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(Yahoo)   After hours of research, chefs across the United States have agreed to a solution to the "Frankenfish" invasion. What's that you say? It is to eat them   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 100
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2012-11-27 02:51:07 PM  

Magorn: dittybopper: Wrong answer. That's treating them like a game fish.

The correct answer is to put a bounty on their heads, one lucrative enough that it's economically attractive to kill them, with no limit on what a person can earn. *THEN* you will get rid of them.

The British tired that in India to rid itself of a cobra problem. It led to an increase in the overall cobra population as people began to breed them to cash in on the bounties


Simple solution: Figure out how much it costs to raise a fish to X inches in length and set the bounty at roughly that. No incentive to breed them, because at best you'll break even.
 
2012-11-27 02:53:16 PM  
That headline was like watching someone stumble and start to fall, but then catch themselves, and just before they get upright stumble again and finally hit the floor

/what's that you say?
 
2012-11-27 02:55:44 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: My suggestion: start a rumor in China that ground Frankenfish liver will make your penis (or some other small organ) larger and cure erectile dysfunction.


This also works.
 
2012-11-27 03:00:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: Who wants ceviche?.

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Over here please.

/I'll try anything once.
 
2012-11-27 03:04:03 PM  

wildcardjack: dittybopper: Wrong answer. That's treating them like a game fish.

The correct answer is to put a bounty on their heads, one lucrative enough that it's economically attractive to kill them, with no limit on what a person can earn. *THEN* you will get privately owned breeding tanks of them.

FTFY.

Paul Doumer, an official in French Indo-China (modern Vietnam) set out to get the rats out of the sewer by paying crews by the tail. In the begining they were pulling a thousand tails a day, in a few month they were pulling forty thousand a day. Because he was incentivizing the people to breed rats for their tails.

If he'd figured out a way to get the people to eat more of them all would have worked. Jobs are created by consumption. If wild harvested snakeheads are demanded in increasing quantities by restaurants you have a market that sets the price. IF you have an UNLIMITED demand established by the government with no care about the quality of the meat then you risk incentivizing a private breeding program.


You can deal with that by setting the proper bounty.

If you set the bounty to roughly how much it costs to raise a snakehead, or slightly lower, then there is no incentive to breed them, because you won't make any money that way.
 
2012-11-27 03:06:03 PM  

Amberwind: CygnusDarius: Who wants ceviche?.

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Over here please.

/I'll try anything once.


It's pickled sushi.
Try it.
 
2012-11-27 03:06:35 PM  

oldfarthenry: Eat the problem? Geesh, 'merikuh! That's your answer to EVERYTHING!


When's the last time we had a pussyfish problem?
 
2012-11-27 03:08:28 PM  

realmojo: [www.wrongwroks.com image 504x378]


/tiny fist etc.
 
2012-11-27 03:13:05 PM  

vudukungfu: Amberwind: CygnusDarius: Who wants ceviche?.

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Over here please.

/I'll try anything once.

It's pickled sushi.
Try it.


The bad thing of posting in food threads is the hunger.

/I'll leave home soon tho
 
2012-11-27 03:15:56 PM  

Snarfangel: I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: My suggestion: start a rumor in China that ground Frankenfish liver will make your penis (or some other small organ) larger and cure erectile dysfunction.

This also works.


Win.
 
2012-11-27 03:20:17 PM  
The reason why areas in Asia, Africa and South America don't have evasive species is because they eat them. They eat all animals. Americans won't eat anything unless it is MacDonalds.
 
2012-11-27 03:20:45 PM  
Can these fish be canned?????

Cause tuna's gotten way too farking expensive!

Can it replace canned tuna in recipes?

If so, drop the price way down and can those snakeheads! Cheap source of tasty protein? Oh yeah!

What about salsa? Snakehead salsa made up like shrimp salsa. Yummmmmmmmmmmm . . .

Fish tacos? Any of the Mexican fish recipes should serve up snakehead nicely!

Also, allow them to be fished without a fishing license - any time of year - and just turn all the hungry, jobless people loose!
 
2012-11-27 03:20:58 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: My suggestion: start a rumor in China that ground Frankenfish liver (or some other small organ) will make your penis larger and cure erectile dysfunction.


CSB
That seems to be the prevailing wisdom on how they came to the US in the first place. Snakehead soup is supposed to be good for the constitution and help one to recover from illness/surgery quicker; as a result some enterprising snakehead oil salesman decided to start breeding them on his own, but forgot to cover his tanks one night and a few of the suckers literally walked off and into the local ponds and waterways.
/CSB
Eating them would seem to be a better solution to me at least.
 
2012-11-27 03:34:46 PM  
I'm only hoping this delicious invasive species populates a little faster I'm hungry!

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2012-11-27 03:36:30 PM  

fireclown: Just fish for 'em. When I see a snakehead, I see a northern pike. Which is a sport fish worth seeking out. And with snakeheads there is no size minimum and no creel limit.


But the habitats are completely different with the snakehead found in shallow water, stagnate water or slow moving riviers...typically not NP territory.
 
2012-11-27 03:41:44 PM  

WorthNoting: Can these fish be canned?????

Cause tuna's gotten way too farking expensive!

Can it replace canned tuna in recipes?

If so, drop the price way down and can those snakeheads! Cheap source of tasty protein? Oh yeah!

What about salsa? Snakehead salsa made up like shrimp salsa. Yummmmmmmmmmmm . . .

Fish tacos? Any of the Mexican fish recipes should serve up snakehead nicely!

Also, allow them to be fished without a fishing license - any time of year - and just turn all the hungry, jobless people loose!


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2012-11-27 03:45:47 PM  
I live in Central Wisconsin and I often hear people proudly claiming that they caught and killed a Snakehead.

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2012-11-27 03:49:22 PM  
Snakehead, snakehead
Rollypolly snakehead
snakehead, shakehead
Eat them up, yum!
 
2012-11-27 03:53:14 PM  
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2012-11-27 04:00:59 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: unyon: If they really want to make a dent, they need to rename them. Even using Channa argus is an upgrade over Snakehead.

Asian whitefish ought to do nicely.

why not just Whitesnake Fish?


There you go again on your own.
 
2012-11-27 04:09:50 PM  
Here in the Sacramento area we have these things we call "Mitten Crabs". They have fuzzy claws, but otherwise they are just normal crabs to me. At least they taste like normal ol' snow crabs. They're also an invasive species (I think they're Asian as well) so it is illegal to transport them, but not illegal to catch and eat them. When I first heard of these, my chubby butt thought "free food! yay!!". You may as well have put me in front of a buffet prepared by a team consisting of Paula Deen, Wolfgang Puck and Bobby Flay with Daisy Martinez for backup, because I sat by the American river every chance I got for months, having my sister catch them for me. Then we'd simply drop them in a pot of boiling water in our illegal fire there on the beach (or what passes for a beach here) and nosh. I'd bring sides, butter, sneak some booze in there - it was party time, baby! Once, when a park ranger caught us doing that just outside Discovery park and found out we were cooking and eating the mitten crabs, he didn't even write us a warning about the fire and booze. I guess they hate those things with a passion. I think they're tasty.

Hmmm. I think it's time for my sister to go get us some more mitten crabs, break a law or two and bring them home instead of us slumming it up by the river attracting homeless people (who I always pity and feed). I'm pondering a pomegranate sauce preparation.

/dangerous, chef type person
//scary!!
 
2012-11-27 04:20:30 PM  
illegal fish entering our river borders .Doing the breeding our fish are to lazy to do.
 
2012-11-27 04:20:50 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Yeah, i saw this movie already.
 
2012-11-27 04:21:53 PM  

dittybopper: If you set the bounty to roughly how much it costs to raise a snakehead, or slightly lower, then there is no incentive to breed them, because you won't make any money that way.


So first you propose to learn how to raise them on a criminal's budget in order to figure out where to set the bounty?

You'd be better off paying for magazines to print recipes and holding workshops (or something like that) to teach chefs how to work with the new fish.

This is a case where government should not become the consumer but to encourage consumption by the market.
 
2012-11-27 04:31:08 PM  
Frankenfish? Are they saying that this fish is trying to reanimate tissue from other dead fish?
 
2012-11-27 04:33:28 PM  

mynamebackwards: farm4.staticflickr.com


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2012-11-27 04:35:34 PM  

stu1-1: I live in Central Wisconsin and I often hear people proudly claiming that they caught and killed a Snakehead.

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How stupid do you have to be to not be able to tell those apart?
 
2012-11-27 04:59:21 PM  
I friggin' love ceviche!

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2012-11-27 05:00:52 PM  

willfullyobscure: because pigs, chickens, ducks and cows have all been decimated by human consumption.


See the American bison far a better example.
 
2012-11-27 05:06:07 PM  

Prevailing Wind: As was my family's practice at the time, we ate the shiat of it.


Have you tried eating any of the meat?
 
2012-11-27 05:15:46 PM  

Pair-o-Dice: pkellmey: I believe we should eat all invaders. It's the only solution.

Mexicans too?


Let's eat.

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/hot and spicy
 
2012-11-27 05:23:31 PM  

WeenerGord: Prevailing Wind: As was my family's practice at the time, we ate the shiat of it.

Have you tried eating any of the meat?


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2012-11-27 05:40:00 PM  

Ronin_S: stu1-1: I live in Central Wisconsin and I often hear people proudly claiming that they caught and killed a Snakehead.

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How stupid do you have to be to not be able to tell those apart?


Stupid enough to live in Wisconsin. 
Seriously, Bowfins are not often encountered, and look strange enough to be mistaken for an exotic invasive species.
 
2012-11-27 05:50:56 PM  
Substitute Snake Head for Pike in Gifilte fish.
 
2012-11-27 06:46:35 PM  

El Dudereno: willfullyobscure: because pigs, chickens, ducks and cows have all been decimated by human consumption.

See the American bison far a better example.


Actually, that's a rather poor one, since the bison was not an invasive species, rather, it was the native species that nearly got wiped out by being displaced by the invasive domestic cow. The message here is that if snakeheads become too good eatin', folks may prefer to have them around than the native fish species.
 
2012-11-27 06:50:36 PM  
How about Potomac River Bass?
 
2012-11-27 07:03:02 PM  

CygnusDarius: Who wants ceviche?.

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DAMN that looks good! Used to live above a restaurant that had ceviche on the happy hour menu. That was nice...
 
2012-11-27 07:16:43 PM  

Millennium: This is Fark; aren't we supposed to call them the walking Chinese death fish over here?


Yes. Yes we are.
 
2012-11-27 07:59:51 PM  
You've got two problems with that idea.

The first is, simple -- like with lakes in certain states overrun by Crayfish, tossed in as leftover bait by fishermen. After the buggers nearly wiped out everything else in the lakes, folks started harvesting and eating them. Soon, a demand for the tasty critters developed. Shortly, folks started making money off catching and selling the 'invaders' and others by cooking up and selling the 'mudbugs'.

The second is obvious: once established as a source of income, locals weren't all that crazy about getting the things out of their lakes to the point of eradication.

Snakeheads actually managed to gain a foothold through Asian immigrants smuggling in the fish, which is considered a delicacy in their countries. To keep them fresh and encourage a cheaper supply, some started putting them in local lakes -- with the inevitable results.

I read articles some time back about Snakehead smuggling.

Here in Florida, as a kid, hunters nearly eliminated the deadly alligators. You didn't have to carefully check every body of water before going swimming and small pets didn't vanish around salvage ponds. Conservationists stepped in, but had a rough time of it until some enterprising fellows came up with a workable formula to profit off the 'gator's valuable hide, tail meat and assorted other parts.

Harvest, protect and release.

Major 'gator farms popped up, harvesting the eggs, raising gators and releasing a percentage back into the wilds when they reached a mature size. That worked. Gators, having brains the size of a walnut, tend to eat their young which stray too close. By releasing them after they've grown to a certain size, they tend to not get eaten by their cousins.

The farms make major bucks. The Conservationists are happy and Florida is once again infested with the toothy, deadly critters. Now you think twice before jumping into a body of water and nearly every golf course has a gator or two inhabiting a water trap.

Now, due to incredible human stupidity, Florida is becoming infested with possibly even deadlier invaders: Boa Constrictors and Anacondas. Washed out of a breeding containment by a hurricane near the Everglades, dumped in every swamp by owners who shouldn't have had them in the first place when they got too big and imported by moronic pet stores, they're spreading. Fast.

So far, no one has developed a commercial interest in the meat nor hides, so eradication efforts are not working all that well. These puppies get large enough to kill gators. I suppose when they start infringing on the gator farm profits, an effective way to remove them will be found. Like a major bounty.

The potential for kids to get killed and devoured by them is increasing.

Now, in the Florida swamps, if the gators don't get you, the huge snakes just might.

Have I mentioned the Iguana's? These cute little lizards aren't that dangerous, but they can grow to the size of a dog, wolf down endangered birds, breed fast and inflict painful bites. Small pets are on the menu also. Due to owners releasing them into the wilds, they've spread rapidly.

I caught a small one in a neighbors yard awhile back and turned it into the local animal shelter.

Now, I keep waiting for the Snakeheads to show up in the extensive fresh water system of Florida. We have a shiat-load of lakes.

Oh, yeah. Tourists have decided that the Everglades is now the dumping place for unwanted dogs, so not only do we have packs wandering about, rangers are working hard to rescue them but the small dogs usually soon fall prey to gators, anaconda's, boa constrictors, bobcats and the Florida Panther.

The tourists think they're being 'kind', releasing the pups into the wild instead of an animal shelter. In actuality, it'd be more merciful to shoot them. Domesticated dogs do not do well in Florida swamps unless they're the size and temperament of a Rotweiller or Doberman. Even then, they don't do that good.

Florida has it's own tag thanks to all of the out of state morons pouring into the place.
 
2012-11-27 08:49:42 PM  
Evolutionists? Creationists? What y'all have to say about a fish that can breathe out of water three days, has teeth, and has a reptile snout?
 
2012-11-28 06:16:11 AM  
Bison were wiped out by the invasive domestic cow?
I thought bison were wiped out by white people shooting them from trains to deprive plains native americans of their traditional lifestyle and force them onto reservations.

And florida has its own fark tag due to out of staters ruining the place? Doubtful. I think floridians do a pretty good job of being crazy on their own. Maybe it's something in the water?
 
2012-11-28 07:18:58 AM  

wildcardjack: dittybopper: If you set the bounty to roughly how much it costs to raise a snakehead, or slightly lower, then there is no incentive to breed them, because you won't make any money that way.

So first you propose to learn how to raise them on a criminal's budget in order to figure out where to set the bounty?


It's not that difficult to figure out that a fish of X species needs Y amount of food to get to breeding size. It's simple math, really. Plus, you'd have to keep them in some sort of a pool or other large water tank, and that's going to cost money to run. I'm betting that something like a $5 bounty per mature fish would be enough incentive for people to go after them, and still be low enough that raising them wouldn't be economically viable.

Also, if you make it illegal to raise those fish, you make it much less attractive from a criminal perspective. They have to run a significant risk to make what, a dollar profit per fish? It would be more lucrative and probably less likely to get caught by the authorities selling weed instead. Don't forget that when your *ONLY* customer is also the agency that can arrest you for breeding them, you run an awful risk being so bold, and again, for not much profit.
 
2012-11-28 08:12:02 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: WeenerGord: Prevailing Wind: As was my family's practice at the time, we ate the shiat of it.

Have you tried eating any of the meat?

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Agreed. That was winnar winnar, non-fecal dinnar.
 
2012-11-28 08:32:59 AM  
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2012-11-28 09:32:00 AM  

proteon: Chef suggest we eat them? That's incredible.


After hours of research, carpenters across America agree the solution to the Frankenfish problem involves hammering them to death.
 
2012-11-28 09:52:57 AM  

Snarfangel: proteon: Chef suggest we eat them? That's incredible.

After hours of research, carpenters across America agree the solution to the Frankenfish problem involves hammering them to death.


...and lumberjacks determine the solution would be to cut them up...
 
2012-11-28 08:26:32 PM  

Pinner: [msnbcmedia3.msn.com image 459x319] 

hot. like the grill it belongs on.


Has a kinda bowfin look to it...
 
2012-11-28 08:43:25 PM  
And..that is what I get for not reading the entire thread! Although, if you look at the two fish, the bowfin, which has a similiar fin config, also has a gullar plate..that is to say, if ya flip it over, it has a boney plate in it's throat area..Amia calva..the only rep of it's order? Still living. Very prehistoric looking. This new fish has a more pike-like snout and vomerine teeth..at least it looks like it...bowfin are just blunter looking. I have seen/caught one in field school..Franz Stone Lab! It jumped out of the tank and died..:( best summer I ever met, even though I was sick as a dog..fish..
 
2012-11-29 10:08:49 AM  

illannoyin: I'm only hoping this delicious invasive species populates a little faster I'm hungry!

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Yeah, it's ugly as hell. If I remember correctly, it was some sort of tiger shrimp? Not sure and a little too lazy to look it up right now.
 
2012-11-29 10:11:43 AM  

SirTanon: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x316]

Yeah, i saw this movie already.


SirTanon: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x316]

Yeah, i saw this movie already.


Seen parts of it, but the look of the monster is enough to haunt me in my dreams.
 
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