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(Yahoo)   Brazil is close to its 2020 target of reducing deforestation by 80 percent from 1990 levels. Through July 2012 deforestation dropped by 76.26 percent. But these long term environmental and climate goals are all just talk   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 59
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2012-11-28 09:08:28 AM  
www.teako170.com
Dammit Jim I'm a doctor not a Brazilian lumberjack.
 
2012-11-28 09:13:35 AM  
So 1500mi^2 annual deforestation is the acceptable level? Holy fark that's a lot of area
 
2012-11-28 09:32:13 AM  
Brazilians are good at clearing bush.
 
2012-11-28 10:14:44 AM  
I wonder how much of that decrease owes to the fact that they're running out of forest to cut.
 
2012-11-28 11:23:28 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: So 1500mi^2 annual deforestation is the acceptable level? Holy fark that's a lot of area


Considering how they do agriculture in these formerly forested areas, that's actually quite impressive. When you clear cut tropical jungles, you lose just about all of the productivity of the area. Nutrients are stored in the trees, not the soil, in tropical areas due to the sheer volume of rainfall. So whereas a forest here in NA can be cut and the land could be productive for decades, land clearcut in tropical areas will be completely unproductive within 3 years, and you'll only get a full crop the first year. There is simply nothing in the soil and crops drain the little that was there within 3 years. Now you have worthless land and the subsistence farmers have to move on and burn more land.
 
2012-11-28 11:27:14 AM  
Remember back in the late 80's... when it was all 'Save the Whales' and 'Save the Rain Forrest'? I guess the problem has been solved because I don't see those bumper stickers anymore.
 
2012-11-28 11:44:59 AM  
Back in the early 90s, I purchased a square foot of Brazilian rainforest.

How do I find the deed for that?
 
2012-11-28 11:47:18 AM  
But they have a Brazilian trees, why are they worried?

//I know, bad way to make the joke.
 
2012-11-28 11:47:34 AM  
Good on them. They've save like a brazillion trees.
 
2012-11-28 11:49:01 AM  

Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.


yep

www.brazilforum.com
 
2012-11-28 11:49:27 AM  

Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.


Damn, beaten to it.

/Also: Beatin' to it.
 
2012-11-28 11:49:59 AM  

serial_crusher: I wonder how much of that decrease owes to the fact that they're running out of forest to cut.


Pretty much this. There are only 76 acres of rainforest left in Brazil, at this point.

moops: Back in the early 90s, I purchased a square foot of Brazilian rainforest.

How do I find the deed for that?


Your square foot of rainforest was slashed and burned in 2001. It is now part of McDonalds parking lot.
 
2012-11-28 11:50:26 AM  

meat0918: But they have a Brazilian trees, why are they worried?


damn you! damn you straight to hell!!
 
2012-11-28 11:53:43 AM  
I'm pretty sure this headline's footprint will be the death of us
 
2012-11-28 11:54:58 AM  

serial_crusher: I wonder how much of that decrease owes to the fact that they're running out of forest to cut.


I think that's how we solved our deforestation problem here in the US.
 
2012-11-28 11:55:09 AM  
I would think that including improved satellite monitoring, unmanned drones would also help.
 
2012-11-28 11:55:27 AM  

Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.


They've had good practice.

www.ruben7fg.com
 
2012-11-28 11:56:50 AM  

serial_crusher: I wonder how much of that decrease owes to the fact that they're running out of forest to cut.


To an extent it makes sense. When a country is all forest and no farm, the forest isn't worth much and the farm is worth a lot. After a while you reach and then (because we're humans and humans are tragically stupid) far exceed the point where the two are equal in value. In America's case, we trained swamps, cleared forest and burned grasslands until we learned about water cycles and soil erosion the hard way. Brazil is going through the same phase, except I wonder when or how they'll get around to re-forestation when soil destruction there is almost a one-way process.
 
2012-11-28 11:56:51 AM  

moops: Back in the early 90s, I purchased a square foot of Brazilian rainforest.

How do I find the deed for that?


I adopted a whale in the 90's. I had the nursery all set up, strollers, the works but the whale never arrived. I called social services and they didn't know anything about it. Turns out the whole thing was a scam and they never intended to deliver the whale at all. I was heart broken for months. What's worse is that the whale photos they showed me weren't even from American waters. They were trafficking in Asian and South American whales.
 
2012-11-28 11:58:31 AM  
So, the next step is reforestation, globally, to combat greenhouse gasses we need more photosynthesis right? 3rd grade science tells us this. Anyone ready to talk about that? Anyone? Hello?
 
2012-11-28 11:59:01 AM  
@dragonchild

was that by any chance at the rain forest in Cleveland?
/one of the few things I miss about Cleveland
 
2012-11-28 11:59:20 AM  
♫Down in Brazil there used to be a forest
Now in it's place, a crazy wind is whistling
As every tree was falling in the forest
It made a sound but nobody was listening ♫
Manhatten Transfer - The Jungle Pioneer
 
2012-11-28 12:00:46 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Good on them. They've save like a brazillion trees.


Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.


meat0918: But they have a Brazilian trees, why are they worried?

//I know, bad way to make the joke.


I see we have the bases covered.
 
2012-11-28 12:00:57 PM  

Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.


As a Brazilian I approve of this message.
 
2012-11-28 12:01:24 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: moops: Back in the early 90s, I purchased a square foot of Brazilian rainforest.

How do I find the deed for that?

I adopted a whale in the 90's. I had the nursery all set up, strollers, the works but the whale never arrived. I called social services and they didn't know anything about it. Turns out the whole thing was a scam and they never intended to deliver the whale at all. I was heart broken for months. What's worse is that the whale photos they showed me weren't even from American waters. They were trafficking in Asian and South American whales.


When Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie adopt an African child they get to keep them! Damnit, I want whats owed to me. They advertise that its only like 25 cents a day for those kids. That is such a good deal considering an American child cost upwards of A MILLION dollars to raise. Farking foreigners are just cheaper and better at being a kid.
 
2012-11-28 12:03:11 PM  
I'm sure the glassmakers union is strongly opposed to any decrease in defenestration.
 
2012-11-28 12:05:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [www.teako170.com image 333x450]
Dammit Jim I'm a doctor not a Brazilian lumberjack.


Bravo!
 
2012-11-28 12:07:32 PM  
Wonder if Sting will have a concert to give all the money back to the donors?

/too busy sending his love down a well.
 
2012-11-28 12:11:15 PM  
i10.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-28 12:25:42 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Wonder if Sting will have a concert to give all the money back to the donors?

/too busy sending his love down a well.


Derp!
 
2012-11-28 12:26:29 PM  

Rhypskallion: So, the next step is reforestation, globally, to combat greenhouse gasses we need more photosynthesis right? 3rd grade science tells us this. Anyone ready to talk about that? Anyone? Hello?


Be ready for the new Johnny Appleseeds. There will be countless Johnny Maple and Johnny Oakseeds (like my porn name). --Me- That's a nice hole you have their ma'am.
ma'am- Thanks, it's wet and fertile, might be a bit tight.
Me- I'll make it fit.
Wump, pump, pat pat pat pat, WAM WAM WAM WAM, spray
Me- lights cigarette
ma'am- that was really fast, but you...
Me- now about your tree
 
2012-11-28 12:30:18 PM  

serial_crusher: I wonder how much of that decrease owes to the fact that they're running out of forest to cut.

 
2012-11-28 12:34:11 PM  
As long as our population keeps expanding at the rate it is and we are spending next to nothing on space.... no amout of "Go Green" will save us, maybe delay it untill we find the terra Nova time rift.
 
2012-11-28 12:40:15 PM  

blatz514: Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.

yep

[www.brazilforum.com image 491x325]


Those look like dudes. What are you doing to us here?
 
2012-11-28 12:42:03 PM  
I hear the monkey problem is even worse now.
 
2012-11-28 12:42:34 PM  
spectrumculture.com

Unavailable for Comment
 
2012-11-28 12:44:01 PM  

moops: Back in the early 90s, I purchased a square foot of Brazilian rainforest.

How do I find the deed for that?


If you find that sucker is worth plenty.
It will make you a Brazilian-Heir
Thank you,Thank you
Don't forget to tip your waitress
She needs the money for a wax job.
 
2012-11-28 12:44:33 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: So 1500mi^2 annual deforestation is the acceptable level? Holy fark that's a lot of area


Yeah, isn't that amazing? "Only" that much. Let me look up how much land we destroy in the U.S.......

Between 1982 and 2003, the amount of developed land in the U.S. in the 48 contiguous states (not including the District of Columbia) grew by more than 35 million acres, representing a cumulative increase of more than 48 percent.

Well, as long as I get a Home Depot in MY town, that's what counts.
 
2012-11-28 12:52:44 PM  

Rhypskallion: So, the next step is reforestation, globally, to combat greenhouse gasses we need more photosynthesis right? 3rd grade science tells us this. Anyone ready to talk about that? Anyone? Hello?


Globally? No. Only around the equator. Trees to the north and south do more to warm the atmosphere than to cool it.
 
2012-11-28 12:58:19 PM  
Well, duh, once you've removed all the trees from the rain forest you're going to be removing fewer trees.

put 'em in a tree museum
 
2012-11-28 01:10:34 PM  

cryinoutloud: Dead for Tax Reasons: So 1500mi^2 annual deforestation is the acceptable level? Holy fark that's a lot of area

Yeah, isn't that amazing? "Only" that much. Let me look up how much land we destroy in the U.S.......

Between 1982 and 2003, the amount of developed land in the U.S. in the 48 contiguous states (not including the District of Columbia) grew by more than 35 million acres, representing a cumulative increase of more than 48 percent.

Well, as long as I get a Home Depot in MY town, that's what counts.


I was curious how many acres 1500 sq. miles is: 1 sq. mi. = 640 acre, 1500 sq. mi. = 960,000 acres.

Of course, this is also comparing a 21 year span to an annual total, soooo: 35,000,000 / 21 = 1,666,667 average acres per year.

And "development" doesn't really equal "deforestation", but still, it is an interesting comparison between the 2 countries.

/No point, just mathing around
 
2012-11-28 01:10:54 PM  

dragonchild: serial_crusher: I wonder how much of that decrease owes to the fact that they're running out of forest to cut.

To an extent it makes sense. When a country is all forest and no farm, the forest isn't worth much and the farm is worth a lot. After a while you reach and then (because we're humans and humans are tragically stupid) far exceed the point where the two are equal in value. In America's case, we trained swamps, cleared forest and burned grasslands until we learned about water cycles and soil erosion the hard way. Brazil is going through the same phase, except I wonder when or how they'll get around to re-forestation when soil destruction there is almost a one-way process.


Yeah, but to be fair, the swamps didn't take very well to training.
 
2012-11-28 01:14:05 PM  

Rhypskallion: So, the next step is reforestation, globally, to combat greenhouse gasses we need more photosynthesis right? 3rd grade science tells us this. Anyone ready to talk about that? Anyone? Hello?


More than just trees, we need new growth. Mature forests are essentially carbon neutral. Getting more CO2 tied up will require getting new trees to grow.

Of course that begs the question of what you're going to do with all of the old trees.

My own preference would be to bury them. If we can do it deep enough we'll have plenty of coal again in a few thousand years.

/Bulldoze the rainforest to save the environment.
 
2012-11-28 01:16:55 PM  
hair pie!!
am I doing it right?
 
2012-11-28 01:23:39 PM  

iaazathot: ObscureNameHere: Wonder if Sting will have a concert to give all the money back to the donors?

/too busy sending his love down a well.

Derp!


????

Makes comment your sense no.
 
2012-11-28 01:38:24 PM  

Joe Peanut: Mugato: Brazilians are good at clearing bush.

As a Brazilian I approve of this message.


/Agreed brother!
 
2012-11-28 01:46:20 PM  
img1.etsystatic.com
My drink isn't going to fix itself, João.
 
2012-11-28 01:47:26 PM  

GAT_00: So whereas a forest here in NA can be cut and the land could be productive for decades, land clearcut in tropical areas will be completely unproductive within 3 years, and you'll only get a full crop the first year.


I am assuming that most of the deforestation is due to lazy/cheap (greedy) agricultural techniques (slash and burn rotation). Can the land be farmed using good crop rotation techniques (corn > fallow > pasture > nitrogen rich crop) or is just screwed to eventual desertification after the rain-forest is gone?
 
2012-11-28 01:55:54 PM  

Warrener: My own preference would be to bury them. If we can do it deep enough we'll have plenty of coal again in a few thousand years.

/Bulldoze the rainforest to save the environment.


Exactly, just like exploding a fire in a non enclosed place to remove the close by air and minimize the damage. It's the only way to be sure. And did anybody think of the damage we're doing by limiting CO2? The trees need to breathe too. Think of the trees.
 
2012-11-28 01:59:38 PM  

Burr: GAT_00: So whereas a forest here in NA can be cut and the land could be productive for decades, land clearcut in tropical areas will be completely unproductive within 3 years, and you'll only get a full crop the first year.

I am assuming that most of the deforestation is due to lazy/cheap (greedy) agricultural techniques (slash and burn rotation). Can the land be farmed using good crop rotation techniques (corn > fallow > pasture > nitrogen rich crop) or is just screwed to eventual desertification after the rain-forest is gone?


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