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(Slate)   Herbal supplements like ephedra, birthwort, glucosamine, marijuana, and echinacea are unregulated, overhyped, and potentially deadly. And they don't really work either   (slate.com ) divider line
    More: Obvious, herbalism, Education Act, Baylor College of Medicine, fish oils, alternative medicines, Stony Brook University, natural products, marijuana  
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8101 clicks; posted to Main » on 28 Nov 2012 at 1:19 AM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-11-28 01:22:17 AM  
8 votes:
I died from marijuana years ago.

I'm still dead today.
2012-11-28 01:40:09 AM  
6 votes:
Belladonna is still cool, though, right?
2012-11-28 01:57:07 AM  
4 votes:
I used to smoke pot. But I had to stop. The handles kept poking me in the eyes.
2012-11-28 02:39:00 AM  
3 votes:

www.ihatepeacocks.com
RIP Belladonna

2012-11-28 01:55:44 AM  
3 votes:
echinacea?
jupiter.plymouth.edu
2012-11-28 01:50:57 AM  
3 votes:

fluffy2097: I died from marijuana years ago.

I'm still dead today.


my condolences
2012-11-28 01:24:17 AM  
3 votes:
Ha! Silly gullible retards! Your "remedies" do not work.

This is why I depend on homeopathy!
2012-11-28 06:29:28 AM  
2 votes:
s1.b3ta.com
2012-11-28 04:00:29 AM  
2 votes:

Vaneshi: Tobin_Lam: bacterial flu.

myheadisfulloffark.jpg

You either had flu (a virus) or a chest infection (bacterial). If you're coughing up green gunge it's most commonly a bacterial infection, if your joints hurt and shiat it's probably flu.

/Not a doctor.
//Does not constitute medical advice.


buttonpushingmonkey.files.wordpress.com

Hey, how's it hang, ese?

Says here you've got, like, a flu thing, but this is all, you know, BACTERIAL and shiat, so we need to PUMP you with some super-rad anti-bacteria to negate the flu bacteria and, you know, un-bacterialize your flu.
2012-11-28 02:45:52 AM  
2 votes:

1000 Ways to Dye: It's a couple years old, but here's a cool infographic on the various supplements and the amount of evidence that supports their claims.

Link


Seems like a thoughtful list, and I'm generally skeptical of a lot of easy answers to medical problems. But I swear that Vitex (chasteberry, low on that chart) got me pregnant. Well, that and a penis. Could have been a coincidence, but I doubt it.
2012-11-28 02:15:56 AM  
2 votes:
Bah. I'll stick with my old fashioned Nuka-Colas and stimpaks.
2012-11-28 02:15:52 AM  
2 votes:

jaytkay: Ha! Silly gullible retards! Your "remedies" do not work.

This is why I depend on homeopathy!


Homeopathy is an affront to nature and an abomination in the eyes of God. Unless it's girl-on-girl homeopathy. That shiat's hot.
2012-11-28 01:47:58 AM  
2 votes:

TheJoe03: fusillade762: Belladonna is still cool, though, right?

The pornstar?


Entertaining, yes. Safe, no.
2012-11-28 01:43:20 AM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Belladonna is still cool, though, right?


The pornstar?
2012-11-28 01:35:19 AM  
2 votes:

Notabunny: You know how I know you've never taken Codeine


I did as a wayward Texan teen in the mid 00s.

i264.photobucket.com
2012-11-27 10:43:12 PM  
2 votes:
In other words, the pharmaceutical companies aren't making any money off them, so buy their drugs instead?
2012-11-28 01:31:59 PM  
1 vote:

if_i_really_have_to: That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: Anyone who says marijuana doesnt work clearly was using the placebo.

Yeah unfortunately for you marijuana actually does not work for a lot of people, and often doesn't work any better than an NSAID or a placebo. As mentioned in another post, a lot of relief people with chronic pain feel is placebo effect, simply because chronic pain usually has a psychogenic component, Red pills work better than blue, injections of saline work better than sugar pills. And just because it can't literally kill you does not mean long-term marijuana use doesn't have side effects (besides being intensely boring and giggly).

Just because stoners like to get high doesn't make marijuana some sort of wonder medicine. And stop riding on the backs of desperately ill people because you're too lame to just stand up in front of the world and say "I like to get farked up, I like to do it with marijuana, and I want it to be legal".

You're not helping, coward. In fact, you're hurting the cause for medical marijuana.


I can agree and disagree with you. On one hand, yeah, a lot of stoners are riding the backs of sick people, and that is disgusting to me.

I admit, I like to get high, and booze doesn't float my boat per se. I like pot. Regardless of the following paragraphs, I do not condone the use of one cause as a mask for another, less honorable one... I like getting giggly-high, but I won't pretend that my want belongs in any arena that is categorized as need.

When my wife was going though chemotherapy at ages 24-25 for stage 4 non-hodgkins lymphoma, I hit up the old connection for some pot. She had a pile of oxycontin at her disposal. She reported that it had a negligible effect on her bone pain. Pot, on the other hand, made her not care about that pain. She said it would dull the pain a bit, but it was not caring about the pain that was the better effect.

Even if it were just a placebo effect, I'd wager that if a person can benefit from that effect and that person is in bad, bad pain, that said sufferer would welcome the placebo effect. That's something often ignored in arguments I read such as yours above. A placebo effect is not worthless to a sufferer.

Also, I do realize that the plural form of "anecdote" is not "data". This is just a wee morsel of food for thought.
2012-11-28 10:33:52 AM  
1 vote:
But Seth MacFarlane has gotten millions of dollars out of suckers because of one of those supplements. So it must be working.
2012-11-28 07:42:01 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: Belladonna is still cool, though, right?


3.bp.blogspot.com
/Approves
2012-11-28 05:42:42 AM  
1 vote:

log_jammin: untaken_name: It's pimped as a healthful herb. That's why it's relevant.

and no one has claimed it is "bad". That's why it's irrelevant.

untaken_name: Some people are able to make connections to similar things not specifically mentioned in articles.

and others are able to build a strawman to argue with.


We all have skills. Also, you're wrong again. What a surprise.
Link Link Link

Oops. I guess "no one" means "many people" in your language, but I don't speak moran so I dunno.
2012-11-28 05:24:45 AM  
1 vote:

ladyfortuna: gweilo8888: ladyfortuna: Yeah, because his ability to go on longer hikes is really just in my mind. /shrug

You see what you want to see, because of... wait for this... placebo effect.

In reality, there's probably no change.

The dog will not go on long hikes when he's not been getting his meds. When he has, he'll follow the longer path voluntarily instead of sitting there refusing to follow. Talking a difference between 1 mile (short hike) to around 2-2.5 miles, so about twice as far. How is that MY imagination?

/whatever


How do we know you're not high right now and the dog doesn't even exist? See OUR dilemma? Hell, I'm not even sure you're real.

/passes the herbal supplement
2012-11-28 03:29:57 AM  
1 vote:
Anyone who says marijuana doesnt work clearly was using the placebo.
2012-11-28 02:24:51 AM  
1 vote:
My shoulder has been hurting really bad. Like I couldn't even move it. No pills I took really helped.

So I masturbated furiously for like the past three days and the pain is gone.

Who knew.
2012-11-28 02:16:01 AM  
1 vote:
bountyhunterinc.com
2012-11-28 02:09:15 AM  
1 vote:

lohphat: How many people insisted radium pills and toothpaste "invigorated" their health in the 1910's?


It doesn't?

shiat...
2012-11-28 02:00:12 AM  
1 vote:

GarretSidzaka: my condolences


light up a doobie for me would you? Just put it on the tombstone. There's a little hole on the top for it.

/The casket is actually quite comfy. I've got a computer and TV and everything down here.
//Getting rid of the poo is a bit complicated but I do manage.
2012-11-28 01:51:58 AM  
1 vote:

lohphat: The snake oil industry jumped on it like Elmo on a 16 year old.


That is a new farkism now.
2012-11-28 01:43:43 AM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: SundaesChild: In other words, the pharmaceutical companies aren't making any money off them, so buy their drugs instead?

Idiot


I can't hear you; I've got a banana in my ear.
2012-11-28 01:38:14 AM  
1 vote:

Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: Glucosamine is not entirely useless.


There is only ONE clinical study where glucosamine/chondroitin was shown to have any affect on joint health and the statistical benefits were within the margin of error. The snake oil industry jumped on it like Elmo on a 16 year old.

Otherwise it's marketing hype + placebo effect.
2012-11-28 01:35:35 AM  
1 vote:
Your face is illegal.
2012-11-28 01:28:27 AM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: SundaesChild: In other words, the pharmaceutical companies aren't making any money off them, so buy their drugs instead?

Idiot


It's like no one ever heard of Big Nutra, right? Where can I get on a piece of the " we don't have to prove it works, nor do we have to verify dosages, but just trust that this root will rewangify you"
2012-11-28 01:27:35 AM  
1 vote:

Notabunny: TheJoe03: If marijuana doesn't work, then all the BS pills made for "pain relief" don't work either. Subby be trollin.

You know how I know you've never taken Codeine and Flexeril?


Gah. Never talk to me about Codeine. Never again.

/the spins
//oh god, the spins
2012-11-28 01:21:40 AM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2012-11-28 01:21:24 AM  
1 vote:
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
2012-11-27 09:44:11 PM  
1 vote:
At least one of those herbs works for me, submitter.

/you naughty boy
 
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