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(Washington Post)   Author booted from Benghazi interview for calling Fox a "wing of the Republican party" declines to go on MSNBC, saying, "You're just like Fox, but not as good at it"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 250
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2012-11-28 01:15:37 PM
I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.
 
2012-11-28 01:17:51 PM
So, MSNBC is also a wing of the Republican Party?
 
2012-11-28 01:17:59 PM
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2012-11-28 01:27:20 PM
This will be a fun thread to watch

/POPCORN
 
2012-11-28 01:28:41 PM
Obviously a Liberal plant...
 
2012-11-28 01:29:45 PM
Anyone who thinks MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the Democrats is far over-estimating the ability of liberals to form and maintain coalitions.
 
2012-11-28 01:30:05 PM

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.
 
2012-11-28 01:30:13 PM
It is a false equivalency by a mile, but at least he can claim his integrity.
 
2012-11-28 01:30:41 PM
But all he wants, he says, is to get back to the little place in Maine where he spends most of his time, writing and occasionally venturing out to see who caught how many lobsters. And did I mention we should all be more like that?

Yeah, fark having jobs and shiat.
 
2012-11-28 01:30:46 PM
When I talked to him Tuesday, he said yeah, actually, he had had some other TV invites, but we shouldn't waste too much time clicking around looking for his next appearance: "MSNBC invited me, but I said, 'You're just like Fox, but not as good at it.' They wrote back and said, 'Thank you for your candor.'"

I like this guy.
 
2012-11-28 01:34:07 PM

JerseyTim: Yeah, fark having jobs and shiat.


Well, I know personally when I'm pushing 60, I don't want to retire. I still want to work 96 hours a week.

/derp.
 
2012-11-28 01:34:39 PM

cman: This will be a fun thread to watch


You seem to have an inordinate amount of fun watching threads.
 
2012-11-28 01:35:22 PM

BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.


MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.
 
2012-11-28 01:35:45 PM

sigdiamond2000: cman: This will be a fun thread to watch

You seem to have an inordinate amount of fun watching threads.


Of course I do.

There aint nothin better than scathenfrith
 
2012-11-28 01:36:42 PM

Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.


I can't say I disagree with "neither FNC or MSNBC."
 
2012-11-28 01:37:50 PM

Cythraul: MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.


MSNBC does not equal Fox News, you're absolutely right. It still doesn't mean they don't have an obvious bias. And to be fair, if you're NOT watching the news and taking everything in with a grain of skepticism on how it's reported or the follow-up there of, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-11-28 01:38:44 PM

sigdiamond2000: You seem to have an inordinate amount of fun watching threads.


Careful. He's looking at you on the monitor.

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2012-11-28 01:43:42 PM
True, that.
 
2012-11-28 01:53:32 PM
FTFA: But that an "Earth to Fox" message was calmly delivered by someone who also thinks MSNBC tells only half the story was extra enjoyable in my view, because seeking to please - the lobby, sources, TV producers, or anyone in a position of power - is the root of much wrong in this town. Politicians have a base, not journalists, and if you can't go up against your "team" on either the right or left, you have ceased to be that.

Can't really argue with that too much. Although part of the reason that people on the right can rip each other on Fox and people on the center-left can rip each other on MSNBC is because their respective audiences have already bought their bona fides. Olbermann and Maddow used to rip Obama to shreds just like people on Fox ripped W to shreds over the Harriet Miers fiasco back in the day.
 
2012-11-28 01:53:45 PM
Oh yeah, both sides are totally bad.
 
2012-11-28 01:56:14 PM
He's funny, I like him.
 
2012-11-28 02:09:53 PM
He's written several books (including Fiasco, which I have but haven't ready yet), but I read his blog: Best Defense, over at Foreign Policy.

Also, he could easily do the "Evil Santa Claus" costume.

/stubmitter
 
2012-11-28 02:12:30 PM
I like the cut of this man's jib.
 
2012-11-28 02:18:52 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So, MSNBC is also a wing of the Republican Party?


Wow, they really aren't very good, then.
 
2012-11-28 02:19:15 PM

Lumpmoose: Anyone who thinks MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the Democrats is far over-estimating the ability of liberals to form and maintain coalitions.


"I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat" - Will Rodgers.
 
2012-11-28 02:28:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So, MSNBC is also a wing of the Republican Party?

Wow, they really aren't very good, then.


Yeah, but just wait...when the inevitable Rachel Maddow/Megan McCain sex tape comes out...wowza!
 
2012-11-28 02:29:36 PM

Cythraul: BronyMedic: Cythraul: I wonder what his idea of a non-biased news source is, then.

Well, it's certainly not Infowars.

I do have to give this man a round of applause. At least he's sticking to his principles, and saying what a LOT of Americans feel at this moment. They're tired of the news not reporting the news, and instead spinning it to serve the agenda of a political faction.

MSNBC =/= Fox News. It's a bit of a false equivalency. His comment reeks of 'they're all bad, and I have now found a way to feel superior to it all.' Seems a bit egotistical.

So I'd really like to know which news sources he feels are legitimate and unbiased, if any.


Probably the Washington Post...
 
2012-11-28 02:32:55 PM

whistleridge: Lionel Mandrake: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So, MSNBC is also a wing of the Republican Party?

Wow, they really aren't very good, then.

Yeah, but just wait...when the inevitable Rachel Maddow/Megan McCain sex tape comes out...wowza!


not sure if fap
 
2012-11-28 02:36:50 PM
Say what you want about his opinion on FOX News, but he hit ACORNBC dead-on.
 
2012-11-28 02:47:52 PM
That is pretty much how I feel about the "news" it's pretty sad when I feel like all the best news programs are produced overseas.
 
2012-11-28 02:52:51 PM
So, is Benghazi a scandal yet?
 
2012-11-28 02:59:30 PM
Were I MSNBC I would have renewed the invitation to discuss his assertion. Would have been interesting, and would have put themselves above Fox in that they're willing to face it.
 
2012-11-28 03:00:49 PM

Mike_LowELL: Say what you want about his opinion on FOX News, but he hit ACORNBC dead-on.


I swear I've come to look forward to your posts more and more. And I'm taking notes.
 
2012-11-28 03:01:25 PM

Earguy: Were I MSNBC I would have renewed the invitation to discuss his assertion. Would have been interesting, and would have put themselves above Fox in that they're willing to face it.


Chances are, they probably did that, and he still refused. I've seen Maddow take on such accusations before in the past, and I'm sure she'd love to have him on her show.
 
2012-11-28 03:15:41 PM
I think the echo chamber that is created by having clearly partisan news organizations and the unclear line between news and opinion they create are horrible. Fox News and MSNBC are both supremely guilty of this and studies have shown Fox News and MSNBC viewers both being misguided on political topics. Going by matters of degree of wrong is pointless, both are bad in that they add to the echo chamber and help create our current climate of hyper-partisanship.

I have to give credit to this guy for being willing to call them out on it, but unless he finds away to parlay it into a further discussion it's not going to make any difference.

I get most of my news from Google News and I have to say being able to drop down the topic and see multiple sources is a great feature, but it requires active effort. Not sure I would support a return to a fairness doctrine, but maybe a clear guideline from the FCC about can be called news because much of what Fox News/ MSNBC report isn't.

/CNN attempts to be E! news are a whole other issue
 
2012-11-28 03:16:51 PM
I want to subscribe to this guy's newsletter.
 
2012-11-28 03:20:10 PM

zedster: I think the echo chamber that is created by having clearly partisan news organizations and the unclear line between news and opinion they create are horrible. Fox News and MSNBC are both supremely guilty of this and studies have shown Fox News and MSNBC viewers both being misguided on political topics. Going by matters of degree of wrong is pointless, both are bad in that they add to the echo chamber and help create our current climate of hyper-partisanship.

I have to give credit to this guy for being willing to call them out on it, but unless he finds away to parlay it into a further discussion it's not going to make any difference.

I get most of my news from Google News and I have to say being able to drop down the topic and see multiple sources is a great feature, but it requires active effort. Not sure I would support a return to a fairness doctrine, but maybe a clear guideline from the FCC about can be called news because much of what Fox News/ MSNBC report isn't.

/CNN attempts to be E! news are a whole other issue


The problem is is that we Americans dont want real news. We want Brangelina, we want to be scared out of our shoes, we want to be taught how to think. News organizations cannot exist on news because people dont buy that crap. That is why we have Fox News and MSNBC, because it sells. Partisan news networks sell.
 
2012-11-28 03:26:49 PM

cman: The problem is is that we Americans dont want real news. We want Brangelina, we want to be scared out of our shoes, we want to be taught how to think. News organizations cannot exist on news because people dont buy that crap. That is why we have Fox News and MSNBC, because it sells. Partisan news networks sell.


unless we try we will never know :-/
As anyone tried a more serious news station in the US market? I don't real consider AJE in that category based on the fact they have a large backing of ex-BBC people and target the Middle East and African stores, so not really US market oriented
 
2012-11-28 03:28:40 PM

zedster: cman: The problem is is that we Americans dont want real news. We want Brangelina, we want to be scared out of our shoes, we want to be taught how to think. News organizations cannot exist on news because people dont buy that crap. That is why we have Fox News and MSNBC, because it sells. Partisan news networks sell.

unless we try we will never know :-/
As anyone tried a more serious news station in the US market? I don't real consider AJE in that category based on the fact they have a large backing of ex-BBC people and target the Middle East and African stores, so not really US market oriented


Headline News was a subnetwork of CNN that had 30 minute news segments. They had no opinion at all, just newscast after newscast. That didnt sell, so it is the bullshiat that it is now
 
2012-11-28 03:49:21 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So, MSNBC is also a wing of the Republican Party?


Just not as good at it. And for that, I'm glad.
 
2012-11-28 03:50:27 PM
and was he thrown of MSNBC too or did they let him continue?
 
2012-11-28 04:10:24 PM
The media HATES it when you tell the truth.
 
2012-11-28 04:10:47 PM
That's funny.

However I believe MSNB is liberal biased but FOX is Republican party partisan.

Those are two very different things.
 
2012-11-28 04:11:05 PM

BronyMedic: MSNBC does not equal Fox News, you're absolutely right. It still doesn't mean they don't have an obvious bias. And to be fair, if you're NOT watching the news and taking everything in with a grain of skepticism on how it's reported or the follow-up there of, you're doing it wrong.


i think the problem i have with fox is that their bias pervades their entire organization. If i tune in to see a pundit, i generally expect some level of bias, because they are opinion people. But when i turn it on during the day, i expect to see normal news reporting, without a bias. When you watch MSNBC's pure news coverage, its just news. When you watch CNN's pure news coverage, its just news. When you watch Fox's pure news coverage, its still biased.
 
2012-11-28 04:11:06 PM

Lumpmoose: Anyone who thinks MSNBC is a mouthpiece for the Democrats is far over-estimating the ability of liberals to form and maintain coalitions.


Democrats aren't liberal. They'd be the conservatives in almost any other country on Earth
 
2012-11-28 04:11:27 PM
MSNBC is not as bad as Fox but I've been watching cable news more since before the election and yes, MSNBC is definitely soft on the Obama administration, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. If Bush had been pulling the same crap as Obama they would have been all over that sh*t.
 
2012-11-28 04:12:27 PM

Mike_LowELL: Say what you want about his opinion on FOX News, but he hit ACORNBC dead-on.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-28 04:12:29 PM
THAT would be the difference. I suspect he would be allowed to complete his thoughts had he appeared on the show.

I sort of think he's right, although I think their is a higher factual content to much of what MSNBC reports - I don't see them creating Benghazis out of mostly thin air, for example.

And he's sort of right in that fewer people watch, and in thrall to, the wit and wisdom of the various MSNBC pundits. But I think that speaks favorably about the channel.

I don't watch either Fox or MSNBC. I watch very local or PBS if I have to watch television news. I prefer NPR and Fark for my worldview.
 
2012-11-28 04:13:28 PM

sigdiamond2000: cman: This will be a fun thread to watch

You seem to have an inordinate amount of fun watching threads.


The problem is he doesn't just watch, he has to open his mouth.
 
2012-11-28 04:14:32 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: It is a false equivalency by a mile, but at least he can claim his integrity.


Even as a card carrying liberal, I can claim MSNBC jumped the journalistic shark when Al Sharpton is one of the main on air personalities. It's now officially useless "info-tainment".
 
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