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(Huffington Post)   The number of underage sex allegations against the Elmo puppeteer are rising, may soon need The Count to keep track of them   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 177
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2012-11-27 04:36:42 PM

ObscureNameHere: "Da Count? He stole my act! Bastard is not even Romanian!"

/obscure


Greg The Bunny?
 
2012-11-27 04:49:20 PM

JackieRabbit: syberpud: They smell blood in the water. Elmo is a cash cow (toys, books, he's King of all Children's Media) so here's a chance to get some sweet settlement to keep moms and dads buying Elmo products for their kids.

They (the accusers) know PBS/Sesame Workshop would rather settle a (potentially) false lawsuit than have a public fight about it.

I agree that these allegations are probably fake. But Sesame Workshop cannot and should not take responsibility for an employee's private actions. The accusers may go after them, but their lawyers need only say: fark off.

So far all three of these alleged underage gays say met Clash in a gay chatroom. If they were underage and hanging out in chatrooms, they knew what the deal was. To come back 12 years later and make accusations is ridiculous. No judge should even hear their cases; they should be summarily dismissed.


what is the limitations on raping kids?
 
2012-11-27 04:54:43 PM
Call me when there's a trial. Or even an arrest.

So far, there's nothing. We've had one settlement, in which the alleged victim recanted his story, took the money, and then claimed his recanting was under pressure, and two more alleged victims. No arrest. No trial.

If we've had three alleged victims step forward amid claims of statutory rape, why hasn't the puppeteer been arrested yet?
 
2012-11-27 04:55:22 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Anyone good at Photoshop wanna put Mr. Noodle in a gimp costume?

I always felt he was some sort of imprisoned sex slave, now I realize I am not such a sick fark but cautious and aware.

/therapy never did a damn thing.


I always thought that Elmo, like Ernie, has reality bending powers and had imprisoned Mr. Noodle in a pocket universe, then tortures him psychologically for his pleasure.

/Why are you looking at me like that...
 
2012-11-27 05:02:44 PM

Waldo Pepper: what is the limitations on raping kids?


My guess: none.
So he's going to jail, right? For 'raping' 'kids'?
 
2012-11-27 05:05:59 PM
Old knee jerk reaction: He's gay, so he must be a paedophile! Keep the children away!
Modern knee jerk reaction: He's gay, so he can't be a paedophile! Shun those greedy liars!

The truth? Good question, one that the courts must decide.

Ephebophilia is still sexual predation, people. (No matter how many creepy bastards here on Fark want to bang teens; it's still wrong in every sense.) Forget the "almost the age of consent" nonsense for a moment and remember that he was more than twice the age of the individuals he has admitted to sleeping with. We're not talking about a freshly turned 18 year old sleeping with an almost 17 year old, but a man who had four decades to his name sleeping with 16-18 year olds. That there is predatory behavior: the older and experienced preying on the weak and inexperienced.

Anyone who has achieved a grown up, adult mind and is being honest with themselves can appreciate that decisions made about sex in the late teens were anything but mature, responsible and well-thought out. For an older man to target that age group for sex...that's just messed up.
 
2012-11-27 05:06:15 PM
Wenatchee day care center trials anyone?

Short version
 
2012-11-27 05:06:38 PM
Yeah, Clash did something incredibly stupid, and of questionable moral and ethical judgement. You are a gay adult, take responsibility for yourself and go meet other gay adults.

I wonder what will happen to Elmo. If they can find someone to replace his voice, or will the character disappear. They could digitally recreate his voice with the hundreds of thousands of samples they have.
 
2012-11-27 05:08:39 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Old knee jerk reaction: He's gay, so he must be a paedophile! Keep the children away!
Modern knee jerk reaction: He's gay, so he can't be a paedophile! Shun those greedy liars!

The truth? Good question, one that the courts must decide.

Ephebophilia is still sexual predation, people. (No matter how many creepy bastards here on Fark want to bang teens; it's still wrong in every sense.) Forget the "almost the age of consent" nonsense for a moment and remember that he was more than twice the age of the individuals he has admitted to sleeping with. We're not talking about a freshly turned 18 year old sleeping with an almost 17 year old, but a man who had four decades to his name sleeping with 16-18 year olds. That there is predatory behavior: the older and experienced preying on the weak and inexperienced.

Anyone who has achieved a grown up, adult mind and is being honest with themselves can appreciate that decisions made about sex in the late teens were anything but mature, responsible and well-thought out. For an older man to target that age group for sex...that's just messed up.


^^^^^This.^^^^^

Also, "men" can't be raped or sexually assaulted is a myth that plays into this attitude.
 
2012-11-27 05:11:12 PM

iaazathot: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Old knee jerk reaction: He's gay, so he must be a paedophile! Keep the children away!
Modern knee jerk reaction: He's gay, so he can't be a paedophile! Shun those greedy liars!

The truth? Good question, one that the courts must decide.

Ephebophilia is still sexual predation, people. (No matter how many creepy bastards here on Fark want to bang teens; it's still wrong in every sense.) Forget the "almost the age of consent" nonsense for a moment and remember that he was more than twice the age of the individuals he has admitted to sleeping with. We're not talking about a freshly turned 18 year old sleeping with an almost 17 year old, but a man who had four decades to his name sleeping with 16-18 year olds. That there is predatory behavior: the older and experienced preying on the weak and inexperienced.

Anyone who has achieved a grown up, adult mind and is being honest with themselves can appreciate that decisions made about sex in the late teens were anything but mature, responsible and well-thought out. For an older man to target that age group for sex...that's just messed up.

^^^^^This.^^^^^

Also, "men" can't be raped or sexually assaulted is a myth that plays into this attitude.


So, abolish age of consent and make the official age of true adulthood which applies to everything 21?
 
2012-11-27 05:29:29 PM

Highroller48: I'm not defending criminal activity, but it's interesting to note that 16-year-olds wont get you into trouble in some surprising countries.

In Canada, for example, so long as you're not in a position of authority or trust over the person, 16 is the legal age of consent. Doesn't excuse any lawbreaking that may have occurred, here, but it opens the door to discussions about when a person's physchological abiity for intelligent "consent" really kicks in. I'd lean towards later, rather than earier.


18's only the age of consent for arranging hookups across state lines in the US, Statutory rape and exploitation of a minor are in themselves matters of state law, and in most states the age of consent is 16 or 17. I believe in the state in question it's 17.
 
2012-11-27 05:40:30 PM

douchebag/hater: Farking allah, you're a moron.Romney said NO such thing, only that the company that owns Sesame Street was getting millions in unneeded funding from the government.


No, he said that he wants to take the money away from the public broadcaster used to buy the rights to show Sesame Street. There is quite a significant difference.
 
2012-11-27 05:44:03 PM
LOL Subby!

/HLOTY candidate?
 
2012-11-27 05:51:03 PM

Son of Thunder: Ranger677: I don't. And maybe not every time (although there should be). But getting back to this case, why are the cops not involved? They should at least be looking into it since it went public, but I have not seen ANY mention of them at all.

And, as we all know, if YOU don't see it, it doesn't exist.


OK, then maybe you can point out an article where it mentions the police are investigating?
 
2012-11-27 06:11:59 PM
What a piece of Human Trash this farking Clash is...

Using a stupid Puppet beloved by children as a trojan horse to molest and/or try to fark them.

Why can't kids be kids without some adults trying to lure them into having sex with them. Leave the goddamn kids alone, perverts
 
2012-11-27 06:12:01 PM

moothemagiccow: Not sex - random casual sex, promiscuity


In other words: sex.

You're not changing the definition of those three letters here, you're just adding adjectives, adjectives are nearly always a matter of perspective. There is no empirically sound formula for deciding when a person's sex life is worthy of the term "promiscuity". I'm pretty certain it isn't hard to find hundreds, if not thousands of public figures who have had way more sex partners in the same amount of time. Some indeed do suffer scrutiny as a result of it. Many- in particular many celebrities- are talked about for a short bit, then dismissed. This behavior is apparently expected for those people. It's a damned double-standard, and it's not hard to see how that comes about.

Random?

Even Sheldon Stevens' first story claimed he was with Clash for seven years. Granted, that figure in no small part hinges on whether or not Clash did indeed have sex with Stevens when he was sixteen, but even if you shorten it a couple years to account for the possibility that it's a damn dirty lie, you still have a period of time that's more stable than most heterosexual marriages. "Random" isn't the word I'd choose to describe this. It sounds pretty damn deliberate.

Casual?

Have you ever had "Formal Sex"? No? How about Doctrinal Sex? Canon Sex? None of those? I think it's safe to say "naked and heaving on another human being" is about as casual as it gets.

Mind you, I don't know, nor care if these allegations are true or not, but the distinctions you're desperately trying to draw here are utterly hilarious in their inadequacies.
 
2012-11-27 06:47:14 PM

Joe Blowme: Whar all the fark defenders??!
at least all you have on your face is egg, better than what these poor children had.


If he had the presence of mind to fark all these poor widdle 16 year-olds in the UK, nobody would be giving a shiat now.

/give me an underage sex scandal I can care about
 
2012-11-27 07:21:24 PM

vermicious k'nid:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x349]

Please note the dark blue areas where they also think that a 16 yr old can consent to sex.

Then shove your head back up your arse so you don't have to think about yucky ghey sex anymore. 
/know how I know you're a redneck jackass?


Man Knows Unsettling Amount About Nationwide Age-Of-Consent Laws
JANUARY 24, 2001 | ISSUE 48•15 ISSUE 37•02 | MORE NEWS IN BRIEF


HAGERSTOWN, MD-During a conversation at work last Friday, drill-press operator Pete Cromartie revealed a disturbing familiarity with various states' age-of-consent laws. "I mentioned to Pete that I'd be visiting family in Pennsylvania over the weekend, and he says, 'You oughta pick up some chicks there, 'cause they only gotta be 16,'" coworker Geoff Richardson said. "Then he says, 'South Carolina's the best: 15.' I mean, that's seriously creepy." Richardson said he later heard Cromartie talk about a bill pending in the Hawaii legislature that would lower the state's age of consent to 13.
 
2012-11-27 08:06:09 PM
From TFA:

Today's sex allegation is brought to you by the number three.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, can we at least agree that this is in farking bad taste?

Stay classy, HuffPo...
 
2012-11-27 08:11:01 PM

Mouser: From TFA:

Today's sex allegation is brought to you by the number three.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, can we at least agree that this is in farking bad taste?

Stay classy, HuffPo...


Yeah... they left out where it was also sponsored by the letters K and Y.

seriously, if you're not going to recognize your sponsors properly...
 
2012-11-27 09:42:24 PM

Primitive Screwhead: ObscureNameHere: "Da Count? He stole my act! Bastard is not even Romanian!"

/obscure

Greg The Bunny?


*ding ding* Yup. Wow, that took 1 hour and 3 minutes.

Is there a time qualifier for 'obscure' on FARK? I think if a reference has gone unreferenced after 30 minutes it should qualify as 'legitimately obscure'.
 
2012-11-27 10:29:38 PM

ObscureNameHere: Primitive Screwhead: ObscureNameHere: "Da Count? He stole my act! Bastard is not even Romanian!"

/obscure

Greg The Bunny?

*ding ding* Yup. Wow, that took 1 hour and 3 minutes.

Is there a time qualifier for 'obscure' on FARK? I think if a reference has gone unreferenced after 30 minutes it should qualify as 'legitimately obscure'.


You seem to have an obsession with obscurity. I would recommend a great psychiatrist to you, but you've probably never heard of him.
 
2012-11-27 10:52:55 PM
If I was 16 and slept with men much older than me (actually I did), I might count it as a stupid decision later, but I wouldn't try to make it a crime for anyone,. ESPECIALLY if I'd been out looking for it. I may have been naive, but I still made my own decisions. And I don't think these young men were "naive" either.
 
2012-11-27 11:03:58 PM

cryinoutloud: If I was 16 and slept with men much older than me (actually I did), I might count it as a stupid decision later, but I wouldn't try to make it a crime for anyone,. ESPECIALLY if I'd been out looking for it. I may have been naive, but I still made my own decisions. And I don't think these young men were "naive" either.



But what if you'd been a thug hustler, who now saw a chance to extort a lot of hush money from a rich former john? what then?
 
2012-11-28 01:09:22 AM

cryinoutloud: If I was 16 and slept with men much older than me (actually I did), I might count it as a stupid decision later, but I wouldn't try to make it a crime for anyone,. ESPECIALLY if I'd been out looking for it. I may have been naive, but I still made my own decisions. And I don't think these young men were "naive" either.


Yeah, but now make yourself a republican who wanted Mitt Romney to win, and have a lawyer tell you that you could make a quarter of a million dollars by claiming you were molested.
 
2012-11-28 06:14:53 AM

Son of Thunder: Ranger677: I don't. And maybe not every time (although there should be). But getting back to this case, why are the cops not involved? They should at least be looking into it since it went public, but I have not seen ANY mention of them at all.

And, as we all know, if YOU don't see it, it doesn't exist.


Thunder is right. If the lawyer in this case was doing his job he already tried to sell it to the DA's office and they told him no for the reasons mentioned in this thread.

BTW when a lawyer wants to use the threat of criminal prosecution to bolster a civil case, there is a fine ethical line the lawyer has to tiptoe along -- roughly, she can try to involve the cops, but can't use that to pressure the defendant.
 
2012-11-29 08:56:23 AM

vermicious k'nid: Flakeloaf: vermicious k'nid: Joe Blowme: Let's see, 16..... not mature enought to drive past midnight, cant drink, can only have so many in the car when they drive, cant go to R rated movie.... but some of you think they have capacity to "consent" to sex and its ok because they were/maybe legal age of consent? Wow, i wonder if you would feel the need to defend him if he was banging 16 year old chicks or is it because he is gay and this might look bad on that whole protected class thing?

/know how i know defenders have no kids?


[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x349]

Please note the dark blue areas where they also think that a 16 yr old can consent to sex.

Then shove your head back up your arse so you don't have to think about yucky ghey sex anymore. 
/know how I know you're a redneck jackass?

In that big blue area up top, a sixteen year old cannot consent to sex with a 35 year old man.

Does that only apply to Canada or are there similar stipulations in the US?
/will rescind if so


It doesn't apply to Canada. The age of consent is 16, meaning it's perfectly legal for a 95 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old. There's a separate position of trust provision that applies until 18, but a gay chatroom hookup isn't going to involve a position of trust.
 
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