jaytkay: RINO: Probably because they are outright lies. Chicago's murder rate during the gun ban was an average of ~900 homicides a year. As I recall, Chicago and DC had the strictest gun control in the country, and had the worst crime rates across the board. Since their gun bans were thrown out, their crime rates have begun to fall more in line with the national average.You know how I know you haven't bothered to look at the actual numbers?
BeesNuts: Mikey1969: What I find interesting is that if there is a single attack in the US with a single death or injury, we get 3 weeks of debate about whether guns should be illegal.Please sell me your time machine. I would like to go back to the early 90's where you have apparently been living for the last 15 years, uninterrupted.By the way, welcome to the internet! It's a pretty cool place that doesn't afraid of anything. You'll get used to it. Pick up your complementary iPod Nano on the way out.
FishStampede: Correlation, causation, statisticals, etc.But seriously...do liberals even argue for gun control anymore? It seems like conservatives are just screaming at a wall here, since I don't hear any liberals who have not personally been shot by a crazed gunman coming out against responsible gun ownership./member of my local Liberal Gun Club
pacified: when you join a "WELL REGULATED MILITIA" you can have your farking gun assholes.
Mikey1969: BeesNuts: Mikey1969: What I find interesting is that if there is a single attack in the US with a single death or injury, we get 3 weeks of debate about whether guns should be illegal.Please sell me your time machine. I would like to go back to the early 90's where you have apparently been living for the last 15 years, uninterrupted.By the way, welcome to the internet! It's a pretty cool place that doesn't afraid of anything. You'll get used to it. Pick up your complementary iPod Nano on the way out.So in other words, you are dodging the point entirely. Hell, you could have saved the time it took you to post, and I would have known that I was right.Thanks for supporting that assertion, though. I guess even you have a purpose in this planet.
0Icky0: Ishkur: Crime is a distinct metric dependent upon a number of factors, the most important being demographics (crime is predominantly caused by 18-24 males), culture, disparity of affluence, and simply reporting crime. But there is no correlation between firearms and crime.Here in Hong Kong....Nearly 7 million people, packed tightly together. Extremely stressful working environment.And no guns.We had 12 homicides last year.Correlate that, gun-nuts./gun owner..when in the States...because Americans are crazy.
Mikey1969: The "best"? No, the quickest, you stupid fark. Besides," a few years ago" doesn't make a lick of difference in this conversation. As for 38,it's what I could remember off the top of my head. I believe it's a bit conservative, actually.
LavenderWolf: Mikey1969: jaytkay: Mikey1969: Big deal, look at the rash of school attacks in China and couple of years ago, something like 38 kids murdered, no guns at all. All knives and one sword, I believeDamn.I mean we have weekly incidents in the US where guys kill their families.But 38 in China? Has their economy recovered?Yeah, because that was the point. You know what the point is, so I'm not going to re-state it.No, you clearly don't understand.There were FAR FEWER HOMICIDES. They didn't just find other ways. What the fark is wrong with your reading comprehension?
thomps: brap: Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah blah, you're a freedom fighter and Minuteman, just put me on ignore.what power pop song is this from? is this big star?
jso2897: As in Japan, our aging population has meant dropping crime rates - everywhere in the industrialized West. When the Boomers die, society will trend young again - and, guess what?
jaerik: Which is why every other country with more strict gun laws than the US is a hive of blood-soaked violence and villainy.Oh wait. Correlations are hard. And other countries aren't real.
way south: jaerik: Which is why every other country with more strict gun laws than the US is a hive of blood-soaked violence and villainy.Oh wait. Correlations are hard. And other countries aren't real.Some of these places are./Jamaica./Somalia./Puerto Rico... Oh, wait!//correlations are often inconvenient.
Monkeyhouse Zendo: As a liberal I think it's high time we just walked away from this issue altogether. Conservatives are so driven by fear that we're going to take their guns away that they will oppose even the most common-sense regulation. I think the solution is to allow them to regulate or deregulate firearm ownership and operation to whatever degree they want. Only when they've gotten over their fear will they start to look around and realize things may have gotten a little out of hand and start considering rational regulation.
robrr2003: "Only when Conservatives have gotten over their fears will they give in to ours."So when you talk about being "driven by fear" are you being intentionally ironic?
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