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2012-11-28 11:13:53 AM
Meanwhile, Louisville will be operating the largest athletic budget in the ACC.
 
2012-11-28 11:20:42 AM
ACC 2014 = Big East 2007
Big East 2014 = C-USA 2007
C-USA 2014 = WAC 2014
 
2012-11-28 11:30:05 AM
Now they need to update their themesong.
 
Hail, hail, fighting Terps.
War is hell we're stomping twerps.
The Big Ten is in heaven,
as we've just amped it up to eleven.
Turtles in a half shell!
They're the world's most fearsome fighting team (We're really hip!)
They're heroes in a half-shell and they're green (Hey - get a grip!) 
 
All our foes are wary
as we hail from the land of Mary!
 
STAY IN SCHOOL!
DON'T DO DRUGS!
 
2012-11-28 01:09:20 PM
If the ACC adds Louisville and UConn, the Big East is dead as a basketball conference.
 
2012-11-28 01:10:37 PM
it's all about money, money, money...
 
2012-11-28 01:12:16 PM
Fark Debbie Yow.
 
2012-11-28 01:17:49 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.


Yep.

It is going to take 10 more years to get rid of her stank.
 
2012-11-28 01:28:30 PM
The NCAA, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2012-11-28 01:34:33 PM

Broktun: Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.

Yep.

It is going to take 10 more years to get rid of her stank.


Serious question, and because that article is kind of all over the place with symptoms and implied blame, but how does it come back to her? Was it simply pissing off Williams, or did she mismanage the department in a more fundamental way?
 
2012-11-28 01:35:36 PM
Maryland's athletic department is kind of notorious in the ACC. Still, broke or not, it's a smart move.
 
2012-11-28 01:39:02 PM
Someone should step in and just organize these conferences into 16 team conglomerates. That's what they're all shooting for anyway, so they can play Soda/Internet Fad sponsored Conference Championship games and get the big TV bucks from the networks.

Eight 16 team conferences, two 8 team divisions, division champs play for the conference, conference champs head to the new vastly simpler playoff system with the 8 conference champs seeded by record.
 
2012-11-28 01:41:55 PM

js34603: Someone should step in and just organize these conferences into 16 team conglomerates. That's what they're all shooting for anyway, so they can play Soda/Internet Fad sponsored Conference Championship games and get the big TV bucks from the networks.

Eight 16 team conferences, two 8 team divisions, division champs play for the conference, conference champs head to the new vastly simpler playoff system with the 8 conference champs seeded by record.


Never work. Not enough ass kissing, room for corruption, or payoffs.
 
2012-11-28 01:44:49 PM
Why did Maryland bolt for the Big Ten? The Athletic Department is broke

www.in-sect.com

Dude, you have to give me time to guess.
 
2012-11-28 01:45:12 PM

lunchinlewis: Broktun: Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.

Yep.

It is going to take 10 more years to get rid of her stank.

Serious question, and because that article is kind of all over the place with symptoms and implied blame, but how does it come back to her? Was it simply pissing off Williams, or did she mismanage the department in a more fundamental way?


I think it was she was focused on facilities while ignoring the revenue generators. And starting the wheels to fire Friedgen.
 
2012-11-28 01:54:18 PM
they cut track & field and swimming and tennis completely. they have no attendance for football. they have no attendance for basketball except for UNC and Duke, but a brand new basketball arena.

rutgers isn't any better.
 
2012-11-28 02:00:30 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.


THIS.

She wants HER people in, consequence be dammed.
 
2012-11-28 02:01:11 PM
*damned

/Seriously, android?
 
2012-11-28 02:01:18 PM

IanMoone: I think it was she was focused on facilities while ignoring the revenue generators. And starting the wheels to fire Friedgen.


Yup. Whole lotta this. I get why schools are adding the luxury boxes and suites to attract big dollar donors, but Byrd Stadium is a dump of a place to watch football....

And Yow is NC State's problem now. And shocking - Tom O'Brien was just let go on Sunday.
 
2012-11-28 02:04:37 PM

lunchinlewis: Broktun: Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.

Yep.

It is going to take 10 more years to get rid of her stank.

Serious question, and because that article is kind of all over the place with symptoms and implied blame, but how does it come back to her? Was it simply pissing off Williams, or did she mismanage the department in a more fundamental way?


Her most heinous crime was engaging in a personal vendetta against Gary Williams, a man who had taken over a basketball program that was in the toilet and transformed it into a national champion in barely a decade. The revenue generated by that program's success was funneled into non-revenue sports so Yow (one of the biggest Title IX proponents) could boast a successful women's athletics program. There were a few years in which the women's assistant basketball coaches made more than the men's assistants, who were part of the biggest money maker in the athletic department. And of course there were the famous battles with Gary over recruits.

So while the women's field hockey and lacrosse teams were dominating she was fighting Gary tooth-and-nail over recruits, then when she finished digging the enormous financial hole, she left.
 
2012-11-28 02:06:12 PM

cashdaddy: IanMoone: I think it was she was focused on facilities while ignoring the revenue generators. And starting the wheels to fire Friedgen.

Yup. Whole lotta this. I get why schools are adding the luxury boxes and suites to attract big dollar donors, but Byrd Stadium is a dump of a place to watch football....

And Yow is NC State's problem now. And shocking - Tom O'Brien was just let go on Sunday.


She can say what she wants about wanting a recruiter and all that noise, but I'm convinced that had TOB had the same record but still won against UVA or UNC (especially UNC), he'd still have a job in Raleigh. This was pure ego at work.
 
2012-11-28 02:12:11 PM

IanMoone: lunchinlewis: Broktun: Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.

Yep.

It is going to take 10 more years to get rid of her stank.

Serious question, and because that article is kind of all over the place with symptoms and implied blame, but how does it come back to her? Was it simply pissing off Williams, or did she mismanage the department in a more fundamental way?

I think it was she was focused on facilities while ignoring the revenue generators. And starting the wheels to fire Friedgen.


She pissed off the donors.
She spent money putting in luxury boxes in Byrd stadium, and then did not sell enough of them to pay the loan.
 
2012-11-28 02:13:11 PM

Tetsujin Chico: She can say what she wants about wanting a recruiter and all that noise, but I'm convinced that had TOB had the same record but still won against UVA or UNC (especially UNC), he'd still have a job in Raleigh. This was pure ego at work.


Completely agree with you. As a UNC alum, I always hated our losses to NC State, but I have a lot of respect for O'Brien as a coach. God help State's programs while Yow is there; I'm sure she'll depart and retire when the place completely dysfunctional.
 
2012-11-28 02:52:01 PM
For all the yammering about schools making tons of money on sports, the vast majority of schools lose their asses having an athletic department. Most of the Big Ten, though, makes money (along with nearly every school in the SEC). Other than that? Not a whole lot of schools do.

Let's be completely honest, though, this is 100% about money for all involved. Maryland and Rutgers are losing money having an athletic department. The Big Ten wants to seen BTN to cable providers in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, and DC.

Which is why it's annoying for fans of existing Big Ten teams -- it's not like the conference is getting some location relevant teams or competitive teams -- If they brought in Pitt or Kansas or Oklahoma or Oklahoma State, that would be awesome. Maryland and Rutgers, though? Eh...
 
2012-11-28 02:56:01 PM

cashdaddy: Tetsujin Chico: She can say what she wants about wanting a recruiter and all that noise, but I'm convinced that had TOB had the same record but still won against UVA or UNC (especially UNC), he'd still have a job in Raleigh. This was pure ego at work.

Completely agree with you. As a UNC alum, I always hated our losses to NC State, but I have a lot of respect for O'Brien as a coach. God help State's programs while Yow is there; I'm sure she'll depart and retire when the place completely dysfunctional.


Same here. Class of '02. You?
 
2012-11-28 03:23:16 PM

meanmutton: For all the yammering about schools making tons of money on sports, the vast majority of schools lose their asses having an athletic department. Most of the Big Ten, though, makes money (along with nearly every school in the SEC). Other than that? Not a whole lot of schools do.

Let's be completely honest, though, this is 100% about money for all involved. Maryland and Rutgers are losing money having an athletic department. The Big Ten wants to seen BTN to cable providers in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, and DC.

Which is why it's annoying for fans of existing Big Ten teams -- it's not like the conference is getting some location relevant teams or competitive teams -- If they brought in Pitt or Kansas or Oklahoma or Oklahoma State, that would be awesome. Maryland and Rutgers, though? Eh...


I agree it is mostly about money, this is what higher education has become, but them not being competitive? I am pretty sure Maryland is going to compete darn well is every sport save football. Rutgers I have no idea about honestly other than the football program is pretty decent this year. Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.
 
2012-11-28 03:25:21 PM

Hillbilly Jim: js34603: Someone should step in and just organize these conferences into 16 team conglomerates. That's what they're all shooting for anyway, so they can play Soda/Internet Fad sponsored Conference Championship games and get the big TV bucks from the networks.

Eight 16 team conferences, two 8 team divisions, division champs play for the conference, conference champs head to the new vastly simpler playoff system with the 8 conference champs seeded by record.

Never work. Not enough ass kissing, room for corruption, or payoffs.


There's plenty of room for corruption, ass kissing, and payoffs, I swear!

/it won't happen though, I agree, there's much MORE room for those things in the current system
 
2012-11-28 03:27:37 PM
CSB Time - I turned down a partial athletic scholarship to MD for track and field. I ended up at a division II school with a program 10x more competitive at the national level. Back then MD was just doing whatever they could to get talent together, but no one was biting.

The coach literally walked over to me and started chatting me up not 10 mins after I had stepped off the track at the state championships.

/CSB over
//Haven't done any serious running in a decade anyway...
 
2012-11-28 03:31:58 PM
Yow? Loh.....
 
2012-11-28 03:34:29 PM
This seems like an obvious move for Maryland. "Early estimates indicate Maryland could earn $100 million more in the Big Ten by 2020." Probably half of the schools in the country would join the Big 10 if they could get invited. The real article should be, "Why is the Big 10 inviting a broke-ass university?"
 
2012-11-28 03:38:08 PM

lunchinlewis: Broktun: Yanks_RSJ: Fark Debbie Yow.

Yep.

It is going to take 10 more years to get rid of her stank.

Serious question, and because that article is kind of all over the place with symptoms and implied blame, but how does it come back to her? Was it simply pissing off Williams, or did she mismanage the department in a more fundamental way?


Pissing off the coaches aside, she did a horrible job managing the finances of the department in an effort to pursue her own goals.

When things were going well 10 years ago, she started investing in pet projects of hers. She really wanted a Sears cup and invested heavily in those lower tier sports while cutting money from the sports that actually bring in revenue. For example the womens basketball team had the highest paid assistants in the ACC while the Mens basketball team had some of the lowest. We also added a TON of sports which would come back to bite us later on. As has been mentioned, she also decided to expand Tyser tower to include Suites which aren't that great (no private bathrooms, no alcohol until this past year, etc) and were told that we wouldn't be able to sell. When things started to decline and the money wasn't rolling in like it was earlier, she drew from future funds to make the difference. When we opened Comcast, we sold the naming rights for 25 years, payable over a number of years. That money was intended to be used to beef up our endowment and is completely gone now.

When Debbie left for NC State, we were broke. Kevin Anderson came in, looked at the books and saw what she left. That is why we had to cut all of those sports months ago. We hadn't had the money to support them for years, but they were kept around by dipping into savings and hoping that things would get better.

She lists among her accomplishments that she took a department that was $50 million in debt and reduced it to nothing, but even that wasn't her own doing. The year before she became the AD, athletic scholarships switched from being charged to the AD and instead were charged to the University. There was also deal done between the University and Pepsi, which also brought in tons of money to the athletic dept because of sales at games. That was something that she completely lucked into, but doesn't acknowledge them as being the reasons the debt was erased.

Also she has an honorary doctorate and made people refer to her as Dr. Yow and she put herself in the MD Athletic Hall of Fame.

GOOD RIDDANCE!
 
2012-11-28 03:38:27 PM

Snort: If the ACC adds Louisville and UConn, the Big East is dead as a basketball conference.


FTFY
 
2012-11-28 03:45:05 PM

ArkPanda: The real article should be, "Why is the Big 10 inviting a broke-ass university?"


Well, the Big Ten didn't have a whiff (within reason) of the D.C and NYC television markets until just now.

I mean, yeah, not every person in NYC is going to watch Rutgers play Minnesota on the Big Ten Network, but still; this was just as much a money grab for the Big Ten as it was for Maryland.
 
2012-11-28 03:47:13 PM

ArkPanda: This seems like an obvious move for Maryland. "Early estimates indicate Maryland could earn $100 million more in the Big Ten by 2020." Probably half of the schools in the country would join the Big 10 if they could get invited. The real article should be, "Why is the Big 10 inviting a broke-ass university?"


Because that broke-ass University is in the middle of the Washington DC and Baltimore markets. You force the local cable providers hand to add the Big Ten Network to their basic package and Maryland brings to the Big Ten more than the Big Ten Network will pay Maryland.
 
2012-11-28 03:57:40 PM

ArkPanda: This seems like an obvious move for Maryland. "Early estimates indicate Maryland could earn $100 million more in the Big Ten by 2020." Probably half of the schools in the country would join the Big 10 if they could get invited. The real article should be, "Why is the Big 10 inviting a broke-ass university?"


Does that include the $50 million they're probably going to have to pay the ACC for leaving?

The ACC is PISSED about UMD leaving - they filed suit to recover 100% of it - and I doubt anything other than a court ruling will let UMD pay anything less.

// Terp '06
// also, PoochUMD and others, you do realize that the WBB program at UMD was (is?) a top-5 program since 2002-3ish (if not earlier) - they've won a championship or two and had season #1 weeks a-plenty
// not that that suddenly makes WBB better or more profitable than Men's (sorry, facts of life), but it was a damn fine program during Yow's spendy days (and her obsession with Title IX has doomed us all to the can't-count-y fate of being in the B14G)
 
2012-11-28 04:05:41 PM

Dr Dreidel: // also, PoochUMD and others, you do realize that the WBB program at UMD was (is?) a top-5 program since 2002-3ish (if not earlier) - they've won a championship or two and had season #1 weeks a-plenty
// not that that suddenly makes WBB better or more profitable than Men's (sorry, facts of life), but it was a damn fine program during Yow's spendy days (and her obsession with Title IX has doomed us all to the can't-count-y fate of being in the B14G)


I do realize that. I also realize the folly in spending that much money on non-revenue sports to win the farking Sears Cup with Maryland's overall athletic budget. If you're Texas and you have 9 trillion dollars, go nuts.
 
2012-11-28 04:07:37 PM

Dr Dreidel: Terp '06


Also, Yow's resignation prompted me to join the Terrapin Club. The move to the Big10 inspired me to triple my annual contribution. Maryland alums need to realize that if more people simply donated $55/yr (the minimum), our athletic department would be in much better shape.

/Terp '01
 
2012-11-28 04:09:37 PM

Dr Dreidel: ArkPanda: This seems like an obvious move for Maryland. "Early estimates indicate Maryland could earn $100 million more in the Big Ten by 2020." Probably half of the schools in the country would join the Big 10 if they could get invited. The real article should be, "Why is the Big 10 inviting a broke-ass university?"

Does that include the $50 million they're probably going to have to pay the ACC for leaving?

The ACC is PISSED about UMD leaving - they filed suit to recover 100% of it - and I doubt anything other than a court ruling will let UMD pay anything less.

// Terp '06
// also, PoochUMD and others, you do realize that the WBB program at UMD was (is?) a top-5 program since 2002-3ish (if not earlier) - they've won a championship or two and had season #1 weeks a-plenty
// not that that suddenly makes WBB better or more profitable than Men's (sorry, facts of life), but it was a damn fine program during Yow's spendy days (and her obsession with Title IX has doomed us all to the can't-count-y fate of being in the B14G)


That projected $100 million does not include the exit fee, but ACC execs have said they feel they have gotten stronger by replacing MD with Louisville, so I don't know how they are going to argue that MD leaving is costing them that much money.

And I'm well aware that Brenda got a national championship (just one) as did other sports like field hockey, women's lacrosse, competitive cheer, etc. That doesn't mean we should have been throwing money into them knowing you would never see a return on it.
 
2012-11-28 04:14:39 PM

Dr Dreidel: ArkPanda: This seems like an obvious move for Maryland. "Early estimates indicate Maryland could earn $100 million more in the Big Ten by 2020." Probably half of the schools in the country would join the Big 10 if they could get invited. The real article should be, "Why is the Big 10 inviting a broke-ass university?"

Does that include the $50 million they're probably going to have to pay the ACC for leaving?

The ACC is PISSED about UMD leaving - they filed suit to recover 100% of it - and I doubt anything other than a court ruling will let UMD pay anything less.

// Terp '06
// also, PoochUMD and others, you do realize that the WBB program at UMD was (is?) a top-5 program since 2002-3ish (if not earlier) - they've won a championship or two and had season #1 weeks a-plenty
// not that that suddenly makes WBB better or more profitable than Men's (sorry, facts of life), but it was a damn fine program during Yow's spendy days (and her obsession with Title IX has doomed us all to the can't-count-y fate of being in the B14G)


Actually, Maryland has an excellent case of only paying a partial amount of it (far less than the $50 million that's for sure). They've never agreed to the fee every time it was voted for. The other school who never agreed to it? FSU. If Maryland wins, FSU is probably gone.
 
2012-11-28 04:18:16 PM

Tetsujin Chico: cashdaddy: Tetsujin Chico: She can say what she wants about wanting a recruiter and all that noise, but I'm convinced that had TOB had the same record but still won against UVA or UNC (especially UNC), he'd still have a job in Raleigh. This was pure ego at work.

Completely agree with you. As a UNC alum, I always hated our losses to NC State, but I have a lot of respect for O'Brien as a coach. God help State's programs while Yow is there; I'm sure she'll depart and retire when the place completely dysfunctional.

Same here. Class of '02. You?


'96.

Was a freshman when I got to see George Lynch and Eric Montrose win the national championship in '93. Watched Mack Brown really build up the football program during my time as well, only to graduate and then see him leave for Texas a year later.....
 
2012-11-28 04:23:09 PM
Yow raided the coffers of the revenue-generating sports to finance sports like women's basketball, then neglected the revenue-generating sports. She had an enmity to football and basketball because they were so popular. They were her golden goose used to finance the other sports, but she killed it. And then guess what - the department gets so in the red they have cut track & field and swimming and tennis and all those unpopular sports she tried to prop up.
 
2012-11-28 04:27:21 PM
Dr Dreidel: Does that include the $50 million they're probably going to have to pay the ACC for leaving?

The ACC is PISSED about UMD leaving - they filed suit to recover 100% of it - and I doubt anything other than a court ruling will let UMD pay anything less.



In order:

1. It is possible that Maryland itself will not have to pay any of the exit fee, regardless of how large the fee is. Such are the benefits of having a wealthy friend.

2. Nothing short of a court ruling will compel Maryland to pay the full exit fee. To date, Maryland has formally agreed to pay zero. The ACC has sued and will have to show that $50M+ is not overly punitive. Maryland will argue that the ACC's demand for $52M is ridiculous because there is absolutely no way to demonstrate that the ACC will suffer anywhere near that amount of damage when Maryland leaves... particularly given that Louisville is currently waiting in the wings while UConn hides behind a dumpster out in the parking lot hoping for its phone to ring. $52M is three times the conference's operating budget. Absurd.

Expect a settlement in the $20-30M range. Still a lot of cash -- more than Maryland would prefer to be on the hook for, and less than the ACC would like to get.
 
2012-11-28 04:40:00 PM

PoochUMD: That projected $100 million does not include the exit fee, but ACC execs have said they feel they have gotten stronger by replacing MD with Louisville, so I don't know how they are going to argue that MD leaving is costing them that much money.


From what I understand, that exit fee isn't to make up lost revenue, it's a reverse door charge - like Canada's exit fee, you've gotta pay to leave.

Plus, from that same news story, the ACC's statements appeared to express a measure of "spurned-lover" animosity. MD is a founding school in the ACC, and them leaving (and FSU later, and probably everyone but Duke-UNC, so that they can form a conference of their own liking) blows a big hole in their credibility/history/standing. I think the ACC just wants to make leaving as painful as possible for MD - and rightfully so.

mrjah: It is possible that Maryland itself will not have to pay any of the exit fee, regardless of how large the fee is. Such are the benefits of having a wealthy friend.


Do you mean they'll pass it on to taxpayers? Because that's AWESOME. The same way the school's budget was cut like 5 years running, figuring "we'll make it up with tuition hikes. Everyone likes those, right?"

I didn't really like C. Danforth Mote III (even though he's a pretty good guy, and a fine interview subject), but he's looking far better as president than Loh.
 
2012-11-28 04:41:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: Do you mean they'll pass it on to taxpayers? Because that's AWESOME.


Kevin Plank will protect his house.
 
2012-11-28 04:42:08 PM
So its a woman's fault? Shocker...
 
2012-11-28 04:44:13 PM

imapirate: Meanwhile, Louisville will be operating the largest athletic budget in the ACC.


Thats noy saying much, its the ACC and they have to make sure they get enough money to defend its department from the next NCAA investigation that seems to follow their basketball coach around.
 
2012-11-28 04:51:27 PM

39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.


Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.
 
2012-11-28 05:09:15 PM

Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.


Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.
 
2012-11-28 05:21:42 PM

39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.


Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.
 
2012-11-28 05:34:17 PM

mrjah: Expect a settlement in the $20-30M range. Still a lot of cash -- more than Maryland would prefer to be on the hook for, and less than the ACC would like to get.


My guess is it's going to be $23.5 mil.

Dr Dreidel: Do you mean they'll pass it on to taxpayers?


Loh already said it would not fall to taxpayers.

Ok let's have a quick history lesson. So far, the largest conference buyout for a college is West Virginia, at $20 million. However, a large chunk (unspecified as far as I know) was actually to get the Big East to waive their 27 month waiting period. Other notable team buyouts: Mizzou and Texas A&M - $12.41 mil, Pitt and Syracuse - $7.5 mil, Nebraska - $9.25 mil, Colorado - $6.86 mil. Knowing all of that, even if only $20 mil is enforced, it will be the largest buyout ever. Keep in mind that the ACC has a horrible TV contract which won't be restructured for another 4 or 5 years.
 
2012-11-28 05:51:52 PM
Maryland made a profoundly good move. I say this as a Big Ten alumn who wishes things had just remained the damn same.

But, no matter how screwy things go under previous leadership, they're going to be swimming in cash they didn't have before. The difference in media payouts between the conferences is silly. And, with the ACC's two-man circle jerk between UNC and Duke, I wouldn't blame some of the stronger schools to get the hell out of there.
 
2012-11-28 06:02:50 PM

steamingpile: 39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.

Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.


Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.
 
2012-11-28 06:30:14 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Maryland's athletic department is kind of notorious in the ACC. Still, broke or not, it's a smart move.


So notorious in fact, the Maryland AD was snatched up by fellow ACC school NC State faster than Jon Gruden can profess his love of football.
 
2012-11-28 06:31:56 PM

constructor5179: steamingpile: 39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.

Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.

Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.


I agree academics takes a backseat to money. It's sad but true and you make a good point with Nebraska. However, what does Kansas bring except basketball? I understand the football program is okay but not great. It just doesn't seem like a good move to help bring the conference to 16. Thoughts?
 
2012-11-28 07:07:59 PM
I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.

The investment failed when BBall and FBall tanked. Although if you really want to fauly her for wanting to improve on Maryland's craptatic facilities go ahead.

She doesn't have the same issue at NCSU. The major long-term expanding was done under Fowler. She just has to improve the coaches.
 
2012-11-28 07:17:29 PM

39Smooth: constructor5179: steamingpile: 39Smooth: Arxane: 39Smooth: Also, Kansas and Oklahoma are not up to par academically for the B1G.

Kansas is a member of the AAU (since 1909), so they fit the academic profile of the B1G.

Barely, there has been talk of them being expelled for a while now. The B1G wouldn't go near them because of that.

Lines are being drawn and academics aren't going to matter soon, money rules all colleges and athletics is a big part of soliciting donations now.

Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.

I agree academics takes a backseat to money. It's sad but true and you make a good point with Nebraska. However, what does Kansas bring except basketball? I understand the football program is okay but not great. It just doesn't seem like a good move to help bring the conference to 16. Thoughts?


Kansas brings nothing besides basketball really. But they are (currently) an AAU member, and in a border state to the Big10, which does count for something with the Big10 Presidents (who can be quirky at times). I figure part of the reason for Rutgers and Maryland is that they met the AAU and geography test on top of the TV footprint, which helped make them a fast, easy sell for Delany to the BIg10 presidents.
I looked at the list the other day, and there are no AAU schools with good football programs up for grabs. Really there are only about 6 (if memory serves) with any sort of athletic program. So I'm guessing in the next round that Delaney will go with 1 traditional AAU pick and 1 non-traditional pick that has good/decent football.
So really I don't see the next two picks as being schools that are great prestige/power boosters for the BIg10, but rather the best of whats left, and that will just depend on which conference collapses, Big12 or ACC.
 
2012-11-28 07:23:46 PM
I was wondering how long it would be in the story or this thread that someone would find a way to blame this on Title IX.
 
2012-11-28 07:53:13 PM

js34603: Someone should step in and just organize these conferences into 16 team conglomerates. That's what they're all shooting for anyway, so they can play Soda/Internet Fad sponsored Conference Championship games and get the big TV bucks from the networks.

Eight 16 team conferences, two 8 team divisions, division champs play for the conference, conference champs head to the new vastly simpler playoff system with the 8 conference champs seeded by record.


Aren't you the same guy that was advocating a similar playoff a couple of weeks ago? If so you are obviously incapable of understanding reality or are trolling for giggles. You think the power conferences are going to give equal standing to a bunch of minor league cobbled together conferences because the math looks nice? You seriously believe the winner of a 16 team SEC or Big12/10 (whatever either would be) has any interest in playing the winner of a leftover WAC/BigSky combo platter? Or that anyone else has any interest in seeing it?

Whatever, you are clearly just dragging a line to see what bites. So you got me. If not you're functionally retarded.
 
2012-11-28 08:06:01 PM

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.


And you obviously didn't read the comments, because that debt disappeared the instant that athletic scholarships were put upon the university, as opposed to the AD.

Yow farked us over big time. She's making power moves at NCSU now and could potentially cripple their revenue sports in ~5 years as well.
 
2012-11-28 08:14:45 PM

constructor5179: Yea, I figure Nebraska must have been on shaky ground with the AAU as well seeing as how they lost their membership not long after being accepted to the Big10. I figure as soon as the PAC12 goes after Texas and Oklahoma, the Big10 is going after Kansas, and hopefully another school with a decent football program.


The way it works is that the AAU caps its membership at (I think) 60. If a university is teetering, they get a warning and then get ten years to fix it. Nebraska was in a weird situation because they get a lot of USDA money which doesn't count for the AAU calculations for some reason, and because the way their university is structured, they weren't getting credit for some of their units like other schools were. As much as I enjoyed watching them get kicked out, I think it was probably a railroading. The AAU has been trying to get more exclusive for a while and they basically traded Nebraska for Georgia Tech.
 
2012-11-28 08:35:08 PM
This man will be a senior in 2014. Welcome to your nightmare, boys.

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2012-11-28 08:55:15 PM

SlothB77: RickyWilliams'sBong: Maryland's athletic department is kind of notorious in the ACC. Still, broke or not, it's a smart move.

So notorious in fact, the Maryland AD was snatched up by fellow ACC school NC State faster than Jon Gruden can profess his love of football.


Well, nobody ever accused NC State of being particularly smart.

Had interested universities managed to get a candid glimpse of the bag Maryland was left holding after Yow's decade and a half of "leadership," she likely would be employed somewhere other than NC State... after a notably lengthier and less option-rich job search.
 
2012-11-29 12:06:52 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Maryland made a profoundly good move. I say this as a Big Ten alumn who wishes things had just remained the damn same.


As a Big Ten alum who grew up minutes from UMd I feel the same way. It's a smart move for MD, and I'm sure all the B1G alumni groups in DC love this, and the TV money is going to be awesome. At the same time, every time you add a school, that's a few less times you get to play your traditional rivals that you've been playing for years. As it stands with 14 teams, every football season you'll miss out on playing 5/13 or 38% of your conference. When you split that into divisions you're literally going 6 years or so without hosting certain teams, even with a 9th conference game.
 
2012-11-29 01:27:13 AM

balki1867: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Maryland made a profoundly good move. I say this as a Big Ten alumn who wishes things had just remained the damn same.

As a Big Ten alum who grew up minutes from UMd I feel the same way. It's a smart move for MD, and I'm sure all the B1G alumni groups in DC love this, and the TV money is going to be awesome. At the same time, every time you add a school, that's a few less times you get to play your traditional rivals that you've been playing for years. As it stands with 14 teams, every football season you'll miss out on playing 5/13 or 38% of your conference. When you split that into divisions you're literally going 6 years or so without hosting certain teams, even with a 9th conference game.


9 games means, no more of the pointless FCS opponent that shouldn't count as a FBS win.
 
2012-11-29 05:37:43 AM

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa.


One article can't tell you all of the shiat Maryland fans have put up with for over a decade. Her "erasing a 50 million debt" was done in the same manner that Bush keep the war in Iraq off of the books. Move the debt to a different ledger and magically it disappears.
 
2012-11-29 09:01:26 AM

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.

The investment failed when BBall and FBall tanked. Although if you really want to fauly her for wanting to improve on Maryland's craptatic facilities go ahead.

She doesn't have the same issue at NCSU. The major long-term expanding was done under Fowler. She just has to improve the coaches.


The $50 million in debt stuff has been explained already.

Obviously the fact that the football team was on the decline hurt the overall budget, but the fact is that she kept spending. If you got a pay decrease at work, you wouldn't increase your spending while taking money out of your 401K to cover the difference, you'd cut back and try to balance your budget. Our 401K is now drained and we're left trying to right the ship.

She doesn't appear to have the same issues at NC State yet, but it's only been 2 years. She just announced that they are building a new indoor practice facility for the football program that hasn't been funded yet. Took her 16 years to bankrupt us.
 
2012-11-29 09:21:39 AM

degenerate-afro: timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa.

One article can't tell you all of the shiat Maryland fans have put up with for over a decade. Her "erasing a 50 million debt" was done in the same manner that Bush keep the war in Iraq off of the books. Move the debt to a different ledger and magically it disappears.


And that people ignored she used profitable sports to prop up money losing sports then ignored it when the problem started to surface and then bailed on the program after farking them over.
 
2012-11-29 10:07:46 AM

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.


She did absolutely nothing to make that debt disappear, as others have already pointed out. Then she went ahead and dug another, deeper hole.

But I realize given your location you need to convince yourself she'll be good for the NCST athletic department. Good luck with all that.
 
2012-11-29 10:15:26 AM

timswar: I love the Yow hate from people who must not have rtfa. Yow took over a Maryland Atheltics department that was 50mil in debt, turned it around, and the tried to invest in long-term increased revenue.

The investment failed when BBall and FBall tanked. Although if you really want to fauly her for wanting to improve on Maryland's craptatic facilities go ahead.

She doesn't have the same issue at NCSU. The major long-term expanding was done under Fowler. She just has to improve the coaches.


Good luck with that! She does not have much of a track record to stand on there.
 
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