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(Daily Mail)   FTA - 'If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 478
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2012-11-27 02:45:11 PM  
This story is so fishy. How did he lure them into his house?
 
2012-11-27 02:58:27 PM  
In a criminal complaint, Smith said he was in the basement of his home when he heard a window breaking and footsteps. Fearful of other recent break-ins, he shot Schaeffel when he came into view.

When the teenager tumbled down the stars, Smith shot him in the face as he lay on the floor, looking up.
'I want him dead,' the complaint quoted Smith as telling an investigator.

He dragged the body into his workshop and then sat in the chair, the complaint said. When Kifer began walking down the stairs, he shot her and she fell down the stairs.

He tried to shoot her again with his rifle, but the gun jammed and Kifer laughed at him, the complaint noted.

'If you're trying to shoot somebody and they laugh at you, you go again,' Smith, 64, told investigators, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.

He then shot her several times in the chest with a .22-caliber revolver, dragged her next to her cousin, and with as she gasped for air, fired a shot under her chin 'up into the cranium'.

'Smith described it as "a good clean finishing shot",' according to the compliant, and acknowledged he had fired 'more shots than (he) needed to'.

Smith said he left the bodies in his home overnight before calling a neighbor to ask if he knew a good lawyer. He later asked the neighbour to contact police.
 

Oh yeah, just a guy protecting his home from dangerous invaders.
 
2012-11-27 02:59:00 PM  
10/10 for the Hero tag subby, that should definitely get some bites
 
2012-11-27 03:07:05 PM  
<i>He then shot her several times in the chest with a .22-caliber revolver, dragged her next to her cousin, and with as she gasped for air, fired a shot under her chin 'up into the cranium'.</i>
 
2012-11-27 03:16:58 PM  

Jackson Herring: He later asked the neighbour to contact police.


I've read from other sources that he did not actually ask the neighbor to contact the police; he asked the neighbor if he knew a good lawyer, and the neighbor, who'd heard shots from his house the night before, called the police.
 
2012-11-27 03:19:54 PM  

mahuika: Jackson Herring: He later asked the neighbour to contact police.

I've read from other sources that he did not actually ask the neighbor to contact the police; he asked the neighbor if he knew a good lawyer, and the neighbor, who'd heard shots from his house the night before, called the police.


He had such a tremendous boner from executing two teenagers that he couldn't even dial the phone for 24 hours after the deed. I mean he is the real victim here.
 
2012-11-27 03:22:40 PM  
"a good clean finishing shot"... nothing suspicious or calculated about this.
 
2012-11-27 03:22:50 PM  
This guy should go away for murder, because that is what he did, by his own admission. Case closed.
 
2012-11-27 03:23:48 PM  
Winnar!

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-11-27 03:24:17 PM  
Hmm, sounds like murder, especially putting a barrel to the person's head and putting another bullet in them after you'd already shot them in self defense.
 
2012-11-27 03:24:25 PM  
Wow, that is stomach churning. Did he have the right to shoot her? Sure. Did he have the right to shoot her, then shoot her more, then execute her? No. Send him to jail for the rest of his miserable days.
 
2012-11-27 03:24:46 PM  
Moral: Don't burgle the crazy.
 
2012-11-27 03:24:49 PM  
Id jam my gun in her.
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-11-27 03:26:20 PM  
Trolltastic category there, subby.

//Definitely not a hero. Just an angry old man - sorry, angry old murderer.
 
2012-11-27 03:27:09 PM  
This is quite the buzz around here. I made the comment to a friend that they look like good kids and she said it's not like the news is gonna put up pics of them boozing or mugshots. Then, when the media was interviewing friends of the kids, they all said they kids had problems with getting into trouble, but they didn't deserve THAT. I didn't even have to click the link, I knew exactly what the story was just by the headline, farking creepy.
 
2012-11-27 03:27:10 PM  

kvinesknows: Id jam my gun in her.
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Um, someone already did

/I don't think murder is something you can do "sloppy seconds" on.
 
2012-11-27 03:27:55 PM  
If you don't want to get shot in the head, don't break into a stranger's home. Fark those stupid kids. I wish he had brought them back to life then killed them both again.
 
2012-11-27 03:28:30 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: 10/10 for the Hero tag subby, that should definitely get some bites


^ Came because of this.. Have my popcorn ready
 
2012-11-27 03:28:39 PM  

kvinesknows: Id jam my gun in her.
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He should have just raped her after he shot her the first time. No need to go *overboard* and shot her up through the cranium, unless he was doing it with his penis, through her vagina, while her dying cousin watched him rape her before her death.
That was how it should have been done.

23/10
 
2012-11-27 03:28:45 PM  
Don't want to get shot and die, don't break into a former Embassy Security Agent, it's that simple.
 
2012-11-27 03:28:49 PM  
after 'they robbed his home on Thanksgiving'

There's your problem. Don't rob peoples houses and you won't get shot.
 
2012-11-27 03:29:43 PM  

kvinesknows: Id jam my gun in her.
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Necro, eh?
 
2012-11-27 03:30:12 PM  

LovingTeacher: kvinesknows: Id jam my gun in her.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]

Um, someone already did

/I don't think murder is something you can do "sloppy seconds" on.


I could try
 
2012-11-27 03:30:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: This story is so fishy. How did he lure them into his house?


Free candy. it sounded legit.
 
2012-11-27 03:30:47 PM  
Everything about this needs more investigation. Including his claim they were breaking in. According to nutbag, the following happened:

Male victim was shot and killed. Then female victim, apparently deaf since she didn't hear someone shooting the male follows male into house. Female gets shot and falls down the stairs, then laughs when the gun jams. Because laughing is totally what people who have just been shot are known for doing. I have a hard time buying ANY of that.

This freak's so crazy if he told me water was wet I'd go to the sink and check to be sure.
 
2012-11-27 03:31:01 PM  

Atomic Spunk: If you don't want to get shot in the head, don't break into a stranger's home. Fark those stupid kids. I wish he had brought them back to life then killed them both again.


oh my god you are so brave and your penis is so huge
 
2012-11-27 03:31:20 PM  
This could have all been avoided if the old man only shot them in the leg... or the kids didn't break into his house in the first place, probably the best way to avoid it all..
 
2012-11-27 03:31:26 PM  
Yeah what a hero.
 
2012-11-27 03:31:41 PM  
They shouldn't have broken into his house if they didn't want to get shot... wait, they were white?

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2012-11-27 03:32:29 PM  
If there's a thief in your house, you have every right to shoot them. They could be armed.

If you have someone gurgling blood and bleeding out at the foot of your stairs and you drag them into a chair and execute them, you're a psychopath who was hoping for such an opportunity.

I'm all for gun ownership rights but I think there's something to be said for valuing human life, even if you view criminals as sub-human. Cops don't execute downed criminals or handcuffed ones, what threat did they have to this guy? He had "won" the firefight, why the killing? Because they laughed at him so you "go again"? THESE are the kinds of people who make me wary of some gun owners, people who are looking for any excuse.

Again, I'm not defending thieves and these people were breaking into a house. But from the dude's perspective, tie them to a chair after you incapacitate them and call the cops (IMMEDIATELY). Maybe they bleed to death, and that's just how it plays out. But a bullet under the chin to a restrained and wounded person? This isn't Nam, there are rules.
 
2012-11-27 03:32:30 PM  
No guy likes a girl to laugh at his tiny gun.
 
2012-11-27 03:32:34 PM  
he told them he fired more shots than necessary after his gun jammed and Kifer laughed at him.

Well, there's your problem, if the robbers were polite we wouldn't be in this pickle now would we?
 
2012-11-27 03:32:37 PM  
Crazy old man vs. dumbshiat teenagers. All three removed from society and nothing of value was lost.
 
2012-11-27 03:32:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: Atomic Spunk: If you don't want to get shot in the head, don't break into a stranger's home. Fark those stupid kids. I wish he had brought them back to life then killed them both again.

oh my god you are so brave and your penis is so huge


Oh, excuse me, you're right. The fact that they broke into his home had absolutely nothing to do with them getting shot.
 
2012-11-27 03:32:50 PM  
I don't normally feel bad about douche kids getting recompense for criminal behavior but Jesus Christ, dude. He executed both of them.
 
2012-11-27 03:33:20 PM  
This guy is a cold-blooded murderer for killing people who had entered his home...but George Zimmerman was just standing his ground.

Fark you, Fark.
 
2012-11-27 03:33:52 PM  
Don't go shootin' anyone in the leg, there is a femoral artery there.
 
2012-11-27 03:34:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: This story is so fishy. How did he lure them into his house?


Then bragged about executing them using multiple weapons. Using his own confession it doesn't sound like any so-called "stand-your-ground" defense would work. He never mentions being afraid of physical harm, in fact he seems to acknowledge that revenge, not fear drove his actions. Something is really odd here and "breaking in to look for pills" seems fishy. Was he dealing/selling them and something went wrong?
 
2012-11-27 03:34:38 PM  
If you break into a house in a state that has a castle doctrine... You kinda had it coming...

I don't understand how killing someone with 1 bullet is worse than killing them with 15... What if I pray and spray and just happen to hit every time?
 
2012-11-27 03:34:51 PM  
As for the laughing it might have been panicked, "oh thank god I'm not going to die" laughter.
 
2012-11-27 03:34:56 PM  

signaljammer: Don't go shootin' anyone

 
2012-11-27 03:34:59 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: This story is so fishy. How did he lure them into his house?


FTA
She added that her cousin, who had undergone treatment for substance abuse, could have been after pills from the home.


He used the old prescription medicine ruse to lure them to his house.

But seriously, they were burglarizing his house and he had the right to shoot them, but once they weren't any danger to him anymore, he didn't have the right to execute them, and that is what he did, execute them.

Also, why in the hell would the girl go down the stirs after her cousin got shot? Didn't she hear the gun shots and hear him fall? Was she that much of a dope fiend that she had to get those pills?
 
2012-11-27 03:35:15 PM  
Sounds like strait up murder to me, not home defense.

/breaking into strangers homes is bad for reasons such as these.
/altho something's telling me this wasn't a break in.
 
2012-11-27 03:35:31 PM  
Romerovoice: If you break into a house in the United States, expect to get shot.

Seriously, people are sorry for the shiatty kids? While I wouldn't execute unarmed teenagers for breaking into my house, that is simply because I am a nice guy.

Solution: Teach your kids not to farking burglarize angry old men.
 
2012-11-27 03:35:59 PM  

Atomic Spunk: Jackson Herring: Atomic Spunk: If you don't want to get shot in the head, don't break into a stranger's home. Fark those stupid kids. I wish he had brought them back to life then killed them both again.

oh my god you are so brave and your penis is so huge

Oh, excuse me, you're right. The fact that they broke into his home had absolutely nothing to do with them getting shot.


no you are totally right, in fact he should maybe have tortured them a little more before he shot them, maybe raped them at gunpoint
 
2012-11-27 03:36:08 PM  

kvinesknows: LovingTeacher: kvinesknows: Id jam my gun in her.
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Um, someone already did

/I don't think murder is something you can do "sloppy seconds" on.

I could try


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2012-11-27 03:36:18 PM  

thebpem: Don't want to get shot and die, don't break into a former Embassy Security Agent, it's that simple.


Agreed. The guy does have a lifetime of training in quickly eliminating threats. No surprise if he went into auto-pilot and way overreacted.
 
2012-11-27 03:36:38 PM  

syberpud: Something is really odd here and "breaking in to look for pills" seems fishy.


why? that's one of the most common reasons for break-ins, stealing pills or stealing money for pills.
 
2012-11-27 03:36:42 PM  
I bet they won't be committing any more burglaries.

Bad idea to break into a sociopath's house.

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2012-11-27 03:37:33 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: This guy is a cold-blooded murderer for killing people who had entered his home...but George Zimmerman was just standing his ground.

>
You finally got it.....Way to go DROx
/whew...now let's work on OJ.

 
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