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(South Jersey Courier-Post)   Red light cameras have brought New Jersey a 20% increase in rear-end collisions and an additional $1 million in property damage per intersection   (courierpostonline.com) divider line 170
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2012-11-28 12:43:02 AM  
The headline seems to falsely accuse the red light cameras for the increase in rear-end collisions when the fault clearly is with people following too closely.
 
2012-11-28 12:46:52 AM  

Kanemano:

Why would you be doing 50 MPH approaching an intersection, obviously this is not on the highway, this is city driving, he also had enough time to actually stop the vehicle from 50 MPH, so 100 feet if optimal more likely 150 feet.


I live a quarter mile from a camera-equipped intersection on a state highway that has a 50 mph limit, so I'm getting a kick out of your reply...
 
2012-11-28 01:58:57 AM  
I don't like redlight cameras any more than anyone else here, but the fact is that rear end collisions caused by them would be reduces if drivers would simply not too close and pay attention. Following too close is pointless anyway. You follow too close you save what, two seconds?
 
2012-11-28 02:48:07 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Replace them all with roundabouts!

//runs


Look kids! There's Big Ben and there's Parliament!
 
2012-11-28 03:19:07 AM  
NJ has the worst drivers in the country. hands down.
 
2012-11-28 03:20:26 AM  

SurelyShirley: In beautiful Oregon, on the other hand, registration fees are $86 for two years for any passenger vehicle.


Why why do you say things like that! Oh wait... yes everyone, the man is wrong he meant $860 every six months. Serious, what ever you do, do not move to Oregon, taxes are insane, the place is overrun with expat Californians driving their prius's at 45 in the left lane, and it rains 342 days a year.
 
2012-11-28 09:54:18 AM  

gibbon1: SurelyShirley: In beautiful Oregon, on the other hand, registration fees are $86 for two years for any passenger vehicle.

Why why do you say things like that! Oh wait... yes everyone, the man is wrong he meant $860 every six months. Serious, what ever you do, do not move to Oregon, taxes are insane, the place is overrun with expat Californians driving their prius's at 45 in the left lane, and it rains 342 days a year.


Yes, on the wet side.
 
2012-11-28 10:07:30 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I don't like redlight cameras any more than anyone else here, but the fact is that rear end collisions caused by them would be reduces if drivers would simply not too close and pay attention. Following too close is pointless anyway. You follow too close you save what, two seconds?


Zero seconds, since either way, you still can't go faster than the vehicle ahead.
 
2012-11-28 10:13:29 AM  

gibbon1: SurelyShirley: In beautiful Oregon, on the other hand, registration fees are $86 for two years for any passenger vehicle.

Why why do you say things like that! Oh wait... yes everyone, the man is wrong he meant $860 every six months. Serious, what ever you do, do not move to Oregon, taxes are insane, the place is overrun with expat Californians driving their prius's at 45 in the left lane, and it rains 342 days a year.


More like 75 in the left lane, equally stupid on wet, rutted pavement. The low gas and car taxes combined with the biggest fish like Intel and Nike paying the corporate minimum income tax of $10/year means the highways and transit systems have been neglected to the point where the typical 50 MPH urban, 55 suburban, 65 rural interstate speed limits are generally unattainable due to shiat roads and overcrowding from lack of alternative modes.
 
2012-11-28 11:05:36 AM  

Baloo Uriza:
More like 75 in the left lane, equally stupid on wet, rutted pavement. The low gas and car taxes combined with the biggest fish like Intel and Nike paying the corporate minimum income tax of $10/year means the highways and transit systems have been neglected to the point where the typical 50 MPH urban, 55 suburban, 65 rural interstate speed limits are generally unattainable due to shiat roads and overcrowding from lack of alternative modes.


Whereas California, with its high income, sales, gas, corporate and vehicle taxes must have the best roads in the country, or even the world, right?
Or not
 
2012-11-28 01:19:29 PM  
A government-funded study group (National Cooperative Highway Research Program ("NCHRP") of the Transportation Research Board of the National Academy of Sciences) just published a study recommending longer minimum yellows. The minimums recommended in the study were 0.4 to 0.6 sec. greater than the present minimums in states such as California and Florida. For example, the present minimum in a 35 zone is 3.6 secs. while the study recommends 4.1 seconds.
Right now the average red light violator is about 0.4 sec. late, so the extra time will cut violations by at least half.
The NCHRP study also recommended longer yellows for left turns. Instead of the current 3.0 yellow no matter what the posted speed, it recommended longer yellows on streets having higher posted speeds. In a 35 zone the min. yellow for a left turn would be 3.7.
An article about the study is at http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/39/3941.asp and the full study is at http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/nchrp_rpt_731.pdf .
I submit that any city contemplating cameras may want to put things on hold until City staff has an opportunity to report about the effect the reduced quantity of violations will have on the financial viability of the camera system.
 
2012-11-28 02:54:06 PM  

cartmans_evil_twin: Kanemano:

Why would you be doing 50 MPH approaching an intersection, obviously this is not on the highway, this is city driving, he also had enough time to actually stop the vehicle from 50 MPH, so 100 feet if optimal more likely 150 feet.

I live a quarter mile from a camera-equipped intersection on a state highway that has a 50 mph limit, so I'm getting a kick out of your reply...


I stand corrected, actually sit corrected, but that neither here nor there, in my neck of the woods all city streets are 35 max.
 
2012-11-28 04:47:09 PM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: You follow too close you save what, two seconds?


Well when there isn't a camera, you can drift through the yellow with the driver in front of you, which could save 3 or 4 minutes at a busy intersection. Following closely in the left lane is also a way of saying "Get out of the passing lane and let me pass"
 
2012-11-28 09:34:55 PM  

SurelyShirley: Baloo Uriza:
More like 75 in the left lane, equally stupid on wet, rutted pavement. The low gas and car taxes combined with the biggest fish like Intel and Nike paying the corporate minimum income tax of $10/year means the highways and transit systems have been neglected to the point where the typical 50 MPH urban, 55 suburban, 65 rural interstate speed limits are generally unattainable due to shiat roads and overcrowding from lack of alternative modes.

Whereas California, with its high income, sales, gas, corporate and vehicle taxes must have the best roads in the country, or even the world, right?
Or not


Well, California's Mississippi with a better beach.
 
2012-11-28 09:36:20 PM  

Gig103: Well when there isn't a camera, you can drift through the yellow with the driver in front of you, which could save 3 or 4 minutes at a busy intersection.


I challenge you to use a stopwatch and test that theory. Probably closer to half that.

Following closely in the left lane is also a way of saying "Get out of the passing lane and let me pass"

Most people interpret it as "I'm an impatient douche."
 
2012-11-28 10:05:40 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Most people interpret it as "I'm an impatient douche."


Says the one holding up everyone behind them because they are a self-important douche.
 
2012-11-28 11:40:33 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Kanemano: Gig103: I had to do an emergency stop from 50mph because the yellow at a particular intersection isn't long enough

Yellow light means S L O W D O W N.

Actually, it means "Clear the intersection: Stop if you can, finish crossing if you can't." Same as a flashing hand on pedestrian signals, or a yellow light on bicycle signals.


www.wearysloth.com

Red light stop, green light go, yellow light go very fast.
 
2012-11-29 01:41:59 AM  

Kanemano: Yellow light means S L O W D O W N.


As Victoly said, no it doesn't. If you merely slow down, you're going to be in the intersection LONGER. Yellow means clear the intersection like lewismarktwo said.

If you see the light go yellow and you're in the intersection, you don't slow down one bit. You keep going and get out of the way. If you're outside of the intersection and have enough room for a non-panic stop, you do that. Built into the equation is some time for that decision.
 
2012-11-29 04:31:20 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I don't like redlight cameras any more than anyone else here, but the fact is that rear end collisions caused by them would be reduces if drivers would simply not too close and pay attention. Following too close is pointless anyway. You follow too close you save what, two seconds?

Zero seconds, since either way, you still can't go faster than the vehicle ahead.


Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.


Gig103: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: You follow too close you save what, two seconds?

Well when there isn't a camera, you can drift through the yellow with the driver in front of you, which could save 3 or 4 minutes at a busy intersection. Following closely in the left lane is also a way of saying "Get out of the passing lane and let me pass"


That could work, but I don't think it's worth the risk of having to replace front end parts.

/hates it when people block the passing lane
 
2012-11-29 09:15:13 PM  

Gig103: Baloo Uriza: Most people interpret it as "I'm an impatient douche."

Says the one holding up everyone behind them because they are a self-important douche.


Patience is a virtue. If the guy in the passing lane is actually overtaking traffic doing the posted maximum speed, well, deal with it. Not everyone wants to second guess the engineers or invite unnecessary attention from police. They'll move over as soon as they're done overtaking. Exception: Asians, and the Rolling Stones tourbus; both will be doing five below the posted minimum with the blinker on.
 
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