thomps: "It's mathematically not possible, because the relationship is a negative relationship - they're moving in the opposite direction," Baker said. "So the only thing it could be is that more guns are causing less crime."well no, it could also be that there is no causation at all, or other factors outweigh a causation between increased gun ownership and gun crime. there are a lot of possibilities here because you aren't doing any actual analysis with the data you were provided.
jso2897: As in Japan, our aging population has meant dropping crime rates - everywhere in the industrialized West. When the Boomers die, society will trend young again - and, guess what?In the meantime, though, we have to listen to every idiot who has a theory about crime prevention claim success. We'll have to listen to another ten-fifteen years of it, at least.[i18.photobucket.com image 384x400]
Dimensio: You are correct. The risk of a non-firearm owning individual negligently shooting a family member using a firearm that they own is zero. The risk of a firearm owning individual negligently shooting a family member using a firearm that they own is nonzero. Dividing the latter by the former reveals that firearm owners are infinitely more likely than non-firearm owners to shoot family members.
sno man: /a curious aside: there were 552 murders in all of Canada in 2010. There were just less than half that in L.A. (one tenthish the population) and/or also in New Orleans (one 100thish)
o5iiawah: Befuddled: I don't get why the pro-gunners aren't pushing for more things to keep people from committing crimes so that guns don't get blamed for high crime, basically a far better social safety net. Maybe I'm expecting too much from them.Because there are some of us who feel that a guy who crawls though your window at night looking for electronics in your kid's bedroom is actually a criminal and not some victim of society and if only we increased funding to XYZ, then there wouldn't be any more crime.The first question in any ethics 101 class asks people to consider if it is okay for a hungry man to steal a loaf of bread off someone else's windowsill. (The answer is no, by the way)
dustman81: Let's look at Kennesaw, GA. A town where gun ownership isn't just encouraged, it's the law.Named in 2007 as Family Circle's "10 best towns for families".In 2008, Kennesaw recorded 31 violent crimes, as compared to 127 in Dalton and 188 in Hinesville. 555 property crimes were recorded as compared to 1,124 in Dalton and 1,802 in Hinesville. (From the Financial Times)
President Merkin Muffley: dustman81: Let's look at Kennesaw, GA. A town where gun ownership isn't just encouraged, it's the law.Named in 2007 as Family Circle's "10 best towns for families".In 2008, Kennesaw recorded 31 violent crimes, as compared to 127 in Dalton and 188 in Hinesville. 555 property crimes were recorded as compared to 1,124 in Dalton and 1,802 in Hinesville. (From the Financial Times)I'll bite. What are the populations of each town and the crimes as a percentage of those populations.Dustman81 will deliver, let's just wait.
BSABSVR: What is the violent crime rate in other states? What about the rate of gun ownership? This is not enough data to reach the conclusions that the entire internet has apparently reached.
CanuckInCA: sno man:Up here in Canuckistan where we are a bit more, ahem, conservative about gun ownership crime rates are going down too./a curious aside: there were 552 murders in all of Canada in 2010. There were just less than half that in L.A. (one tenthish the population) and/or also in New Orleans (one 100thish)I think the murder rates in cities like LA or New Orleans might be the result of slightly more complex factors than access to guns. Last I checked Canadian gangs have no problems getting them and shooting them off in public./lives in LA//still alive, dodging bullets on my way to work.
Sum Dum Gai: I'm also assuming that people in group A would commit violent crimes irrespective of access to firearms - if you're so bent on committing a crime that you'll plan it out in advance and do it in cold blood, you'd find a way to commit a violent crime no matter what method you used.
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