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2012-11-28 02:03:04 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?


Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.
 
2012-11-28 02:07:59 PM

FloydA: Stalin supported Lysenko, whose theories were fundamentally anti-Darwinian and had far more in common with Lamarck's notions. In fact, because of Lysenkoism, the field of genetics in Russia was held back for more than a generation.



...which is a great cautionary tale about the failings of Political Correctness in Science which the Republicans would do well to take heed.

They won't, of course, but it would be great if they could learn a lesson from history once in a while.
 
2012-11-28 02:08:01 PM

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.


Eh, the ones that aren't are so rare you might as well look for a unicorn instead, you'll have better luck. So I think we can safely say that all creationists are irrational and stupid, at least with regards to the subject of biology. Since the position espoused by creationism has been thoroughly logically destroyed (i.e. irrational) and realistically anyone literate with access to the internet has see said destruction, i.e. in still believing something verifiably false which has been explained to them they are stupid.

//The exceptions are all de facto illiterate or very young children that just haven't been exposed to actual information yet. Once you go from not being aware of facts to actively denying verifiable facts you go from ignorant (no biggie) to stupid (fark you).
 
2012-11-28 02:08:16 PM

Dimensio: thurstonxhowell: Yeah, the guy who came up with the theory of evolution, which makes clear the benefits of a diverse population, is responsible for genocide with the goal of creating a less diverse population. That's the ticket.

To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.


To provide fair consideration: evolutionists often send pictures of themselves dressed up in questionable attire to random strangers they are stalking on the internet.

/i see we've reached the entertainment portion of the thread

dude i think you broke him
 
2012-11-28 02:10:45 PM
I'm seeing a LOT of grey. Can we stop feeding the selection bias troll, please?

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.


Can I steal this?

thurstonxhowell: Wow, congratulations, selection bias troll. Being the most annoying person in a evolution thread is quite the accomplishment.


FTFY
Meh, I'd say he's tied with Bevets on that one.
 
2012-11-28 02:11:01 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.


And none of this has anything to do with whether the following is correct:

people.virginia.edu

Argumentum ad Consequentiam (appeal to consequence) is a fallacy for a reason.
 
2012-11-28 02:13:22 PM

Jim_Callahan: Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.

Eh, the ones that aren't are so rare you might as well look for a unicorn instead, you'll have better luck. So I think we can safely say that all creationists are irrational and stupid, at least with regards to the subject of biology. Since the position espoused by creationism has been thoroughly logically destroyed (i.e. irrational) and realistically anyone literate with access to the internet has see said destruction, i.e. in still believing something verifiably false which has been explained to them they are stupid.

//The exceptions are all de facto illiterate or very young children that just haven't been exposed to actual information yet. Once you go from not being aware of facts to actively denying verifiable facts you go from ignorant (no biggie) to stupid (fark you).


25.media.tumblr.com

*anyone bring lube?*

*bite the pillow, going in dry*
 
2012-11-28 02:13:23 PM

Dimensio: This is what makes it so hard to talk to you. I never know which one of your personalities I am talking to. For some reason all of your different personalities always fixate on me for some reason and I am some type of convergence (you might want to mention this to your therapist, it might be a clue). It started about a year ago with you sending me several pictures of yourself dressed as Rainbow Brite. I thought it was kind of funny and messaged you back and got this furious email from you accusing me of hacking your computer and stealing pictures. Evidently, it was another personality that sent them. About a week later I get more pictures from you, this time as a Cabbage Patch doll. Same thing happens again. This is also where you got on your kick that I was a liar. You refused to believe you were sending me these pictures. Is any of this ringing any bells for you? Since then you follow me all over Fark and accuse me of hacking your computer and lying to you about it. It does get annoying at times but I do have to admit the last batch where you dressed up as Strawberry Shortcake was to die for.

As you are an established liar, claims issued by you lack any credibility.


i4.minus.com
 
2012-11-28 02:15:36 PM

Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.


Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.
 
2012-11-28 02:17:30 PM

friday13: I'm seeing a LOT of grey. Can we stop feeding the selection bias troll, please?

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.

Can I steal this?


I welcome any further attempts to extract a logical explanation from a creationist. Feel free to present that challenge, whether verbatim or reworded to your desires, to anyone.
 
2012-11-28 02:20:21 PM

miscreant: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.


That is exactly why I posted it. I am glad that it could help.
 
2012-11-28 02:21:53 PM
I agree with everything you said except the bit about Natalie Portman. That was me with her last night and it was with Keira Nightly. Theyre a bit like twins, only not, so it was kinda fun for everyone.
/also tldr
 
2012-11-28 02:22:11 PM

miscreant: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.



Awww, you're just AFRAID of the TR ... oh never mind, I can't type that with a straight face. He's genuinely annoying and not worth reading. I'm ignoring him, too.
 
2012-11-28 02:24:37 PM

miscreant: Raharu: Originally posted by Ishkur.

I see IDW is in the thread and will probably hang around and badger people. I've prepared a disclaimer for these occasions:

IDW is, essentially, the ultimate troll (with the only difference being that he's not a deliberate one). He's not interested in discussion -- he just wants to dick you around.

Wow... I hadn't even really noticed his previous post, then read this and he goes on in this thread to validate everything you said. I've only got one other person on ignore, but he's managed to make the list in a single thread.


Wow!... I hadn't even really noticed that i have thumbs.

I mean I've seen my hands and other fingers for years, but i suddenly noticed those big short ones on the end. Then i read on wiki that people have thumbs and validated everything it said. I've got an imaginary strawman nemesis that says i don't but, i have a force field that protects me from his magical attacks.

/5th grade reading level
//you're not getting my title lordaction give it up
///they like me, they really like me
 
2012-11-28 02:25:54 PM

Khellendros: Holocaust Agnostic: Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the following is correct:



Argumentum ad Consequentiam (appeal to consequence) is a fallacy for a reason.


But this thread was never about "is evolution true". It was "was Darwin responsible for Stalin hitler and pol pot".
 
2012-11-28 02:27:57 PM

I drunk what: Wow!... I hadn't even really noticed that i have thumbs.

I mean I've seen my hands and other fingers for years, but i suddenly noticed those big short ones on the end. Then i read on wiki that people have thumbs and validated everything it said. I've got an imaginary strawman nemesis that says i don't but, i have a force field that protects me from his magical attacks.

/5th grade reading level
//you're not getting my title lordaction give it up
///they like me, they really like me


What did you drunk? You know, for the next time I have a weekend with no responsibilities. I won't judge.
 
2012-11-28 02:29:28 PM

phaseolus: Awww, you're just AFRAID of the TR ... oh never mind, I can't type that with a straight face. He's genuinely annoying and not worth reading. I'm ignoring him, too.


25.media.tumblr.com

hey guys is this the echo chamber? where we prove our tough guy street cred by circle jerking telling everyone about our proud accomplishment of ignoring anyone who disagrees with us?

which is TOTALLY not a selection bias thing, at all, nope

*yeah dude, you're awesome*

*high five*


well lordaction?

thesportspin.com
 
2012-11-28 02:29:37 PM

phaseolus: Awww, you're just AFRAID of the TR ... oh never mind, I can't type that with a straight face. He's genuinely annoying and not worth reading. I'm ignoring him, too.


I don't mind most trolls, because they're often just providing a foil for people to make their arguments against, or they can be amusing, but there are some trolls that add absolutely nothing. From what I saw, IDW falls right into that category.
 
2012-11-28 02:32:09 PM

Dimensio: friday13: I'm seeing a LOT of grey. Can we stop feeding the selection bias troll, please?

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.

Can I steal this?

I welcome any further attempts to extract a logical explanation from a creationist. Feel free to present that challenge, whether verbatim or reworded to your desires, to anyone.


That is the dumbest statement I have ever read. You've loaded your "challenge", which you tried to conceal in your word salad that you regurgitated from Bio 101, but it won't work. That is like me daring someone to prove an object weighs exactly 1 pound but forbidding the use of any system of measurement. Pathetic. Hint for all the rest of you. Whenever you see someone try to obfuscate what they are saying with their terminology you can go ahead and count on them being full of shiat. It is the only way they can hide their stupidity.
 
2012-11-28 02:32:12 PM

you have pee hands: What did you drunk?


a bucket full of IB brain enhancing vitamins
 
2012-11-28 02:34:17 PM

lordaction: That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.


the thread isn't closed yet, and they are out in full force

patience, just like vactech said
 
2012-11-28 02:38:12 PM

I drunk what: lordaction: That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.

the thread isn't closed yet, and they are out in full force

patience, just like vactech said


I forgot to add this to the end of that:

i5.minus.com
 
2012-11-28 02:40:18 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Khellendros: Holocaust Agnostic: Hitler was a Christian creationist, Stalin believed Lamarck was right, pol pot was a genuine crazy person.

And none of this has anything to do with whether the following is correct:



Argumentum ad Consequentiam (appeal to consequence) is a fallacy for a reason.

But this thread was never about "is evolution true". It was "was Darwin responsible for Stalin hitler and pol pot".


It's a positional fear piece to dissuade people from believing in Darwin's theory. It disregards the question of the truth of the idea, and instead attacks it through consequence. It attempts to place moral blame on the theory and its creator for other's actions in a effort to discredit. Hence, Argumentum ad Consequentiam.
 
2012-11-28 02:41:20 PM

I drunk what: a bucket full of IB brain enhancing vitamins


Mind your LD50s.
 
2012-11-28 02:42:30 PM
 
2012-11-28 02:43:00 PM

lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?

Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.



Half a step too far. You're not going to troll that many people if you keep that up.
 
2012-11-28 02:44:52 PM

Kome: But, here's a fun little activity if anyone is interested. Download an English-translated copy of Mein Kampf, open it up and search for "evolution" and "God" and count to see which one shows up more. Also look at the context that surrounds each of the uses. Evolution shows up very infrequently, and never in reference to science, always in reference to just simply "change". God, on the other hand, shows up at a higher frequency and nearly always in a religious superiority or divine mission type of context.


Mein Kampf, mein asz.

The Nazis had farking gigantic crosses painted on their war planes, and "God's With Us" rings on their fingers. Case farking closed.
 
2012-11-28 02:50:59 PM

I drunk what: lordaction: That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.

the thread isn't closed yet, and they are out in full force

patience, just like vactech said


Who the hell keeps summoning me?! Oh. IDW. I see.

I said "I'd be right back". Which means somewhere between 6 days to 7 years from now (give or take a few weeks).

Look IDW, just hold the fort... Then I'll fix everything you farked up when I return.
 
2012-11-28 02:57:38 PM

Bukharin: nekulor: Mein Kampfy Sessel or Mein Kampfy Stuhl?

Mein Kampfy Klobrille


Mann muss von seine Klobrille regiert, wenn er letze Macht will.
 
2012-11-28 02:57:49 PM
Majick Thise


Hmm Hitler was a catholic turned protestant so I'm guessing no on that one. Can't speak to Stalin or his pot

Failed history huh? Hitler believed all the Jesus religions were crazy cults.
 
2012-11-28 03:00:31 PM
Dimensio: Creationists frequently recycle bad arguments because they refuse to acknowledge error.


Ignoring facts when they get in the way? So does fark's acceptable religion
 
2012-11-28 03:02:29 PM
Even if Darwin was a Nazi (and he wasn't) that wouldn't mean he's wrong about evolution.
 
2012-11-28 03:05:15 PM

vactech: just hold the fort..


i'll pass, sticky floors aint my scene

vactech: Then I'll mop up when I return.


knock yourself out kiddo
 
Ant
2012-11-28 03:30:34 PM
What kills me is all the people who are trying to disprove a scientific theory by citing all the negative effects that acceptance of the theory supposedly have. Even if acceptance of natural selection caused everyone to become instant Hitler copies, how does that disprove the theory's truthfulness?

argumentum ad consequentiam
 
2012-11-28 03:36:40 PM
*phew!* *gasp*

Out of breath! I ran back as fast as I could. What tha'?! 30 minutes between IDW's post and Ant's! This thread is dildos!

Way. To. Go. IDW.

I told you to sit tight till I got back. And now look!
 
2012-11-28 03:41:40 PM

hubiestubert: Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist


He went to a Catholic school.
 
Ant
2012-11-28 03:47:39 PM
Another stupid thing they like to do is project the naturalistic fallacy onto everyone else. If natural selection is true, it must be morally acceptable to base our civilization upon it.
 
2012-11-28 03:50:02 PM
This thread...
www.plognark.com
 
2012-11-28 03:50:10 PM

I drunk what: how old do you think the earth is?

6,000 - 5,000,000,000 years

give or take a billion


In understanding Gods work IDW, we're going to have to settle the "ground work" so to speak. If you want me to help you with this, you're going to have tell me the the truth about what you think. How am I going to explain any biological theory to you if we don't know where you stand on the age of the earth? Can anyone in the class help him out? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Look IDW, buck up! Don't be afraid to speak God's Truth (TM). Bevets wasn't.

The Earth is:

a. 6000 years old
b. 100 000 years old
c. 4.54 billion years
d. I'm to afraid to say. Someone might make fun of me for what I believe.

It's a simple test, IDW. Even a child could answer this one.
 
2012-11-28 03:50:50 PM

Ant: Another stupid thing they like to do is project the naturalistic fallacy onto everyone else. If natural selection is true, it must be morally acceptable to base our civilization upon it.


Deriving an "ought" from an "is"?
 
2012-11-28 04:05:03 PM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-28 04:15:48 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Galton was also the first person to use the word "normal" to describe those human beings that were unremarkable and lacking of any sort of potential to change the world in any way.


I think that's an unfair view of it. You can still educate people that don't have diabetes, peanut allergies, glasses, deafness, schizophrenia, pompe, etc. It's just much cheaper and easier that having legions of special ed or special needs kids. People will still be pretty much the same, except everyone won't need expensive surgeries or medicines to be 'normal'. I needed expensive LASIK to get good eyesite and not have to wear contacts. My brothers have diabetes; it would be nice to have kids some day knowing they wouldn't have any of those problems. If the answer is I can't have kids or only with certain people, I'd be down with that.
 
2012-11-28 04:18:57 PM

Meatybrain: hubiestubert: Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist

He went to a Catholic school.


In fairness, at the time, there wasn't a lot of other options--well beyond the Buddhist monastery that he also studied at before heading to 8 years of Catholic education, which was pretty much the option thanks to the French.
 
2012-11-28 04:31:59 PM

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration: creationists are often irrational and stupid.

Jim_Callahan: Eh, the ones that aren't are so rare you might as well look for a unicorn instead, you'll have better luck.


They tend to be one or the other, but intelligent ones aren't that hard to find. Look for bright folk who were raised Christian in the Bible belt, who haven't changed churches since.
 
2012-11-28 04:35:30 PM

vactech: The Earth is:


b.

/middle earth creationist

if it turns out the earth is 5 billion years old, it won't change my religion one jot, not one tittle

nor would finding out that it was 6,000 years old and was created with the appearance of age including a reasonably (circa 2000 A.D.) scientific inference that it appears to be 5 billion years old

so like i said, give or take a billion years
 
2012-11-28 04:36:40 PM

abb3w: They tend to be one or the other


and which one(s) am i?
 
2012-11-28 04:37:59 PM

Dimensio: When presented, from a creationist, with the claim that the theory of evolution directly influenced and resulted in the Holocaust, I request a demonstration that the theory that all extant biodiversity emerged from common ancestry by a process of selection pressures affecting reproductive success logically allows for the conclusion "kill all Jews". I also specify that no other independent philosophical viewpoints be introduced, as doing so allows for the implication that the other independent philosophy, rather than evolution, leads to the "kill all Jews" conclusion.

Thus far, absolutely no creationist has been able to demonstrate such a logical connection.


The link I posted gives the general idea of how Darwin's ideas were misused to justify genocide.
 
2012-11-28 04:41:19 PM

abb3w: Look for bright folk who were raised Christian in the Bible belt, who haven't changed churches given it a thought one way or the other nor had any of their over simplistic beliefs they do have challenged, since.


abbey, i'm getting tired of fixing your stuff, you're way smarter than this

we haven't lost, i do care
 
2012-11-28 04:43:43 PM

lordaction: Keizer_Ghidorah: lordaction: Nope, the devil is responsible for atheists. Atheists are just people that are suffering from demonic possession and while they are a danger to themselves and others - and should be locked up for protection - they can't help that they are broken people (just like gays).

So humans have no control over themselves? It's either God making us do good, or Satan making us do evil? All we are is powerless puppets held by the strings of dickish supreme beings? And everyone who doesn't think like you do and act like you do and believe what you do are the puppets of Satan? Are you sure God is the one holding your strings?

Well, people had free will and control until they engaged in actions that allowed themselves to controlled by Satan. Activities such as Oujii boards, smoking marijuanna, dancing, etc. So, it was their choice to have this happen to them. The Scriptures tell us that our bodies our Temples and evil can't come in to us just like vampires can't go into a church. By doing evil things it makes us not Temples anymore so the demons crawl in and control people after that.


So you admit that the idea of free will is a lie and humans are merely playthings of petty beings?
 
2012-11-28 04:49:12 PM

vactech: Even a child could answer this one.


Show the child a burning candle that has burned through half it's life. Then ask him how long it has been burning.

/and who lit it
//and how it got there
 
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