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(Hot Air)   Since 2006 Virginia has had a 73% increase in guns sales and the violent crime rate exploded...Wait. Sorry... I mean dropped 27% and gun violence down 26% and over all crime down. So Brady Campaign lets ban guns to make things safer   (hotair.com) divider line 220
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2012-11-28 11:56:37 AM  

jaytkay: RINO: Probably because they are outright lies. Chicago's murder rate during the gun ban was an average of ~900 homicides a year. As I recall, Chicago and DC had the strictest gun control in the country, and had the worst crime rates across the board. Since their gun bans were thrown out, their crime rates have begun to fall more in line with the national average.

You know how I know you haven't bothered to look at the actual numbers?


Homicides in Chicago 1990-1995
1990: 851[6]
1991: 927[7]
1992: 943[7]
1993: 855[7]
1994: 931[7]
1995: 828[7]

Homicides in Chicago as of 11/27/2012
2012: 500(to date)[8]
 
2012-11-28 12:06:39 PM  

BeesNuts: Mikey1969: What I find interesting is that if there is a single attack in the US with a single death or injury, we get 3 weeks of debate about whether guns should be illegal.

Please sell me your time machine. I would like to go back to the early 90's where you have apparently been living for the last 15 years, uninterrupted.

By the way, welcome to the internet! It's a pretty cool place that doesn't afraid of anything. You'll get used to it. Pick up your complementary iPod Nano on the way out.


So in other words, you are dodging the point entirely. Hell, you could have saved the time it took you to post, and I would have known that I was right.

Thanks for supporting that assertion, though. I guess even you have a purpose in this planet.
 
2012-11-28 12:36:46 PM  
Nothing in these findings surprise me.

Criminals including felons seem to be able to get their hands on guns just fine. Limiting ownership for non-criminals makes non-criminals less able to defend themselves vs criminals with guns. Give more guns to non-criminals and criminals have less unprotected targets. Less targets = less crime.

If we some how managed to remove every gun from the US the criminals would use sticks, knives, or swords. If you just had your bare fists you would lose. The crime rate for deaths by sticks, knives, or swords would climb greatly. However, if we started selling more sticks, knives, swords to non-criminals the crime rate would drop.

I do not understand why people have such a hard time understanding this easily viewable nature of humans. You hand a 10 year old bully a stick and he is going to hit other kids. You give the other kids sticks and he thinks twice about hitting kids with his stick because now they can hit him back. 

Huh, wonder if it has anything to do with why animals attack the unprotected of the herd. I mean, shouldn't they go for the bigger but "armed" buffalo? There is a whole lot more meat on the bigger armed animal.
 
2012-11-28 01:14:51 PM  
Thank GOD correlation equals causation!!
 
2012-11-28 01:38:26 PM  

FishStampede: Correlation, causation, statisticals, etc.

But seriously...do liberals even argue for gun control anymore? It seems like conservatives are just screaming at a wall here, since I don't hear any liberals who have not personally been shot by a crazed gunman coming out against responsible gun ownership.

/member of my local Liberal Gun Club


In other threads liberal farkers are.

pacified: when you join a "WELL REGULATED MILITIA" you can have your farking gun assholes.

 
2012-11-28 01:52:15 PM  

Mikey1969: BeesNuts: Mikey1969: What I find interesting is that if there is a single attack in the US with a single death or injury, we get 3 weeks of debate about whether guns should be illegal.

Please sell me your time machine. I would like to go back to the early 90's where you have apparently been living for the last 15 years, uninterrupted.

By the way, welcome to the internet! It's a pretty cool place that doesn't afraid of anything. You'll get used to it. Pick up your complementary iPod Nano on the way out.

So in other words, you are dodging the point entirely. Hell, you could have saved the time it took you to post, and I would have known that I was right.

Thanks for supporting that assertion, though. I guess even you have a purpose in this planet.


No, I just reject your premise that every time there is a murder your right to bear arms is assaulted.

I call bullshiat. I can't turn on the news without hearing whether Justin Beiber should get married before he turns 25 or who won The Voice or why we need to ask questions about Benghazi or the latest disease scare (it's botulism from Prison Booze, btw).

When Jared Laughner shot Giffords in the head, in broad daylight, at a rally... the conversation was about the toxic political discourse and the availability of quality mental health facilities.

The most vocal conversation about gun rights I recall (apart from the Brady Campaign) came from the NRA and right wing 2nd amendment groups claiming, as you are, that SURELY this tragedy will be exploited by the liberals to try and push gun laws.

I'm less worried about how many guns we have or what kind they are than I am about who we allow to buy them. We take away felons right to farking VOTE in a couple of states. FOR LIFE. And nobody bats a farkin' eyelash. Talk about making sure there are ways for authorities to track gun sales, and to run some kind of background check on people looking to purchase a gun makes sense.

Banning "types" of firearms or munitions is dumb, counterproductive, and likely in direct opposition to the purpose of the second amendment.

Are there lefties who hang their hats on things like an AWB or handgun regulation? Sure. Always will be. But to imply it's some kind of pet issue for the left is just plain false. Right around the time the left rallied as the anti-war party they abandoned any need to play to the crunchier members of their coalition by calling for bans on guns.

I also don't hear anywhere near the same amount of noise about raw environmentalism as we did in the 90s. The libs recognize a pointless fight when they see one.

I guess, if I were to distill this down to a single point, it would be this:
I don't understand the need for vigilance on this topic. Nobody is assaulting anyone's right to bear arms. Making arguments like yours, or this articles, would be like me railing about the health benefits of kool-aid because I was worried that the health-nuts on capital hill were going to ban it.

All it accomplishes is make gun owners seem... paranoid. Which isn't a stigma you or ANY other gun owner want to deal with.
 
2012-11-28 02:04:38 PM  

0Icky0: Ishkur: Crime is a distinct metric dependent upon a number of factors, the most important being demographics (crime is predominantly caused by 18-24 males), culture, disparity of affluence, and simply reporting crime. But there is no correlation between firearms and crime.

Here in Hong Kong....
Nearly 7 million people, packed tightly together. Extremely stressful working environment.
And no guns.
We had 12 homicides last year.
Correlate that, gun-nuts.

/gun owner..when in the States...because Americans are crazy.


Income rate to cost of living ratio in hong kong?

% below poverty line in hong kong?

Avg education level in hong kong?

There are other questions too in order for a true comparison to the US.

/not a gun nut per se - pro responible ownership tho
 
2012-11-28 03:52:27 PM  

Mikey1969: The "best"? No, the quickest, you stupid fark. Besides," a few years ago" doesn't make a lick of difference in this conversation. As for 38,it's what I could remember off the top of my head. I believe it's a bit conservative, actually.


Which, once again, has fark-all to do with the original point of 7 million people and LAST year.

Go ahead, ignore that statistic. I realize it totally destroys your "argument". The hilarious thing is that you don't even realize the idiotic "38 sword deaths" among MILLIONS of people destroys your argument as well.

Keep going though. It's entertaining to watch you flail.
 
2012-11-28 04:13:41 PM  

LavenderWolf: Mikey1969: jaytkay: Mikey1969: Big deal, look at the rash of school attacks in China and couple of years ago, something like 38 kids murdered, no guns at all. All knives and one sword, I believe

Damn.

I mean we have weekly incidents in the US where guys kill their families.

But 38 in China? Has their economy recovered?

Yeah, because that was the point. You know what the point is, so I'm not going to re-state it.

No, you clearly don't understand.

There were FAR FEWER HOMICIDES. They didn't just find other ways. What the fark is wrong with your reading comprehension?


(You're assuming, of course, that the government of China is being 100% honest with their statistical reporting.)
 
2012-11-28 05:54:26 PM  
Which is why every other country with more strict gun laws than the US is a hive of blood-soaked violence and villainy.

Oh wait. Correlations are hard. And other countries aren't real.
 
2012-11-28 06:18:39 PM  

jaytkay: RINO: Probably because they are outright lies. Chicago's murder rate during the gun ban was an average of ~900 homicides a year. As I recall, Chicago and DC had the strictest gun control in the country, and had the worst crime rates across the board. Since their gun bans were thrown out, their crime rates have begun to fall more in line with the national average.

You know how I know you haven't bothered to look at the actual numbers?


Know how I know you are making shiat up as you go along?

Chicago Homicide Rates clearly shows homicide rates peaked under the strictist gun control laws.
 
2012-11-28 07:15:21 PM  

thomps: brap: Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah blah, you're a freedom fighter and Minuteman, just put me on ignore.

what power pop song is this from? is this big star?


Vintage Psy, from before he sold out.
 
2012-11-28 07:57:50 PM  

jso2897: As in Japan, our aging population has meant dropping crime rates - everywhere in the industrialized West. When the Boomers die, society will trend young again - and, guess what?


Generation X will be old, and Millennials will wonder what the f*ck is wrong with us?

Actually I think they already do, but they're the ones who are on our lawn. Also their music objectively sucks.
 
2012-11-28 07:59:41 PM  

jaerik: Which is why every other country with more strict gun laws than the US is a hive of blood-soaked violence and villainy.

Oh wait. Correlations are hard. And other countries aren't real.


Some of these places are.

/Jamaica.
/Somalia.
/Puerto Rico... Oh, wait!
//correlations are often inconvenient.
 
2012-11-28 10:54:01 PM  
Jesus, the syntax of that headline is Satan. Smite it, please.
 
2012-11-29 06:10:27 AM  

way south: jaerik: Which is why every other country with more strict gun laws than the US is a hive of blood-soaked violence and villainy.

Oh wait. Correlations are hard. And other countries aren't real.

Some of these places are.

/Jamaica.
/Somalia.
/Puerto Rico... Oh, wait!
//correlations are often inconvenient.


Were you born with that melon baller stuck in you brain?
 
2012-11-29 06:38:26 AM  
Guns don't kill people. Black people kill people
 
2012-11-29 08:44:46 AM  
A 73% Increase in gun ownership only nets a 26% drop in crime?

How disappointing. I'd hope for more return on investment...
 
2012-11-29 01:26:06 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: As a liberal I think it's high time we just walked away from this issue altogether. Conservatives are so driven by fear that we're going to take their guns away that they will oppose even the most common-sense regulation. I think the solution is to allow them to regulate or deregulate firearm ownership and operation to whatever degree they want. Only when they've gotten over their fear will they start to look around and realize things may have gotten a little out of hand and start considering rational regulation.


"Only when Conservatives have gotten over their fears will they give in to ours."

So when you talk about being "driven by fear" are you being intentionally ironic?
 
2012-11-29 05:43:53 PM  

robrr2003: "Only when Conservatives have gotten over their fears will they give in to ours."

So when you talk about being "driven by fear" are you being intentionally ironic?


I don't know the guy, but I could swear he wrote something about "rational regulation." In my opinion, that's pretty much what we have now. You have to admit, though, that the NRA doesn't seem to agree, at least publicly.
 
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