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(Washington Post)   Author booted from Benghazi interview for calling Fox a "wing of the Republican party" declines to go on MSNBC, saying, "You're just like Fox, but not as good at it"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 250
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2012-11-28 05:26:35 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Both FNC and MSNBC cable News channels suck. One blows the right and the other blows the left (relatively speaking)

Does this mean if I'm watching CNN, I'm probably doing it with smug superiority?


No, you'd have to go all the way to c-span for that.
 
2012-11-28 05:27:28 PM

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


My guess is his idea starts with not being on cable.

Or television, for that matter.
 
2012-11-28 05:31:55 PM

thecpt: X-Geek: [i614.photobucket.com image 373x330]

How does being annoyed by someone (in this case two things) make one feel superior? Its farking annoying to hear people spin news constantly.


You don't get the feeling that Ricks is showing that he feels superior to both? I only skimmed TFA, but the situation reminded me of the xkcd, so I updated it. Personally, I can't watch Fox for more than a few minutes before changing the channel in disgust. I'll watch MSNBC, but try to take note of hypocritical comments. I like the first half of Colbert, but what's with all the friggin' singing? Daily Show++
 
2012-11-28 05:32:28 PM

hubiestubert: Obviously a Liberal plant...



I wouldn't mind seeing him on Stewart or Colbert - except they all do just about the same thing. At this point he's just a guy taking shots at Fox and MSNBC, and there is a million of us out there.
 
2012-11-28 05:35:30 PM
No HERO tag for this guy?
 
2012-11-28 05:37:14 PM

ZzeusS: hubiestubert: Obviously a Liberal plant...


I wouldn't mind seeing him on Stewart or Colbert - except they all do just about the same thing. At this point he's just a guy taking shots at Fox and MSNBC, and there is a million of us out there.


Yes but he's the Real Shady
 
2012-11-28 05:38:06 PM
i716.photobucket.com

Yay for someone who actually calls everyone on their bullshiat rather than calling one side on theirs and polishing the turds on the other side. More guys like this and, heaven forbid, we might actually get some real dialogue in this country.
 
2012-11-28 05:40:33 PM

X-Geek: [i614.photobucket.com image 373x330]


Damn you!

/better you than me
//I would've gone the lazy route
 
2012-11-28 05:41:45 PM
There's no such thing as non-partisan news these days. They're either labeled "Republicoonts" or libtards who kisses every hair on Obama's ass.
 
2012-11-28 05:42:23 PM

Gr8Zen: Lexx: The best journalism out there, right now, is Al Jazeera and the BBC. Considering the recent scandals, however, it might actually be Al Jazeera.

Scary world, eh?

I just about always consider Al Jazeera the least biased (not necessarily best) source for US political news. The BBC is generally okay if it doesn't involve the UK or any part of the Arab/Palestinian/Israeli conflict, on which BBC is not only biased but often an active participant in spreading misinformation (Jon Donnison, for example).

Generally, wire services like the AP and Reuters are pretty unbiased, if lacking depth.

NPR's Morning Edition is definitely left-leaning but I haven't caught them intentionally misrepresenting the facts. Other programming on NPR, like On the Media & On Point are full blown left but still fact-based. Talk of the Nation is fully a joke.

Most of the major print sources have a smattering of leanings, often far more dependent on the reporter than the publication. I find read-worthy stuff all the time in majors like Wash Post, NYT, WSJ, and yes, even USA Today.


Only rightwingers find NPR to be liberal. So, yeah, go back to Fox.
 
2012-11-28 05:42:39 PM
I don't know who this motherf*cker is, but if he runs for president, call me.
 
2012-11-28 05:43:28 PM

cman: This will be a fun thread to watch

/POPCORN


So has this thread provided sufficient entertainment, or are you disappointed by the lack of hand-wringing among the faithful MSNBC watchers (who apparently don't actually exist)?
 
2012-11-28 05:46:53 PM

Cythraul: MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.


Is it that hard to feel superior to MSNBC and Fox? The guy wrote a book. When's the last time an infotainment commentator read a book that hasn't been cliffnoted for them by their staff?
 
2012-11-28 05:47:24 PM

DarwiOdrade: cman: This will be a fun thread to watch

/POPCORN

So has this thread provided sufficient entertainment, or are you disappointed by the lack of hand-wringing among the faithful MSNBC watchers (who apparently don't actually exist)?


MSNBC is just a strawman for FOX. If it weren't for FOX nitwits crying about i, I wouldn't even know it exists.

/FOX. The most popular cable news show, but yet somehow NOT part of the MSM.
 
2012-11-28 05:50:10 PM
It boils down to this: If you actually want your news biased, then fark you, your opinions are worth shiat. I'm a lefty and it actually makes me proud MSNBC doesn't get half the viewers FOX does, because it means there's less of us who want extreme partisan nonsense.
 
2012-11-28 05:50:24 PM
Hero tag is still on vacation?

I freakin love this guy!
 
2012-11-28 05:50:33 PM
There is no such thing as unbiased news. Each station decides what is reported on and what isn't. That every other segment on NPR is about the plight of the poor and/or black is proof they are biased because they think that is more important than anything else that is happening. That fox news is still talking in circles about Benghazi is proof fox news is biased too. Even if their segments appear on the surface to be unbiased, the fact they are reporting these (non)stories and the frequency at which they do reveals their biases. I don't give a fark if, within a specific 30 second news segment, two sides are given equal time to spout off a one-line zinger, the decision to even bring up or ignore a subject matter reveals bias.

And if you want to argue that one of these two stories really is important and deserving to be on the nightly news then it is clear to me you can't step outside of your own biases.

A chicken would argue that 20+ million chickens slaughtered in the US every day that isn't reported is proof that these news stations are biased because every news segment is human-centric.
 
2012-11-28 05:50:33 PM
Wait, is there actually anyone who disagrees with that statement?
 
2012-11-28 05:53:09 PM
Both on TV, both biased but msnbc mostly presents a progressive viewpoint, which they advertise, while FN spews right-wing propaganda while claiming to be balanced.

Not the same, sorry. That should be clear after the convention, debate and election coverage.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-11-28 05:56:33 PM
Yes both channels are bad but NOT equally bad!
MSNBC is all about crooks and criminals Friday night. Wait....what....yeah I guess they are, the Friday night crooks and criminals are just lower class crooks and criminals. What you gonna do! What you gonna do! When they come for you!
 
2012-11-28 05:57:29 PM

Toots de la Footsjelly: Yes both channels are bad but NOT equally bad!


Be careful. Lots of people around these parts think that sort of thing is impossible
 
2012-11-28 05:59:46 PM
Bi-Partisanship
 
2012-11-28 05:59:49 PM
Lest we forget Democracy Now

//Whose
//Warren Peas?
 
2012-11-28 06:01:40 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-28 06:06:35 PM

signaljammer: Lest we forget Democracy Now


They're not NPR.

Democracy Now runs on lots of NPR affiliates, but they're not under the NPR umbrella. The confusion is understandable, though, since a lot of NPR affiliates use Democracy Now and its equally-batshiat cousin Alternative Radio as fillers here and there, especially since Car Talk called it a career.
 
2012-11-28 06:07:19 PM
If you portend to the title of journalist, would you like to know at what precise you will know that you have screwed the pooch? When you say "News for..." It's news or it ain't. I could open a newspaper that caters to albino hookers who drive Volvos, but, um.. well you get the idea.
 
2012-11-28 06:08:03 PM

ghare: Gr8Zen: Lexx: The best journalism out there, right now, is Al Jazeera and the BBC. Considering the recent scandals, however, it might actually be Al Jazeera.

Scary world, eh?

I just about always consider Al Jazeera the least biased (not necessarily best) source for US political news. The BBC is generally okay if it doesn't involve the UK or any part of the Arab/Palestinian/Israeli conflict, on which BBC is not only biased but often an active participant in spreading misinformation (Jon Donnison, for example).

Generally, wire services like the AP and Reuters are pretty unbiased, if lacking depth.

NPR's Morning Edition is definitely left-leaning but I haven't caught them intentionally misrepresenting the facts. Other programming on NPR, like On the Media & On Point are full blown left but still fact-based. Talk of the Nation is fully a joke.

Most of the major print sources have a smattering of leanings, often far more dependent on the reporter than the publication. I find read-worthy stuff all the time in majors like Wash Post, NYT, WSJ, and yes, even USA Today.

Only rightwingers find NPR to be liberal. So, yeah, go back to Fox.


I'm pretty much as moderate as it's possible to be, despite strong feelings on a lot of topics. You think Talk of the Nation isn't leftish and doesn't have an agenda?

I find Marketplace to be the only truly centrist news program on npr.
 
2012-11-28 06:08:30 PM

Nabb1: I like the cut of this man's jib.


How do you know he's circumcised?
 
2012-11-28 06:08:59 PM
precise moment, I accidentally left out a whole word. : )
 
2012-11-28 06:10:59 PM

Cythraul: BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.

MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.


I doubt that a total lack of bias is even possible.
 
2012-11-28 06:16:18 PM
While MSNBC is not unbiased, it does push a democrat voice in the media, it's not as overt -nor as ridiculous- as Fox 'News' does it.
 
2012-11-28 06:19:18 PM
At this point, I think if you started a 24 hour news network that just reported the facts and didn't allow any extremists of either side but welcomed reasonable discussion on topics in a non-biased debate style programming with scorekeeping and whatnot you'd actually be able to do fairly well. It may even been shocking at first (at least to people who have lived in the 24 hour news bubble for the past decade+). Something like that could even make me want to turn my cable back on. I stopped paying any credence to the news somewhere around October 2001 when they pretty much stopped trying to report facts and just play heartstrings. Maybe this guy is a sign that the rest of the nation has gotten tired of this crap too, if this past election cycle didn't do it though I doubt anything will.
 
2012-11-28 06:19:22 PM

skullkrusher: Toots de la Footsjelly: Yes both channels are bad but NOT equally bad!

Be careful. Lots of people around these parts think that sort of thing is impossible


Let me be clear here.
Fox and MSNBC are mouthpieces. But Fox is mostly conjecture. MSNBC is about 50% conjecture but the other 50 is reporting. It's when the real zealots get the mic the problems happen and for the past 15-20 years that mic has been in their hands way way too much on both sides of that coin.
 
2012-11-28 06:31:36 PM

X-Geek: thecpt: X-Geek: [i614.photobucket.com image 373x330]

How does being annoyed by someone (in this case two things) make one feel superior? Its farking annoying to hear people spin news constantly.

You don't get the feeling that Ricks is showing that he feels superior to both? I only skimmed TFA, but the situation reminded me of the xkcd, so I updated it. Personally, I can't watch Fox for more than a few minutes before changing the channel in disgust. I'll watch MSNBC, but try to take note of hypocritical comments. I like the first half of Colbert, but what's with all the friggin' singing? Daily Show++


Oh you meant him specifically. I thought you were trying to say on a general basis. I could say the exact thing as in the comic, but Its not to establish superiority. Those shows like you said, are hypocritical and just annoy the crap out of me.
 
2012-11-28 06:36:10 PM

CygnusDarius: While MSNBC is not unbiased, it does push a democrat voice in the media, it's not as overt -nor as ridiculous- as Fox 'News' does it.


A couple minor differences are that msnbc doesn't tend to just make shiat up, or systematically, 'accidentally', label politicians with the wrong party letter.

There is a scientific term for what fox does: lie.
 
2012-11-28 06:40:03 PM
www.puertochan.org
 
2012-11-28 06:40:24 PM
The Real News Network has some decent articles that you normally won't find on other news sites. I check out several sites a day for my news and generally stay away from the MSM as much as possible.
 
2012-11-28 06:43:33 PM

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


NPR
 
2012-11-28 06:50:48 PM

Evil High Priest: CygnusDarius: While MSNBC is not unbiased, it does push a democrat voice in the media, it's not as overt -nor as ridiculous- as Fox 'News' does it.

A couple minor differences are that msnbc doesn't tend to just make shiat up, or systematically, 'accidentally', label politicians with the wrong party letter.

There is a scientific term for what fox does: lie.


Yes, but one thing is our everyday lies, and then there's the bombastic lies Fox shows on tv.
 
2012-11-28 06:54:19 PM
I blame Walter Cronkite. Without him the expression, "In this journalist's opinion" would not exist. A journalist doesn't have an opinion, a journalist reports the facts. An editorialist or commentator may have an opinion, but a journalist should not (at least publicly).

I was watching a bit this morning on CNN and the infotwat was interviewing a lawyer representing Hobby Lobby in a case to exempt the company from specifically providing "morning after" pills to its employees. Much like Chik-Fil-A, Hobby Lobby is a privately owned company founded by evangelical Christians and they feel that providing that specific medication is tantamount to paying for an abortion. Fast forward to the end of the interview when the CNN woman says, "And this will be my final question...'Let me just say that when a company like yours restricts a woman's access to contraception that is the same as the government doing it.' " Find a question in there.
 
2012-11-28 06:58:18 PM
So basically, he's mad as hell and is not going to take it anymore?
 
2012-11-28 07:02:21 PM
While I disagree with his comments about FNC he certainly is right about MSNBC and good on him for at least having applying the same standards to both outlets.

He's still wrong about FNC, though.
 
2012-11-28 07:12:04 PM

furiousxgeorge: MSNBC, which gives three hours every morning to a Gingrich Revolution Republican congressman and has non-opinion based news shows that are neutral to network standards is just like Fox which has zero liberal hosts of any kind and displays bias in what should be non-opinion based news broadcasts. 

Sorry, having some liberal opinion programs does not make them Fox. They have a conservative led program too, and remain neutral outside of opinion shows. Fox does not feature this sort of balance, it is wall to wall propaganda.


Yeah, that's been my observation as well. I think MSNBC falls squarely into the "reality has a liberal bias" category: yeah, they may have a point of view, but it's based on facts.
 
2012-11-28 07:27:11 PM
If it's not on BBC or NPR, it didn't happen.
 
2012-11-28 07:32:35 PM
It's a sad day when Comedy Central has the most balanced politics on cable: Daily Show for the liberals and Colbert Report for the conservatives.
 
2012-11-28 07:36:03 PM

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


Well, it sure ain't MSNBC.
 
2012-11-28 07:37:34 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: It is a false equivalency by a mile, but at least he can claim his integrity.


Only because you don't agree with it.
 
2012-11-28 07:39:23 PM
illegal.tender:

Yeah, that's been my observation as well. I think MSNBC falls squarely into the "reality has a liberal bias" category: yeah, they may have a point of view, but it's based on facts.

That is a trite statement. Why can't you come up with an original thought?

The difference between conservatives and liberals is the way each one weighs its values and prioritizes. It isn't a question of which side is congruent with facts. There are no "*right* answers here, only priorities.

Which is most fair?
1) Everyone pays the same dollar amount in taxes
2) Everyone pays the same percentage of their income in taxes
3) The more someone makes, the larger the percentage of their income they pay in taxes

Answer: There is no "most fair". Even within answer 3 there are an infinite number of ways to create a progressive tax plan.

The difference between Rs and Ds isn't facts vs fictions, its the differences in their values and the way you prioritize those values against one another.
 
2012-11-28 07:39:25 PM

Tumunga: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it sure ain't MSNBC.


You just have to pick what corporation you want news from. GE? Time Warner? Murdoch Enterprises? Disney?
 
2012-11-28 07:40:50 PM

InmanRoshi: AdolfOliverPanties: It is a false equivalency by a mile, but at least he can claim his integrity.

Even as a card carrying liberal, I can claim MSNBC jumped the journalistic shark when Al Sharpton is one of the main on air personalities. It's now officially useless "info-tainment".


Sure, but MSNBC has the influence of horse shiat on large numbers of people, so it is in some respects a falser analogy than most would like to see.
 
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