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(Sports Illustrated)   Why did Maryland bolt for the Big Ten? The Athletic Department is broke and here is why   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 68
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2012-11-28 06:02:50 PM  

steamingpile: 39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.

Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.


Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.
 
2012-11-28 06:30:14 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: Maryland's athletic department is kind of notorious in the ACC. Still, broke or not, it's a smart move.


So notorious in fact, the Maryland AD was snatched up by fellow ACC school NC State faster than Jon Gruden can profess his love of football.
 
2012-11-28 06:31:56 PM  

constructor5179: steamingpile: 39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.

Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.

Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.


I agree academics takes a backseat to money. It's sad but true and you make a good point with Nebraska. However, what does Kansas bring except basketball? I understand the football program is okay but not great. It just doesn't seem like a good move to help bring the conference to 16. Thoughts?
 
2012-11-28 07:07:59 PM  
I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.

The investment failed when BBall and FBall tanked. Although if you really want to fauly her for wanting to improve on Maryland's craptatic facilities go ahead.

She doesn't have the same issue at NCSU. The major long-term expanding was done under Fowler. She just has to improve the coaches.
 
2012-11-28 07:17:29 PM  

39Smooth: constructor5179: steamingpile: 39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.

Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.

Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.

I agree academics takes a backseat to money. It's sad but true and you make a good point with Nebraska. However, what does Kansas bring except basketball? I understand the football program is okay but not great. It just doesn't seem like a good move to help bring the conference to 16. Thoughts?


Kansas brings nothing besides basketball really. But they are (currently) an AAU member, and in a border state to the Big10, which does count for something with the Big10 Presidents (who can be quirky at times). I figure part of the reason for Rutgers and Maryland is that they met the AAU and geography test on top of the TV footprint, which helped make them a fast, easy sell for Delany to the BIg10 presidents.
I looked at the list the other day, and there are no AAU schools with good football programs up for grabs. Really there are only about 6 (if memory serves) with any sort of athletic program. So I'm guessing in the next round that Delaney will go with 1 traditional AAU pick and 1 non-traditional pick that has good/decent football.
So really I don't see the next two picks as being schools that are great prestige/power boosters for the BIg10, but rather the best of whats left, and that will just depend on which conference collapses, Big12 or ACC.
 
2012-11-28 07:23:46 PM  
I was wondering how long it would be in the story or this thread that someone would find a way to blame this on Title IX.
 
2012-11-28 07:53:13 PM  

js34603: Someone should step in and just organize these conferences into 16 team conglomerates. That's what they're all shooting for anyway, so they can play Soda/Internet Fad sponsored Conference Championship games and get the big TV bucks from the networks.

Eight 16 team conferences, two 8 team divisions, division champs play for the conference, conference champs head to the new vastly simpler playoff system with the 8 conference champs seeded by record.


Aren't you the same guy that was advocating a similar playoff a couple of weeks ago? If so you are obviously incapable of understanding reality or are trolling for giggles. You think the power conferences are going to give equal standing to a bunch of minor league cobbled together conferences because the math looks nice? You seriously believe the winner of a 16 team SEC or Big12/10 (whatever either would be) has any interest in playing the winner of a leftover WAC/BigSky combo platter? Or that anyone else has any interest in seeing it?

Whatever, you are clearly just dragging a line to see what bites. So you got me. If not you're functionally retarded.
 
2012-11-28 08:06:01 PM  

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.


And you obviously didn't read the comments, because that debt disappeared the instant that athletic scholarships were put upon the university, as opposed to the AD.

Yow farked us over big time. She's making power moves at NCSU now and could potentially cripple their revenue sports in ~5 years as well.
 
2012-11-28 08:14:45 PM  

constructor5179: Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.


The way it works is that the AAU caps its membership at (I think) 60. If a university is teetering, they get a warning and then get ten years to fix it. Nebraska was in a weird situation because they get a lot of USDA money which doesn't count for the AAU calculations for some reason, and because the way their university is structured, they weren't getting credit for some of their units like other schools were. As much as I enjoyed watching them get kicked out, I think it was probably a railroading. The AAU has been trying to get more exclusive for a while and they basically traded Nebraska for Georgia Tech.
 
2012-11-28 08:35:08 PM  
This man will be a senior in 2014. Welcome to your nightmare, boys.

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2012-11-28 08:55:15 PM  

SlothB77: RickyWilliams'sBong: Maryland's athletic department is kind of notorious in the ACC. Still, broke or not, it's a smart move.

So notorious in fact, the Maryland AD was snatched up by fellow ACC school NC State faster than Jon Gruden can profess his love of football.


Well, nobody ever accused NC State of being particularly smart.

Had interested universities managed to get a candid glimpse of the bag Maryland was left holding after Yow's decade and a half of "leadership," she likely would be employed somewhere other than NC State... after a notably lengthier and less option-rich job search.
 
2012-11-29 12:06:52 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Maryland made a profoundly good move. I say this as a Big Ten alumn who wishes things had just remained the damn same.


As a Big Ten alum who grew up minutes from UMd I feel the same way. It's a smart move for MD, and I'm sure all the B1G alumni groups in DC love this, and the TV money is going to be awesome. At the same time, every time you add a school, that's a few less times you get to play your traditional rivals that you've been playing for years. As it stands with 14 teams, every football season you'll miss out on playing 5/13 or 38% of your conference. When you split that into divisions you're literally going 6 years or so without hosting certain teams, even with a 9th conference game.
 
2012-11-29 01:27:13 AM  

balki1867: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Maryland made a profoundly good move. I say this as a Big Ten alumn who wishes things had just remained the damn same.

As a Big Ten alum who grew up minutes from UMd I feel the same way. It's a smart move for MD, and I'm sure all the B1G alumni groups in DC love this, and the TV money is going to be awesome. At the same time, every time you add a school, that's a few less times you get to play your traditional rivals that you've been playing for years. As it stands with 14 teams, every football season you'll miss out on playing 5/13 or 38% of your conference. When you split that into divisions you're literally going 6 years or so without hosting certain teams, even with a 9th conference game.


9 games means, no more of the pointless FCS opponent that shouldn't count as a FBS win.
 
2012-11-29 05:37:43 AM  

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa.


One article can't tell you all of the shiat Maryland fans have put up with for over a decade. Her "erasing a 50 million debt" was done in the same manner that Bush keep the war in Iraq off of the books. Move the debt to a different ledger and magically it disappears.
 
2012-11-29 09:01:26 AM  

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.

The investment failed when BBall and FBall tanked. Although if you really want to fauly her for wanting to improve on Maryland's craptatic facilities go ahead.

She doesn't have the same issue at NCSU. The major long-term expanding was done under Fowler. She just has to improve the coaches.


The $50 million in debt stuff has been explained already.

Obviously the fact that the football team was on the decline hurt the overall budget, but the fact is that she kept spending. If you got a pay decrease at work, you wouldn't increase your spending while taking money out of your 401K to cover the difference, you'd cut back and try to balance your budget. Our 401K is now drained and we're left trying to right the ship.

She doesn't appear to have the same issues at NC State yet, but it's only been 2 years. She just announced that they are building a new indoor practice facility for the football program that hasn't been funded yet. Took her 16 years to bankrupt us.
 
2012-11-29 09:21:39 AM  

degenerate-afro: timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa.

One article can't tell you all of the shiat Maryland fans have put up with for over a decade. Her "erasing a 50 million debt" was done in the same manner that Bush keep the war in Iraq off of the books. Move the debt to a different ledger and magically it disappears.


And that people ignored she used profitable sports to prop up money losing sports then ignored it when the problem started to surface and then bailed on the program after farking them over.
 
2012-11-29 10:07:46 AM  

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.


She did absolutely nothing to make that debt disappear, as others have already pointed out. Then she went ahead and dug another, deeper hole.

But I realize given your location you need to convince yourself she'll be good for the NCST athletic department. Good luck with all that.
 
2012-11-29 10:15:26 AM  

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.

The investment failed when BBall and FBall tanked. Although if you really want to fauly her for wanting to improve on Maryland's craptatic facilities go ahead.

She doesn't have the same issue at NCSU. The major long-term expanding was done under Fowler. She just has to improve the coaches.


Good luck with that! She does not have much of a track record to stand on there.
 
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