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2012-11-28 09:08:16 AM
A sitcom that made you both a ridiculous amount of wealth is a "hive of oppression." Got it.
 
2012-11-28 10:11:39 AM

Diogenes: A sitcom that made you both a ridiculous amount of wealth is a "hive of oppression." Got it.


exactly. The cubical job that allows you just enough money to afford basic cable is the real freedom!
 
2012-11-28 10:41:25 AM
Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.
 
2012-11-28 10:43:05 AM

Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.


Winning Writing!
 
2012-11-28 10:46:11 AM
Well this show certainly has a propensity to stay in the news, doesn't it?
 
2012-11-28 10:46:52 AM

Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!


Penning!
 
2012-11-28 10:52:07 AM

MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!


Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.
 
2012-11-28 10:56:57 AM

ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.


lulz
 
2012-11-28 11:06:55 AM

ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.


The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.
 
2012-11-28 11:17:33 AM

Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.


Being gay, I often felt the same way about Will & Grace.
 
2012-11-28 11:18:49 AM

Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.


Never even heard of it.

/Grace Under Fire was my favorite Lorre show
 
2012-11-28 11:21:52 AM

Diogenes: Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.

Being gay, I often felt the same way about Will & Grace.


I can understand. At least Will & Grace had a "normal" character in Eric McCormack (who, interestingly enough, was going to be John Barrowman until they thought he seemed too straight... which is hilariously awesome), despite the fairly constant depictions of easy stereotypes and the presence of the gay equivalent of Mickey Rooney's Mr. Yunioshi.

The Big Bang Theory pisses me off because it can't get anything about nerds right. It's too easy and too simple, with references to things like Star Trek, Halo, Guitar Hero... you know, the "geek" things that became farking pop culture staples among regular people years ago. If they occasionally made jokes about Warhammer 40,000 or Shin Megami Tensei, they would seem so much more real as nerds and not "safe" Hollywood nerds. You know, nerds who are only awkward for the joke and who make references everyone recognizes.
 
2012-11-28 11:23:07 AM
I'd take whatever he made per episode to work on that show for a full year.

Celebrities, athletes and politicians are vastly overpaid for what they do. I respect what they do (well, some of them) but I think that for the amount of work they put in versus what the average Joe does for a living, they should be paid somewhere closer to the level of a middle school teacher.

Hell, I think politicians should be called to do their duty for FREE. Let public service be SERVICE, not the road to riches.

And athletes are overpaid no matter how you slice it. They do work hard, but so do the guys at the steel mill or lumber yard, with just as much (or more) risk. If a man can be paid millions to catch a ball, then why does the soldier who catches bullets get a pittance?

Our priorities are all screwed up. We heap too much worship and riches on the least useful members of our society.
 
2012-11-28 11:36:50 AM

Bloody William: Diogenes: Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.

Being gay, I often felt the same way about Will & Grace.

I can understand. At least Will & Grace had a "normal" character in Eric McCormack (who, interestingly enough, was going to be John Barrowman until they thought he seemed too straight... which is hilariously awesome), despite the fairly constant depictions of easy stereotypes and the presence of the gay equivalent of Mickey Rooney's Mr. Yunioshi.

The Big Bang Theory pisses me off because it can't get anything about nerds right. It's too easy and too simple, with references to things like Star Trek, Halo, Guitar Hero... you know, the "geek" things that became farking pop culture staples among regular people years ago. If they occasionally made jokes about Warhammer 40,000 or Shin Megami Tensei, they would seem so much more real as nerds and not "safe" Hollywood nerds. You know, nerds who are only awkward for the joke and who make references everyone recognizes.


It wasn't the worst I've seen in gay-themed comedy. But I didn't go out of my way to watch it. That new piece of dreck on CBS, "Partners", is absoFARKINGlutely horrendous. I wonder if that's a Lorre production, too.

Comedy that targets groups is tricky. Mel Brooks did it beautifully in Blazing Saddles. Reiner did it brilliantly with All In The Family. It's a balancing act between mocking the group itself and mocking the stereotypes. While I get a laugh out Big Bang (mostly because of the actors themselves who have made me like the characters despite the shallow nerd portrayal), it certainly does nothing like the aforementioned.
 
2012-11-28 11:54:52 AM
BBT isn't the greatest out there by a long-shot, but it's decent for what it is: An attempt to make geeks a little more accepted in the mainstream. Sure, they can't get the writing down worth a damn, but it has its moments.
 
2012-11-28 12:34:07 PM

Bloody William: Diogenes: Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.

Being gay, I often felt the same way about Will & Grace.

I can understand. At least Will & Grace had a "normal" character in Eric McCormack (who, interestingly enough, was going to be John Barrowman until they thought he seemed too straight... which is hilariously awesome), despite the fairly constant depictions of easy stereotypes and the presence of the gay equivalent of Mickey Rooney's Mr. Yunioshi.

The Big Bang Theory pisses me off because it can't get anything about nerds right. It's too easy and too simple, with references to things like Star Trek, Halo, Guitar Hero... you know, the "geek" things that became farking pop culture staples among regular people years ago. If they occasionally made jokes about Warhammer 40,000 or Shin Megami Tensei, they would seem so much more real as nerds and not "safe" Hollywood nerds. You know, nerds who are only awkward for the joke and who make references everyone recognizes.


I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.
 
2012-11-28 01:00:48 PM

AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.


Define 'hipster.'
 
2012-11-28 01:04:43 PM
Bloody William: The Big Bang Theory pisses me off because it can't get anything about nerds right. It's too easy and too simple, with references to things like Star Trek, Halo, Guitar Hero... you know, the "geek" things that became farking pop culture staples among regular people years ago. If they occasionally made jokes about Warhammer 40,000 or Shin Megami Tensei, they would seem so much more real as nerds and not "safe" Hollywood nerds.

The show isn't directed at "real" nerds, because they aren't a sizeable enough demographic. Appealing to what your grandmother knows about "nerds" is what keeps the lights on.
 
2012-11-28 01:09:02 PM
Yeah, who else could have taught the kid to bite the hand that...oh, wait.
 
2012-11-28 01:10:49 PM

Barricaded Gunman: Bloody William: The Big Bang Theory pisses me off because it can't get anything about nerds right. It's too easy and too simple, with references to things like Star Trek, Halo, Guitar Hero... you know, the "geek" things that became farking pop culture staples among regular people years ago. If they occasionally made jokes about Warhammer 40,000 or Shin Megami Tensei, they would seem so much more real as nerds and not "safe" Hollywood nerds.

The show isn't directed at "real" nerds, because they aren't a sizeable enough demographic. Appealing to what your grandmother knows about "nerds" is what keeps the lights on.


Exactly.

And the sad part is that nerds and geeks fall for it because ZOMG, A FLASH T-SHIRT!

Yeah, David on Roseanne had a Sandman poster in the early 1990s, oh, and Joss Whedon wrote for the show... does that make Roseanne one of the best geek shows of all time?
 
2012-11-28 01:22:32 PM
I accidentally landed on BBT once while channel surfing and didn't know what it was. I watched for a few minutes and then wondered why some activist group wasn't up in arms about a sitcom making fun of the retarded. Then I saw an advertisement for the same show and realized that the groups target audience must not be in on the joke and resolved to never land on that show again.
 
2012-11-28 01:26:36 PM
Yeah, the kid was brainwashed. That's obvious enough. But what if you vacuumed Charlie Sheen's brain? I think your vacuum bag would be filled with 4 pounds of cocaine.
 
2012-11-28 01:41:07 PM

Bloody William: It's a farking nerd minstrel show.


I call it nerd blackface, but that works too.
 
2012-11-28 01:41:21 PM

Barricaded Gunman: Bloody William: The Big Bang Theory pisses me off because it can't get anything about nerds right. It's too easy and too simple, with references to things like Star Trek, Halo, Guitar Hero... you know, the "geek" things that became farking pop culture staples among regular people years ago. If they occasionally made jokes about Warhammer 40,000 or Shin Megami Tensei, they would seem so much more real as nerds and not "safe" Hollywood nerds.

The show isn't directed at "real" nerds, because they aren't a sizeable enough demographic. Appealing to what your grandmother knows about "nerds" is what keeps the lights on.


yep...my parents (ages 72 and 70) love big bang theory and wonder why i don't watch it. for 'nerd' themed humor, i prefer the IT crowd.
 
2012-11-28 02:09:21 PM
pennissing!
 
2012-11-28 02:26:51 PM
I was going to post something about this thread, but....something something sidetracked by this pic.

2.bp.blogspot.com 

Leyrn Franco.
 
2012-11-28 03:13:22 PM
Jesus has already written Charlie off
 
2012-11-28 03:17:19 PM

AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.


It's not about being obscure for the sake of being obscure. It's about being obscure as a natural result of being very enthusiastic about a niche interest. Anyone can call up Star Trek or Halo as "sci-fi" or "video games." How many religiously follow Scalzi or Stephenson? Hell, how many read R.R. Martin before the show? How many imported games because they couldn't get them here? How many fought to see Mother 3 or Xenoblade released in the US? How many actually look outside of their accessible little pocket into the deeper reaches of these "nerd" subjects?

Captains Kirk and Picard are ingrained into pop culture. Halo is ingrained into pop culture. They are chunks of sci-fi and video games that have become well-known outside of the communities that are actually enthusiastic about sci-fi and video games in and of themselves. It's just like how reading Harry Potter, while it's a fantasy series, doesn't make you a fan of the fantasy genre, or a fantasy nerd. Nerds dig in past the surface of their obsessions and get deep and broad frames of reference within them. 

Yes, I can be realistic. Obscurity doesn't sell, nor do I expect it to. However, it seems like portraying "nerds" as humorously awkward people with such shallow frames of reference in their "obsessions" is a disservice to people who actually put effort into what they love, whether it's reading sci-fi novels by the pound or making intricate costumes for LARPing or building Gunpla models or making fan translations of JRPGs.
 
2012-11-28 03:37:15 PM

Diogenes: Being gay, I often felt the same way about Will & Grace.


You mean the fact that it was terrible wasn't enough?
 
2012-11-28 03:49:39 PM

Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.


Excellent description. I made a personal rule not to watch sitcoms, but it was on once when I was on a treadmill, and that's EXACTLY what that show felt like.
 
2012-11-28 04:39:55 PM

ZeroCorpse: I'd take whatever he made per episode to work on that show for a full year.

Celebrities, athletes and politicians are vastly overpaid for what they do. I respect what they do (well, some of them) but I think that for the amount of work they put in versus what the average Joe does for a living, they should be paid somewhere closer to the level of a middle school teacher.

Hell, I think politicians should be called to do their duty for FREE. Let public service be SERVICE, not the road to riches.

And athletes are overpaid no matter how you slice it. They do work hard, but so do the guys at the steel mill or lumber yard, with just as much (or more) risk. If a man can be paid millions to catch a ball, then why does the soldier who catches bullets get a pittance?

Our priorities are all screwed up. We heap too much worship and riches on the least useful members of our society.


Athletes generate vast amounts of revenue and I don't begrudge them getting a share of it. If they didn't get it, it would just disappear somewhere while the team owner cries poor trying to get public funding for their new stadium.
 
2012-11-28 05:51:29 PM

Bloody William: AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.

It's not about being obscure for the sake of being obscure. It's about being obscure as a natural result of being very enthusiastic about a niche interest. Anyone can call up Star Trek or Halo as "sci-fi" or "video games." How many religiously follow Scalzi or Stephenson? Hell, how many read R.R. Martin before the show? How many imported games because they couldn't get them here? How many fought to see Mother 3 or Xenoblade released in the US? How many actually look outside of their accessible little pocket into the deeper reaches of these "nerd" subjects?

Captains Kirk and Picard are ingrained into pop culture. Halo is ingrained into pop culture. They are chunks of sci-fi and video games that have become well-known outside of the communities that are actually enthusiastic about sci-fi and video games in and of themselves. It's just like how reading Harry Potter, while it's a fantasy series, doesn't make you a fan of the fantasy genre, or a fantasy nerd. Nerds dig in past the surface of their obsessions and get deep and broad frames of reference within them. 

Yes, I can be realistic. Obscurity doesn't sell, nor do I expect it to. However, it seems like portraying "nerds" as humorously awkward people with such shallow frames of reference in their "obsessions" is a disservice to people who actually put effort into what they love, whether it's reading sci-fi novels by the pound or making intricate costumes for LARPing or building Gunpla models or making fan translations of JRPGs.


I was teasing; I do understand the point you are making though. TV is always going to go for ratings and the only way to do that is to appeal to as big of an audience as they can.
 
2012-11-28 06:18:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.

Define 'hipster.'


Nobody can, any satsifactory definition would cause the universe to collapse in a singularity.
 
2012-11-28 07:09:30 PM

Tanukis_Parachute: The show isn't directed at "real" nerds, because they aren't a sizeable enough demographic. Appealing to what your grandmother knows about "nerds" is what keeps the lights on.

yep...my parents (ages 72 and 70) love big bang theory and wonder why i don't watch it. for 'nerd' themed humor, i prefer the IT crowd.


My 82-year-old mom loves it, too. She should hang out with your folks.
 
2012-11-28 07:12:17 PM
I hate Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men

/That is all
//Love Charlie Sheen
 
2012-11-28 09:25:22 PM
FTFA:

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I dunno. Are they hot, topless, foreign, and models, or do I pick two? Am I going to click on the link and get some blurry thing? Do you really think that "I MAY LIKE" this, or are you just guessing?
 
2012-11-28 10:39:34 PM

AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.


I have to share this one down at the shop. First time I've ever heard Tzeench be called a hipster. But then again...

Blowmonkey: The My Little Pony Killer: AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.

Define 'hipster.'

Nobody can, any satsifactory definition would cause the universe to collapse in a singularity.

 
2012-11-28 11:51:27 PM

Blowmonkey: The My Little Pony Killer: AbiNormal: I see where you are confused, they're supposed to be geeks, not hipsters.

Define 'hipster.'

Nobody can, any satsifactory definition would cause the universe to collapse in a singularity.



I beg to differ, not that I can define it well, but it does boil down to a simple thing.


Just because "hipster" hasn't been entered into a dictionary that matters yet, that does not equate it to being undefinable or without definition, therefore any meaning whatsoever.

Hipsters get pompous over the lifestyle.

Geeks will try to outgeek eachother as a laugh, or are competitive assholes similar to hipsters, but their likes/dislikes are still rooted in their actual interest.

Hipsters do not have that barrier. Anything old, supposedly makes them cool, anything obscure, trashy, etc.

That's what makes a hipster. Sure, geeks can be hipsters as well, many are. But liking something obscure because the object or theme or story is cool, that's not hipster. Liking something only because it's not mainstream, is hipsterish.

That's not to say a dislike of mainstream is necessarily a hipster quality either. Sometimes you hear/see too much of a good thing and just get burnt out on it, simple overexposure. it's why pop stars fade out so fast.
 
2012-11-29 09:46:58 AM
"Hive Of Oppression" would make a killer band name. And you could call it "HOO" for short.

Nothin'... I have an unlimited supply.
 
2012-11-30 05:42:57 AM

Diogenes: Bloody William: ranak: MrVeach: Diogenes: Dr.Zom: Old Chuck sure has a way with words. Dude should write a book.

Winning Writing!

Penning!

Penning! Penning! Penning!

/oops, wrong Lorre show.

The Big Bang Theory is a horrible piece of shiat of a show goddammit I hate it so much AUGH!

Sorry, reflex whenever it's mentioned. It's a farking nerd minstrel show.

Being gay, I often felt the same way about Will & Grace.


Having a family, I often feel the same way about Modern Family.
 
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