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2012-11-27 08:12:11 PM  
Yes Virginia, you have the right to be a paranoid white trash douche.
 
2012-11-27 08:23:59 PM  
It's a menorah! Travel-size.
 
2012-11-27 08:35:40 PM  
Kind of looks like a cactus...
 
2012-11-27 10:04:21 PM  
As a huge fan of freedom of speech, I really hate douchebags. It is quite a conundrum.
 
2012-11-27 10:06:01 PM  
People are still offended by the middle finger?
 
2012-11-27 10:06:43 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: People are still offended by the middle finger?


This, it's not like it was a cross or something.
 
2012-11-27 10:08:14 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: People are still offended by the middle finger?


THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNN!!!

/wharrgarrbl
 
2012-11-27 10:09:33 PM  
If the FCC can regulate what can be broadcast, local townships can certainly regulate signage.
 
2012-11-27 10:09:57 PM  
Louisiana Police:

Fascist Thugs or Enemies of Freedom?

You decide.
 
2012-11-27 10:11:18 PM  
Surprising? Only if you've never paid attention to what the ACLU ALWAYS FARKING DOES.
 
2012-11-27 10:11:27 PM  
Not a fan of conservatives, but I don't see in the article where that has anything to do with it. Liberals can be pissed at neighbors too.
 
2012-11-27 10:12:19 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If the FCC can regulate what can be broadcast, local townships can certainly regulate signage.


No. No, they can't.

/Research FCC airwave licenses.
 
2012-11-27 10:12:45 PM  
gee, she's having a dispute with her neighbors? really? whoda thunk it?

but, yeah, it's her constitutional right to be a tacky douche
 
2012-11-27 10:13:40 PM  
We haven't had an ACLU in a long time. Nice to see they are still out there!
 
2012-11-27 10:14:57 PM  
Nice that the ACLU is being proactive and (hopefully) saving the Town the expense of defending itself in a losing court case.
 
2012-11-27 10:15:06 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: It's a menorah! Travel-size.


I was thinking the same thing.
 
2012-11-27 10:16:56 PM  
Does Drew sell popcorn concessions? I want this one.
 
2012-11-27 10:17:27 PM  
The thumbed nose, the projected middle finger, the Bronx cheer

www.allhatnocattle.net

What's this one called?
 
2012-11-27 10:18:59 PM  
Yeah, when I see a prominently displayed cross or other religious symbol all I see is a big middle finger in my face "Hey look we get to be stupid and judgmental and force our beliefs on you through law, and we're tax exempt sucker!" So when can I call the cops to have them take that down? She should tell them she's a firm believer in the prophet "fark You" and she's just expressing her holiday wishes like everyone else on the block.

I hope she puts it back up. I hope the cops do something stupid. I hope the ACLU wins. I hope she gets a big settlement from the county.

Unpopular speech is the most important to protect; It may some day be yours.
 
2012-11-27 10:19:35 PM  
Stay classy, Red States.
 
2012-11-27 10:20:41 PM  
mbillips
No. No, they can't.

/Research FCC airwave licenses.

Thanks for saving me the trouble.
 
2012-11-27 10:21:52 PM  
No worries, the traveling Sink Hole will make all this Xmas spirit go away.
 
2012-11-27 10:21:56 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-27 10:22:01 PM  

fusillade762: The thumbed nose, the projected middle finger, the Bronx cheer

[www.allhatnocattle.net image 252x342]

What's this one called?


Vaffancul!
 
2012-11-27 10:26:58 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If the FCC can regulate what can be broadcast, local townships can certainly regulate signage.


It's part of your agreement when you get the broadcast license.

You're comparing apples and manila envelopes.
 
2012-11-27 10:26:58 PM  
Anyone else notice the poll in the right side margin?
Should wearing 'saggy pants' be illegal?
57% say yea/ 43% say nay

Now I find the saggy pant thing ridiculous, but a poll favoring legislation???? Glad the south has found a solution to all those other social hazards.

/red state problems
 
2012-11-27 10:27:58 PM  
Two pages into the comments and no conservatrolls have used the "But what if she made a picture of Mohamed" line yet?

You guys are losing your touch.
 
2012-11-27 10:28:09 PM  

UseLessHuman: I see a prominently displayed cross or other religious symbol all I see is a big middle finger in my face


That probably says more about you than the religious symbol or the religion it represents...
 
2012-11-27 10:29:09 PM  
It's a camel. A Goddamned camel. A camel with a wise nam on it. There's always a camel in nativity scenes. I just plain fail to see what all the hullabaloo is all about.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:09 PM  
The ACLU is much more consistent about their mission than, say, the NRA.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:13 PM  
I'd love to see the city actually quantify this law, explain it in precise terms, without a bunch of subjective descriptions. It's probably only slightly easier than putting an assault weapons ban together.
 
2012-11-27 10:30:24 PM  

JacksonBryan: Sock Ruh Tease: People are still offended by the middle finger?

This, it's not like it was a cross or something.


It's directed at a particular neighbor, who is supposed to be offended.

This farkwad is a childish twat. Reminds me of that c*nt who terrorized that woman whose daughter had died and whose granddaughter was dying. Whatever her name was.

Who has the energy for all of that petty vindictiveness?
 
2012-11-27 10:33:06 PM  
Your (^^^) cross offends ME, a$$wipe, but you don't see me calling the cops, do you?


Get a clue, bible thumper...your species is on its way to extinction.
 
2012-11-27 10:42:02 PM  

Mikey1969: It's part of your agreement when you get the broadcast license.


Not only that, but it only applies to public broadcasts in specific formats in a few bands, not to radio transmissions in general. My WiFi and cell phone broadcast porn all day long and the FCC loves me for it.
 
2012-11-27 10:42:46 PM  

DrVoice: The ACLU is much more consistent about their mission than, say, the NRA.


The National Republican Association is incredibly consistent. Precise, but not accurate, to put it another way. They consistently end up in the same place, even if it's not anywhere close to where they say they're aiming.
 
2012-11-27 10:46:38 PM  
I want to know more about the dispute with the neighbors. I'm nosy.
 
2012-11-27 10:48:07 PM  

theknuckler_33: As a huge fan of freedom of speech, I really hate douchebags. It is quite a conundrum.


You're free to hate douchebags. You just can't stop them from being that way.
 
2012-11-27 10:49:22 PM  
classy
 
2012-11-27 10:50:54 PM  

fastfxr: Your (^^^) cross offends ME, a$$wipe, but you don't see me calling the cops, do you?


no, you should probably call a shrink though, you delicate butterfly vagina made of petunia petals and gossamer
 
2012-11-27 10:52:33 PM  

DrVoice: The ACLU is much more consistent about their mission than, say, the NRA.


Not at all... The NRA is all-guns, all-the-time. The ACLU would find it tough to match that kind of consistency. I mean, they even acknowledge that slander or libel may not be protected under the first amendment, while the NRA says that you can shoot your neighbor if they look at you strangely.
 
2012-11-27 10:53:21 PM  
She should take it down and then hang up her huge Labia Menorah
 
2012-11-27 10:53:34 PM  

fastfxr: Your (^^^) cross offends ME


I agree - anyone who puts a spiky hemorrhoid cross on their lawn is trying to be offensive.

/or is that a three-eyed ghost?
 
2012-11-27 10:54:03 PM  

mbillips: AverageAmericanGuy: If the FCC can regulate what can be broadcast, local townships can certainly regulate signage.

No. No, they can't.

/Research FCC airwave licenses.


Yes they can. Put up a giant sign that say fark in your front lawn and see what happens. It is called obscenity laws.
 
2012-11-27 10:54:47 PM  

skullkrusher: fastfxr: Your (^^^) cross offends ME, a$$wipe, but you don't see me calling the cops, do you?

no, you should probably call a shrink though, you delicate butterfly vagina made of petunia petals and gossamer


Petunia petals???
 
2012-11-27 10:56:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: fastfxr: Your (^^^) cross offends ME, a$$wipe, but you don't see me calling the cops, do you?

no, you should probably call a shrink though, you delicate butterfly vagina made of petunia petals and gossamer

Petunia petals???


it was the pussiest flower I could think of at the moment... dandelion wisps?
 
2012-11-27 11:04:19 PM  

ongbok: Yes they can. Put up a giant sign that say fark in your front lawn and see what happens. It is called obscenity laws.


I once carved a pumpkin that had both a middle finger and a "big fark" you on it. Nobody called the police and local teens spared it in smashing raids. It just rotted away on the porch. To be fair it wasn't on my porch, I chose one of the many abandoned houses. Really just to confuse folks if anything. Hey I was young and hadn't discovered drugs or sex.
 
2012-11-27 11:06:52 PM  

Theaetetus: DrVoice: The ACLU is much more consistent about their mission than, say, the NRA.

Not at all... The NRA is all-guns, all-the-time. The ACLU would find it tough to match that kind of consistency. I mean, they even acknowledge that slander or libel may not be protected under the first amendment, while the NRA says that you can shoot your neighbor if they look at you strangely.


Yeah, I second that. The NRA is pretty consistent... whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.
 
2012-11-27 11:08:45 PM  
Not at all... The NRA is all-guns, all-the-time. The ACLU would find it tough to match that kind of consistency. I mean, they even acknowledge that slander or libel may not be protected under the first amendment, while the NRA says that you can shoot your neighbor if they look at you strangely.

Actually, not really. As the various articles around the recent Zimmerman/Martin case in Florida show; the NRA only supports Stand Your Grounders when they're white. They don't comment at all much less provide attorneys or money to minority Stand Your Grounders.
 
2012-11-27 11:09:45 PM  
Yeah, and ACLU Rules.

Subby you're surprised? Why?
 
2012-11-27 11:11:13 PM  
50 posts in and no pictures of Mr. Rogers yet? Kids these days don't properly respect Mr. Rogers and his filthy fingers...
 
2012-11-27 11:17:41 PM  
FTFA: Perkins says he informed Henderson that the display was in violation of obscenity laws and that it must come down, or else.

Is this what Corporal Perkins was taught when he took his Cop 101 course at the county adult education annex?
 
2012-11-27 11:20:18 PM  

jaytkay: Stay classy, Red States.


I'd say the only not classy (unclassy, I don't know) person here is the woman who is feuding with her neighbors.
 
2012-11-27 11:21:15 PM  
MY next-door neighbor is an a**hole. This is a tempting idea.
 
2012-11-27 11:21:41 PM  
My sister kids once spelled "shiat" on the roof in lights. She made them take it down before we got pics. :(
 
2012-11-27 11:23:42 PM  

stuffy: My sister kids once spelled "shiat" on the roof in lights. She made them take it down before we got pics. :(


I kinda get the idea of sister wives but I have no idea how this might work
 
2012-11-27 11:25:54 PM  

crabsno termites: Does Drew sell popcorn concessions? I want this one.


I was just about to make popcorn, so hah.
 
2012-11-27 11:26:26 PM  
"She agreed that it wasn't worth the possible hassle of fines and legal action," Perkins said.

However, the ACLU of Louisiana soon waded into the fray.

"The First Amendment expressly, explicitly, makes clear that even things like the raised middle finger are protected speech," says Executive Director Marjorie Esman.


/Yes, your right to be a douche bag and attention whore are protected, but there is something to be said for having some class.
 
2012-11-27 11:32:46 PM  
Could be worse...

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-27 11:34:54 PM  
Can't you just....you know, NOT put your Christmas lights up to swear?

I get my jollies by flipping off drivers who aren't looking at me, people on TV, my neighbors' houses, and places I used to work, but I've never felt the need to announce my assholishness in lights.
 
2012-11-27 11:35:03 PM  
I know her method is more direct. But I wonder who would have caught on if she arranged them in form of an actual bird with a spatula undeneath.
 
2012-11-27 11:35:14 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If the FCC can regulate what can be broadcast, local townships can certainly regulate signage.


Actually, what the FCC does is sue your for being obscene. (which is based off of no law, but "community standards")

You can either pay to settle the case and pay a huge fine, or enter a protracted legal battle that will last years.

If you fight it instead of paying up, suddenly it becomes impossible to get the FCC to renew your broadcast licenses and it becomes for you to operate a radio station.

Naturally, since radio companies own hundreds of radio stations, they will pay the fine, rather then be unable to do business. If they fought the legal battle they would win without question, but doing so would bankrupt them and put all their radio stations off the air.

/It's not illegal when the government does it.
 
2012-11-27 11:40:53 PM  
I'm not usually a fan of the ACLU, but I love when they do things like this, I really do.
 
2012-11-27 11:43:55 PM  
archive.sltrib.com
/Pffffft.... amateurs
 
2012-11-27 11:47:14 PM  

fusillade762: The thumbed nose, the projected middle finger, the Bronx cheer

[www.allhatnocattle.net image 252x342]

What's this one called?


I call that one "the Scalia". I'd like to believe that it will be his only lasting legacy.
 
2012-11-27 11:47:41 PM  

fusillade762: [www.allhatnocattle.net picture of Antonin Scalia image 252x342]

What's this one called?


Some arsehole ultra-conservative politician pretending to be an impartial judge?
 
2012-11-27 11:51:08 PM  

cryinoutloud: Can't you just....you know, NOT put your Christmas lights up to swear?


To suggest something like this is to deny the true Jerry Springer-esque inbred white trash essence of a great number of people who live in this great country of ours.
 
2012-11-27 11:51:25 PM  

cryinoutloud: Can't you just....you know, NOT put your Christmas lights up to swear?

I get my jollies by flipping off drivers who aren't looking at me, people on TV, my neighbors' houses, and places I used to work, but I've never felt the need to announce my assholishness in lights.


That would have been my first thought...but I guess some people just don't go for subtle.
 
2012-11-27 11:54:08 PM  
Insulting religions to insult religions is just assholish.
For all you that think this is funny, go light a bunch of Korans on fire in the shape of a penis. Hysterical.
 
2012-11-27 11:58:16 PM  
The ACLU I support it why don't you?
 
2012-11-28 12:01:04 AM  

whatshisname: UseLessHuman: I see a prominently displayed cross or other religious symbol all I see is a big middle finger in my face

That probably says more about you than the religious symbol or the religion it represents...


No you're right, it's my inability to accept the written word of people who didn't understand the basic principles of science that's to blame. Or perhaps their complete willingness to elevate themselves and their own beliefs above all others without any fact or proof to speak of. You got me. Totally busted. It's me that's to blame.
 
2012-11-28 12:02:35 AM  

CameraMonkey: whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.


That's bullshiat.

The ACLU is the of the most -- if not THE most -- evenhanded national group out there.

Why is right wingnut Oliver North not in jail? Because the ACLU came to his rescue.

When the KKK wants to march, what's the only organization that has their back? The ACLU.

The ACLU defends Christians.

The ACLU defends gun owners.

Hell, the ACLU even defended Rush farking Limbaugh.

Where the fark did you get the impression that the ACLU selectively discriminates against "conservatives"?
 
2012-11-28 12:07:04 AM  

UseLessHuman: whatshisname: UseLessHuman: I see a prominently displayed cross or other religious symbol all I see is a big middle finger in my face

That probably says more about you than the religious symbol or the religion it represents...

No you're right, it's my inability to accept the written word of people who didn't understand the basic principles of science that's to blame. Or perhaps their complete willingness to elevate themselves and their own beliefs above all others without any fact or proof to speak of. You got me. Totally busted. It's me that's to blame.


If seeing a cross is offensive to you, it's almost certainly YOU that has the problem. At long as it's not on public land or by governmental decree, I don't understand how you figure it's any of your business.
 
2012-11-28 12:09:04 AM  

eraser8: CameraMonkey: whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.

That's bullshiat.

The ACLU is the of the most -- if not THE most -- evenhanded national group out there.

Why is right wingnut Oliver North not in jail? Because the ACLU came to his rescue.

When the KKK wants to march, what's the only organization that has their back? The ACLU.

The ACLU defends Christians.

The ACLU defends gun owners.

Hell, the ACLU even defended Rush farking Limbaugh.

Where the fark did you get the impression that the ACLU selectively discriminates against "conservatives"?


eraser8: CameraMonkey: whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.

That's bullshiat.

The ACLU is the of the most -- if not THE most -- evenhanded national group out there.

Why is right wingnut Oliver North not in jail? Because the ACLU came to his rescue.

When the KKK wants to march, what's the only organization that has their back? The ACLU.

The ACLU defends Christians.

The ACLU defends gun owners.

Hell, the ACLU even defended Rush farking Limbaugh.

Where the fark did you get the impression that the ACLU selectively discriminates against "conservatives"?


Damn straight and that's important in this country and they are the least political group out there, that only defends civil liberties any and all.
 
2012-11-28 12:12:06 AM  
One would think that with all the work the ACLU does defending Freedom that the tea party would be sending them their first born. Then you realize that the people dumb enough to start out calling themselves teabaggers probably aren't thinking about this logically.

/I still remember the "WTF, we can say this on television" looks when the movement started.
 
2012-11-28 12:15:06 AM  
God, I love the ACLU! This chick has my FULL support!

/fark Livingston Parish and Denham Springs
//Denham Springs High school, class of '99
///Glad I got out when I did!
 
2012-11-28 12:16:08 AM  

UseLessHuman: whatshisname: UseLessHuman: I see a prominently displayed cross or other religious symbol all I see is a big middle finger in my face

That probably says more about you than the religious symbol or the religion it represents...

No you're right, it's my inability to accept the written word of people who didn't understand the basic principles of science that's to blame. Or perhaps their complete willingness to elevate themselves and their own beliefs above all others without any fact or proof to speak of. You got me. Totally busted. It's me that's to blame.


huh?
 
2012-11-28 12:18:35 AM  

UseLessHuman: whatshisname: UseLessHuman: I see a prominently displayed cross or other religious symbol all I see is a big middle finger in my face

That probably says more about you than the religious symbol or the religion it represents...

No you're right, it's my inability to accept the written word of people who didn't understand the basic principles of science that's to blame. Or perhaps their complete willingness to elevate themselves and their own beliefs above all others without any fact or proof to speak of. You got me. Totally busted. It's me that's to blame.


Yep, it is you.
 
2012-11-28 12:20:26 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie:
Damn straight and that's important in this country and they are the least political group out there, that only defends civil liberties any and all.


As opposed to the absolute joke of an endorsement the NRA gave Romney this year, completely going against 20+ years of precedent?
 
2012-11-28 12:22:20 AM  
I like the poll on the side:

hould wearing 'saggy pants' be illegal?
Yes( 53% )
No ( 47% )
 
2012-11-28 12:25:44 AM  
I don't know about this. It is offensive, but is it really obscene?
I mean, how is this different (in terms of obscenity) than if someone had a picture of a naked lady on their roof? In some ways, this may not even be obscenity as much as disturbing the peace.
 
2012-11-28 12:25:47 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: I like the poll on the side:
hould wearing 'saggy pants' be illegal?
Yes( 53% )
No ( 47% )


Should people wearing saggy pants have them pulled down all the way?

Yes (98%)
Depends on hotness of wearer (2%)
 
2012-11-28 12:30:39 AM  
Good on the ACLU for defending her, but what a c*nt! Instead of actually talkin to the neighbors she decides to announce her biatchiness in the form of a giant lighted middle finger.

The cops AND her are wrong in this situation. Talk shiat out instead of being a flagrant biatch.
 
2012-11-28 12:33:11 AM  

zarberg: tinfoil-hat maggie:
Damn straight and that's important in this country and they are the least political group out there, that only defends civil liberties any and all.

As opposed to the absolute joke of an endorsement the NRA gave Romney this year, completely going against 20+ years of precedent?


Sorry I'm not real familiar on that, I will say I support gun ownership n this country and I didn't like the part in the movie clip I linked about going after the guns and I'm glad that's not really an issue now. Education and jobs are the way to reduce crime not removing guns.
 
2012-11-28 12:40:35 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: zarberg: tinfoil-hat maggie:
Damn straight and that's important in this country and they are the least political group out there, that only defends civil liberties any and all.

As opposed to the absolute joke of an endorsement the NRA gave Romney this year, completely going against 20+ years of precedent?

Sorry I'm not real familiar on that, I will say I support gun ownership n this country and I didn't like the part in the movie clip I linked about going after the guns and I'm glad that's not really an issue now. Education and jobs are the way to reduce crime not removing guns.


I support gun rights too, but the NRA has turned more or less purely political. Not including 2012, for the past 9 elections the NRA has endorsed the candidate with the record of least resistance against gun rights always stating in their endorsement why they endorse that candidate. In 2012 they endorsed Romney saying that Obama was "poised" to bring sweeping and restrictive legislation against gun rights. Up until 2012 Obama had signed into law a bill allowing conceal and carry permits to be valid on Amtrak trains and in federal parks, and Romney signed at least 1 bill restricting gun rights in MA (he may have signed other minor ones, but the big one targeted assault weapons and their definition, IIRC).

So yeah ... I'm done with the NRA. Membership cancelled, and the two phone calls I've had asking why I cancelled I explained quite clearly that they had become a political organization that used gun rights as a partisan tool, not a gun ownership organization that makes occasional political endorsements.
 
2012-11-28 12:41:57 AM  

mbillips: Surprising? Only if you've never paid attention to what the ACLU ALWAYS FARKING DOES.


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-11-28 12:41:58 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Good on the ACLU for defending her, but what a c*nt! Instead of actually talkin to the neighbors she decides to announce her biatchiness in the form of a giant lighted middle finger.

The cops AND her are wrong in this situation. Talk shiat out instead of being a flagrant biatch.


Thisitty this.

I once spent 90 minutes of a two-hour mediation explaining to two fresh-minted lawyers (and I use the term loosely) that one person asking another person to please be a little bit civil in neighborhood relations was NOT a First Amendment issue. And that being a righteous coont at the expense of another person may be a "right" but it wasn't a good way to encourage harmony in the home or in the area.

Oddly, the two neighbors were much easier to convince than the suits.
 
2012-11-28 12:48:42 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Not a fan of conservatives, but I don't see in the article where that has anything to do with it. Liberals can be pissed at neighbors too.


Some people evidently believe that it's "conservative" to be peeved at an asshole who wants to make Christmas a vehicle for carrying on a feud with the world. Try putting up a swastika in lights in San Francisco and see how surprisingly "conservative" that neighborhood turns out to be.
 
2012-11-28 12:53:31 AM  

jjorsett: Spanky_McFarksalot: Not a fan of conservatives, but I don't see in the article where that has anything to do with it. Liberals can be pissed at neighbors too.

Some people evidently believe that it's "conservative" to be peeved at an asshole who wants to make Christmas a vehicle for carrying on a feud with the world. Try putting up a swastika in lights in San Francisco and see how surprisingly "conservative" that neighborhood turns out to be.


Dunno man, Denham Springs is a pretty damn conservative town (at least when I lived there it was) in a VERY conservative Parish.
 
2012-11-28 12:56:43 AM  

zarberg: tinfoil-hat maggie: zarberg: tinfoil-hat maggie:
Damn straight and that's important in this country and they are the least political group out there, that only defends civil liberties any and all.

As opposed to the absolute joke of an endorsement the NRA gave Romney this year, completely going against 20+ years of precedent?

Sorry I'm not real familiar on that, I will say I support gun ownership n this country and I didn't like the part in the movie clip I linked about going after the guns and I'm glad that's not really an issue now. Education and jobs are the way to reduce crime not removing guns.

I support gun rights too, but the NRA has turned more or less purely political. Not including 2012, for the past 9 elections the NRA has endorsed the candidate with the record of least resistance against gun rights always stating in their endorsement why they endorse that candidate. In 2012 they endorsed Romney saying that Obama was "poised" to bring sweeping and restrictive legislation against gun rights. Up until 2012 Obama had signed into law a bill allowing conceal and carry permits to be valid on Amtrak trains and in federal parks, and Romney signed at least 1 bill restricting gun rights in MA (he may have signed other minor ones, but the big one targeted assault weapons and their definition, IIRC).

So yeah ... I'm done with the NRA. Membership cancelled, and the two phone calls I've had asking why I cancelled I explained quite clearly that they had become a political organization that used gun rights as a partisan tool, not a gun ownership organization that makes occasional political endorsements.


Hmm, I think we agree then, that's sad they became that political because yea, I don't think Pres. Obama has ever mention guns outside of what you said and that sure seems reasonable so, yea, I guess there is some disconnect in the NRA now which is sad.
 
2012-11-28 01:01:49 AM  

Gyrfalcon: scottydoesntknow: Good on the ACLU for defending her, but what a c*nt! Instead of actually talkin to the neighbors she decides to announce her biatchiness in the form of a giant lighted middle finger.

The cops AND her are wrong in this situation. Talk shiat out instead of being a flagrant biatch.

Thisitty this.

I once spent 90 minutes of a two-hour mediation explaining to two fresh-minted lawyers (and I use the term loosely) that one person asking another person to please be a little bit civil in neighborhood relations was NOT a First Amendment issue. And that being a righteous coont at the expense of another person may be a "right" but it wasn't a good way to encourage harmony in the home or in the area.

Oddly, the two neighbors were much easier to convince than the suits.


Don't you know you're supposed to be billing by the hour, you should have asked for a countenance a few time and then gone at it : )
 
2012-11-28 01:04:52 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Good on the ACLU for defending her, but what a c*nt! Instead of actually talkin to the neighbors she decides to announce her biatchiness in the form of a giant lighted middle finger.

The cops AND her are wrong in this situation. Talk shiat out instead of being a flagrant biatch.


Not to defend the woman, because I think what she did was tacky and immature, but sometimes, some people can't be reasoned with so talk is useless. csb... I used to have a neighbor who was a bartender and aspiring drummer. He usually returned home from work at about 2:30am, and would sometimes practice his drums at that hour. Naturally, it wasn't something my family wanted to wake up to, so I when I saw him, I asked him if he could find another time to practice. He actually got pissed at me for asking him, telling me, "I don't care if you're sleeping at that hour. It's you're fault for having a job with daytime hours. You should just sleep during the day like I do because that's when I'm not playing."

Some shiatheads just can't be reasoned with so it's often just an exercise in futility to even speak with them. Though in this case, I would tend to think its middle-finger lady who's the unreasonable one.
 
2012-11-28 01:10:47 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: It's a menorah! Travel-size.



imgsrv.wwl.com

yibrookline.org


I see AdolfOliverPanties has this covered.


/Carry on
 
2012-11-28 01:12:50 AM  
Everything is better in Utah....


atthefunnyfarm.org
 
2012-11-28 01:13:16 AM  

mafiageek1980: jjorsett: Spanky_McFarksalot: Not a fan of conservatives, but I don't see in the article where that has anything to do with it. Liberals can be pissed at neighbors too.

Some people evidently believe that it's "conservative" to be peeved at an asshole who wants to make Christmas a vehicle for carrying on a feud with the world. Try putting up a swastika in lights in San Francisco and see how surprisingly "conservative" that neighborhood turns out to be.

Dunno man, Denham Springs is a pretty damn conservative town (at least when I lived there it was) in a VERY conservative Parish.


I'm not saying that it isn't, just that being conservative isn't necessarily the reason people are put off by this behavior.
 
2012-11-28 01:15:33 AM  
The ACLU should get a permanent HERO tag.
 
2012-11-28 01:15:42 AM  

jjorsett: mafiageek1980: jjorsett: Spanky_McFarksalot: Not a fan of conservatives, but I don't see in the article where that has anything to do with it. Liberals can be pissed at neighbors too.

Some people evidently believe that it's "conservative" to be peeved at an asshole who wants to make Christmas a vehicle for carrying on a feud with the world. Try putting up a swastika in lights in San Francisco and see how surprisingly "conservative" that neighborhood turns out to be.

Dunno man, Denham Springs is a pretty damn conservative town (at least when I lived there it was) in a VERY conservative Parish.

I'm not saying that it isn't, just that being conservative isn't necessarily the reason people are put off by this behavior.


Good point.
 
2012-11-28 01:58:10 AM  

CameraMonkey: Theaetetus: DrVoice: The ACLU is much more consistent about their mission than, say, the NRA.

Not at all... The NRA is all-guns, all-the-time. The ACLU would find it tough to match that kind of consistency. I mean, they even acknowledge that slander or libel may not be protected under the first amendment, while the NRA says that you can shoot your neighbor if they look at you strangely.

Yeah, I second that. The NRA is pretty consistent... whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.


fayinc.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-28 02:20:08 AM  
I guess this thread has already arrived at the right answer, but I'll pile on.

Both ACLU and NRA are consistent with respect to being associated with a political party. Both are formally apolitical. Sure, most ACLU supporters are D's and most NRA supporters are R's; the public associates one with the left and one with the right. But most Farkers understand that viewing politics on a horizontal axis (left/right) only is simplistic.

Both orgs are political in the sense that they advocate public policy positions and evaluate politicians based on the politician's sympathy for the organization's core values. Both are principled in the sense that (despite the political affiliation of most of their members) they will cross party lines to advocate for their issues. Examples: NRA endorses mainly R's but will endorse a D with a record of support for 2nd Amdt rights over an R with no such record or a weak record.

I agree with those who said ACLU is a little bit hypocritical for not embracing all individual constitutional rights and liberties. ACLU does not advocate or litigate for certain constitutional rights such as 2nd Amdt and property rights. ACLU is principled in the sense that it advocates and litigates for a subset of the civil liberties of all people in US jurisdictions, even people its members look down on (like white supremacists and fundamentalists).
 
2012-11-28 02:25:35 AM  
That reminds me - what's going on with Flip Joe the Derp?
 
2012-11-28 02:32:24 AM  

UseLessHuman: Unpopular speech is the most important to protect; It may some day be yours.


This.

Also, fark all the shiatbags in this thread comparing the ACLU to the NRA. The NRA votes straight-ticket Republican; they endorsed Romney, you farking morons. Remember? The ACLU does what's right.
 
2012-11-28 03:24:40 AM  

4tehsnowflakes: Examples: NRA endorses mainly R's but will endorse a D with a record of support for 2nd Amdt rights over an R with no such record or a weak record.


Baloney. They endorsed Mitt Romney over Barack Obama despite the latter's superior record on gun rights. Do you really think I can't remember 2 months ago?
 
2012-11-28 03:30:19 AM  
Just because you have the right to do something, sometimes maybe you shouldnt.

/ depending on her neighbors, this could be really funny though.
 
2012-11-28 03:34:03 AM  

4tehsnowflakes:

Both orgs are political in the sense that they advocate public policy positions and evaluate politicians based on the politician's sympathy for the organization's core values. Both are principled in the sense that (despite the political affiliation of most of their members) they will cross party lines to advocate for their issues. Examples: NRA endorses mainly R's but will endorse a D with a record of support for 2nd Amdt rights over an R with no such record or a weak record.

I agree with those who said ACLU is a little bit hypocritical for not embracing all individual constitutional rights and liberties. ACLU does not advocate or litigate for certain constitutional rights such as 2nd Amdt and property rights. .


1. The ACLU does not endorse political candidates.

2. Perhaps, like every other organization in the country, they allocate scarce dollars where they'll do the most good. It's not like there's a large extremely well funded organization already dedicated to ensuring that 2nd Amendment rights are not abridged. I don't see a lot of money on a national level dedicated to being certain that every asshole who wants to can put their holiday lights in the shape of the finger on their roof.
 
2012-11-28 03:41:46 AM  

Butthurted: Anyone else notice the poll in the right side margin?
Should wearing 'saggy pants' be illegal?
57% say yea/ 43% say nay

Now I find the saggy pant thing ridiculous, but a poll favoring legislation???? Glad the south has found a solution to all those other social hazards.

/red state problems


No I didn't but.

But my belated vote still results in 55% yes, 45% no.

Wow some people really do live a life of no fun (I mean, I get up on my soap box and biatch but I still ensure that I enjoy my life...get some sun, go for a walk, check out Fark and generally revel in the joys of existence).

I am not sure what these people are trying to push.
 
2012-11-28 03:49:04 AM  

The Why Not Guy: 4tehsnowflakes: Examples: NRA endorses mainly R's but will endorse a D with a record of support for 2nd Amdt rights over an R with no such record or a weak record.

Baloney. They endorsed Mitt Romney over Barack Obama despite the latter's superior record on gun rights. Do you really think I can't remember 2 months ago?


I guess you could argue whether Tweedlerom or Tweedlebama is better on gun rights. I'm not real interested in that argument. All I know is I received a mailer from NRA at election time and in a few cases they had endorsed pro-gun D's over R's.
 
2012-11-28 03:52:58 AM  

CameraMonkey: Theaetetus: DrVoice: The ACLU is much more consistent about their mission than, say, the NRA.

Not at all... The NRA is all-guns, all-the-time. The ACLU would find it tough to match that kind of consistency. I mean, they even acknowledge that slander or libel may not be protected under the first amendment, while the NRA says that you can shoot your neighbor if they look at you strangely.

Yeah, I second that. The NRA is pretty consistent... whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.


It can really only be viewed as 'uneven' if you accept that bastards should have the same rights under law as decent peeps - alas I feel in myself much more support when seeing oppressed minorities protest than I do when I watch a Tea Bagger rally or a similar USvTHEM type of event.

Even if this woman is a bastard, she isn't doing anything more than showing her contempt for her (supposedly specific) neighbour. Suck it up Junior. Or better yet, enjoy the ride...
 
2012-11-28 03:57:14 AM  

susler: 4tehsnowflakes:

Both orgs are political in the sense that they advocate public policy positions and evaluate politicians based on the politician's sympathy for the organization's core values. Both are principled in the sense that (despite the political affiliation of most of their members) they will cross party lines to advocate for their issues. Examples: NRA endorses mainly R's but will endorse a D with a record of support for 2nd Amdt rights over an R with no such record or a weak record.

I agree with those who said ACLU is a little bit hypocritical for not embracing all individual constitutional rights and liberties. ACLU does not advocate or litigate for certain constitutional rights such as 2nd Amdt and property rights. .

1. The ACLU does not endorse political candidates.

2. Perhaps, like every other organization in the country, they allocate scarce dollars where they'll do the most good. It's not like there's a large extremely well funded organization already dedicated to ensuring that 2nd Amendment rights are not abridged. I don't see a lot of money on a national level dedicated to being certain that every asshole who wants to can put their holiday lights in the shape of the finger on their roof.


Both valid points. ACLU does however have a lobbying arm which advocates for or against legislation. As for allocating money, ACLU does have some projects that you could argue are driven by policy objectives and are not really civil liberties issues. For example ACLU opposes the death penalty in all cases -- even when the due process rights of the accused were not violated and there is no other legal basis to object to the result -- on the grounds that the death penalty is always cruel and unusual.
 
2012-11-28 04:18:56 AM  

tjfly: Insulting religions to insult religions is just assholish.
For all you that think this is funny, go light a bunch of Korans on fire in the shape of a penis. Hysterical.


Ah yes, the sacred cow philosophy. There are no sacred cows, nor should there be. The net effect of burning a Koran is having paid for it, you have financially supported the book's Muslim publishers.
 
2012-11-28 05:09:36 AM  
I am shocked...SHOCKED this happened in Livingston Parish
 
2012-11-28 06:55:04 AM  

theknuckler_33: As a huge fan of freedom of speech, I really hate douchebags. It is quite a conundrum.


aren't douchebags generally who the first amendment is designed to protect?
 
2012-11-28 07:36:13 AM  

mafiageek1980: God, I love the ACLU! This chick has my FULL support!

/fark Livingston Parish and Denham Springs
//Denham Springs High school, class of '99
///Glad I got out when I did!


*gasp* You grew up in the heart of Redneckistan?

My cousin's neighbor cut a hand flying the bird out of a piece of plywood and stood it up pointed at their house. My cousin and his wife just chuckled and told everyone about their bat shiat crazy neighbors.

/STA class if 98'
//still living here
 
2012-11-28 08:12:48 AM  

Green Scorpio: theknuckler_33: As a huge fan of freedom of speech, I really hate douchebags. It is quite a conundrum.

aren't douchebags generally who the first amendment is designed to protect?


Only if you think criticizing the government makes you a douchebag.
 
2012-11-28 08:16:03 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Not a fan of conservatives, but I don't see in the article where that has anything to do with it. Liberals can be pissed at neighbors too.


This is Fark. Anyone who does anything bad is automatically a Republican while anyone who ever does anything good is a Democrat. There are only two parties, and Democrats are the essence of good and Republicans are the epitome of evil.
 
2012-11-28 08:18:44 AM  

eraser8: CameraMonkey: whereas the ACLU tends to pick and choose their battles based on their ideology. I can vaguely recall a few cases leaning to the conservative side that they opted not to fight. So no, the ACLU is not some magical even handed organization.

That's bullshiat.

The ACLU is the of the most -- if not THE most -- evenhanded national group out there.

Why is right wingnut Oliver North not in jail? Because the ACLU came to his rescue.

When the KKK wants to march, what's the only organization that has their back? The ACLU.

The ACLU defends Christians.

The ACLU defends gun owners.

Hell, the ACLU even defended Rush farking Limbaugh.

Where the fark did you get the impression that the ACLU selectively discriminates against "conservatives"?


My one gripe against the ACLU, while I love them dearly, is that they don't seem to care about the second amendment at all. Other than that, they protect unpopular liberties, which are the liberties that needs protecting.
 
2012-11-28 08:44:35 AM  
Meh. The business park I work in has a tall bush with one short thick one on either side.

I tell people it looks like the place is flipping off the neighborhood. But really, it looks like a penis at full salute complete with testicles.
 
2012-11-28 09:13:09 AM  

machoprogrammer: My one gripe against the ACLU, while I love them dearly, is that they don't seem to care about the second amendment at all. Other than that, they protect unpopular liberties, which are the liberties that needs protecting.


The reason the ACLU has traditionally ignored 2nd amendment cases is because the rich and powerful NRA exists to advocate for those cases, so why should the ACLU spend precious resources there? Unfortunately the NRA has morphed into something completely different, so maybe the ACLU needs to revisit that stance.
 
2012-11-28 10:48:52 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: People are still offended by the middle finger?



Says the person on a website where you can't say fark or shiat?


I'm not sure which I am rolling my eyes at harder, the random "conservative" label in the headline, or that the ACLU still doesn't have a clue wtf the 1st Amendment actually means.

/had Christmas one year in Denham Springs
//do not hang out at their Burger King, it is G H E T T O
///their IHOP was the only one I've ever seen with a "24 hours" sign
////their IHOP was the only one I've seen that CLOSED at midnight if they weren't busy
 
2012-11-28 10:51:28 AM  

msimon8: I am shocked...SHOCKED this happened in Livingston Parish


What an awful hell hole that place is. I thought Baton Rouge was horrible. It is, of course. I thought I'd explore the vicinity ... then I happened upon Dennum Sprangs. If you're trailer trash, a junkie, crackhead, toothless prostitute, Bible thumper, horrible racist, or all of the above, then this is the place for you!

*Not everyone there is this way, but you'll fit in much better if you are.
 
2012-11-28 10:52:26 AM  

twiztedjustin: or that the ACLU still doesn't have a clue wtf the 1st Amendment actually means.


What, specifically, is it that you disagree with the Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeal on with regard to this issue?
 
2012-11-28 10:58:23 AM  

twiztedjustin: or that the ACLU still doesn't have a clue wtf the 1st Amendment actually means.


Do tell.

What exactly have they got wrong?
 
2012-11-28 12:44:17 PM  
I live here. I don't agree with her lack of reasonable judgment, but I will fight for her to be allowed to express herself and decorate the property she owns in any way she sees fit to do so. No one should have the right to tell you what you can and can't do with your own property, though it happens all too often.
 
2012-11-28 12:49:47 PM  
I'd have just told the cops it's a menorah, get over it.
 
2012-11-28 12:54:03 PM  

machoprogrammer: My one gripe against the ACLU, while I love them dearly, is that they don't seem to care about the second amendment at all. Other than that, they protect unpopular liberties, which are the liberties that needs protecting.


The Why Not Guy: Unfortunately the NRA has morphed into something completely different, so maybe the ACLU needs to revisit that stance.


ACLU petitions court to get man's guns returned from Broward Sheriff's Office:
The American Civil Liberties Union is petitioning a court to help an 85-year-old man get his guns back from the Broward Sheriff's Office..."Under the Second Amendment, he has a right to have his guns in his house. He's not a convicted felon," Butin said. "It is unusual for the ACLU. But the ACLU supports all constitutional rights. We don't pick and choose."
 
2012-11-28 01:07:27 PM  
Huh, well I actually thought about doing this same thing when the neighbors were practically demanding that I hang up Christmas lights.
 
2012-11-28 02:43:22 PM  

tjfly: Insulting religions to insult religions is just assholish.
For all you that think this is funny, go light a bunch of Korans on fire in the shape of a penis. Hysterical.


Woot I now have plans for the weekend!
 
2012-11-28 04:19:05 PM  

twiztedjustin: Sock Ruh Tease: People are still offended by the middle finger?


Says the person on a website where you can't say fark or shiat?


Drew doesn't filter certain words because he's worried people will be offended by them; he does so to keep Fark.com from being blocked by workplace web filters/firewalls... Also, this is a private web site, not the government censoring you... If you manage to find a way around the Fark filters and type an actual swear word (I used to know of a way, but I believe that hole is closed now), the cops aren't going to show up at your house and demand you delete your post (which Fark doesn't let you do, anyway!)...

or that the ACLU still doesn't have a clue wtf the 1st Amendment actually means.

I'm pretty sure both they and the court whose relevent decision they quote know quite well what it means far better than you do...
 
2012-11-29 04:07:57 AM  

twiztedjustin: I'm not sure which I am rolling my eyes at harder, the random "conservative" label in the headline, or that the ACLU still doesn't have a clue wtf the 1st Amendment actually means.


Please tell us, Oh Great and Learned One, what does the 1st Amendment actually mean?
 
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