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2012-11-28 11:03:12 AM  
Yeah, THAT'S not going to look good on your resume.
 
2012-11-28 11:05:25 AM  
Since it is a white gal this time, will a black gal play her in the inevitable movie?
 
2012-11-28 11:10:48 AM  
Maybe she was working on a case study?

/It could happen
 
2012-11-28 11:11:25 AM  
Whadda you think -- drug counselors have to understand what they're treating, just like people who investigate serial killers, meter maids, and anti-abortion Republicans.
 
2012-11-28 11:15:39 AM  
Good thing she wasn't involved in MADD.
 
2012-11-28 11:16:56 AM  
Wilkins, a recovering addict...

FTFY
 
2012-11-28 11:19:51 AM  
She kept putting the wipers on to annoy the guy.
 
2012-11-28 11:22:08 AM  
www.mathsisfun.com

Does anyone know if this is in the Oregon Cascades?
 
2012-11-28 11:24:06 AM  

uncleacid: She kept putting the wipers on to annoy the guy.


Ok, for the first time ever, I nearly did spit soup on my keyboard. Well, cellphone.

Super funny stuff right there.
 
2012-11-28 11:33:47 AM  
I swear the first half of this was an episode of CSI. The second half, not so much. How the...what... Whoever gave this woman the option of being her own drug counselor needs to be taken out back and whacked with a cane switch.

Or votes.

/DNRTFA
 
2012-11-28 11:38:13 AM  

maram500: I swear the first half of this was an episode of CSI. The second half, not so much. How the...what... Whoever gave this woman the option of being her own drug counselor needs to be taken out back and whacked with a cane switch.

Or votes.

/DNRTFA


Incident on which the CSI episode was based
 
2012-11-28 11:40:59 AM  
In addiction counseling circles, it used to be an Article of Faith that you weren't qualified to be an addiction counselor unless you were in recovery yourself.

\these days... not so much
\\for the obvious reasons
 
2012-11-28 11:43:42 AM  
FTFA

Lisonbee said that the situation highlights the need for counselors to prioritize their own recovery.

Yeah, no shiat
 
2012-11-28 11:44:50 AM  
Just in time for the holidays! Sung to the tune of Granma Got Run Over By A Reindeer ...


Whitey got run over by a Chante,
He was walking home late one eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Chante,
As far as flying white guys, they believe!

She had been drinking to much whiskey,
At just sixty nine cents a throw.
And she was doing some X'ing,
She was one big fat doped up hoe.

When she drove on down the highway,
She veered off a 'beet.
Next thing you know 'ole Whitey's,
Head was lying next to her in the seat.

Whitey got run over by a Chante,
He was walking home late one eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Chante,
As far as flying white guys, they believe!

Now we're all so proud of Chante,
She took it really well.
When Whitey jumped though her windshield,
She asked him to light her Pal Mall.

Now she pulls up in her driveway,
And to the house, she goes in.
And Whitey stops and wonders,
Should he have bought that Lotto scratch and win.

Whitey got run over by a Chante,
He was walking home late one eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Chante,
As far as flying white guys, they believe!

Whitey got run over by a Chante,
He was walking home late one eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Chante,
As far as flying white guys, they believe!

/Russ Martin Show
//sad that he's never in any of the radio threads
/// 105.3 97.1 FM 3-7 PM for those in Dallas
 
2012-11-28 11:46:19 AM  

maram500: Whoever gave this woman the option of being her own drug counselor needs to be taken out back and whacked with a cane switch.Or votes./DNRTFA


Well, if you DID RTFA, you'd know that the headline is a troll.
 
2012-11-28 11:46:56 AM  

The Slush: maram500: I swear the first half of this was an episode of CSI. The second half, not so much. How the...what... Whoever gave this woman the option of being her own drug counselor needs to be taken out back and whacked with a cane switch.

Or votes.

/DNRTFA

Incident on which the CSI episode was based


Neat. I had no idea. Now can someone explain who the hell this woman is going to call when she feels like doing smack or whatever in the middle of the night?
 
2012-11-28 11:48:48 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: [www.mathsisfun.com image 300x159]

Does anyone know if this is in the Oregon Cascades?


It's Lake Berryessa in the Coast Range in northern California.
 
2012-11-28 12:06:52 PM  
Um, are there any counselors that AREN'T recovering addicts? Recovering addicts relapse, more at 11:00.
 
2012-11-28 12:13:07 PM  
"Impaled on her windshield"?
Reads like he impaled her windshield. 

Probably just semantics.
 
2012-11-28 12:23:45 PM  
*slow clap* the aristocrats!
 
2012-11-28 12:24:50 PM  
hagiblog.files.wordpress.com
"Thanks for the ride lady...."
 
2012-11-28 12:25:18 PM  

MutinousDoug: "Impaled on her windshield"?
Reads like he impaled her windshield. 

Probably just semantics.


One cannot be impaled on a flat surface. You need something thin like a tree trunk.

Yours truly,

Vlad III
Prince of Wallachia
 
2012-11-28 12:31:49 PM  

buster_v: In addiction counseling circles, it used to be an Article of Faith that you weren't qualified to be an addiction counselor unless you were in recovery yourself.
\these days... not so much
\\for the obvious reasons



Agreed, not so much. It seems like every person who has that Come To Jesus Get Sober moment in their lives thinks that because they were an addict (of whatever substance) it qualifies them to help addicts. While there are a few that cross the bridge well, at the same time there is a huge difference between slugging substances oneself, getting out of that lifestyle not to mention helping others get out of that life. I don't know this person's entire history, but it sounds like she said the right words, pushed the right buttons and got a degree as a counselor. The reality is that she never got clean herself as evidenced.

I would seriously doubt this was her first and/or most recent experience with drinking and driving.

Shame for that poor dude.

And as far as the idea that you have to have been an addict to be a counselor - that is bullshiat. If I get cancer do I need a doctor who is in remission to treat me? Not! Addiction counseling is a skill that is learned as well as felt. Sucking down a fifth of gin daily for 10 years does not qualify one as a competent adviser. It may give one some insight, but it is not necessary.
 
2012-11-28 12:32:04 PM  

buster_v: In addiction counseling circles, it used to be an Article of Faith that you weren't qualified to be an addiction counselor unless you were in recovery yourself.
\these days... not so much
\\for the obvious reasons


They're better at it, for obvious reasons. You can be educated and empathetic as fark-all, but if you have never been an addict, you don't understand what it's like and you don't care as much. And it's pretty hard to care for some people who keep trying to kill themselves, against all rational thought and common sense.
 
2012-11-28 12:36:45 PM  
Edwin Starr

Drugs ... uh huh ... what are they good for? Absolutely nothing.
 
2012-11-28 12:37:40 PM  
Reminds me of a similar case a few years ago where a woman hit someone and also impaled them on her windshield. In that situation she drove home with him like that, parked the car in the garage, convinced a friend to dump the body, and then went out partying.

/too lazy to search the internets to find the article
 
2012-11-28 12:37:54 PM  

notatrollorami: MutinousDoug: "Impaled on her windshield"?
Reads like he impaled her windshield. 

Probably just semantics.

One cannot be impaled on a flat surface. You need something thin like a tree trunk.

Yours truly,

Vlad III
Prince of Wallachia


I imagine he went part-way through the windshield and then gravity asserted itself and he ended up with the bottom half of the edge of the hole cutting into his body. Maybe not a true impaling but close enough for some.
 
2012-11-28 12:39:11 PM  
Fark it, now I see someone already linked to the article earlier in the thread

/Hands head in shame.
 
2012-11-28 12:48:37 PM  

cryinoutloud: buster_v: In addiction counseling circles, it used to be an Article of Faith that you weren't qualified to be an addiction counselor unless you were in recovery yourself.
\these days... not so much
\\for the obvious reasons

They're better at it, for obvious reasons. You can be educated and empathetic as fark-all, but if you have never been an addict, you don't understand what it's like and you don't care as much. And it's pretty hard to care for some people who keep trying to kill themselves, against all rational thought and common sense.


Most places these days would prefer that a person does their 12th Step work on their own time.
 
2012-11-28 01:02:06 PM  

The Slush: maram500:

I swear the first half of this was an episode of CSI. The second half, not so much. How the...what... Whoever gave this woman the option of being her own drug counselor needs to be taken out back and whacked with a cane switch.

Or votes.

/DNRTFA

Incident on which the CSI episode was based


I was just going to cite the murder of Gregory Biggs. GMTA. By the way, the article referred to that earlier case.

My first thought was "This AGAIN?!?" WTF? Can't they at least get the guy off the car, call 911 and then flee?

Maybe when such things happen the cops should forget about the driver being DUI when she does the right thing and stops, calls 911 and waits. Maybe. Except, going by my cynical opinion of my fellow human beings, that might lead to a rash of drunk drivers hitting pedestrians on purpose to get away with DUI.

I'm glad I gave up driving before I took to drink. Now if I could only give up crossing the street...
 
2012-11-28 01:02:48 PM  

cryinoutloud: buster_v: In addiction counseling circles, it used to be an Article of Faith that you weren't qualified to be an addiction counselor unless you were in recovery yourself.
\these days... not so much
\\for the obvious reasons

They're better at it, for obvious reasons. You can be educated and empathetic as fark-all, but if you have never been an addict, you don't understand what it's like and you don't care as much. And it's pretty hard to care for some people who keep trying to kill themselves, against all rational thought and common sense.


But by that logic no doctor should treat a suicidal patient if they haven't attempted suicide themseves. Or treat hoarders if they've never hoarded. Or treat anyone with an issue that they themselves have never faced.
 
2012-11-28 01:03:48 PM  
Wilkins was charged with driving under the influence, felony hit and run, and manslaughter.

Is it really hit & run if you're carrying the victim around with you???
 
2012-11-28 01:06:36 PM  

Lifeless: EdNortonsTwin: [www.mathsisfun.com image 300x159]

Does anyone know if this is in the Oregon Cascades?

It's Lake Berryessa in the Coast Range in northern California.


It's a bell-mouth spillway (link), also known as a glory hole.
 
2012-11-28 01:09:04 PM  
Well at least we know she wasn't on ecstasy, she wouldn't just let him bleed to death in her windshield. No. She's be there braiding his hair while he bleeds to death in her windshield.
 
2012-11-28 01:12:32 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Edwin Starr

Drugs ... uh huh ... what are they good for? Absolutely nothing. getting high.


FTFY
 
2012-11-28 01:17:05 PM  
How is this different from any other female driving?
 
2012-11-28 01:26:34 PM  

lakrfool: [hagiblog.files.wordpress.com image 550x351]
"Thanks for the ride lady...."


hey isn't that from tales from the crypt?
 
2012-11-28 01:37:16 PM  
Regarding the woman in the photo: Yeah, if I was drunk enough, I'd hit it!
 
2012-11-28 01:52:16 PM  

namegoeshere: But by that logic no doctor should treat a suicidal patient if they haven't attempted suicide themseves. Or treat hoarders if they've never hoarded. Or treat anyone with an issue that they themselves have never faced.


If they had faced it, they would probably be better at counseling someone who'd been through a similar problem. What exactly is your point? Everyone on Fark seems to think that they're an expert on addiction, and very few of you are actually addicts. I can tell because of your snotty attitudes, something that addicts have to drop instantly if they ever want to get better.

I'm a farking addict. I also have most of a master's degree in counseling. The people who had actually recovered from addictions were much, much better at counseling me than the people who did not have that background. The people in AA were better counselors than the counselors I met who were not drunks.

But you can keep telling everybody that you'd be better at everything than a farking drunk if it pleases you. We real addicts know better. We actually do know a few things from going around the block 800 times more than you have.
 
2012-11-28 01:52:48 PM  

ltdanman44: lakrfool: [hagiblog.files.wordpress.com image 550x351]
"Thanks for the ride lady...."

hey isn't that from tales from the crypt?


Creepshow 2
 
2012-11-28 01:54:59 PM  

ltdanman44: lakrfool: [hagiblog.files.wordpress.com image 550x351]
"Thanks for the ride lady...."

hey isn't that from tales from the crypt?


'Creepshow 2' I believe.
 
2012-11-28 01:58:12 PM  

Jument: notatrollorami: MutinousDoug: "Impaled on her windshield"?
Reads like he impaled her windshield. 

Probably just semantics.

One cannot be impaled on a flat surface. You need something thin like a tree trunk.

Yours truly,

Vlad III
Prince of Wallachia

I imagine he went part-way through the windshield and then gravity asserted itself and he ended up with the bottom half of the edge of the hole cutting into his body. Maybe not a true impaling but close enough for some.


Just a joke man, but you're probably right.
 
2012-11-28 01:58:35 PM  
notatrollorami:

Um, are there any counselors that AREN'T recovering addicts? Recovering addicts relapse, more at 11:00.

I hope I die before I "go into recovery." That's one of the stupidest catch-phrases in 20th century American English. (One of the best is "Everybody should have a little Greek in them.") And atheists don't 12-Step, we just quit drinking; I've seen it done and I know it can stick. Some people manage to cut down without stopping. The key is to realize that drinking is NOT a disease in the way that the flu is: it's a learned behavior like any other. This is not to say that there's no physical addiction to alcohol, I know about DTs, only that most people who are called alcoholics are not so physically addicted that they're unable to control or stop their drinking. Many just find copping the label and behaviors associated with it (such as joining AA) a convenient way to get people off their backs (e.g., keep a job) or achieve some other goal (like getting your wife to move back in). The demon Rum gets blamed for the bad behavior: "It was the booze, it was Not-Me!"

Most people I know who 12-stepped did so because they got busted for DUI or drug possession or something, as part of a plea-bargain. Whether they were actually hooked on the "substance" was immaterial. E.g., somebody who gets drunk at age 28 for the third time in 10 years and gets pulled over for driving funny is not an alcoholic, but you can get the judge to go easy on you by volunteering to "get help": you just don't mention that's only the 3rd time in your life you had more than three drinks and that generally you bother with the stuff, it's just that you were watching the game and this guy showed up with some home-brewed beer he wanted people to try. Trying to run that truth by prosecutors hungry for convictions would be counter-productive, they'd call it "making excuses" -- so it's better to start with the "helpless before alcohol" excuse even if it's a lie.

But then maybe my opinion is tainted by all the "substances" I quit "abusing" over the years without any trouble. I even quit smoking 12.5 years ago after a 25-year "career," though that took a few months of nicotine patches and thumb-sucking. YMMV. Maybe some people out there really are such pathetic weaklings that a loonytunes asshole has more self-control than they do, or less need of bad habits to make excuses for. And maybe it's incorrect to claim that I'm not special, that if I can do it anybody can.

Whether any of this applies to people who smash into pedestrians and tote them around on their hoods is beside the point: something in me says they'd do the same thing if they were always sober. You don't need to "abuse substances" to be a selfish piece of shiat.
 
2012-11-28 02:00:09 PM  
FizixJunkee:

How is this different from any other female driving?

Some females swerve away from the pedestrian and hit a bus instead.


/troll meets troll
 
2012-11-28 02:09:30 PM  

cryinoutloud: namegoeshere: But by that logic no doctor should treat a suicidal patient if they haven't attempted suicide themseves. Or treat hoarders if they've never hoarded. Or treat anyone with an issue that they themselves have never faced.

If they had faced it, they would probably be better at counseling someone who'd been through a similar problem. What exactly is your point? Everyone on Fark seems to think that they're an expert on addiction, and very few of you are actually addicts. I can tell because of your snotty attitudes, something that addicts have to drop instantly if they ever want to get better.

I'm a farking addict. I also have most of a master's degree in counseling. The people who had actually recovered from addictions were much, much better at counseling me than the people who did not have that background. The people in AA were better counselors than the counselors I met who were not drunks.

But you can keep telling everybody that you'd be better at everything than a farking drunk if it pleases you. We real addicts know better. We actually do know a few things from going around the block 800 times more than you have.


So that agressive, hostile, "fark everyone who isn't me" attitude you have... does that come from being an addict, too? Or were you born with it? Because point out to me, please, what in my OP was snotty in attitude. Or where I told you I'd be a better counselor than you, or that I'd be better at everything than a farking drunk. Because I went back and read it again, and I'm just not seeing it.
 
2012-11-28 02:36:27 PM  
cryinoutloud:

You can be educated and empathetic as fark-all, but if you have never been an addict, you don't understand what it's like and you don't care as much. And it's pretty hard to care for some people who keep trying to kill themselves, against all rational thought and common sense.

Then again you can be an ex-addict, like a guy who quit smoking 2 pack of unfiltered a day for 25 years 12.5 years ago, and wonder what all the fuss is about. It's not that I'm special or that I called on some (I say imaginary) Higher Power, it's just that 1) cigarettes were so expensive I had no money left for anything fun (like booze), 2) having several months-long attacks of chronic bronchitis and having to stop and catch my breath after climbing 10 steps presaged bad things for a 37 year old, and 3) there was this cute chick I met online who said I could come stay with her but she's allergic to smoke. It was a rational response to a physical and financial challenge, with a reward if I could motivate myself. And once I put my mind to it, and saw those perky nipples that stand out even when it's 90 degrees, it wasn't THAT hard: it's not something I'd want to go through again (so I stayed quit), but it was easier than people make it out to be.

When I was 14 I quit without any trouble, just got tired of having a "chest cold," and stayed quit for almost 5 years till I got near-suicidal; then I quit after two years of that because I had asthma, panic attacks and no money; then two years later I had another "bad spell" and started smoking again, and didn't even think about quitting for a dozen years. Bit once I got motivated quitting was easy enough.

So I just don't get it: I can understand weakness even now, e.g., I've been about 30 pounds overweight for about 10 years, but this "helpless before the 'substance'" bit makes my eyes cross. If you'd rather continue on a downward course with a "substance" or two as a vehicle then carry on; if you decide you don't hate yourself THAT much then you stop. It can take some doing but it can be done, and it ain't that hard to stay quit neither. Three or four relapses a year sounds like a waste of time to me.

Speaking of motivation, if some lovely Farkette promised me a week of daily blowjobs if I got my BMI to 24 it would take me about a month: and yes I'm really serious. See, asking politely gets me nothing and when I offer cash I get yelled at, but maybe if a sensitive soul saw I really was making a heroic effort to get over my problem and just needed a little encouragement to achieve my goal... Either way it'll cost me about $100, whether I break down and shell out for that cute "escort" on backpage.com or buy a Greyhound ticket; the problem with a real pro is I'd be out a Benjamin and I'd still be chubby, what fun is that?
 
2012-11-28 02:41:49 PM  
cryinoutloud:

We real addicts know better. We actually do know a few things from going around the block 800 times more than you have.

I know that coughing up a half a cup of phlegm every morning for two months means I didn't like myself enough to stop putting myself through that. I.e. "You've never smoked, you don't know how hard it is!" translated to "Fark you for suggesting I stop kicking myself in the lungs 40 times a day."

So? Do I deserve a cookie?
 
2012-11-28 02:51:13 PM  
namegoeshere:

So that agressive[SIC], hostile, "fark everyone who isn't me" attitude you have... does that come from being an addict, too? Or were you born with it?

The bad attitude I have comes from having been a crazy idiot for almost 50 years now while being surrounded by people who make me look like a genius. That's one reason I like Fark so much: it puts things in perspective.

(But my Mommy thinks I'm very bright: she even calls me Sun.)
 
2012-11-28 02:53:48 PM  

namegoeshere: So that agressive, hostile, "fark everyone who isn't me" attitude you have... does that come from being an addict, too? Or were you born with it?


Her crazy ex made her that way. I'm sure it is his fault that she is a drunk too.
 
2012-11-28 06:16:33 PM  

wombatsrus: Reminds me of a similar case a few years ago where a woman hit someone and also impaled them on her windshield. In that situation she drove home with him like that, parked the car in the garage, convinced a friend to dump the body, and then went out partying.

/too lazy to search the internets to find the article


They mention her at the end of the article

A similar case occurred in 2003 when Chante J. Mallard, who was 27 at the time, had been drunk and high on marijuana and Ecstasy when she hit Gregory Biggs. Biggs was partially thrown through the windshield. Mallard drove with him to her house, afraid to call police while she was intoxicated. She parked her car in her garage, apologized to Biggs and left him. She and a friend later dumped Biggs' body in a park.

Mallard was convicted and sentenced to 50 years in prison.
 
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