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2012-11-27 12:59:53 PM

JohnCarter: Then as you actually read past the headlines, it was 16 years olds, they met in a gay chat room, they got together for consensual sex, and now it's like...well not so sure what the issue is


The issue is the gay-guy equivalent of this.
 
2012-11-27 12:59:58 PM

Joe Blowme: Whar all the fark defenders??!
at least all you have on your face is egg, better than what these poor children had.


10/10 Would egg face again!
 
2012-11-27 01:00:11 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com

Told you Sesame Street was trouble.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:04 PM
As many of the teachers on greenlit threads should know, don't have sex with people at the workplace.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:18 PM

Ranger677: OK, so if these actually happened, why are we only hearing about lawsuits? Why go directly to CTW? Shouldn't they be going to, you know, the police? There is no Statute of Limitations with this type of crime anymore, so it is not that it happened years ago.

Money grab. Plain and simple.


Not to mention, that documentary about Clash came out a relatively short time ago, making it really clear that Elmo was one dude rather than a generic character.

This wouldn't get any press or carry any weight if it was "some random dude who works for Sesame Street", but now that everyone KNOWS that Clash basically is Elmo, it's huge. This wouldn't have flown before that documentary, I'd bet.

So not only is the jump to lawsuit questionable, the timing is also damning.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:55 PM
Until there's any actual evidence presented, I'm going to call bullshiat.
 
2012-11-27 01:02:58 PM

xaratherus: Son of Thunder: yves0010: Something tells me many of these allegations are just simply money grabs.

/Captain Obvious away!

Yup. Just like all those awful boys 16-year olds with their mean accusations against those poor innocent priests... and scoutmasters... and teachers that they met while trolling a chat room for gay hook-ups...

Fixed that for you. The two situations aren't comparable.


And? Let's go with that story and see how it works out...
Clash went onto a chat room and met some 16 year old who was totally hot to trot and was trolling for a gay hook up. Clash said yes and they had sex.
Bam, Clash committed a felony. It's irrelevant that the kid was in a gay chat room. The law doesn't say "sex with a minor is a felony unless they were in a gay chat room, in which case, plow away!" or "sex with a minor is a felony unless they're really sexy, in which case, take lots of pictures!" If that's the story that Clash wants to go with - that he's the real victim because these kids got him horny - then he's going to be on a fast bus to prison.
 
2012-11-27 01:03:16 PM

Ranger677: OK, so if these actually happened, why are we only hearing about lawsuits? Why go directly to CTW? Shouldn't they be going to, you know, the police? There is no Statute of Limitations with this type of crime anymore, so it is not that it happened years ago.

Money grab. Plain and simple.


.
Hmm, is that your response to all of the charges against priests?
 
2012-11-27 01:03:47 PM

sid244: If you care, here is what SpongeBob thinks Elmo should have resigned.


If you care, here is why SpongeBob thinks Emlo should have resigned.

/FTFM
//Sieg Heil, grammar
 
2012-11-27 01:06:40 PM

Hyatus: Until there's any actual evidence presented, I'm going to call bullshiat.


Evidence of what? That they had sex? Is Clash's statement good enough for you?
The Web site said on Monday that the accuser, now 24 years old, contacted Sesame Workshop last summer and claimed that, beginning at age 16, he had a sexual relationship with Mr. Clash. "Voice of Elmo Denies Sex With Under-Age Boy," the site's headline read. Mr. Clash, now 52 years old, responded by saying that the relationship "was between two consenting adults".

The only dispute here is was the boy 17 or 16 when they had sex.
 
2012-11-27 01:07:47 PM
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-27 01:08:12 PM
Ironically Romney didn't kill Big-bird but Obama killed Elmo. I suspect this whole thing started when The Obama campaign went after Romney over the Big-bird thing and people started looking at what Big-bird and the others make. Once the realized that Elmo had to be making 300k plus the race was on to see who could file a lawsuit the fastest. He's not deigning doing it just arguing the age. But if he was 40+ and deliberately scouting kids that latest looked boyish then I think he deserves what he gets. Not convinced the guys suing him are truly victims but he is a sicko.
 
2012-11-27 01:08:24 PM
Don't gay chat rooms have firewalls to keep out those who are under 18??

If not, why not sue them for allowing this kind of activity to take place?

I have male friends who were very young & bagging older men in the NYC nightclubs well before chat rooms. Virility & stamina are tough to pass up, apparently.
 
2012-11-27 01:09:11 PM

Elroydb: He died too soon. There were many important things left to count

also A+ for the headline


But he'd prefer O-neg.
 
2012-11-27 01:11:20 PM

PsychoLaurie: I have male friends who were very young & bagging older men in the NYC nightclubs well before chat rooms. Virility & stamina are tough to pass up, apparently.


An assload of temptation, is that what you're saying?
 
2012-11-27 01:11:24 PM
So now willfully engaging in and seeking out sexual encounters is "technical rape"... He also wasn't using his position to initiate these encounters (which is what most molestors do) he did although it would seem enage in sex with a few minors of the age of 16 who were willing partisipants. Unless there is evidence of some intent to find 16yr olds and or continued relations after having become aware of their age i dont see something worth a lawsuit. As for not going to the police its obvious they lack evidence, and or are looking only for a pay day.
 
2012-11-27 01:13:14 PM

PsychoLaurie: Don't gay chat rooms have firewalls to keep out those who are under 18??


Because as of yet, no one has implemented IETF RFC 69, "the underage flag".

If not, why not sue them for allowing this kind of activity to take place?

Because as common service providers, they're no more "allowing" it to take place than Craigslist - or for that matter, GMail, or AT&T - is "allowing" prostitution.
 
2012-11-27 01:13:26 PM

DerpHerder: So now willfully engaging in and seeking out sexual encounters is "technical rape"... He also wasn't using his position to initiate these encounters (which is what most molestors do) he did although it would seem enage in sex with a few minors of the age of 16 who were willing partisipants. Unless there is evidence of some intent to find 16yr olds and or continued relations after having become aware of their age i dont see something worth a lawsuit. As for not going to the police its obvious they lack evidence, and or are looking only for a pay day.


How do you know he didn't use the Elmo voice on them?
 
2012-11-27 01:13:48 PM
So, anyone seen T.M.S. lately?
img545.imageshack.us

/check the filename
//and lulz de lulz
 
2012-11-27 01:14:08 PM
Maybe they'll retire that little red bastard now and Grover can have his rightful place back.
 
2012-11-27 01:14:50 PM
Elmo will always be my favorite Katy Perry t-shirt.
 
2012-11-27 01:15:40 PM

Jaws_Victim: meathome: yves0010: Something tells me many of these allegations are just simply money grabs.

/Captain Obvious away!

Probably, but it's not uncommon for an offender to have several victims before being caught.

At this point, it's better to wait and see...

How are you a victim when you chat and plan out whats going to happen and then knowingly meet the person, and then not complain for 10 years?


This.
 
2012-11-27 01:15:51 PM

Thorak: Ranger677: OK, so if these actually happened, why are we only hearing about lawsuits? Why go directly to CTW? Shouldn't they be going to, you know, the police? There is no Statute of Limitations with this type of crime anymore, so it is not that it happened years ago.

Money grab. Plain and simple.

Not to mention, that documentary about Clash came out a relatively short time ago, making it really clear that Elmo was one dude rather than a generic character.

This wouldn't get any press or carry any weight if it was "some random dude who works for Sesame Street", but now that everyone KNOWS that Clash basically is Elmo, it's huge. This wouldn't have flown before that documentary, I'd bet.

So not only is the jump to lawsuit questionable, the timing is also damning.


Ssuming the worst, he probably hooked up with a bunch of guys of guys in their late teens, and now that this story in the news, said Twinks are realizing "hey, that's the John Smith I hooked up with in a Motel 6!" They were either barely underage, or barely legal. Close enough for them to feel they can get in on the civil suit.
 
2012-11-27 01:16:13 PM

Theaetetus: xaratherus: Son of Thunder: yves0010: Something tells me many of these allegations are just simply money grabs.

/Captain Obvious away!

Yup. Just like all those awful boys 16-year olds with their mean accusations against those poor innocent priests... and scoutmasters... and teachers that they met while trolling a chat room for gay hook-ups...

Fixed that for you. The two situations aren't comparable.

And? Let's go with that story and see how it works out...
Clash went onto a chat room and met some 16 year old who was totally hot to trot and was trolling for a gay hook up. Clash said yes and they had sex.
Bam, Clash committed a felony. It's irrelevant that the kid was in a gay chat room. The law doesn't say "sex with a minor is a felony unless they were in a gay chat room, in which case, plow away!" or "sex with a minor is a felony unless they're really sexy, in which case, take lots of pictures!" If that's the story that Clash wants to go with - that he's the real victim because these kids got him horny - then he's going to be on a fast bus to prison.


From a legal perspective regarding New York state law? I don't disagree. That wasn't my point. My point was that to compare this to Catholic priests who are molesting 11-year old choir boys? No. A number of states recognize that 16-year olds are capable of consent; NO state recognizes that an 11-year old is (except for maybe Vatican City).
 
2012-11-27 01:17:48 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-27 01:26:15 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-27 01:26:32 PM

Hyatus: Until there's any actual evidence presented, I'm going to call bullshiat.


Yup. Everything about this case reeks of shameless cash-grab.
 
2012-11-27 01:27:41 PM

xaratherus: Theaetetus: xaratherus: Son of Thunder: yves0010: Something tells me many of these allegations are just simply money grabs.

/Captain Obvious away!

Yup. Just like all those awful boys 16-year olds with their mean accusations against those poor innocent priests... and scoutmasters... and teachers that they met while trolling a chat room for gay hook-ups...

Fixed that for you. The two situations aren't comparable.

And? Let's go with that story and see how it works out...
Clash went onto a chat room and met some 16 year old who was totally hot to trot and was trolling for a gay hook up. Clash said yes and they had sex.
Bam, Clash committed a felony. It's irrelevant that the kid was in a gay chat room. The law doesn't say "sex with a minor is a felony unless they were in a gay chat room, in which case, plow away!" or "sex with a minor is a felony unless they're really sexy, in which case, take lots of pictures!" If that's the story that Clash wants to go with - that he's the real victim because these kids got him horny - then he's going to be on a fast bus to prison.

From a legal perspective regarding New York state law? I don't disagree. That wasn't my point. My point was that to compare this to Catholic priests who are molesting 11-year old choir boys? No. A number of states recognize that 16-year olds are capable of consent; NO state recognizes that an 11-year old is (except for maybe Vatican City).


Then the reference to trolling gay sex cites is at best irrelevant, and at worst, intentionally misleading. Instead, you should have said:
Just like all those awful boys 16-year olds with their mean accusations against those poor innocent priests... and scoutmasters... and teachers.
Since the age is the only variable related to your point.
 
2012-11-27 01:29:03 PM

LonMead: PsychoLaurie: I have male friends who were very young & bagging older men in the NYC nightclubs well before chat rooms. Virility & stamina are tough to pass up, apparently.

An assload of temptation, is that what you're saying?


Huh huh huh assload.
 
2012-11-27 01:29:30 PM
I hope that someone is taking note of the IP addresses posting here.
 
2012-11-27 01:32:28 PM
we need voting buttons on fark to decide cases like this.. Not guilty i say! and i have banged my gavel. everyone out.

/mr clash should have just told those "pickups" that he is a sewer worker, with a really high voice.
 
2012-11-27 01:34:32 PM
Shame the guy isn't a female school teacher so everyone could say how lucky the boys were.
 
2012-11-27 01:34:49 PM
Let's see, 16..... not mature enought to drive past midnight, cant drink, can only have so many in the car when they drive, cant go to R rated movie.... but some of you think they have capacity to "consent" to sex and its ok because they were/maybe legal age of consent? Wow, i wonder if you would feel the need to defend him if he was banging 16 year old chicks or is it because he is gay and this might look bad on that whole protected class thing?

/know how i know defenders have no kids?
 
2012-11-27 01:35:24 PM
...and they will continue to rise as long as he prefers to settle with the accusers out of court for undisclosed sums of money, rather than calling them liars in front of a judge.
 
2012-11-27 01:38:47 PM

sid244: sid244: If you care, here is what SpongeBob thinks Elmo should have resigned.

If you care, here is why SpongeBob thinks Emlo should have resigned.

/FTFM
//Sieg Heil, grammar


After watching that video, it's obvious that even Tom Kenny doesn't care what Tom Kenny thinks about the situation.
 
2012-11-27 01:38:57 PM

Theaetetus: xaratherus: Son of Thunder: yves0010: Something tells me many of these allegations are just simply money grabs.

/Captain Obvious away!

Yup. Just like all those awful boys 16-year olds with their mean accusations against those poor innocent priests... and scoutmasters... and teachers that they met while trolling a chat room for gay hook-ups...

Fixed that for you. The two situations aren't comparable.

And? Let's go with that story and see how it works out...
Clash went onto a chat room and met some 16 year old who was totally hot to trot and was trolling for a gay hook up. Clash said yes and they had sex.
Bam, Clash committed a felony. It's irrelevant that the kid was in a gay chat room. The law doesn't say "sex with a minor is a felony unless they were in a gay chat room, in which case, plow away!" or "sex with a minor is a felony unless they're really sexy, in which case, take lots of pictures!" If that's the story that Clash wants to go with - that he's the real victim because these kids got him horny - then he's going to be on a fast bus to prison.


Don't you get it? It is totally different when the kids put out willingly. That is why it isn't bad when I trade beer to 13 and 14 year old girls for sex.
 
2012-11-27 01:39:40 PM

Joe Blowme: Let's see, 16..... not mature enought to drive past midnight, cant drink, can only have so many in the car when they drive, cant go to R rated movie.... but some of you think they have capacity to "consent" to sex and its ok because they were/maybe legal age of consent? Wow, i wonder if you would feel the need to defend him if he was banging 16 year old chicks or is it because he is gay and this might look bad on that whole protected class thing?

/know how i know defenders have no kids?


I hardly see how our ability to pull out in time has a bearing on these accusations.
 
2012-11-27 01:40:14 PM

DerpHerder: So now willfully engaging in and seeking out sexual encounters is "technical rape"... He also wasn't using his position to initiate these encounters (which is what most molestors do) he did although it would seem enage in sex with a few minors of the age of 16 who were willing partisipants. Unless there is evidence of some intent to find 16yr olds and or continued relations after having become aware of their age i dont see something worth a lawsuit. As for not going to the police its obvious they lack evidence, and or are looking only for a pay day.


I believe the phrase you are looking for is "statutory rape". As in "too young to legally give consent".
 
2012-11-27 01:45:06 PM
 
2012-11-27 01:46:15 PM
Let's flip this shiat around for once:

A 16y/o girl goes on a gay (lesbian) chat site and hits on an older woman there. They have sex.

A 16y/o boy goes on a straight sex chat site and hits on an older woman there. They have sex.

Nobody has a problem with this. High 5's all around.

WTF is wrong with this world?
 
2012-11-27 01:46:20 PM

Joe Blowme: Let's see, 16..... not mature enought to drive past midnight, cant drink, can only have so many in the car when they drive, cant go to R rated movie.... but some of you think they have capacity to "consent" to sex and its ok because they were/maybe legal age of consent? Wow, i wonder if you would feel the need to defend him if he was banging 16 year old chicks or is it because he is gay and this might look bad on that whole protected class thing?

/know how i know defenders have no kids?



upload.wikimedia.org

Please note the dark blue areas where they also think that a 16 yr old can consent to sex.

Then shove your head back up your arse so you don't have to think about yucky ghey sex anymore. 
/know how I know you're a redneck jackass?
 
2012-11-27 01:46:42 PM

Joe Blowme: Let's see, 16..... not mature enought to drive past midnight, cant drink, can only have so many in the car when they drive, cant go to R rated movie.... but some of you think they have capacity to "consent" to sex and its ok because they were/maybe legal age of consent? Wow, i wonder if you would feel the need to defend him if he was banging 16 year old chicks or is it because he is gay and this might look bad on that whole protected class thing?

/know how i know defenders have no kids?


Know how I know you were never sixteeen? If eighth graders can be horndogs, a third-year high school student is plenty able to consent to all sorts of things. They just shouldn't be consenting to it with people three times their age.

These young people were allegedly in a gay chat room that existed for the purpose of soliciting sex. They deliberately went there with the intention of finding a specific thing. At issue here is that Clash, again allegedly, took full advantage of the situation by going there himself to pick up. It's like the girl who shows up prom a purse full of rubbers and no underwear on: She's hooking up with somebody, but it's still wrong for her to end up in the handicapped bathroom with the librarian.

It's alleged he took advantage of young people, but let's not polish the halo on these alleged victims too brightly here because they were almost certainly fully aware of what they were doing.
 
2012-11-27 01:46:52 PM

xaratherus: Theaetetus: xaratherus: Son of Thunder: yves0010: Something tells me many of these allegations are just simply money grabs.

/Captain Obvious away!

Yup. Just like all those awful boys 16-year olds with their mean accusations against those poor innocent priests... and scoutmasters... and teachers that they met while trolling a chat room for gay hook-ups...

Fixed that for you. The two situations aren't comparable.

And? Let's go with that story and see how it works out...
Clash went onto a chat room and met some 16 year old who was totally hot to trot and was trolling for a gay hook up. Clash said yes and they had sex.
Bam, Clash committed a felony. It's irrelevant that the kid was in a gay chat room. The law doesn't say "sex with a minor is a felony unless they were in a gay chat room, in which case, plow away!" or "sex with a minor is a felony unless they're really sexy, in which case, take lots of pictures!" If that's the story that Clash wants to go with - that he's the real victim because these kids got him horny - then he's going to be on a fast bus to prison.

From a legal perspective regarding New York state law? I don't disagree. That wasn't my point. My point was that to compare this to Catholic priests who are molesting 11-year old choir boys? No. A number of states recognize that 16-year olds are capable of consent; NO state recognizes that an 11-year old is (except for maybe Vatican City).


You think the Catholic church scandals were all about 11 year old choir boys?
 
2012-11-27 01:47:47 PM

vermicious k'nid: Joe Blowme: Let's see, 16..... not mature enought to drive past midnight, cant drink, can only have so many in the car when they drive, cant go to R rated movie.... but some of you think they have capacity to "consent" to sex and its ok because they were/maybe legal age of consent? Wow, i wonder if you would feel the need to defend him if he was banging 16 year old chicks or is it because he is gay and this might look bad on that whole protected class thing?

/know how i know defenders have no kids?


[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x349]

Please note the dark blue areas where they also think that a 16 yr old can consent to sex.

Then shove your head back up your arse so you don't have to think about yucky ghey sex anymore. 
/know how I know you're a redneck jackass?


In that big blue area up top, a sixteen year old cannot consent to sex with a 35 year old man.
 
2012-11-27 01:49:10 PM

OniExpress: 16yo hooks up with a guy on a site for guys to hook up.... profit?

Sorry, don't get that one.

People in positions like this really should be more careful. Being gay is enough liability (in the eyes of some people). Having hookups is a liability for anyone. Having gay hookups when you're the frelling voice of Elmo is pretty unwise, regardless of the ages.

Hoping this gets taken care of with a minimum of collateral damage.


Ah, but the actual damage is ok. And I'm confused as to how working on a kids show makes sex in your personal life off-limits. The only thing that's making this news is the accusers allege they were minors. The only way your caution makes sense is if you're equating homosexuals with pederasts.
 
2012-11-27 01:49:28 PM

LonMead: "Mr. Looper used to warn me about adults who played with kids all day."

 

Looper?
 
2012-11-27 01:51:39 PM

Eats Kittens: Looper?


media.tumblr.com

Loop it.
 
2012-11-27 01:51:54 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Tomorrow's headline: Elmo's puppeteer commits suicide.


Frankly, I've been terrified of seeing this for a week or more. =(
 
2012-11-27 01:52:50 PM

david_gaithersburg: Ranger677: OK, so if these actually happened, why are we only hearing about lawsuits? Why go directly to CTW? Shouldn't they be going to, you know, the police? There is no Statute of Limitations with this type of crime anymore, so it is not that it happened years ago.

Money grab. Plain and simple.

.
Hmm, is that your response to all of the charges against priests?


In those cases, there has at LEAST been a police investigation, if not charges and findings of guilt first. Here, it is straight to "give me some money".
 
2012-11-27 01:53:12 PM
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