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(Slate)   Was Darwin responsible for Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot? Here's a book about the "yes" version of the answer   (slate.com) divider line 198
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2012-11-28 06:26:14 AM  
Hmm Hitler was a catholic turned protestant so I'm guessing no on that one. Can't speak to Stalin or his pot
 
2012-11-28 07:39:06 AM  
 
2012-11-28 09:19:00 AM  
Its 2012. I can't believe we're still debating evolution.

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2012-11-28 10:04:02 AM  
human beings will find any excuse they can to be dicks. some will use religion, some will use science some will use fark.
 
2012-11-28 10:06:28 AM  
is this the thread where we pine for Bevets?

Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep god out of their brainwaves.

better?
 
2012-11-28 10:06:37 AM  
Johnson's book comes in at 151 pages, with large text and generous line spacing.

To me that just screams that the people Johnson is targeting with his book don't like to read and are probably not very good at it anyway.
 
2012-11-28 10:09:00 AM  
Nope. Racial purity and such goes back far longer then evolution. To blame those atrocities on that is to have no idea what evolution does, and to ignore thousands of years of the same activities.
 
2012-11-28 10:09:14 AM  
By Mark Joseph Stern|Posted Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012, at 3:15 PM ET

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2012-11-28 10:09:52 AM  
To provide fair consideration: the position of creationists lacks any intellectual merit, and thus fallacious reasoning -- such as "guilt by association" and "argument against adverse consequence" -- are the only methods remaining, apart from outright lies (which are often utilized in constructing their fallacious arguments regardless), by which they can advocate their agenda.
 
2012-11-28 10:11:55 AM  
On Fark, Darwin is the Pavlovian reply when someone dies doing something stupid, whether they have reproduced or not.
 
2012-11-28 10:13:12 AM  
A great find in the fiction aisle for all your fundy friends this christmas!
 
2012-11-28 10:13:22 AM  

Antimatter: Nope. Racial purity and such goes back far longer then evolution. To blame those atrocities on that is to have no idea what evolution does, and to ignore thousands of years of the same activities.


Yeah, IIRC Herbert Spencer was the one who came up with the phrase "survival of the fittest", not Darwin.
 
2012-11-28 10:15:25 AM  
For what it's worth, most historians on the subject draw a very clear and direct link from Martin Luther (not King, Jr., btw, but the founder of Lutheranism) to Hitler based on his writings with such evocative titles as "On the Jews and Their Lies".

But, here's a fun little activity if anyone is interested. Download an English-translated copy of Mein Kampf, open it up and search for "evolution" and "God" and count to see which one shows up more. Also look at the context that surrounds each of the uses. Evolution shows up very infrequently, and never in reference to science, always in reference to just simply "change". God, on the other hand, shows up at a higher frequency and nearly always in a religious superiority or divine mission type of context.
 
2012-11-28 10:15:27 AM  
is Pol Pot like a Neti Pot?

those things can like destroy your brain
 
2012-11-28 10:17:32 AM  
Blaming Darwin for Social Darwinism is like blaming Pasteur for Jenny McCarthy.
 
2012-11-28 10:19:07 AM  

Arkanaut: Antimatter: Nope. Racial purity and such goes back far longer then evolution. To blame those atrocities on that is to have no idea what evolution does, and to ignore thousands of years of the same activities.

Yeah, IIRC Herbert Spencer was the one who came up with the phrase "survival of the fittest", not Darwin.


Not only that, but Darwin was on record as hating that phrase. He preferred natural selection, which is a lot more accurate.
 
2012-11-28 10:19:17 AM  

Kome: Download an English-translated copy of Mein Kampf


Translated by liberal commie atheist academics, I'll bet.
 
2012-11-28 10:20:25 AM  

vernonFL: Its 2012. I can't believe we're still debating evolution.

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We allowed Southerners to survive the Civil War and to breed their ignorance into the present day. Southerners are like a disease; if you allow so much as one spore to survive, it'll come back to re-infect more nasty than ever.
 
2012-11-28 10:23:50 AM  

Majick Thise: Hmm Hitler was a catholic turned protestant so I'm guessing no on that one. Can't speak to Stalin or his pot


Hitler's religion is kind of beside the point, to be honest. Catholics and Protestants have been very influential in developing evolutionary theory, and the notion that there is a necessary conflict between religion and science is a false dichotomy. But Hitler's attempt at genocide certainly has no support from natural selection, which is a theory about differential reproduction. If Hitler had actually read and understood Darwin, he would not have bothered trying to exterminate his "enemies," he would simply have encouraged the supposed "Aryans" to have more kids.

Stalin supported Lysenko, whose theories were fundamentally anti-Darwinian and had far more in common with Lamarck's notions. In fact, because of Lysenkoism, the field of genetics in Russia was held back for more than a generation.

I am not aware of Pol Pot ever even discussing the subject.

In any case, the notion that "the strong should kill the weak" or "violence is the supreme law of nature" is in direct conflict with Darwin's ideas, and derives much more coherently from Herbert Spencer's social theories than from anything in biology. Natural selection is all about who gets laid, not about who gets killed.

/$0.02
 
2012-11-28 10:28:27 AM  

Kome: Download an English-translated copy of Mein Kampf


I did. Boring.
Turns out, it's a book about Hitler's favourite chair.
 
2012-11-28 10:29:38 AM  
FTA: " Many nonreligious people recognize the truth of natural selection without collapsing into nihilistic despair; one need not reject the reality of evolution in order to live a meaningful, moral life"

Evolution, the vastness of the universe, etc. in no way lead to the loss of human dignity. This is a (faulty) moral, not a scientific conclusion.
 
2012-11-28 10:34:55 AM  
Didn't Ben Stein already trot this one out?
 
2012-11-28 10:39:47 AM  

Bag of Hammers: Didn't Ben Stein already trot this one out?


Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error. They do no research on their own, thus new creationist arguments only arise when a new scientific finding emerges that may be misrepresented as somehow supporting a creationist position.
 
2012-11-28 10:42:01 AM  
Was Jesus responsible for millions of deaths in the Old Testament? If you believe he is God then the obvious answer is YES.
 
2012-11-28 10:44:24 AM  
Hitler DID base a fair amount of his thoughts on the models and ideas brought forward by the American Eugenics Society. JP Morgan, Jr., William Kellogg, several founders of Planned Parenthood, were all members. Darwin's own son, Leonard wrote extensively and worked within the American Eugenics Society.

That being said, Darwin's observations about adaptation over time leading to divergent speciation were taken by many to mean a lot of different things. Man coming from monkeys being a popular trope, that has about as much basis in fact as my banging Felicia Day and Natalie Portman in a three way last night.

Marx would have been horrified at what was done with his work by Stalinists. What folks do with ideas is often far and away from the original work. Turning treatise on the origin of species into a raison d'être for the extermination of one's neighbors is not the fault of the author, but rather those who are looking for an excuse, and would like to have someone to back up their reasoning, to appear to be erudite and well considered. Sort of like looking to the Bible to excuse oneself for acting to deny folks rights and even their lives. Should we blame Catholicism for Hitler's rise as well? What about Stalin's own religious views? Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist, and thus we should attribute Teravada Buddhism for his crimes?

Darwin and his On the Origin of Species is often willfully misunderstood. About as often as Karl Marx's work, and Gods help me, even Ayn Rand's own work. Ayn still remains a vile example of a human, which she proved fairly often in her writing and her correspondence, but the foundations of Objectivism differ with Marxism and what has been dubbed Darwinism, in that they were based on published papers, and then those ideas were taken up by others, interpreted and used as inspiration for more work, while Rand was very much focused on making a living off the rubes that she convinced to make her their pet. Darwin and Marx were both scholars first, and their work was a foundation upon which others continued upon.

Like Darwin and Marx though, Rand has been taken as a symbol, and often scrubbed by those who would like to use her work to justify their own ends. Oddly enough, by Conservatives who routinely strip away her rejection of faith and religion of any sort, and ignoring what that rejection wrought within her own philosophy. Darwin and Marx, published scholarly work, that was interpreted and used and then taken up, and often willfully misquoted and skewed to meet their own agenda, in blatant disregard from the original work.


This isn't exactly a groundbreaking revelation, but it's important to put things in perspective, which Paul Johnson is trying to skew. His conclusions are very much based in a political agenda, as opposed to the role of biographer. He has an axe to grind, and is essentially looking to be a quote mill for others to use to back up their own agendas, while ignoring the real work, or the real man that he chose to focus upon.

Darwin's work wasn't an effort to secularize the world, nor was it an open affront to all that is Godly on this Earth, but a collection of observations that divorced themselves mysticism, and instead focused on what was readily apparent to those who would look at the world in an objective fashion. The ire, the vitriol, all that is focused on someone whose main "crime" was to look at things without imposition of preconception.

Pol Pot, as a Theravada Buddhist, one might at least point to that early education in looking to direct experience and a lack of blind faith, and at least argue that training led him down the road that he took. Likewise, one might also blame his rise to power on Napoleon II or the Jesuits. Looking to Darwin as a scapegoat is about as useful. Folks are looking for excuses, and they are looking for someone to blame, while ignoring the glaring inconsistencies in any sort of self examination.
 
2012-11-28 10:48:20 AM  

Majick Thise: Hmm Hitler was a catholic turned protestant so I'm guessing no on that one. Can't speak to Stalin or his pot


How do we know he really changed? He could have stayed Catholic the whole time and history could have been adjusted by the winning side to spare the Church. There are plenty of links to Catholics and Nazis. Even today.
 
2012-11-28 10:48:46 AM  
galton.org
Sir Francis Galton - Charles Darwin's cousin. Galton was a mathematician and a sociologist who coined the term eugenics. Galton championed the idea of "negative eugenics" under which certain "undesirables" would not be allowed to breed under any circumstances. Hitler was a huge fan of Galton's work, and he made Galton's book, Hereditary Genius, required reading for the inner circle. 

Galton was also the first person to use the word "normal" to describe those human beings that were unremarkable and lacking of any sort of potential to change the world in any way.

/Nice guy.
 
2012-11-28 10:54:50 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: [galton.org image 600x367]
Sir Francis Galton - Charles Darwin's cousin.


Just goes to show you, "being correct" doesn't run in families.
 
2012-11-28 11:03:29 AM  
A good view of evolution and Social Darwinism: Fit to Rule
 
2012-11-28 11:05:36 AM  
FTFA: Paul Johnson, the conservative, family-values-promoting British intellectual.

WTF! When did the British start exporting their religious zealots to the U.S.?

... oh right.
 
2012-11-28 11:08:37 AM  
The argument from consequence: "If people believe this, bad things will happen."
It hardly even qualifies as an argument - it's more of a lame-brained joke, really.
 
2012-11-28 11:11:43 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: human beings will find any excuse they can to be dicks. some will use religion, some will use science some will use fark.


People will make up shiat on the fly to make themselves superior to other groups. Maybe we should ban imagination. Hilter probably imagined how to gas millions of people efficiently.

/sarc
 
2012-11-28 11:12:07 AM  

rwfan: FTFA: Paul Johnson, the conservative, family-values-promoting British intellectual.

WTF! When did the British start exporting their religious zealots to the U.S.?

... oh right.


I LOL'd
 
2012-11-28 11:14:27 AM  

Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.


except atheistic evolutionists like yourself frequently lie, because they refuse to acknowledge Truth

/but nevermind the little things
 
2012-11-28 11:17:34 AM  

I drunk what: is this the thread where we pine for Bevets?

Evolutionism is the tinfoil hat atheists wear to keep god out of their brainwaves.

better?


Count on it being the thread where we learn that all of history's dictators were Libbylib Leftist Libtards.
 
2012-11-28 11:23:10 AM  

WizardofToast: Maybe we should ban imagination.


I haven't called for anything to banned. stop imagining things...
 
2012-11-28 11:26:08 AM  

FloydA: Stalin supported Lysenko, whose theories were fundamentally anti-Darwinian and had far more in common with Lamarck's notions. In fact, because of Lysenkoism, the field of genetics in Russia was held back for more than a generation.


And let us not forget that a great many people starved to death due to Lysenko being a complete idiot who didn't know a damned thing about plants.
 
2012-11-28 11:26:16 AM  
Taking the 'you' out of eugenics!
 
2012-11-28 11:27:02 AM  
Darwin's concept of evolution had no set direction -no definitions of "forward," or "higher", or "superior"- the way Hitler's concept of dehumanization did. The one and only similarity is that they are both centered around accidents of birth: immutable characteristics of organisms, like species or ethnicity, and that similarity is largely a matter of happenstance.

The connections to Stalin, Pol Pot, and the like are even weaker. These dictators based their own concepts of dehumanization on beliefs, ideologies, religions: in other words, states of mind, which people can and do change from time to time. If we must draw parallels with models of evolution, they'd be closer to Lamarck than to Darwin.

Either way, these parallels are not useful. Darwin would have been horrified to see his ideas applied against different groups of human beings. No line of responsibility can be drawn.
 
2012-11-28 11:30:30 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: FTA: " Many nonreligious people recognize the truth of natural selection without collapsing into nihilistic despair; one need not reject the reality of evolution in order to live a meaningful, moral life"

Evolution, the vastness of the universe, etc. in no way lead to the loss of human dignity. This is a (faulty) moral, not a scientific conclusion.


No, this is a failure of personal worth. These poor bastards have been convinced that they are born wicked, sinful, and condemned to Hell without the love and forgiveness of Jesus. Anything that threatens the existence of their God, as evolution does in its logical conclusion that Genesis is not historically true, is a threat to their entire sense of self-worth.
 
2012-11-28 11:30:40 AM  
Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

His MO is to seize control of the discussion and keep it, and the most basic way to do this is to withhold information from others and never acquiesce to any questions, comments or requests. By claiming some hidden truth that is beyond everyone's insight but keeping it undefined, he places himself in a role as Teacher or Guru or whatever fantasy Authority he imagines himself as. He doesn't mind arguing in his own backyard, but he'd much prefer to constantly hop from backyard to backyard, forcing you to chase him through separate, discordant arguments and fallacies of distraction. If you corner him, he'll usually chop your post up into little pieces and then reply to each piece individually with one these responses:

1) a question attacking your line of questioning, turning it back on you
2) a loaded and nonsensical analogy which may include a dodge, misdirection, or introduction of additional and usually irrelevant subject matter or
3) a sarcastic snipe at the subject and/or you (sometimes with image attached)

And then the chase begins again. There's no knowledge or wisdom to gain here (from either you or him) and he has no insights to impart. His questions have no purpose. He just wants to control you and force you to jump through his hoops that he will constantly move around on you so that you fail and he can claim superiority. You are wasting your time.

For an example, in this 3 year old thread he concocted a logic game similar to the wason selection test with rules that he could change at any time for any reason, foisted it upon the thread, toyed with the posters for a whole day while refusing to give the answer, and then eventually concluded that everyone was wrong.

It's part of his technique to constantly assume Authoritarian control. He gets off on giving people challenges and quests with no point other than so he can withhold the non-existent answers from them (like his "True Definition of Nature" theory -- he poses this riddle to everyone but there's no answer. He just enjoys watching people struggle). It's the old schoolyard power trip: "I know something you don't and I won't tell you what it is".

That he's been doing this schtick for so long is an indication that he will never stop and there's nothing new to be garnered from him, like he's stuck in a perpetual feedback loop, recycling the same arguments in every thread pertinent to his special brand of Christian theology (he's probably already posted the Wason test that he so infamously failed at solving many years ago. It's his way of dealing with the embarrassment by mocking it).

Despite the fact that he frequently loses these discussions, he'll continue posting them as if they're unsolvable, ignoring repeated and consistent replies defeating them. He has never been the type to swallow his pride and admit when he's wrong so you'll never get anywhere with him (and he'll always mock you if you try). It is very likely that he has NPD and people replying to him on Fark is how he strokes his ego so he can never stop no matter how many humiliating threads send him down in flames.

In short: He is a complete and total waste of your god damn time. Reply at your peril; I suggest ignore.
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2012-11-28 11:31:11 AM  

I drunk what: Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.

except atheistic evolutionists like yourself frequently lie, because they refuse to acknowledge Truth

/but nevermind the little things


Translation: "No, You!"

Feh.
 
2012-11-28 11:41:42 AM  
This must mean that the Wright Brothers are responsible for 9/11.

Those evil, evil Wright Brothers.
 
2012-11-28 11:41:59 AM  
1. Social Darwinism is an off-the-cuff social science theory that was discredited basically as soon as it was articulated by actual science and philosphy, though it took until about the 1940s for that discrediting to stick with the public. It has nothing to do with Darwin, and its connection to Natural Selection theory is, essentially, nonexistent. Social Darwinism's relationship to Darwin is about the same as Scientology's relationship to Science.

2. Stalin explicitly banned the teaching of real evolutionary theory, especially natural selection, on the grounds that it wasn't marxist enough. Up through the damned 1980s universities in Soviet nations had to teach Lamarckian theory instead, a theory that was only credible for about a decade in the 1800s before it was soundly disproven.

3. Some of the racial supremacy movements did, in fact, base their bullshiat on evolutionary theory, but their grasp of it was about as good as that of a modern creationist, as you'll quickly discover by reading more than a line or two of that tripe. It was usually immediately clear that the basics of the statistical concepts involved were about ten years of education over the head of the politicians pushing that nonsense.

The worst that can be said of modern evolutionary theory is that it didn't noticeably improve human behavior. Since, conveniently, that's not in any way the purpose of science, no one has to care about this. People were still asshats when they worked out gravitational mechanics, when they realized the solar system was heliocentric, when the world being a sphere become common knowledge, when they realized you could make fire rather than get it from the sky, etc. I don't know why stupid people are holding basic biology up to that standard, other than the obvious (that they're stupid).
 
2012-11-28 11:43:30 AM  
 
2012-11-28 11:44:16 AM  
You can't blame good ideas for the idiots and con-men who later embrace a twisted version of those ideas.
 
2012-11-28 11:46:04 AM  

I drunk what: except atheistic evolutionists like yourself frequently lie, because they refuse to acknowledge Truth


Yes, sir we got trouble (got trouble)
they're not acknowledging the Truth (the Truth)
with a capiital T and that rhymes with B
and that stands for 'Bullshiat'.

//Yes friends, the idle thread is the dumb troll's plaything! TROUBLE!
 
2012-11-28 11:48:27 AM  

Bukharin: Kome: Download an English-translated copy of Mein Kampf

I did. Boring.
Turns out, it's a book about Hitler's favourite chair.


Mein Kampfy Sessel or Mein Kampfy Stuhl?
 
2012-11-28 11:53:08 AM  
Yes. Newton is responsible for gun violence, Einstein is responsible for online sexual predators, and Hooke is responsible for bio-terrorism.
 
2012-11-28 11:54:23 AM  

Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.


what a very obedient little pet you are, how touching

go get the paper boy, beg... beg...

good boy
 
2012-11-28 11:56:50 AM  

Raharu: His questions have no purpose.


what questions do have purpose?
 
2012-11-28 12:05:13 PM  
and just for bonus lulz

Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

WARNING: ORIGINAL THOUGHT DETECTED!! WARNING!!! ASSUME THE POSITIONS!!1!

tcktcktck.org...


i'm always amused by how many people are terrified of Reality

i guess they are just bigoted truthphobes, but their empty walls of text are pretty cute

*salutes to the Idiot Brigade* carry on soldiers, as you were
 
2012-11-28 12:05:19 PM  

Ed Grubermann: FloydA: Stalin supported Lysenko, whose theories were fundamentally anti-Darwinian and had far more in common with Lamarck's notions. In fact, because of Lysenkoism, the field of genetics in Russia was held back for more than a generation.

And let us not forget that a great many people starved to death due to Lysenko being a complete idiot who didn't know a damned thing about plants.


IDK. So many Russians had died of famine before Lysenko got traction, that he might have been more of a Stalin troll than an actual contributing factor.
 
2012-11-28 12:10:46 PM  

mainsail: I drunk what: Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.

except atheistic evolutionists like yourself frequently lie, because they refuse to acknowledge Truth

/but nevermind the little things

Translation: "No, You!"

Feh.


Tell ya what skippy, you quote one thing that is true in his post, and i'll give it a go

anywhere in this thread
 
2012-11-28 12:19:05 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: human beings will find any excuse they can to be dicks. some will use religion, some will use science some will use fark.


Yet when certain catastrophes happen, some of them will blame God or say "God did that b/c we're 'wicked'" or some variation of same.
 
2012-11-28 12:19:10 PM  
Instead of smart and funny buttons it would have been great to see a feature that allowed us to not see the posts of people we ignored when they are quoted by people who insist on feeding the trolls.
 
2012-11-28 12:20:12 PM  
Evolution and social Darwinism are NOT the same.
 
2012-11-28 12:21:16 PM  

Egoy3k: Instead of smart and funny buttons it would have been great to see a feature that allowed us to not see the posts of people we ignored when they are quoted by people who insist on feeding the trolls.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-28 12:24:20 PM  

Rwa2play: Yet when certain catastrophes happen, some of them will blame God or say "God did that b/c we're 'wicked'" or some variation of same


yes, those would be the people who use religion to be dicks. as I said.
 
2012-11-28 12:24:21 PM  

I drunk what: acknowledge Truth


In truth, how old do you think the earth is?
 
2012-11-28 12:24:21 PM  
Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).
 
2012-11-28 12:29:23 PM  

vactech: In truth, how old do you think the earth is?


6,000 - 5,000,000,000 years

give or take a billion

In truth, do you believe there is scientific evidence to the support the core of Darwin's theory of Evolution, particularly concerning the concept of Universal Common Ancestry?

do you believe there is any evidence against it?
 
2012-11-28 12:32:11 PM  
PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE I DRUNK WHAT/BEVETS ALT TROLL!
 
2012-11-28 12:37:03 PM  

Bag of Hammers: PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE I DRUNK WHAT/BEVETS ALT TROLL!


I drunk what: In truth, how old do you think the earth is?

6,000 - 5,000,000,000 years

give or take a billion


He won't commit. I think I will take a break today.
 
2012-11-28 12:37:18 PM  

Egoy3k: Instead of smart and funny buttons it would have been great to see a feature that allowed us to not see the posts of people we ignored when they are quoted by people who insist on feeding the trolls.


if we ignored the Idiot Brigade where would Drew get revenue from?

Raharu img.fark.net

meh, i guess trolls that pay for the privilege are worth something to someone...

nevermind, i withdraw the question
 
2012-11-28 12:37:58 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: A good view of evolution and Social Darwinism: Fit to Rule


Came to post from The Day the Universe Changed; I see that my work is done here.
 
2012-11-28 12:38:18 PM  

lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).


As you are an established liar, your claims lack any credibility.
 
2012-11-28 12:39:51 PM  

rwfan: FTFA: Paul Johnson, the conservative, family-values-promoting British intellectual.

WTF! When did the British start exporting their religious zealots to the U.S.?

... oh right.


Paul Johnson the conservative, family-values-promoting British hypocrite who likes being spanked while he's cheating on his wife.

Why would anyone pay attention to this hypocirtical piece of shiat?
 
2012-11-28 12:41:42 PM  

I drunk what: In truth, do you believe there is scientific evidence to the support the core of Darwin's theory of Evolution, particularly concerning the concept of Universal Common Ancestry?

do you believe there is any evidence against it?


vactech: He won't commit.


I think I will take a break today.

/yawn

How old do you think the earth is?
 
2012-11-28 12:44:16 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Count on it being the thread where we learn that all of history's dictators were Libbylib Leftist Libtards.


so then vote democrat?
 
2012-11-28 12:45:19 PM  

Egoy3k: Instead of smart and funny buttons it would have been great to see a feature that allowed us to not see the posts of people we ignored when they are quoted by people who insist on feeding the trolls.


This feature exists. Check the 'Tools' section of myFark.
 
2012-11-28 12:46:43 PM  

Mr. Dimensio: As you are an established liar, your claims lack any credibility.


lol.
hellogiggles.com
 
2012-11-28 12:49:02 PM  

nekulor: Mein Kampfy Sessel or Mein Kampfy Stuhl?


Mein Kampfy Klobrille
 
2012-11-28 12:49:05 PM  

I drunk what: I drunk what: In truth, do you believe there is scientific evidence to the support the core of Darwin's theory of Evolution, particularly concerning the concept of Universal Common Ancestry?

do you believe there is any evidence against it?

vactech: He won't commit.

I think I will take a break today.

/yawn

How old do you think the earth is?


Now hold on there lad. Patience my son! Patience. We aren't there yet.

brb
 
2012-11-28 12:51:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: vernonFL: Its 2012. I can't believe we're still debating evolution.

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]

We allowed Southerners to survive the Civil War and to breed their ignorance into the present day. Southerners are like a disease; if you allow so much as one spore to survive, it'll come back to re-infect more nasty than ever.


You know who else thought a large segment of his population was like a disease...
 
2012-11-28 12:52:00 PM  

vactech: brb


gotta jet? lulz
 
2012-11-28 12:52:31 PM  

lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).


I'm bored with I drunk what. This guy's much funnier.
 
2012-11-28 12:54:51 PM  

Dimensio: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

As you are an established liar, your claims lack any credibility.


Oh look, my stalker is back. Guess the last ban wasn't long enough for ya.
 
2012-11-28 12:57:16 PM  

Egoy3k: Instead of smart and funny buttons it would have been great to see a feature that allowed us to not see the posts of people we ignored when they are quoted by people who insist on feeding the trolls.


You know, your brain can ignore things the old fashioned way too.
 
2012-11-28 12:57:55 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I'm bored with I drunk what.


not enough politics tab? geeks are boring

hey guys lets talk about science fartbama!
 
2012-11-28 12:58:15 PM  
By writing this comment I am giving Paul Johnson's stupid book more attention than it deserves.
 
2012-11-28 12:58:42 PM  

I drunk what: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

what a very obedient little pet you are, how touching

go get the paper boy, beg... beg...

good boy


Oh hey. Have you figured out how to do the Wason card selection task that was introduced to you like three or four years ago yet? Because you still are the only moron in the history of morons to have answered it the way you did.

But please, do go on about how you magically have access to the "Truth" while the rest of us - with a multitude of backgrounds, educations, and experiences - continue to make fun of your dumb ass.
 
2012-11-28 01:02:12 PM  

dehehn: You know, your brain


hey now! there's no need to get hysterical

let's be reasonable here

if someone wants to shelter their precious inner snowflake from thoughts that are different than theirs, that is their god given right

who are you to judge?
 
2012-11-28 01:03:11 PM  

dehehn: TV's Vinnie: vernonFL: Its 2012. I can't believe we're still debating evolution.

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]

We allowed Southerners to survive the Civil War and to breed their ignorance into the present day. Southerners are like a disease; if you allow so much as one spore to survive, it'll come back to re-infect more nasty than ever.

You know who else thought a large segment of his population was like a disease...


In this case, they are.
 
2012-11-28 01:08:54 PM  
Hmm no, Martin Luther and Henry Ford were far more inspirational to Hitler than Charles Darwin ever was.

Oh and we been having the which race is best war for the last several thousand years. I am not sure how much evolution has in this, other than someone being a jackass hack who trying to fleece stupid people out of their money to say "look how evil science is. That is why I am special!"
 
2012-11-28 01:10:46 PM  

lordaction: Dimensio: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

As you are an established liar, your claims lack any credibility.

Oh look, my stalker is back. Guess the last ban wasn't long enough for ya.


Your claim of a "ban" is another lie. I am not "stalking" you; your claim that I am a "stalker" is a lie.

As you are an established liar, your claims lack credibility.
 
2012-11-28 01:10:53 PM  

Kome: Oh hey. Have you figured out how to do the Wason card selection task that was introduced to you like three or four years ago yet?


not yet, perhaps you can assist me?

upload.wikimedia.org

which cards should i turn over?

Kome: Because you still are the only moron in the history of morons to have answered it the way you did.


nobody agreed with me? :( i haz a sad

Kome: But please, do go on about how you magically have access to the "Truth"


well i don't usually refer to a 5th grade reading comprehension level as "magic", but if you feel more comfortable with that terms i suppose we can oblige you

Kome: while the rest of us - with a multitude of backgrounds, educations, and experiences - continue to make fun of your dumb ass.


well everyone already knows my boring background, but i do enjoy hearing from my personal fan club

what are the education levels of Bag of Hammers, Pants full of macaroni!!, vactech, Jim_Callahan, Raharu, Ishkur, etc..?

any of them beyond that magical level of understanding?
 
2012-11-28 01:13:08 PM  
And who was responsible for creating Charles Darwin? That is right, God was. Who was responsible for creating Hitler? God was. Who is responsible for every death in the world, all it's misery, all it's horrors, that is right God is.

God is the biggest monster in creation.
 
2012-11-28 01:14:56 PM  
When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.
 
2012-11-28 01:20:10 PM  
Yeah, the guy who came up with the theory of evolution, which makes clear the benefits of a diverse population, is responsible for genocide with the goal of creating a less diverse population. That's the ticket.
 
2012-11-28 01:25:11 PM  
Wow, congratulations, I drunk what. Being the most annoying person in a evolution thread is quite the accomplishment.
 
2012-11-28 01:25:13 PM  

Dimensio: Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.


that's because we're still stuck on that silly wason test, thinkin' is hard

Slaves2Darkness: Who is responsible for all Good things in the Universe? that is right God is.


getting warmer

though i'm glad to see that you won't have any problem with removing Evil things from the equation

some of your friends are having a little more trouble letting go

/darn that free will
 
2012-11-28 01:26:39 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Being the most annoying person


what in particular do you find annoying?
 
2012-11-28 01:33:09 PM  

Arkanaut: By Mark Joseph Stern|Posted Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012, at 3:15 PM ET

old


But here on Fark, it's new to us!

/Fark, 2 weeks to 2 months behind the rest of the internet
 
2012-11-28 01:37:39 PM  

Dimensio: lordaction: Dimensio: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

As you are an established liar, your claims lack any credibility.

Oh look, my stalker is back. Guess the last ban wasn't long enough for ya.

Your claim of a "ban" is another lie. I am not "stalking" you; your claim that I am a "stalker" is a lie.

As you are an established liar, your claims lack credibility.


This is what makes it so hard to talk to you. I never know which one of your personalities I am talking to. For some reason all of your different personalities always fixate on me for some reason and I am some type of convergence (you might want to mention this to your therapist, it might be a clue). It started about a year ago with you sending me several pictures of yourself dressed as Rainbow Brite. I thought it was kind of funny and messaged you back and got this furious email from you accusing me of hacking your computer and stealing pictures. Evidently, it was another personality that sent them. About a week later I get more pictures from you, this time as a Cabbage Patch doll. Same thing happens again. This is also where you got on your kick that I was a liar. You refused to believe you were sending me these pictures. Is any of this ringing any bells for you? Since then you follow me all over Fark and accuse me of hacking your computer and lying to you about it. It does get annoying at times but I do have to admit the last batch where you dressed up as Strawberry Shortcake was to die for.
 
2012-11-28 01:49:12 PM  
Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.
 
2012-11-28 01:54:08 PM  

lordaction: This is what makes it so hard to talk to you.


Pants full of macaroni!!: This guy's much funnier.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-28 01:55:36 PM  

lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).


So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?
 
2012-11-28 01:56:08 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Yeah, the guy who came up with the theory of evolution, which makes clear the benefits of a diverse population, is responsible for genocide with the goal of creating a less diverse population. That's the ticket.


To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.
 
2012-11-28 01:56:58 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Yeah, the guy who came up with the theory of evolution, which makes clear the benefits of a diverse population, is responsible for genocide with the goal of creating a less diverse population. That's the ticket.


To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.

lordaction: Dimensio: lordaction: Dimensio: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

As you are an established liar, your claims lack any credibility.

Oh look, my stalker is back. Guess the last ban wasn't long enough for ya.

Your claim of a "ban" is another lie. I am not "stalking" you; your claim that I am a "stalker" is a lie.

As you are an established liar, your claims lack credibility.

This is what makes it so hard to talk to you. I never know which one of your personalities I am talking to. For some reason all of your different personalities always fixate on me for some reason and I am some type of convergence (you might want to mention this to your therapist, it might be a clue). It started about a year ago with you sending me several pictures of yourself dressed as Rainbow Brite. I thought it was kind of funny and messaged you back and got this furious email from you accusing me of hacking your computer and stealing pictures. Evidently, it was another personality that sent them. About a week later I get more pictures from you, this time as a Cabbage Patch doll. Same thing happens again. This is also where you got on your kick that I was a liar. You refused to believe you were sending me these pictures. Is any of this ringing any bells for you? Since then you follow me all over Fark and accuse me of hacking your computer and lying to you about it. It does get annoying at times but I do have to admit the last batch where you dressed up as Strawberry Shortcake was to die for.


As you are an established liar, claims issued by you lack any credibility.
 
2012-11-28 02:03:04 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?


Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.
 
2012-11-28 02:07:59 PM  

FloydA: Stalin supported Lysenko, whose theories were fundamentally anti-Darwinian and had far more in common with Lamarck's notions. In fact, because of Lysenkoism, the field of genetics in Russia was held back for more than a generation.



...which is a great cautionary tale about the failings of Political Correctness in Science which the Republicans would do well to take heed.

They won't, of course, but it would be great if they could learn a lesson from history once in a while.
 
2012-11-28 02:08:01 PM  

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.


Eh, the ones that aren't are so rare you might as well look for a unicorn instead, you'll have better luck. So I think we can safely say that all creationists are irrational and stupid, at least with regards to the subject of biology. Since the position espoused by creationism has been thoroughly logically destroyed (i.e. irrational) and realistically anyone literate with access to the internet has see said destruction, i.e. in still believing something verifiably false which has been explained to them they are stupid.

//The exceptions are all de facto illiterate or very young children that just haven't been exposed to actual information yet. Once you go from not being aware of facts to actively denying verifiable facts you go from ignorant (no biggie) to stupid (fark you).
 
2012-11-28 02:08:16 PM  

Dimensio: thurstonxhowell: Yeah, the guy who came up with the theory of evolution, which makes clear the benefits of a diverse population, is responsible for genocide with the goal of creating a less diverse population. That's the ticket.

To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.


To provide fair consideration: evolutionists often send pictures of themselves dressed up in questionable attire to random strangers they are stalking on the internet.

/i see we've reached the entertainment portion of the thread

dude i think you broke him
 
2012-11-28 02:10:45 PM  
I'm seeing a LOT of grey. Can we stop feeding the selection bias troll, please?

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.


Can I steal this?

thurstonxhowell: Wow, congratulations, selection bias troll. Being the most annoying person in a evolution thread is quite the accomplishment.


FTFY
Meh, I'd say he's tied with Bevets on that one.
 
2012-11-28 02:11:01 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.


And none of this has anything to do with whether the following is correct:

people.virginia.edu

Argumentum ad Consequentiam (appeal to consequence) is a fallacy for a reason.
 
2012-11-28 02:13:22 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.

Eh, the ones that aren't are so rare you might as well look for a unicorn instead, you'll have better luck. So I think we can safely say that all creationists are irrational and stupid, at least with regards to the subject of biology. Since the position espoused by creationism has been thoroughly logically destroyed (i.e. irrational) and realistically anyone literate with access to the internet has see said destruction, i.e. in still believing something verifiably false which has been explained to them they are stupid.

//The exceptions are all de facto illiterate or very young children that just haven't been exposed to actual information yet. Once you go from not being aware of facts to actively denying verifiable facts you go from ignorant (no biggie) to stupid (fark you).


25.media.tumblr.com

*anyone bring lube?*

*bite the pillow, going in dry*
 
2012-11-28 02:13:23 PM  

Dimensio: This is what makes it so hard to talk to you. I never know which one of your personalities I am talking to. For some reason all of your different personalities always fixate on me for some reason and I am some type of convergence (you might want to mention this to your therapist, it might be a clue). It started about a year ago with you sending me several pictures of yourself dressed as Rainbow Brite. I thought it was kind of funny and messaged you back and got this furious email from you accusing me of hacking your computer and stealing pictures. Evidently, it was another personality that sent them. About a week later I get more pictures from you, this time as a Cabbage Patch doll. Same thing happens again. This is also where you got on your kick that I was a liar. You refused to believe you were sending me these pictures. Is any of this ringing any bells for you? Since then you follow me all over Fark and accuse me of hacking your computer and lying to you about it. It does get annoying at times but I do have to admit the last batch where you dressed up as Strawberry Shortcake was to die for.

As you are an established liar, claims issued by you lack any credibility.


i4.minus.com
 
2012-11-28 02:15:36 PM  

Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.


Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.
 
2012-11-28 02:17:30 PM  

friday13: I'm seeing a LOT of grey. Can we stop feeding the selection bias troll, please?

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.

Can I steal this?


I welcome any further attempts to extract a logical explanation from a creationist. Feel free to present that challenge, whether verbatim or reworded to your desires, to anyone.
 
2012-11-28 02:20:21 PM  

miscreant: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.


That is exactly why I posted it. I am glad that it could help.
 
2012-11-28 02:21:53 PM  
I agree with everything you said except the bit about Natalie Portman. That was me with her last night and it was with Keira Nightly. Theyre a bit like twins, only not, so it was kinda fun for everyone.
/also tldr
 
2012-11-28 02:22:11 PM  

miscreant: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.



Awww, you're just AFRAID of the TR ... oh never mind, I can't type that with a straight face. He's genuinely annoying and not worth reading. I'm ignoring him, too.
 
2012-11-28 02:24:37 PM  

miscreant: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.


Wow!... I hadn't even really noticed that i have thumbs.

I mean I've seen my hands and other fingers for years, but i suddenly noticed those big short ones on the end. Then i read on wiki that people have thumbs and validated everything it said. I've got an imaginary strawman nemesis that says i don't but, i have a force field that protects me from his magical attacks.

/5th grade reading level
//you're not getting my title lordaction give it up
///they like me, they really like me
 
2012-11-28 02:25:54 PM  

Khellendros: Holocaust Agnostic: Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the following is correct:



Argumentum ad Consequentiam (appeal to consequence) is a fallacy for a reason.


But this thread was never about "is evolution true". It was "was Darwin responsible for Stalin hitler and pol pot".
 
2012-11-28 02:27:57 PM  

I drunk what: Wow!... I hadn't even really noticed that i have thumbs.

I mean I've seen my hands and other fingers for years, but i suddenly noticed those big short ones on the end. Then i read on wiki that people have thumbs and validated everything it said. I've got an imaginary strawman nemesis that says i don't but, i have a force field that protects me from his magical attacks.

/5th grade reading level
//you're not getting my title lordaction give it up
///they like me, they really like me


What did you drunk? You know, for the next time I have a weekend with no responsibilities. I won't judge.
 
2012-11-28 02:29:28 PM  

phaseolus: Awww, you're just AFRAID of the TR ... oh never mind, I can't type that with a straight face. He's genuinely annoying and not worth reading. I'm ignoring him, too.


25.media.tumblr.com

hey guys is this the echo chamber? where we prove our tough guy street cred by circle jerking telling everyone about our proud accomplishment of ignoring anyone who disagrees with us?

which is TOTALLY not a selection bias thing, at all, nope

*yeah dude, you're awesome*

*high five*


well lordaction?

thesportspin.com
 
2012-11-28 02:29:37 PM  

phaseolus: Awww, you're just AFRAID of the TR ... oh never mind, I can't type that with a straight face. He's genuinely annoying and not worth reading. I'm ignoring him, too.


I don't mind most trolls, because they're often just providing a foil for people to make their arguments against, or they can be amusing, but there are some trolls that add absolutely nothing. From what I saw, IDW falls right into that category.
 
2012-11-28 02:32:09 PM  

Dimensio: friday13: I'm seeing a LOT of grey. Can we stop feeding the selection bias troll, please?

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.

Can I steal this?

I welcome any further attempts to extract a logical explanation from a creationist. Feel free to present that challenge, whether verbatim or reworded to your desires, to anyone.


That is the dumbest statement I have ever read. You've loaded your "challenge", which you tried to conceal in your word salad that you regurgitated from Bio 101, but it won't work. That is like me daring someone to prove an object weighs exactly 1 pound but forbidding the use of any system of measurement. Pathetic. Hint for all the rest of you. Whenever you see someone try to obfuscate what they are saying with their terminology you can go ahead and count on them being full of shiat. It is the only way they can hide their stupidity.
 
2012-11-28 02:32:12 PM  

you have pee hands: What did you drunk?


a bucket full of IB brain enhancing vitamins
 
2012-11-28 02:34:17 PM  

lordaction: That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.


the thread isn't closed yet, and they are out in full force

patience, just like vactech said
 
2012-11-28 02:38:12 PM  

I drunk what: lordaction: That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.

the thread isn't closed yet, and they are out in full force

patience, just like vactech said


I forgot to add this to the end of that:

i5.minus.com
 
2012-11-28 02:40:18 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Khellendros: Holocaust Agnostic: Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the following is correct:



Argumentum ad Consequentiam (appeal to consequence) is a fallacy for a reason.

But this thread was never about "is evolution true". It was "was Darwin responsible for Stalin hitler and pol pot".


It's a positional fear piece to dissuade people from believing in Darwin's theory. It disregards the question of the truth of the idea, and instead attacks it through consequence. It attempts to place moral blame on the theory and its creator for other's actions in a effort to discredit. Hence, Argumentum ad Consequentiam.
 
2012-11-28 02:41:20 PM  

I drunk what: a bucket full of IB brain enhancing vitamins


Mind your LD50s.
 
2012-11-28 02:42:30 PM  
 
2012-11-28 02:43:00 PM  

lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?

Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.



Half a step too far. You're not going to troll that many people if you keep that up.
 
2012-11-28 02:44:52 PM  

Kome: But, here's a fun little activity if anyone is interested. Download an English-translated copy of Mein Kampf, open it up and search for "evolution" and "God" and count to see which one shows up more. Also look at the context that surrounds each of the uses. Evolution shows up very infrequently, and never in reference to science, always in reference to just simply "change". God, on the other hand, shows up at a higher frequency and nearly always in a religious superiority or divine mission type of context.


Mein Kampf, mein asz.

The Nazis had farking gigantic crosses painted on their war planes, and "God's With Us" rings on their fingers. Case farking closed.
 
2012-11-28 02:50:59 PM  

I drunk what: lordaction: That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.

the thread isn't closed yet, and they are out in full force

patience, just like vactech said


Who the hell keeps summoning me?! Oh. IDW. I see.

I said "I'd be right back". Which means somewhere between 6 days to 7 years from now (give or take a few weeks).

Look IDW, just hold the fort... Then I'll fix everything you farked up when I return.
 
2012-11-28 02:57:38 PM  

Bukharin: nekulor: Mein Kampfy Sessel or Mein Kampfy Stuhl?

Mein Kampfy Klobrille


Mann muss von seine Klobrille regiert, wenn er letze Macht will.
 
2012-11-28 02:57:49 PM  
Majick Thise


Hmm Hitler was a catholic turned protestant so I'm guessing no on that one. Can't speak to Stalin or his pot

Failed history huh? Hitler believed all the Jesus religions were crazy cults.
 
2012-11-28 03:00:31 PM  
Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.


Ignoring facts when they get in the way? So does fark's acceptable religion
 
2012-11-28 03:02:29 PM  
Even if Darwin was a Nazi (and he wasn't) that wouldn't mean he's wrong about evolution.
 
2012-11-28 03:05:15 PM  

vactech: just hold the fort..


i'll pass, sticky floors aint my scene

vactech: Then I'll mop up when I return.


knock yourself out kiddo
 
Ant
2012-11-28 03:30:34 PM  
What kills me is all the people who are trying to disprove a scientific theory by citing all the negative effects that acceptance of the theory supposedly have. Even if acceptance of natural selection caused everyone to become instant Hitler copies, how does that disprove the theory's truthfulness?

argumentum ad consequentiam
 
2012-11-28 03:36:40 PM  
*phew!* *gasp*

Out of breath! I ran back as fast as I could. What tha'?! 30 minutes between IDW's post and Ant's! This thread is dildos!

Way. To. Go. IDW.

I told you to sit tight till I got back. And now look!
 
2012-11-28 03:41:40 PM  

hubiestubert: Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist


He went to a Catholic school.
 
Ant
2012-11-28 03:47:39 PM  
Another stupid thing they like to do is project the naturalistic fallacy onto everyone else. If natural selection is true, it must be morally acceptable to base our civilization upon it.
 
2012-11-28 03:50:02 PM  
This thread...
www.plognark.com
 
2012-11-28 03:50:10 PM  

I drunk what: how old do you think the earth is?

6,000 - 5,000,000,000 years

give or take a billion


In understanding Gods work IDW, we're going to have to settle the "ground work" so to speak. If you want me to help you with this, you're going to have tell me the the truth about what you think. How am I going to explain any biological theory to you if we don't know where you stand on the age of the earth? Can anyone in the class help him out? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Look IDW, buck up! Don't be afraid to speak God's Truth (TM). Bevets wasn't.

The Earth is:

a. 6000 years old
b. 100 000 years old
c. 4.54 billion years
d. I'm to afraid to say. Someone might make fun of me for what I believe.

It's a simple test, IDW. Even a child could answer this one.
 
2012-11-28 03:50:50 PM  

Ant: Another stupid thing they like to do is project the naturalistic fallacy onto everyone else. If natural selection is true, it must be morally acceptable to base our civilization upon it.


Deriving an "ought" from an "is"?
 
2012-11-28 04:05:03 PM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-28 04:15:48 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Galton was also the first person to use the word "normal" to describe those human beings that were unremarkable and lacking of any sort of potential to change the world in any way.


I think that's an unfair view of it. You can still educate people that don't have diabetes, peanut allergies, glasses, deafness, schizophrenia, pompe, etc. It's just much cheaper and easier that having legions of special ed or special needs kids. People will still be pretty much the same, except everyone won't need expensive surgeries or medicines to be 'normal'. I needed expensive LASIK to get good eyesite and not have to wear contacts. My brothers have diabetes; it would be nice to have kids some day knowing they wouldn't have any of those problems. If the answer is I can't have kids or only with certain people, I'd be down with that.
 
2012-11-28 04:18:57 PM  

Meatybrain: hubiestubert: Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist

He went to a Catholic school.


In fairness, at the time, there wasn't a lot of other options--well beyond the Buddhist monastery that he also studied at before heading to 8 years of Catholic education, which was pretty much the option thanks to the French.
 
2012-11-28 04:31:59 PM  

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.

Jim_Callahan: Eh, the ones that aren't are so rare you might as well look for a unicorn instead, you'll have better luck.


They tend to be one or the other, but intelligent ones aren't that hard to find. Look for bright folk who were raised Christian in the Bible belt, who haven't changed churches since.
 
2012-11-28 04:35:30 PM  

vactech: The Earth is:


b.

/middle earth creationist

if it turns out the earth is 5 billion years old, it won't change my religion one jot, not one tittle

nor would finding out that it was 6,000 years old and was created with the appearance of age including a reasonably (circa 2000 A.D.) scientific inference that it appears to be 5 billion years old

so like i said, give or take a billion years
 
2012-11-28 04:36:40 PM  

abb3w: They tend to be one or the other


and which one(s) am i?
 
2012-11-28 04:37:59 PM  

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.


The link I posted gives the general idea of how Darwin's ideas were misused to justify genocide.
 
2012-11-28 04:41:19 PM  

abb3w: Look for bright folk who were raised Christian in the Bible belt, who haven't changed churches given it a thought one way or the other nor had any of their over simplistic beliefs they do have challenged, since.


abbey, i'm getting tired of fixing your stuff, you're way smarter than this

we haven't lost, i do care
 
2012-11-28 04:43:43 PM  

lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?

Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.


So you admit that the idea of free will is a lie and humans are merely playthings of petty beings?
 
2012-11-28 04:49:12 PM  

vactech: Even a child could answer this one.


Show the child a burning candle that has burned through half it's life. Then ask him how long it has been burning.

/and who lit it
//and how it got there
 
2012-11-28 04:55:50 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?

Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.

So you admit that the idea of free will is a lie and humans are merely playthings of petty beings?


You can't choose to give up free will without having free will to begin with. These people HAD free will but chose to invite the devil into their lives. Atheists don't have free will because they are infested with demons, but Christians and other religious types who are moral have free will. Make sense?
 
2012-11-28 05:01:37 PM  

I drunk what: abbey, i'm getting tired of fixing your stuff, you're way smarter than this


It's an inaccurate correction. It's the intelligent people who are best able to come up with "philosophically sophisticated" complex chains of reasoning to patch over the logical holes, which often takes quite a bit of thought.
 
2012-11-28 05:01:38 PM  

MrEricSir: Even if Darwin was a Nazi (and he wasn't) that wouldn't mean he's wrong about evolution.


i agree, however being wrong about evolution, does make him wrong about evolution

though i definitely concur that creating yet another troll evolution-godwin thread to sucker the IB into a giant butthurt outragefest is not the best use of everyone's time, but ya know [welcometofark.jpg]
 
2012-11-28 05:06:21 PM  
Oh good it's the daily attention whore thread by the dumbest person on fark.
 
2012-11-28 05:08:39 PM  

abb3w: It's an inaccurate correction. It's the intelligent people who are best able to come up with "philosophically sophisticated" complex chains of reasoning to patch over the logical holes, which often takes quite a bit of thought.


what?!? what?!? YOU DARE QUESTION THE IDW????!!!

*looks again*

ah yes, hence the irrational, but not stupid set

fine, I stand corrected

at first i was thinking that we agreed not to discuss those morans anymore, but then i just remembered that i am constantly surrounded by idiots, and that you actually do encounter them on a frequent basis

*sigh*

is the bipolar disorder war over yet? i'm beginning to lose patience
 
2012-11-28 05:12:53 PM  

vactech: I drunk what: how old do you think the earth is?

6,000 - 5,000,000,000 years

give or take a billion

In understanding Gods work IDW, we're going to have to settle the "ground work" so to speak. If you want me to help you with this, you're going to have tell me the the truth about what you think. How am I going to explain any biological theory to you if we don't know where you stand on the age of the earth? Can anyone in the class help him out? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Look IDW, buck up! Don't be afraid to speak God's Truth (TM). Bevets wasn't.

The Earth is:

a. 6000 years old
b. 100 000 years old
c. 4.54 billion years
d. I'm to afraid to say. Someone might make fun of me for what I believe.

It's a simple test, IDW. Even a child could answer this one.


But selection bias troll won't.
 
2012-11-28 05:19:38 PM  

friday13: But selection bias troll won't.


and this^ is why i label them Idiot Brigade

not worth the time/effort

/srsly if 5th grade reading = magic
//[howdomagnetswork.jpg]

but for bonus lulz:

I drunk what: hey guys is this the echo chamber? where we prove our tough guy street cred by circle jerking telling everyone about our proud accomplishment of ignoring anyone who disagrees with us?

which is TOTALLY not a selection bias thing, at all, nope


thanks for playing skippy

i589.photobucket.com

full speed ahead
 
2012-11-28 05:28:05 PM  

Khellendros: Deriving an "ought" from an "is"?


that ought to be left up to the bridge builders

has anyone seen one lately?
 
2012-11-28 05:31:25 PM  
Pants full of macaroni!!


Count on it being the thread where we learn that all of history's dictators were Libbylib Leftist Libtards.
No, we already know that. This is the thread you try to deny it and distance yourselves from reality.
 
2012-11-28 05:35:36 PM  

vactech: Don't be afraid to speak God's Truth


I'd be happy to discuss Religion

What would you like to know?
 
2012-11-28 05:53:54 PM  

OnlyM3: Hitler believed all the Jesus religions were crazy cults.


pensivepilgrim.com

www.nobeliefs.com

s.ecrater.com

OnlyM3: No, we already know that. This is the thread you try to deny it and distance yourselves from reality.


The same reality where Romney was going to win in a landslide.
 
2012-11-28 06:47:30 PM  

lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?

Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.

So you admit that the idea of free will is a lie and humans are merely playthings of petty beings?

You can't choose to give up free will without having free will to begin with. These people HAD free will but chose to invite the devil into their lives. Atheists don't have free will because they are infested with demons, but Christians and other religious types who are moral have free will. Make sense?


So it's free will until you decide to kowtow to something, and then you lose your free will to that something. In that case, atheists still have their free will because they decided not to blindly follow a petty being who says he loves everything and created everything out of his love, yet will send nearly all of creation to an everlasting indescribable torment instead of simply exercising his infinite love and power to fix it.
 
2012-11-28 07:17:23 PM  

I drunk what: Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.

except atheistic evolutionists like yourself frequently lie, because they refuse to acknowledge Truth

/but nevermind the little things


Yaaaaaaaaaaaay! Look, everbody! It's Bevets!

/relieved
 
2012-11-28 08:18:42 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: OnlyM3: Hitler believed all the Jesus religions were crazy cults.

[pensivepilgrim.com image 753x574]

[www.nobeliefs.com image 362x281]

[s.ecrater.com image 300x300]


Oh, those are just Public Safety Announcements reminding all of the good people of Germany to protect their hands during winter.
 
2012-11-28 09:32:03 PM  
Darwin was responsible for what people did long after he was dead? Yeah that makes sense.

But if you want to talk about people who used war and torture on the premise that their race is superior and therefore it's OK, be sure to include Teddy Roosevelt. He was just more careful about preserving his image.
 
2012-11-28 09:47:21 PM  

RicosRoughnecks: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Galton was also the first person to use the word "normal" to describe those human beings that were unremarkable and lacking of any sort of potential to change the world in any way.

I think that's an unfair view of it. You can still educate people that don't have diabetes, peanut allergies, glasses, deafness, schizophrenia, pompe, etc. It's just much cheaper and easier that having legions of special ed or special needs kids. People will still be pretty much the same, except everyone won't need expensive surgeries or medicines to be 'normal'. I needed expensive LASIK to get good eyesite and not have to wear contacts. My brothers have diabetes; it would be nice to have kids some day knowing they wouldn't have any of those problems. If the answer is I can't have kids or only with certain people, I'd be down with that.


I'm in agreement with you. I just put up the info; I don't advocate any of Galton's ideas. After all, if Lord Sir Galton had his way Hawking would have never been allowed to live.

/FYI: Galton has been called, "The man who tried to make racism scientific."
//Among other things.
///The big problem with eugenics is who decides who breeds and who doesn't?
////Who gets to play God?
 
2012-11-28 10:21:06 PM  
I fell asleep while reading TFA. What happened?
 
2012-11-28 10:25:26 PM  

wambu: I fell asleep while reading TFA. What happened?


Darth Vader is Luke's father, Soylent Green is people, and the Planet of the Apes was Earth all along.
 
2012-11-28 10:38:37 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: wambu: I fell asleep while reading TFA. What happened?

Darth Vader is Luke's father, Soylent Green is people, and the Planet of the Apes was Earth all along.


Oh shiat . . .
 
2012-11-28 10:48:32 PM  

Diagonal: I drunk what: Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.

except atheistic evolutionists like yourself frequently lie, because they refuse to acknowledge Truth

/but nevermind the little things

Yaaaaaaaaaaaay! Look, everbody! It's Bevets!

/relieved


He's much worse than Bevets.
 
2012-11-28 11:37:42 PM  

Dimensio: Bag of Hammers: Didn't Ben Stein already trot this one out?

Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error. They do no research on their own, thus new creationist arguments only arise when a new scientific finding emerges that may be misrepresented as somehow supporting a creationist position.


The same tired arguments get dressed up in threadbare new garments and round we go again.

Science "so here are the new findings based on molecular genetics"

CreationistIntelligent Design Proponent: "Bah, Piltdown man! Irreducible complexity!"
 
2012-11-28 11:41:33 PM  

vactech: I drunk what: how old do you think the earth is?

6,000 - 5,000,000,000 years

give or take a billion

In understanding Gods work IDW, we're going to have to settle the "ground work" so to speak. If you want me to help you with this, you're going to have tell me the the truth about what you think. How am I going to explain any biological theory to you if we don't know where you stand on the age of the earth? Can anyone in the class help him out? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Look IDW, buck up! Don't be afraid to speak God's Truth (TM). Bevets wasn't.

The Earth is:

a. 6000 years old
b. 100 000 years old
c. 4.54 billion years
d. I'm to afraid to say. Someone might make fun of me for what I believe.

It's a simple test, IDW. Even a child could answer this one.


Maybe you should give him a card game to solve. I hear he's great at them.
 
2012-11-28 11:43:06 PM  
*crap, I hadn't scrolled down far enough to see that IDW brought up the card game that he got embarrassed at. It's like Rotsky showing up in thread after thread to insist that his spelling is great.
 
2012-11-29 01:11:04 AM  
I was surprised that Paul Johnson was still alive.
 
2012-11-29 01:12:17 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: I was surprised that Paul Johnson was still alive.


Or rather is still alive. Not to self: don't post comments after midnight.
/Will forget promise in the morning.
 
2012-11-29 07:42:17 AM  
Sorry chap. I got busy with work last night. Thanks for answering though. I didn't think you had it in you.

I drunk what: The Earth is:

b.


100 000 years old?

Nice. How moderate of you. A little bit of sciency atom dating stuff mixed in with some Genisis thinking. Good, good! Ion OK, Yahweh's OK.
You are sure not to offend anyone with this Earth age guess. Plus it's Hobbit cute.

I drunk what: so like i said, give or take a billion years


It probably doesn't matter anyway. As long as we have the main answer to fall back on....God my friend. God.
 
2012-11-29 08:06:10 AM  
Oh neat, someone posted my IDW disclaimer (thus saving me the trouble. Thank you).

I have the sneaking suspicion that IDW probably replies to it every time he sees it in a manner that verifies each and every one of its assertions.

Cuz that's just the sort of dumbass thing he would do.
 
2012-11-29 08:22:57 AM  

vactech: It probably doesn't matter anyway.


what bearing does the age of the earth have on the salvation of a Man's soul?

vactech: Nice. How moderate of you.


i'd be happy to update my answer once you've provided sufficient evidence

vactech: A little bit of sciency atom dating stuff mixed in with some Genisis thinking.


the key to philosophy is harmonic balance of Science AND Religion

i153.photobucket.com

this shouldn't be confused with the concept of compromise, of course those with the magical understanding above a 5th grader don't need this explained to them 

so then which part is giving you the most trouble? Science ? Religion? both...?
 
2012-11-29 08:25:10 AM  

Ishkur: Oh neat, someone posted my IDW disclaimer (thus saving me the trouble. Thank you).


Halli: Oh good it's the daily attention whore thread by the dumbest person on fark.


lulz 

srsly, guys Full Speed Ahead

this pleases IDW, carry on
 
2012-11-29 08:27:52 AM  

Fano: crap, I hadn't scrolled down far enough to see that IDW brought up the card game


keep scrolling

Dimensio is with us and he hates liars
 
2012-11-29 08:43:40 AM  

vactech: The Earth is:

a. 6000 years old
b. 100 000 years old
c. 4.54 billion years
d. I'm to afraid to say. Someone might make fun of me for what I believe.


which one of these choices most accurately represents the data set we have available to make scientific observations?

do your presumptions-assumptions have any bearing on the inferences you will be making?

have any problems been observed concerning the data set we do have?

perhaps you'd rather discuss this in terms of the candleshop?

or if you'd rather just skip the red herrings and get right to the important stuff, i'm game

fyi, just between you and me, given only the choices of a or c, i'd pick c. since i am easily able to reconcile my beliefs within that parameter, but that gets into concepts that require magical understanding of magnets n' such

however since i am not able to say with a sufficient amount of confidence one way or the other, b is adequately close to my most current theory, that i feel plenty comfortable using it as a placeholder until sufficient evidence were to present itself
 
2012-11-29 08:53:33 AM  

vactech: Good, good! Ion OK, Yahweh's OK.
You are sure not to offend anyone with this Earth age guess.


i could care less about hurting anyone's feelings, Truth is Truth

the problem with these debates, resides primarily on the battlefield between The Idiot Brigade vs. The Imbecile Squad, in all of it's bipolar disordered glory

it has many faces (dem vs repub, sciunce vs relujin, herp vs derp), but in the end they resort to same kinds of herpty derp flinging, which i think does more harm than good, but hey what do i know? i'm just the dumbest person on fark

but no worries, everyone knows i'm just trolling
 
2012-11-29 09:07:59 AM  
Is Darwin also responsible for Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great? One wiped out people simply as a warning to others, the other wiped out people for the glorification of Alexander. I'm sure that they were both appropriately religious for their time.
 
2012-11-29 09:12:14 AM  

Raharu: For an example, in this 3 year old thread he concocted a logic game similar to the wason selection test with rules that he could change at any time for any reason, foisted it upon the thread, toyed with the posters for a whole day while refusing to give the answer, and then eventually concluded that everyone was wrong.

....he's probably already posted the Wason test that he so infamously failed at solving many years ago. It's his way of dealing with the embarrassment by mocking it).


Kome: Have you figured out how to do the Wason card selection task that was introduced to you like three or four years ago yet?


Fano: Maybe you should give him a card game to solve.


Ishkur: Oh neat, someone posted my IDW disclaimer (thus saving me the trouble. Thank you).


anyone else wanna join the list?

upload.wikimedia.org

of course i'd be happy to take you off the list once you are able to properly explain the answer to us

how hard could it be?

/unless of course you're too chicken
//buck buck buck
///neva gets old
 
2012-11-29 09:43:15 AM  

Ishkur: Oh neat, someone posted my IDW disclaimer (thus saving me the trouble. Thank you).

I have the sneaking suspicion that IDW probably replies to it every time he sees it in a manner that verifies each and every one of its assertions.

Cuz that's just the sort of dumbass thing he would do.


Apparently he did, and now he has replied to something 5 times with no break...
 
2012-11-29 10:09:26 AM  

hubiestubert: Marx would have been horrified at what was done with his work by Stalinists. What folks do with ideas is often far and away from the original work. Turning treatise on the origin of species into a raison d'être for the extermination of one's neighbors is not the fault of the author, but rather those who are looking for an excuse, and would like to have someone to back up their reasoning, to appear to be erudite and well considered. Sort of like looking to the Bible to excuse oneself for acting to deny folks rights and even their lives. Should we blame Catholicism for Hitler's rise as well? What about Stalin's own religious views? Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist, and thus we should attribute Teravada Buddhism for his crimes?


This is the greatest problem with appeal to authority. Others will "borrow" your authority, while twisting what was said into an entirely different end.
 
2012-11-29 10:23:23 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: RicosRoughnecks: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Galton was also the first person to use the word "normal" to describe those human beings that were unremarkable and lacking of any sort of potential to change the world in any way.

I think that's an unfair view of it. You can still educate people that don't have diabetes, peanut allergies, glasses, deafness, schizophrenia, pompe, etc. It's just much cheaper and easier that having legions of special ed or special needs kids. People will still be pretty much the same, except everyone won't need expensive surgeries or medicines to be 'normal'. I needed expensive LASIK to get good eyesite and not have to wear contacts. My brothers have diabetes; it would be nice to have kids some day knowing they wouldn't have any of those problems. If the answer is I can't have kids or only with certain people, I'd be down with that.

I'm in agreement with you. I just put up the info; I don't advocate any of Galton's ideas. After all, if Lord Sir Galton had his way Hawking would have never been allowed to live.

/FYI: Galton has been called, "The man who tried to make racism scientific."
//Among other things.
///The big problem with eugenics is who decides who breeds and who doesn't?
////Who gets to play God?


WHO are we to Fark with the mechanism? WHO?

Really, why not let natural selection do it's job, and stop trying to steer it off the tracks?
 
2012-11-29 10:53:34 AM  

I drunk what: which one of these choices most accurately represents the data set we have available to make scientific observations?


Why limit yourself to just 1 set? I prefer to have a whole bunch of them. Like 5 to 8 is pretty good.

I drunk what: do your presumptions-assumptions have any bearing on the inferences you will be making?


To avoid controversy, I refer to just inference of symbols that are truthbearers, and advocate either true or false under an interpretation of presumptions. Furthermore, I have not always made it sufficiently clear whether I am using the term assumptions or inference where the concept of a "meaning" is admitted, or its nature(god) is desputed.

I drunk what: have any problems been observed concerning the data set we do have?


Several, but we are not there yet. Is there a problem you would like me to fix? Maybe you just need more proof in the form of evidence for your 100 000 Middle Earth theory?

I drunk what: perhaps you'd rather discuss this in terms of the candleshop?


Ok...but which one?

I drunk what: or if you'd rather just skip the red herrings and get right to the important stuff, i'm game


There is only 1 thing that is important and it is there, and only there that you will find it.
 
2012-11-29 11:10:10 AM  

RedVentrue: WHO are we to Fark with the mechanism? WHO?


the stewards of Nature-Physical

to choose freely for Good or Evil

RedVentrue: Really, why not let natural selection do it's job, and stop trying to steer it off the tracks?


Man is part of Nature-Physical

where do you think chiuauas came from? random luck? the same as great danes?
 
2012-11-29 11:38:47 AM  

I drunk what: it has many faces (dem vs repub, sciunce vs relujin, herp vs derp), but in the end they resort to same kinds of herpty derp flinging, which i think does more harm than good, but hey what do i know?


i1234.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-29 01:08:51 PM  
I've never understood that arguement. Even if books/speeches on the theory of evolution were responseable for EVERY murder and rape in human history it still has fark all to do with whether or not evolution occurs.
 
2012-11-29 02:02:21 PM  

RedVentrue: This is the greatest problem with appeal to authority. Others will "borrow" your authority, while twisting what was said into an entirely different end.


A combination of "social validation" and "message distortion", in psychology jargon.

RedVentrue: Really, why not let natural selection do it's job, and stop trying to steer it off the tracks?


It's a design choice.
Also, train tracks are a metaphor that describes the evolutionary process really, really poorly. It's less like a train trip and more like a herd of drunken Australians staggering home across the sheep meadow. Steering turns out to be harder and do less good than you first might think.
 
2012-11-29 02:50:56 PM  

abb3w: It's a design choice.


intelligent even

abb3w: It's less like a train trip and more like a herd of drunken Australians staggering home across the sheep meadow.


those poor sheep
 
2012-11-29 09:47:31 PM  

I drunk what: those poor sheep


Better Aussies than Kiwis.
 
2012-11-30 12:42:33 AM  

abb3w: I drunk what: those poor sheep

Better Aussies than Kiwis.


Dude, you should know better than to feed this particular troll.
 
2012-11-30 09:22:01 AM  

abb3w: RedVentrue: This is the greatest problem with appeal to authority. Others will "borrow" your authority, while twisting what was said into an entirely different end.

A combination of "social validation" and "message distortion", in psychology jargon.

RedVentrue: Really, why not let natural selection do it's job, and stop trying to steer it off the tracks?

It's a design choice.
Also, train tracks are a metaphor that describes the evolutionary process really, really poorly. It's less like a train trip and more like a herd of drunken Australians staggering home across the sheep meadow. Steering turns out to be harder and do less good than you first might think.


I did say trying, not succeeding. This kind of thing tends to come back to bite us in the butt. The best laid plans of mice & sheep... er men, and all that.
 
2012-11-30 07:36:42 PM  

friday13: Dude, you should know better than to feed this particular troll.


Never underestimate the value of a bad example.

RedVentrue: I did say trying, not succeeding.


Yeah. Design choice still covers it.

RedVentrue: This kind of thing tends to come back to bite us in the butt.


Whether you try and steer or just go along for the trip both can do that. The question would seem to be, which tends to bite harder?
 
2012-12-01 09:31:28 PM  

abb3w: Never underestimate the value of a bad example.


this^
 
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