04:56:58 PM  
I work in the tech sector, and most everyone is liberal in my experiences. Having to work with people across the world makes it harder to simply label all brown people as evil or stupid.

I also enjoy letting my European colleagues know how terrible they're living in socialist Europe. I mean the GOP would never lie about that right?
 
2012-11-28 04:57:32 PM  
"Latest"? I got tired of watching these idiots fling pooh starting with Dole and Gingrich in the 90's.
 
2012-11-28 04:58:22 PM  

jst3p: Almet: jst3p: Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.

Satire?

Ever been an IT contractor? Even when you're on a long term dedicated contract with only one company, you are lower than whale shiat.

I work in IT, and have worked as a contractor. Your experiences are vastly different from mine though. When I didn't know anything and did refreshes and the like I was treated poorly but that was years ago and didn't last long. I am a unix admin, maybe that is part of the difference in our experiences?


We Unix Admins do generally float to the top of the "treat me nice" stack, however we also end up with the "hey, this app runs on unix so you support it, right?" sticker, which sucks.

I explained to my special lady friend we're total bigots. If you're running your app on Windows don't darken my cube.
 
2012-11-28 04:59:46 PM  

Irving Maimway: We Unix Admins do generally float to the top of the "treat me nice" stack, however we also end up with the "hey, this app runs on unix so you support it, right?" sticker, which sucks.


We usually get the bonus of "very little end user support" though, which is priceless.
 
2012-11-28 05:00:37 PM  

SuperT: I work in IT (but am totally not wealthy). lots of derp around here.


Indeed, I've ran into a lot of "Rugged Individualist Bootstrappers" who believe they went Galt because they went to ITT to learn how to lay fiber cable rather than work air conditioner repair with their daddy and uncle, and therefore poor uninsured people should die of appendicitis in the street. However, I don't think those are the type of IT professionals TFA is talking about.
 
2012-11-28 05:03:42 PM  

Sad King Billy: Ok, so which one of you works at Netflix and gave Romney $250?


The same ass-hat who won't convert season 3 episode 1 of the 3-parter in SeaQuest DSV
 
2012-11-28 05:03:47 PM  

jst3p: Irving Maimway: We Unix Admins do generally float to the top of the "treat me nice" stack, however we also end up with the "hey, this app runs on unix so you support it, right?" sticker, which sucks.

We usually get the bonus of "very little end user support" though, which is priceless.


PREACH IT BROTHER!!!!
 
2012-11-28 05:05:41 PM  

InmanRoshi: SuperT: I work in IT (but am totally not wealthy). lots of derp around here.

Indeed, I've ran into a lot of "Rugged Individualist Bootstrappers" who believe they went Galt because they went to ITT to learn how to lay fiber cable rather than work air conditioner repair with their daddy and uncle, and therefore poor uninsured people should die of appendicitis in the street. However, I don't think those are the type of IT professionals TFA is talking about.


Do you really think ITT grads are going to pick up a 1,000 page book written fifty-some-odd years ago? I really don't think so either. But hey - any way you can whack at Rand it is justifiable, righ? Even if it's completely untrue. It will be our little secret.
 
2012-11-28 05:06:42 PM  

LittleSmitty: I worked in IT for 25 years. Plenty of ultra right wing douche nozzles in that field. Belief in Science does not as liberal make. What made me weep for mankind was meeting a GEOLOGIST that was a Creationist. THAT messed with my head a bit.


Eccentric IT people seem to be the place where ultra left- and right-wing folks are so off the map they resemble each other (e.g.: they meet on the other side). I had a guy who worked with (a contractor) who got into some pissing match with his contracting house about how they couldn't deduct income tax because it was unconstitutional (even though the constitution was amended years ago to allow it) and was threatening to sue them because they were acting on behalf of the government in his beef with the IRS. Somehow our company started hearing from the IRS about this and decided they didn't want to deal with this nonsense (even though it didn't affect them-- they paid a flat fee to the contract house, who in turn paid him), and terminated him.
 
2012-11-28 05:07:11 PM  

InmanRoshi: SuperT: I work in IT (but am totally not wealthy). lots of derp around here.

Indeed, I've ran into a lot of "Rugged Individualist Bootstrappers" who believe they went Galt because they went to ITT to learn how to lay fiber cable rather than work air conditioner repair with their daddy and uncle, and therefore poor uninsured people should die of appendicitis in the street. However, I don't think those are the type of IT professionals TFA is talking about.


I have one of those on my team. The fun part is I can make his blood boil easily. Here is a paraphrase from an email I recently sent out.

"We are having an issue with the VXFS filesystem. We are engaging the vendor as we believe the filesystem headers need to be recreated (we have seen similar before). We do not have an ETA but Nate Silver predicts a high likelihood of complete recovery with no restore from backup needed."

His response "Not funny"

It wasn't funny but knowing it got a rise out of him makes me smile every time.

And "you didn'tbuild that!" never gets old, it fits in so many situations.
 
2012-11-28 05:10:26 PM  

bradkanus: InmanRoshi: SuperT: I work in IT (but am totally not wealthy). lots of derp around here.

Indeed, I've ran into a lot of "Rugged Individualist Bootstrappers" who believe they went Galt because they went to ITT to learn how to lay fiber cable rather than work air conditioner repair with their daddy and uncle, and therefore poor uninsured people should die of appendicitis in the street. However, I don't think those are the type of IT professionals TFA is talking about.

Do you really think ITT grads are going to pick up a 1,000 page book written fifty-some-odd years ago? I really don't think so either. But hey - any way you can whack at Rand it is justifiable, righ? Even if it's completely untrue. It will be our little secret.


IT has a good number of people without a 4 year degree. In my experience it generally produces one of two results. People like me who are grateful that there is still a little upward mobility left and leans left because I want to leave opportunity for others to make it, or "I got mine, fark you". The guy I referenced in my previous post fits Inman's description to a T, right down to the "Who is John Galt?" and "Don't tread on me!" bumper stickers. I kid you not.
 
2012-11-28 05:11:30 PM  

LarryDan43: Lexx: Yeah, they'd vote for Obama because they hope against all hope to eventually, one day, unionize. IT working hours & conditions are abysmal.

Typical conversation

Can't get drunk, I'm on call.
This week?
No, this month.


Someone's never heard of the Ballmer Peak.
 
2012-11-28 05:13:24 PM  

bradkanus: Do you really think ITT grads are going to pick up a 1,000 page book written fifty-some-odd years ago? I really don't think so either. But hey - any way you can whack at Rand it is justifiable, righ? Even if it's completely untrue. It will be our little secret.


I don't think anyone who believes in Radian philosophy has ever read Rand. Anyone who's attempted to read it knows the writing is horrendous, and you generally don't need to create a cause promoting selfishness in humans when it comes quite easily and natural to them.

But I think it's further unlikely that anyone who has attended ITT has ever read Rand. That's reserved reading for college freshmen dorm dwellers.
 
2012-11-28 05:20:00 PM  

InmanRoshi: As an educated IT professional who has gotten up every morning to go to work at a high stress job for the last 18 years, I know I was personally dismayed to find out I only vote the way I do because I'm a freeloader who wants a government handout.

Here I thought I voted because I value science. I don't believe America should be a governing theocracy. I don't find gays to be particularly "icky" and they should be given the same rights as everyone else. I believe investing in our country's infrastructure is important. I believe it to be incredibly wasteful to spend 60% of the world's military spending when we don't even have a viable current military threat. I feel society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of their least fortunate. I have no reason to believe the scientific community's assertion that Global Warming is real, particularly when it falls in line with my own anecdotal experience (80 degrees here in Austin TX during Thanksgiving week). I want America to be reap the benefits as the Saudi Arabia of green energy for the next Century. I'm fairly distrustful of Wall Street's ability to regulate themselves, given that whole financial meltdown/industry bailout thingy from all of four whopping years ago. etc.


In related news, former Reagan adviser Bruce Bartlett wrote an article titled "Revenge of the Reality-Based Community."
Link
 
2012-11-28 05:20:09 PM  

masdog: I work in IT, and I've worked with quite a few guys who make conspiracy-theorist engineers look sane by comparison.


Conspiracy Theories: Fundie Food for Atheists
 
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