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2012-11-27 02:14:21 PM  
Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.
 
2012-11-27 02:17:02 PM  

seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.


Big fan of free double plays, I see.
 
2012-11-27 02:20:36 PM  
9. The Paul Bearer Rule: All urns or other receptacles which operate as sources of power for a particular player must be kept in the dug out. In 1995 an urn was melted down and turned into a necklace which gave a player an unfair advantage at the plate as their power source was on their person. Urn may be held high in the air, or over the dug out fence, in the case of a slump but the bearer of the urn must not ever step out beyond the threshold of of the dugout (I think we remember the 2001 play where the urn bearer interfered with the 2B). Ideally players requiring power urns would be able to preform without their source of the otherworldly power but we realize not everything can be changed over night.
 
2012-11-27 02:21:43 PM  

DeWayne Mann: seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.

Big fan of free double plays, I see.


OK fine. But they should make a rule where umps aren't allowed to fark up.
 
2012-11-27 02:23:45 PM  

seumasokelly: DeWayne Mann: seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.

Big fan of free double plays, I see.

OK fine. But they should make a rule where umps aren't allowed to fark up.


Oh good, this is going to be another "The ump should totally call the rule the way I think it should be called instead of the way it's written in the book" thread. I so love these.
 
2012-11-27 02:25:52 PM  

DeWayne Mann: seumasokelly: DeWayne Mann: seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.

Big fan of free double plays, I see.

OK fine. But they should make a rule where umps aren't allowed to fark up.

Oh good, this is going to be another "The ump should totally call the rule the way I think it should be called instead of the way it's written in the book" thread. I so love these.


Well, I was kidding because I'm not a dumbass, but OK.
 
2012-11-27 02:28:11 PM  

seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.


You are a Cards fan, aint ya?

For me. DH. Get rid of it.
 
2012-11-27 02:33:56 PM  

Saiga410: seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.

You are a Cards fan, aint ya?

For me. DH. Get rid of it.


I'm a Mariners fan and if I have to watch AL pitchers hit, I'll be more done with baseball than I am now after a decade if futility and shiatty ownership.
 
2012-11-27 02:36:46 PM  
The DH and the infield fly rule are abominations. I like the DH, though.
 
2012-11-27 02:38:57 PM  
6. The Carlos Beltran Rule. Electronic devices are banned from the dugout. So why is it okay for first-base coaches to be armed with stopwatches? The coaches monitor how long it takes for a pitcher to deliver the ball to the plate. They then pass along this information to the baserunner. The baserunner can then make a judgment as to his likelihood of successfully stealing a base -- based not on observation, instinct and deduction but on an electronic device. Beltran has been a master at using this information. Leave the stopwatches to the scouts in the stands. Get them out of the hands of first-base coaches.

I'm sure if there's demand for mechanical stopwatches, TAG Heuer will have them back in production in no time.
 
2012-11-27 02:39:42 PM  
I actually agree with most of these..
I'll break it down and simplify it for those that don't wanna wade through a tom Verducci "editor says I need a two-pager this week" article

1- Replay on foul balls - agree - in fact, MLB is strongly considering using HawkEye for foul balls
2- September callups - agree - in MLB your roster size can expand to 40 in September. This is silly. I've advocated what is said here for years (call up as many as you want in September, but you still have a fixed gameday roster of 25)
3- pitches that hit extraneous body armor should not be HBP - agree - Again, exactly what I've said for years
4 - first base running lane - agree - Get rid of it.
5- unlimited trips to the mound - somewhat disagree - I don't think there needs to be a hard rule in place, but I do think this is something the ump should be able to take charge of; that trips to the mound need to be granted by the ump, and if the ump feels that it's getting out of hand, simply deny it
6 - stopwatches in the dugout - indifferent - I see Verducci's point here, but at the same time I don't think it's big deal
7 - broken bat as interference - agree - This is just common sense and I'm baffled why this isn't already the rule
8 - (get rid of) outfield umps in the postseason - somewhat agree - will likely be a moot point with expanded replay and HawkEye. Ump union will fight it tooth and nail though
9 - make LCS best-of-five again - personally disagree - I see the argument from both a historical and "good of the game" standpoint, however, I like baseball. I like more of it. Were it up to me, the LDS would be best-of-seven, too.
 
2012-11-27 02:41:44 PM  

Dear Jerk: the infield fly rule are abominations


So many people love free double plays!

The Bestest: I actually agree with most of these..


Yeah, I went in expecting it to be really bad, and doubly so when I saw it was Verducci, but it was mostly just common sense and the rest was pretty meh.

/no one wants my list of 9 rules that need to be changed
 
2012-11-27 02:43:10 PM  
Get rid of the 50 warmup pitches relievers take. Most of em have been throwing in the bullpen for half an hour. And get rid of the DH. If you're gonna play, play.
 
2012-11-27 02:44:19 PM  

DeWayne Mann: /no one wants my list of 9 rules that need to be changed


well, now I'm curious
 
2012-11-27 02:47:16 PM  
Drop the DH.

Leave the rest alone. Except if an umpire calls a fair ball foul, in which case he should have his balls waxed with duct tape before the next pitch is thrown.
 
2012-11-27 02:48:57 PM  

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: /no one wants my list of 9 rules that need to be changed

well, now I'm curious


Well, I might be too lazy to come up with 9 right now, but it would definitely include errors, umpire interference, and chapter 10.
 
2012-11-27 02:51:31 PM  
The broken bat rule gets a pfft. Seriously, who cares? And that's coming from someone who cares a lot about some truly inane baseball stuff.
 
2012-11-27 02:54:36 PM  

seumasokelly: DeWayne Mann: seumasokelly: Get rid of the infield fly rule. If that's not on the list I can't see, it should be.

Big fan of free double plays, I see.

OK fine. But they should make a rule where umps aren't allowed to fark up.


They address that in the outfield ump proposal. The LF umps view of that play is drastically different than those in the infield. I think instead of eliminating the OF umps though, they should forbid them from making IF fly calls. The 4 umpires in the infield are perfectly capable of making that call.
 
2012-11-27 02:54:48 PM  

The Bestest: I actually agree with most of these..
I'll break it down and simplify it for those that don't wanna wade through a tom Verducci "editor says I need a two-pager this week" article

1- Replay on foul balls - agree - in fact, MLB is strongly considering using HawkEye for foul balls..


Why can't they expand replay to close plays at bases, especially first base, in addition to fair/foul balls? Any errors on calls should be easily overturned, and the correctable actions should be common-sense (i.e. there would be no question that two bases are awarded if a runner beats a throw to first). Really the only common-ish plays that I would still like to see judgement calls are calling pitches, balks, and infield fly.

\hate free double-plays
\\also hate DH
\\\Cards fan, but egregious call in Atlanta
\\\\they would have still been down by three
\\\\slashy
 
2012-11-27 02:55:42 PM  
to the anti-DH people:

www.drinkalot.com



to the anti-infield fly rule people: 

i580.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-27 02:58:01 PM  
If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.
 
2012-11-27 03:01:44 PM  

The Bestest: to the anti-DH people:

www.drinkalot.com


If they ever invent a machine where we can see alternate universes, I want to see the one where the NL told the AL to screw off in 1929 and adopted the DH anyway. Just because it'd be funny to see NL fans defending it and AL fans getting all frothymouthed.

Is frothymouthed a word? It is the the alternate universe.
 
2012-11-27 03:02:58 PM  

Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.


You want a 5 game wild card play in? "Win the division, then sit on your butts for a week!"

Not a great selling point.
 
2012-11-27 03:03:11 PM  
The best way to change the call up rule is this: allow the forty man roster if a team choses it. But to choose it they have to declare themselves out of the pennant races and can't play in the playoffs. If you think you can win a playoff spot you keep a 25 man roster.
 
2012-11-27 03:04:19 PM  

Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.


While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.
 
2012-11-27 03:05:23 PM  
10. Get rid of Velcro.
 
2012-11-27 03:06:34 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

You want a 5 game wild card play in? "Win the division, then sit on your butts for a week!"

Not a great selling point.


I can move to 3 but the 1 game is a nonstarter for me.

I would rather go with one wildcard or find a way to get 6 to 8 teams into each bracket.
 
2012-11-27 03:11:27 PM  

seumasokelly: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.


Or reseed the NBA playoffs once they start. 1 vs the 16 2 vs 15 etc regardless of east/west
 
2012-11-27 03:15:16 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: seumasokelly: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.

Or reseed the NBA playoffs once they start. 1 vs the 16 2 vs 15 etc regardless of east/west


Why?
 
2012-11-27 03:17:05 PM  

Saiga410: DeWayne Mann: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

You want a 5 game wild card play in? "Win the division, then sit on your butts for a week!"

Not a great selling point.

I can move to 3 but the 1 game is a nonstarter for me.

I would rather go with one wildcard or find a way to get 6 to 8 teams into each bracket.


OK change of heart, just go back to a 1 wildcard. To do the other would be entering into NBA level of "Really? You are going to allow half the teams into the postseason?"
 
2012-11-27 03:17:31 PM  
Why all the hate for the DH? The DH is used at every level of play across the country, from little league through college. The National League is the only place where the DH is not allowed. I would rather watch a game with DH's so that I don't automatically toon out when the pitcher comes up to bat. I don't care about the art of a double switch and I have yet to meet anyone under the age of 55 that does. I love the fact that Houston is going to the American League because of the DH. I am tired of watching professional ball players flail around like 8 year olds when someone more qualified is sitting on the bench. Besides baseball is a sport where a guy can play into his late 30's or early 40's as a DH and having a verteran presence on the bench can be a stabling influence on younger players.

/obviously I don't know if your specific little league or high school allows the DH, but it isn't a stretch to assume so
//the NL needs to join the 21st century, hell I'd settle for the 20th century
 
2012-11-27 03:40:23 PM  

Gunny Highway: Mid_mo_mad_man: seumasokelly: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.

Or reseed the NBA playoffs once they start. 1 vs the 16 2 vs 15 etc regardless of east/west

Why?


Ensure more balance in the semi finals and finals. Esp when they have a talent imbalance.
 
2012-11-27 03:46:12 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Gunny Highway: Mid_mo_mad_man: seumasokelly: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.

Or reseed the NBA playoffs once they start. 1 vs the 16 2 vs 15 etc regardless of east/west

Why?

Ensure more balance in the semi finals and finals. Esp when they have a talent imbalance.


Oh. There is been parody in the NBA in the last decade and I enjoy the rivalries. I can get on board with going back to a 5 game first round though.
 
2012-11-27 03:46:45 PM  
3. The Barry Bonds Rule. You want to wear body armor to gain an advantage over the pitcher? Fine, go ahead and wear a huge elbow guard that enables you to hang over the plate and disrespect inside fastballs that otherwise would move your feet. But you cannot take your base when a pitch hits a piece of your emboldening equipment, no more than if a pitch hit your bat. Any pitch that strikes a piece of body armor equipment simply is ruled a ball and the at-bat continues. No hit batter.

So let me get this straight. A player suffers an injury--say a right-handed player breaks bone in his left forearm--and after coming off the DL, decides to wear a protective piece to reduce the risk of further injury to that bone. The proposed rule change here would allow the pitcher to intentionally aim a 95 mph fastball at that broken bone, and if succeeds in nailing the guy in the arm, it's only a ball? I guess particularly for a player that nobody likes, even an intentional walk would take on a whole new excitement as compared to the usual "throw him four wide ones" tactic.

5. The Jorge Posada Rule. Name me any other sport that allows a team unlimited timeouts. That's what baseball does. A coach or manager is limited to the number of times he can visit the mound without having to remove the pitcher. But a catcher can visit the mound as often as he wishes, and if you watched Posada visit CC Sabathia in the 2009 World Series multiple times in the course of the same at-bat, especially with a runner on second base, you had to think there must be a limit to bringing the game to a dead stop time after time.

Actually, officially, doesn't the catcher has to ask the ump for time before running out to the mound? The ump already can say no, can't he?
 
2012-11-27 03:55:12 PM  
To the anti-infield fly rule people: Imagine this scenario. The infield fly rule no longer exists. The bases are loaded with nobody out. You are the runner on third base. The batter hits a short pop-up in fair territory, out in front of home plate. The catcher gets under it and is in a position where it looks like he can easily catch it.

Should you stay on third base? Explain why or why not.

Should you break for home? Explain why or why not.

I'd really like to hear your answer to this.
 
2012-11-27 03:56:30 PM  
The Barry Bonds Rule. You want to wear body armor to gain an advantage over the pitcher? Fine, go ahead and wear a huge elbow guard that enables you to hang over the plate and disrespect inside fastballs that otherwise would move your feet. But you cannot take your base when a pitch hits a piece of your emboldening equipment, no more than if a pitch hit your bat. Any pitch that strikes a piece of body armor equipment simply is ruled a ball and the at-bat continues. No hit batter.

If you treat the body armor similarly to a bat then hitting the guard should count for a hit/foul ball/caught strike.

Mehhh who cares about the body armor. I would love to see a change in the rules where guys cannot wear baggy shirts. I hat it when a batter claims a base when a dangling piece of cloth gets hit.
 
2012-11-27 03:58:26 PM  
Get rid of the infield shift, Joe Buck, the on-deck circle, chaw and the playoffs
 
2012-11-27 03:58:29 PM  

Gunny Highway: There is been parody in the NBA in the last decade


You can say that again.
 
2012-11-27 04:02:50 PM  

Cyberluddite: To the anti-infield fly rule people: Imagine this scenario. The infield fly rule no longer exists. The bases are loaded with nobody out. You are the runner on third base. The batter hits a short pop-up in fair territory, out in front of home plate. The catcher gets under it and is in a position where it looks like he can easily catch it.

Should you stay on third base? Explain why or why not.

Should you break for home? Explain why or why not.

I'd really like to hear your answer to this.


Hence, why the infield fly rule exists.
 
2012-11-27 04:04:18 PM  
5a - The Nomar Garciaparra rule: You want to step out of the batter's box to adjust your batting gloves and scratch your crotch? Fine - but do it more than once, and it's a called strike. Baseball games are long enough; we don't need to sit through your endless fidgeting waiting for you to get back in the box and foul off another slider.
 
2012-11-27 04:11:35 PM  

Gunny Highway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Gunny Highway: Mid_mo_mad_man: seumasokelly: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.

Or reseed the NBA playoffs once they start. 1 vs the 16 2 vs 15 etc regardless of east/west

Why?

Ensure more balance in the semi finals and finals. Esp when they have a talent imbalance.

Oh. There is been parody in the NBA in the last decade and I enjoy the rivalries. I can get on board with going back to a 5 game first round though.


That's a great typo.
 
2012-11-27 04:22:32 PM  
I still like going back to an eight-game World Series. If we tie, we're all winners!
 
2012-11-27 04:23:24 PM  

puckrock2000: 5a - The Nomar Garciaparra rule: You want to step out of the batter's box to adjust your batting gloves and scratch your crotch? Fine - but do it more than once, and it's a called strike. Baseball games are long enough; we don't need to sit through your endless fidgeting waiting for you to get back in the box and foul off another slider.


This could also be called the Ryan Braun rule. That guy is a human rain delay.
 
2012-11-27 04:23:32 PM  

seumasokelly: Gunny Highway: Mid_mo_mad_man: Gunny Highway: Mid_mo_mad_man: seumasokelly: Saiga410: If we are going to stick with the dualling wildcard, shorten the season to 150. Let the post season be 5, 5, 7, 7.

While we're at it, shorten the NBA postseason. Make it an 8-team playoff instead of 16. Leave the NFL schedule like it is - no 18-game BS, this ain't Canada.

Or reseed the NBA playoffs once they start. 1 vs the 16 2 vs 15 etc regardless of east/west

Why?

Ensure more balance in the semi finals and finals. Esp when they have a talent imbalance.

Oh. There is been parody in the NBA in the last decade and I enjoy the rivalries. I can get on board with going back to a 5 game first round though.

That's a great typo.


Wakka wakka. A genius I am not. Good day, sirs.
 
2012-11-27 04:26:06 PM  
If it's the top of the 8th inning, 2 outs, and the count is 2 balls and 1 strike, and there are runners on 1st and 3rd and the catcher drops a foul ball, the Cubs automatically win the World Series for that season and the rest of the season is played as exhibition games.
 
2012-11-27 04:57:57 PM  
Regular season games can end in a tie. 9 scheduled innings with up to 3 extra innings if needed.
 
2012-11-27 05:04:45 PM  

balfourk: Why all the hate for the DH?


Because, as my father so eloquently puts it, "It's kind of pussy that you can be a baseball player in the AL and not own a glove".

I personally wouldn't give a shiat if Jesus himself rode your mama's ass down from Mt. Sinai while parroting the same lines about the widespread adoption of the DH by amateur athletes - I still strongly oppose any efforts that would compartmentalize players into purely defensive or offensive roles. AL babbys and NFL interlopers can spare me the "waaaaah itttssss boooooring watching a pitcher bat" bellyaching - go huff some paint and watch wrestling, you ADD chodes.
 
2012-11-27 05:08:52 PM  

Crocodile Arms: balfourk: Why all the hate for the DH?

Because, as my father so eloquently puts it, "It's kind of pussy that you can be a baseball player in the AL and not own a glove".

I personally wouldn't give a shiat if Jesus himself rode your mama's ass down from Mt. Sinai while parroting the same lines about the widespread adoption of the DH by amateur athletes - I still strongly oppose any efforts that would compartmentalize players into purely defensive or offensive roles. AL babbys and NFL interlopers can spare me the "waaaaah itttssss boooooring watching a pitcher bat" bellyaching - go huff some paint and watch wrestling, you ADD chodes.


Well. At least you're entirely reasonable.
 
2012-11-27 05:10:43 PM  

tricycleracer: Hence, why the infield fly rule exists.


Yes, that's my point.

For those who don't understand it, without it, with the bases loaded (or runners on first and second) and less than two out, every infield pop-up potentially ends the inning, or at best results in the lead runners being called out. In the scenario I posed (bases loaded and nobody out, popup to catcher), it'll probably be a triple play:

If the runners go on contact, the catcher chooses to catch the ball (Out 1), fires it to 3B to double up the lead runner who left the base without tagging up (Out 2) , and the third baseman fires it to second or first for an out against the runner who strayed off that base without tagging up (Out 3).

If the runners stay on or close to their the bases (as every baseball player is taught to do--from the first day of Little League practice on--whenever there's a fly ball with less than two outs), the catcher intentionally lets the popup drop, picks it up and steps on home for a force play at the plate on the runner holding at third (Out 1), fires to 3B for a force on the runner holding at second (Out 2), who relays it to second for a force on the runner holding at first (Out 3).

Those of you who are against the infield fly rule are actually in favor of nearly-automatic double or triple plays on any infield popup with runners on first and second (or with the bases loaded) and less than two out. This is why the rule exists.
 
2012-11-27 05:15:55 PM  
I think the base runner should have the option of running towards first or third on a hit ball, if no men are on base.

dnrtfa
 
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