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(RotoExperts)   For now on when an NFL coach blows a game we will say "He Schwartzed the game"   (rotoexperts.com) divider line 14
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2012-11-27 12:58:40 PM
3 votes:

stewbert: IamKaiserSoze!!!: ***snip***

Who (besides Ford) would promote Millen's #2 man after that fiasco? Mayhew may be doing ok, but that is the straw that caused me to turn against the Lions and replace it with college ball.

I'm sick of hearing how nice a guy Ford is. Nice hasn't done jack.


I think the funniest part of Matt Millen's career is that someone is paying him, like real money dollars, to be an on-air analyst. The guy was universally thought of as one of the worst GMs in the NFL, but now a network thinks people want to hear what he has to say about the current game? WTF?
2012-11-27 11:53:21 AM
2 votes:
Ok, there's two things going on here.

First, the farking rule is nonsensical and needs to be revised.

Second, Schwartz is an asshole and needs to be gone. I was a huge supporter of his three years ago, but it's become apparent that his lack of discipline has flowed down through the entire team. I've been waiting forty years for a decent football team in Detroit and now that they have the talent, they've got a shift head coach.
2012-11-27 10:17:26 AM
2 votes:

Mr Guy: Nonsense, and the rule interpretation is incoherent.


Even if everything you say is true, 1) Schwartz admitted that he doesn't agree with you and that he screwed up, and 2) Even if you're right, this EXACT SAME PENALTY was called the week before on a turnover in another game. So there was precedent from all of four days before.

The bottom line is that Schwartz is an undisciplined buffoon, which is in no small part directly responsible for the undisciplined buffoonery displayed by his players.
2012-11-27 04:11:06 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: thesloppy: Note that the previous 2 Lions possessions ended in a reception that was fumbled by Pettigrew and an interception that was overturned, and Stafford had (uncharacteristically) already twice taken sacks that knocked them out of field goal range.

Yes, I already know all that, as I pointed it out as factors that lessen the stupidity of it. Still dumb, though.


Well, you and lots of other folks are suggesting that these are outlandish things that could happen "less than 1% of the time", incredulously saying "How often do you A) lose yardage, B) turn the ball over, or C) get sacked when in similar FG position?" ignoring that in the context of this game the answers were A: 4 out of the last 6 plays, B: the last time the Lions were there, and C: often enough that it had already happened twice in this game.
2012-11-27 02:44:25 PM
1 votes:
While I think Schwartz is a hotheaded dumbass, let's remember that this is a league with Norv Turner and let's never forget that Jason Garrett iced his own kicker. So Schwartz doesn't get tagged with this.
2012-11-27 01:17:19 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: meanmutton: A mishandled snap that's fallen on means a kick from around the 54 or so, which is certainly within his range.

This line of thinking is so stupid and coaches really need to stop thinking it's acceptable. You don't coach based on "well, if this extremely unlikely play happens, we MIGHT still have a shot at making a play" - you coach to put your team in the best possible position to win.

/just because everyone does it doesn't make it a good decision


That's not the only potential bad outcome, though. There's also the chance of a negative yard play on 3rd down or a turnover. With Hanson, they had about a 75% chance of winning the game RIGHT THEN. That seems like good numbers to me.
2012-11-27 12:29:06 PM
1 votes:

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Ok, there's two things going on here.

First, the farking rule is nonsensical and needs to be revised.

Second, Schwartz is an asshole and needs to be gone. I was a huge supporter of his three years ago, but it's become apparent that his lack of discipline has flowed down through the entire team. I've been waiting forty years for a decent football team in Detroit and now that they have the talent, they've got a shift head coach.


We had a really solid club in 91. Lots of talent in the Barry era. Just like now, the problem is the ownership. They don't make changes until years after they are needed, and they don't even make an effort to hire quality talent. Who (besides Ford) would promote Millen's #2 man after that fiasco? Mayhew may be doing ok, but that is the straw that caused me to turn against the Lions and replace it with college ball.

I'm sick of hearing how nice a guy Ford is. Nice hasn't done jack.
2012-11-27 11:27:44 AM
1 votes:
The rule was and is moronic. The refs blew the call, and get to hide behind this instead of correcting their mistake.

Keep Norved where it is.
2012-11-27 11:04:22 AM
1 votes:

rorypk: Maybe they should give the refs a little more discretion, so if something is clearly against the spirit of the game, they can ignore certain rules? Maybe a call to someone at the league office while under the hood? Predictability of rules makes the game fair for everyone, but there's a point where an incorrect call undermines the integrity of the game. Wouldn't be too hard for an official to say f it in that circumstance and let the review proceed. Seems every season there's at least one stupid wrinkle in the rule book that completely screws up a game, and if the refs were allowed to use common sense, there is an obvious equitable solution available. Of course all these poorly written rules go against the Lions, so no one cares. Process of the catch


There are plenty of times where a ref has simply picked up a challenge flag, told the coach a play was not able to be challenged, and let everything slide. Why Coleman would choose to be extra harsh on a 80+ yard scoring play that was an obvious mis-call is just another small mystery for the Lions history book.
2012-11-27 10:59:44 AM
1 votes:
This dude can't be paying too much attention to the Lions if he's using the Jefferson-Linehan sideline 'argument' as evidence against Schwartz. Likewise, while I don't particularly like the strategy of kicking on 3rd down, I'm confused by all the folks who suddenly want to pretend that this is the first time in the world a coach has ever used that strategy, and that there isn't some precedent to it. Finally all the hindsight questioning of "Why not obviously try to run it once more and get some extra yards before the FG try?" ignores the fact that the Texans had just missed their previous FG by doing exactly that, running it twice before the kick, and losing yardage both times.
2012-11-27 10:26:26 AM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: No they don't. This team deserves anything and everything bad that could possibly befall it. They are one of the worst run franchises in the history of American professional sports.

Stop giving them your money.


Yep. You always hear about what a "class act" and "good guy" William Clay Ford is. You hear this for two reasons: 1) His team has only presented a threat in one year of his decades of ownership (1991) and 2) His family's company is a huge source of income for the league.

The reality is, he's the drunken black sheep dumbass of the Ford family, and he is the one and only reason that in a league driven by parity, the Lions are consistently a joke.
2012-11-27 10:17:21 AM
1 votes:
It's isn't often I feel sorry for a divisional rival of my team, I even enjoyed the 0-16 season, but Schwartz has brought me to that place. Terrible clock management, idiotic play calling, the "I meant to do that" comment about that challenge, getting into fights with other coaches, letting Suh become nothing more than joke, not to mention the waste of Calvin Johnson's talent.
2012-11-27 10:06:38 AM
1 votes:
Why do we have to stop saying "Norved?"
2012-11-27 10:01:22 AM
1 votes:
I can't disagree with one word in this article. I was thinking the same thoughts as I watched the game last Thursday. As a life long Lions fan, they deserve better. They are the most undisciplined team in sports led by the least disciplined coach.
 
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