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(Washington Post)   Author booted from Benghazi interview for calling Fox a "wing of the Republican party" declines to go on MSNBC, saying, "You're just like Fox, but not as good at it"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 250
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2012-11-28 04:37:53 PM  

Earguy: Were I MSNBC I would have renewed the invitation to discuss his assertion. Would have been interesting, and would have put themselves above Fox in that they're willing to face it.


That would depend on their goals and motivations;
if good, balanced news is the goal - renew the invitation
if the goal is to enhance the glow of the left and soil the right - let the guy go count lobsters.
 
2012-11-28 04:38:08 PM  
Would someone kindly assplain to me why anybody in their right mind would claim to believe in, trust, or otherwise support or affiliate with either the GOP or DFL as they play out these days?
I am asstounded at the stupid demonstrated by both sets of "adults". These are "the best and brightest" "adults" considered successful, honest, worthy of Public Trust, and leaders of men and nations?
Shirley, just stop.
 
2012-11-28 04:38:51 PM  

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


Deutsche Welle?
 
2012-11-28 04:38:55 PM  
Rick's should really stand behind his assertions instead of popping-off and then talking about retiring to his lobster cabin. He's like the guy who thinks he cool because he slicked back his hair instead of shaking your hand.
 
2012-11-28 04:39:30 PM  
*Ricks even.
 
2012-11-28 04:40:23 PM  

cashdaddy: halfof33: Claiming that the Benghazi attack was similar to the last five attacks against embassies is nonsense, and to the extent he is calling out anyone, right or left, for stating so, he is an idiot.

Ah, there we go....right on cue....


Can you tell me exactly why it's so different? In terms of failures/coverups, how is it different from 9/11?
 
2012-11-28 04:42:10 PM  
I only watch news for signs of the apocolypse. That makes CBN the most reliable news source
 
2012-11-28 04:45:07 PM  

Jackson Herring: Oh yeah, both sides are totally bad.


MSNBC is not quite as blatantly partisan as Fox News so it doesn't count. Good to know.
 
2012-11-28 04:45:12 PM  

cman: zedster: I think the echo chamber that is created by having clearly partisan news organizations and the unclear line between news and opinion they create are horrible. Fox News and MSNBC are both supremely guilty of this and studies have shown Fox News and MSNBC viewers both being misguided on political topics. Going by matters of degree of wrong is pointless, both are bad in that they add to the echo chamber and help create our current climate of hyper-partisanship.

I have to give credit to this guy for being willing to call them out on it, but unless he finds away to parlay it into a further discussion it's not going to make any difference.

I get most of my news from Google News and I have to say being able to drop down the topic and see multiple sources is a great feature, but it requires active effort. Not sure I would support a return to a fairness doctrine, but maybe a clear guideline from the FCC about can be called news because much of what Fox News/ MSNBC report isn't.

/CNN attempts to be E! news are a whole other issue

The problem is is that we Americans dont want real news. We want Brangelina, we want to be scared out of our shoes, we want to be taught howtold what to think. News organizations cannot exist on news because people dont buy that crap. That is why we have Fox News and MSNBC, because it sells. Partisan news networks sell.


FTFY
 
2012-11-28 04:46:16 PM  

furiousxgeorge: MSNBC, which gives three hours every morning to a Gingrich Revolution Republican congressman and has non-opinion based news shows that are neutral to network standards is just like Fox which has zero liberal hosts of any kind and displays bias in what should be non-opinion based news broadcasts. 

Sorry, having some liberal opinion programs does not make them Fox. They have a conservative led program too, and remain neutral outside of opinion shows. Fox does not feature this sort of balance, it is wall to wall propaganda.


Yup... Morning Joe is essentially 3 hours of Joe Scarborough b*tching about Obama. I don't think anyone at Fox News has EVER praised Obama at any point in the last 4 years. I mean even when his job approval rating goes up, the Fox "pure news" anchors report as if someone had just shat on their desk.
 
2012-11-28 04:46:20 PM  

Jackson Herring: Oh yeah, both sides are totally bad.


your response looks tired
 
2012-11-28 04:47:37 PM  
halfof33
cashdaddy: Ah, there we go....right on cue....

well it would be hypocritical for me not to bash the douche when he is bashing the left.

He's just wrong, so maybe he should just go back to keeping lobsters off his lawn.


You are what independents call a partisan douche bag who is ruining the country. How dare someone not have blind loyalty to one side or the other.  fark you, you don't deserve a vote
 
2012-11-28 04:47:51 PM  

TimonC346: cashdaddy: halfof33: Claiming that the Benghazi attack was similar to the last five attacks against embassies is nonsense, and to the extent he is calling out anyone, right or left, for stating so, he is an idiot.

Ah, there we go....right on cue....

Can you tell me exactly why it's so different? In terms of failures/coverups, how is it different from 9/11?


The guy someone else didn't vote for was PoTUS. Sorry it's not exact, but that doesn't seem to matter much these days.
 
2012-11-28 04:48:25 PM  

DeltaPunch: furiousxgeorge: MSNBC, which gives three hours every morning to a Gingrich Revolution Republican congressman and has non-opinion based news shows that are neutral to network standards is just like Fox which has zero liberal hosts of any kind and displays bias in what should be non-opinion based news broadcasts. 

Sorry, having some liberal opinion programs does not make them Fox. They have a conservative led program too, and remain neutral outside of opinion shows. Fox does not feature this sort of balance, it is wall to wall propaganda.

Yup... Morning Joe is essentially 3 hours of Joe Scarborough b*tching about Obama. I don't think anyone at Fox News has EVER praised Obama at any point in the last 4 years. I mean even when his job approval rating goes up, the Fox "pure news" anchors report as if someone had just shat on their desk.


Does "Morning Joe" really count if nobody watches it?
 
2012-11-28 04:48:48 PM  

Cythraul: BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.

MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.


If you can't see that MSNBC is as biased as Fox News is then please do us all a favor and don't breed. And yeah, those of us who can see that both of those sources are worthless pushers of propaganda for their respective parties are superior to those of you that can't.
 
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2012-11-28 04:49:57 PM  

Brubold: Cythraul: BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.

MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.

If you can't see that MSNBC is as biased as Fox News is then please do us all a favor and don't breed. And yeah, those of us who can see that both of those sources are worthless pushers of propaganda for their respective parties are superior to those of you that can't.


It must be lonely up there, being superior to all us lesser people.
 
2012-11-28 04:50:42 PM  

falcon176: nice try libs but he apologized to Fox News and now he's on the attack biting the hand that USED to feed him.


You're joking, right? Some guy at Fox News says it, so it must be true? Ricks went to the newspapers and said something along the lines of "If I apologized, I would really like to know what I said." Fact is, he never apologized to Fox News, and I doubt he was ever fed by the hand he bit.
 
2012-11-28 04:51:25 PM  
I can't believe there are people defending MSNBC. Have you ever turned it on? They do the same lockstep bullshiat, even if you like one or two of their people. Pull the damned blinders off their eyes. It's not always wrong to say, "They're both as bad as the other," no matter how many of you infantile headjobs think you've discovered some clever point about the nature of the human intellect by touting its "fallacy" over and over.

There are plenty of excellent not-completely biased new sources (NPR, BBC, even occasionally (cough) CNN) out there, stop defending the ones that are awful, even if they happen to carry the standard for your political beliefs.
 
2012-11-28 04:51:29 PM  
This, I can fap to
 
2012-11-28 04:55:18 PM  

Cythraul: Brubold: Cythraul: BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.

MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.

If you can't see that MSNBC is as biased as Fox News is then please do us all a favor and don't breed. And yeah, those of us who can see that both of those sources are worthless pushers of propaganda for their respective parties are superior to those of you that can't.

It must be lonely up there, being superior to all us lesser people.


I can always just talk to myself. I do so love intelligent conversations.

/stolen from George Carlin
 
2012-11-28 04:55:52 PM  
They are all biased. MSNBC and Fox are receding into the right-wing distance. Al Jazzera keeps it pretty factual. I won't hold my breath for a news outlet to speak outside of its interest. Nice to round things out with the foreign sources, Reuters, BBC, RT, etc.

//don't forget
//wsws
 
2012-11-28 04:56:12 PM  
I like this guy's style. I'd like to party with him/subscribe to his newsletter.
 
2012-11-28 04:56:42 PM  
I'm surprised there's not more responses from people I have farkied in derptastic red on here cheering this guy on now that he's going after MSNBC.
 
2012-11-28 04:56:51 PM  

cman: zedster: cman: The problem is is that we Americans dont want real news. We want Brangelina, we want to be scared out of our shoes, we want to be taught how to think. News organizations cannot exist on news because people dont buy that crap. That is why we have Fox News and MSNBC, because it sells. Partisan news networks sell.

unless we try we will never know :-/
As anyone tried a more serious news station in the US market? I don't real consider AJE in that category based on the fact they have a large backing of ex-BBC people and target the Middle East and African stores, so not really US market oriented

Headline News was a subnetwork of CNN that had 30 minute news segments. They had no opinion at all, just newscast after newscast. That didnt sell, so it is the bullshiat that it is now


I never noticed that Headline News was not still around. Suppose having a TV and a cable subscription would help with that.
 
2012-11-28 04:57:54 PM  

zarberg: I'm surprised there's not more responses from people I have farkied in derptastic red on here cheering this guy on now that he's going after MSNBC.


You need to add more people to your list. There's plenty of them in here.
 
2012-11-28 04:59:53 PM  

The Southern Logic Company: Author booted from Benghazi interview for calling Fox a "wing of the Republican party" declines to go on MSNBC, saying, "You're just like Fox, but not as good at it"

Looks like MSNBC needs some
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You should have read TFA. He didn't accept their offer, and they replied to his comment with class.

When I talked to him Tuesday, he said yeah, actually, he had had some other TV invites, but we shouldn't waste too much time clicking around looking for his next appearance: "MSNBC invited me, but I said, 'You're just like Fox, but not as good at it.' They wrote back and said, 'Thank you for your candor.'"
 
2012-11-28 05:01:05 PM  
I do agree with him, But at least MSNBC admits that they swing left. Part of the fun of watching Fox is to see the feathers fly when you call them out

//Meddow is the only show really worth watching
 
2012-11-28 05:02:19 PM  
"Liberal truth"? That's a often-told lie, right?
 
2012-11-28 05:02:23 PM  
editorial bias =/= constant lying

MSNBC is clearly pro-Dem, and Fox News is clearly pro-GOP. Both have similar formats for many shows. But that's where the similarities end.
 
2012-11-28 05:03:12 PM  
MSNBC and FNC are media outlets not new organizations. Infotainment that tickles your fancy. You can argue all you want that MSNBC "isn't as bad" as FNC no one is going to stop you from mental masturbation. Its not as if MSNBC isn't trying to become the same machine as FNC they just haven't gotten the formula exact yet. All any of the networks do is side step issue and reassert your own position when challenged.
 
2012-11-28 05:04:30 PM  
I haven't really been paying attention. Is it just the libs who hate the 'both sides are bad' crowd, or does the right wing jump on them too?

/both sides are bad for different reasons
 
2012-11-28 05:04:40 PM  
People choose the flavor 'kool-aid' that tastes good to them; the problem with Fox is that they drank the kool-aid.

Imho people will always pitch a particular flavor of reality, but when you begin to believe your own BS and reality consistently is the opposite of what you're schilling... you're not helping the public debate.

But that isn't Fox's agenda. There are a lot of Fox kool-aid fans out there, and they really like it; the stronger the better. It would not surprise me if the older populace has to die off before Fox changes its model, there's just too much money in it.)

I used to work as an Intelligence analyst and the hardest thing to do is separate objective and subjective. Some, if not most people can not help themselves from cherry picking 'facts'; and 'crystal balling' what those particular facts mean - regardless if there is an overwhelming number of facts that dispute what they want to believe.
 
2012-11-28 05:04:47 PM  
Cythraul

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2012-11-28 04:49:57 PM
Brubold: Cythraul: BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.

MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.

If you can't see that MSNBC is as biased as Fox News is then please do us all a favor and don't breed. And yeah, those of us who can see that both of those sources are worthless pushers of propaganda for their respective parties are superior to those of you that can't.

It must be lonely up there, being superior to all us lesser people.


You have no idea how lonely it is. There are a shiat ton of you dumbasses
 
2012-11-28 05:05:25 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I do agree with him, But at least MSNBC admits that they swing left. Part of the fun of watching Fox is to see the feathers fly when you call them out


No, you see it's not that Fox is biased, it's that they tell "the other side" of the story.
 
2012-11-28 05:07:24 PM  

Gdalescrboz: You have no idea how lonely it is. There are a shiat ton of you dumbasses


You inspire me. I'll make an effort to be less of a burden on the independently intellectual in the future.
 
2012-11-28 05:07:27 PM  

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


He'll do a nice spread in Harper's Weekly.
 
2012-11-28 05:09:38 PM  

Lumpmoose: Anyone who thinks MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the Democrats is far over-estimating the ability of liberals to form and maintain coalitions.


I look at Democrats as cats and Republicans as dogs. It is very difficult to herd cats since they're far too individualistic and tend to have loose affiliations to their alphas. Meanwhile, dogs have an incredibly strong pack mentality and loyalty to the alpha. They also know that failure to submit results in banishment from the pack, where the chances of surviving on your own are low.

And on the subject of dogs, I always liked this comic:

images114.fotki.com
 
2012-11-28 05:11:53 PM  
robohobo

I haven't really been paying attention. Is it just the libs who hate the 'both sides are bad' crowd, or does the right wing jump on them too?


Both sides hate intelligent people
 
2012-11-28 05:12:34 PM  

flamingboar: Maddow is the only one I watch. Her voice is like honey to my ears.


So...the sound of a 15 year old boy talking while holding his nose = honey

mmmkay
 
2012-11-28 05:13:19 PM  
Fox News was created to be a propaganda arm of the Republican party.

MSNBC was created so General Electric could make more money from NBC News. Eventually they figured the existence of Fox News created a market demand for competing liberal-oriented programming and targeted that market.

See the difference?
 
2012-11-28 05:15:03 PM  

MrEricSir: ItchyMcDoogle: I do agree with him, But at least MSNBC admits that they swing left. Part of the fun of watching Fox is to see the feathers fly when you call them out

No, you see it's not that Fox is biased, it's that they tell "the other side" of the story.


Hello! Fox LATINO.

See, Fair and Balannnnnnnceeedddddddd
 
2012-11-28 05:16:34 PM  
So this is what cognitive dissonance on fark looks like.
 
2012-11-28 05:16:43 PM  
Well, it depends. Was Joe Scarborough going to interview him?
 
2012-11-28 05:18:00 PM  

Gr8Zen: Lexx:
Generally, wire services like the AP and Reuters are pretty unbiased, if lacking depth.

You might want to check the "facts" that AP puts out. They may not leave an obvious slant, but you their market is newspapers (and especially small town ones at that): they slant things by changing the "facts".

Favorite story: AP's description of Sarah Palin dropping the puck in Philly to polite applause. Utube: crowd acting like Phlyer fans.
 
2012-11-28 05:19:48 PM  
oh and i566.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-28 05:21:23 PM  
I are serious author. This are serious.
This guys sounds like a complete douchebag. Let me guess, he's a Libertarian.
 
2012-11-28 05:21:37 PM  
Speaking as a liberal who has never watched MSNBC, it does come across as a wannabe FN from what I've seen on fark. I don't really care that it's "not as" biased as Fox. Nothing is..

I have never heard of my liberal or democrat friends mention watching MSNBC. Whereas my Republican friends (and especially their parents (and i would assume ESPECIALLY their grandparents)) watch Fox constantly. So in that sense, this guy is right, they are like Fox (a pandering entertainment network masquerading as news in order to build a brand) but not as good at it.
 
2012-11-28 05:24:01 PM  

Lexx: The best journalism out there, right now, is Al Jazeera and the BBC. Considering the recent scandals, however, it might actually be Al Jazeera.

Scary world, eh?


Christian Science Monitor does a great job as well.
 
2012-11-28 05:25:48 PM  
BSABSVMSNBC?
 
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