HaveBeerWillTravel: Yeah, sure, this SEEMS like a good idea, but we're gonna be up a creek when that phone-borne plague hits...
Wamphyr: I want fire that can be fitted nasally.
legendary: Well played subby/need a sandwich maker?
Any Pie Left: Can we sponsor Quantum to go up?
Bacontastesgood: But ultimately, it's a farking frozen desert wasteland where the very thin air is toxic. If you just want to live in an exotic bubble, It would be much much easier to build "Everest city", "Underwater city", "South Pole city", or "Active Volcano city"* than this, and the tourist payoff would be huge for relatively tiny transport costs. So, when those become economically feasible, I'll start to believe in 80,000 going to Mars.
way south: How's a guy sign up to be a henchman on his crew?
flaminio: Bacontastesgood: But ultimately, it's a farking frozen desert wasteland where the very thin air is toxic. If you just want to live in an exotic bubble, It would be much much easier to build "Everest city", "Underwater city", "South Pole city", or "Active Volcano city"* than this, and the tourist payoff would be huge for relatively tiny transport costs. So, when those become economically feasible, I'll start to believe in 80,000 going to Mars.Very true, but those cities you mentioned all have one fundamental problem: they're still on Earth. As long as we remain an Earthbound species, we are vulnerable to mass extinction. It may be an asteroid strike, nuclear accident, plague; whatever. The Earth is a single point of failure.Building a city on Mars will be very, very hard; but we used to do thing just because they were hard. Sending colonists also solves one of the big problems of going to Mars: how to get them back. When the answer is "you don't" then the task of getting one's ass to Mars becomes much easier.
XMark: I like how Elon's thinking, but there's no way that a mere $36 billion will cover the whole 80,000 people. $36 billion might not even cover the cost of the first manned flight to Mars.
Coelacanth: During the Bush administration, I had some friends in banquets & catering here in Las Vegas who told me about national 'Shining City in the Sky' meetings where conservatives discussed a seven year plan colonizing Mars they called 'The Rapture'. My flies on the wall also told me about the potential colonists' plans to push the Martian moons Deimos and Phobos out of orbit and drop them on the Earth to start tribulations.
MadMattressMack: A struggling colony some how getting not one, but two moons to have enough Delta V to break Martian orbit and traverse all the way back to Earth. A clandestine meeting that occurs in, of all possible secure locations available to the government, Las Vegas. An evil, diabolical plan of almost impossible scale calling for the destruction of the Earth being planned by people who are intelligent enough to pull it off yet use random help with no security checks to make sure they can keep their mouth shut. Said people leaving said planning information in view of said help. And somehow it's Bush's fault.
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