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2012-11-27 10:05:39 AM  
This must be for teens who regularly get their stocking stuffed, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
 
2012-11-27 11:14:44 AM  
From: Dad
To: Daddy's Little Whore
 
2012-11-27 12:37:51 PM  
I bought one of those to keep around in case of emergency. God knows I don't need a little Clark Jr. running around right now.
 
2012-11-27 12:40:04 PM  
Or you could say; What's wrong with you people? Can't you stop farking for 5 minutes? Or at least find a more permanent solution then the morning after pill?
 
2012-11-27 12:40:08 PM  
Teens have sex. Get over it.
 
2012-11-27 12:40:19 PM  
i1151.photobucket.com
It beats the crap out of the wire coat-hanger my dad left in MY stocking back in the day!
Ah, who am I kidding? I haven't been fertile since the Reagan era!
 
2012-11-27 12:42:47 PM  
Why just older teens? Why should ordinary teens (and pre-teens) miss out on all the fun?
 
2012-11-27 12:43:39 PM  

Cythraul: From: Dad
To: Daddy's Little Whore


A joke, but there's tons of people who see providing their kids with healthy non-shady resources like this as tantamount to encouraging prostitution. Bums me out, let humans be themselves and be smart about it instead of plunging your ears and pretending your kids are special.

My gf in HS had a pill script and it was basically the best thing ever. I still wore a condom when I had one available though just because I was terrified of being a dad in HS like a few of my classmates became, wanted to live it up solo-style until at least age 28.
 
2012-11-27 12:44:36 PM  
So, what you're saying is, make it a stocking stuffer before their stockings are stuffed?
 
2012-11-27 12:44:44 PM  
why not just add the morning after pill to lite beer and wine coolers?
 
2012-11-27 12:45:53 PM  

kbronsito: why not just add the morning after pill to lite beer and wine coolers?


Gay men have enough problems.
 
2012-11-27 12:46:04 PM  
This thread should consist mostly of civil, well reasoned debate.
 
2012-11-27 12:46:18 PM  

Cythraul: From: Dad
To: Daddy's Little Whore


And we're done
 
2012-11-27 12:46:21 PM  

Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.


Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.
 
2012-11-27 12:46:50 PM  
You could also just shoot the first one that pokes around your daughter. Word will get around
 
2012-11-27 12:47:04 PM  
I was seriously thinking a Crashplan or Backblaze gift subscription would be a nice gift for a child leaving for college.

I guess I'm not as perverse as I thought.
 
2012-11-27 12:47:31 PM  

Electromax: My gf in HS had a pill script and it was basically the best thing ever.


I was in high school in the mid-90s and EVERYONE had a prescription for the pill. If you didn't, you were stupid or not having sex. I just went to my doctor when I was 16 - said "I need the Pill" and he said "Sure, here you go!"

WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
 
2012-11-27 12:49:50 PM  
... Sometimes, I fear big pharma. Not because of any conspiracy, but because they just want to make a quick buck.

This is one of those times. I'm not against protecting oneself from making any mistakes, but I think in the end, it's all about personal responsibility.
 
2012-11-27 12:50:57 PM  
From what I've heard, the morning after pill is its own birth-control enabler; the will to avoid violent nausea is a bit of a brake on the will to get off.
 
2012-11-27 12:51:33 PM  
Sex should have consequences! ..that is why God sends STDs and babies! Without the consequences people would...*gasp*...have sex!...without God's intended consequences!

/nevermind the fact that people have sex with the consequences anyway, but still
 
2012-11-27 12:53:29 PM  

asmodeus224: /nevermind the fact that people have sex with the consequences anyway, but still


You got the herp too, eh? Sucks, don't it?
 
2012-11-27 12:53:32 PM  
JohnCarter Smartest
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2012-11-27 12:46:18 PM


Cythraul: From: Dad
To: Daddy's Little Whore

And we're done


Yes, every single woman who has sex is, in fact, a whore.
Like your wife and mother.
 
2012-11-27 12:54:16 PM  

CygnusDarius: ... Sometimes, I fear big pharma. Not because of any conspiracy, but because they just want to make a quick buck.

This is one of those times. I'm not against protecting oneself from making any mistakes, but I think in the end, it's all about personal responsibility.


How is it not personal responsibility to take this pill? It seems eminently responsible to me.
 
2012-11-27 12:56:16 PM  
Abstinence is also a form of extremely early abortion.
 
2012-11-27 12:58:05 PM  

Civchic: Electromax: My gf in HS had a pill script and it was basically the best thing ever.

I was in high school in the mid-90s and EVERYONE had a prescription for the pill. If you didn't, you were stupid or not having sex. I just went to my doctor when I was 16 - said "I need the Pill" and he said "Sure, here you go!"

WHY IS THIS SO HARD?


Because I'm thinking about you, babe.
 
2012-11-27 01:01:35 PM  

BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.


Every egg is sacred! Menstruation is murder!
 
2012-11-27 01:01:59 PM  

BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.


Would you rather they sneak around being unsafe and unprotected and creating more problems? Should making something like a morning after pill *available* (note: it's not a forced medication like blood pressure medication for instance) rouse such an outrage?
 
2012-11-27 01:03:31 PM  

doubled99: Yes, every single woman who has sex is, in fact, a whore.
Like your wife and mother.


You've met my Mother? and I'd pay good money for my wife to act like a whore.
 
2012-11-27 01:04:30 PM  
This is unnecessary. As we all know, teens would never dream of having sex.
 
2012-11-27 01:05:46 PM  

BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.


Morning after pill is NOT the abortion pill. You're thinking of RU486.

Morning after pill stops the egg from being fertilized It does not terminate a pregnancy (which is why you need to take it the "morning after" or at least within a couple of days because there is only a short window of time between sex and fertilization).

Once the egg has been fertilized, taking the pill won't do a damn thing.
 
2012-11-27 01:07:42 PM  
I still haven't figured out how normal BC pills still require a prescription while Plan B is OTC (over 18 anyway). The former will probably be OTC soon enough. Rather than bothering with the Plan B prescription for your under-18 child, you might just buy a box ("for Mom") and leave it in a readily-accessible medicine cabinet with no questions asked.

Probably the best thing I've had for recognizing teen sex was in a church (well, Unitarian) Sunday school class. We (11-year-olds, I think) all were handed a $5 bill. We were instructed to go in pairs to the grocery or drugstore, buy condoms, and bring them to next week's class. Compared labels and prices, etc. But, mostly, get over the "OMG someone will see me buying condoms" bit at a young age.
 
2012-11-27 01:08:39 PM  
A guy walks into a pharmacy and says "My 10 year old daughter needs condoms". The Pharmacist is shocks. "Your 10 year old daughter is sexually ative?!?!" The man replies, "Not really, just mostly just lays therelike her mom does."

Civchic: Electromax: My gf in HS had a pill script and it was basically the best thing ever.

I was in high school in the mid-90s and EVERYONE had a prescription for the pill. If you didn't, you were stupid or not having sex. I just went to my doctor when I was 16 - said "I need the Pill" and he said "Sure, here you go!"

WHY IS THIS SO HARD?


Some chicks have nasty side effects.

FTFA:
Currently, you need a doctor's prescription to purchase emergency contraception, such as Plan B, if you are under 17.

So I can buy one without a scrip and keep it around just in case?

/I don't plan to ignore the fact that it is likely my daughter will be sexually active when she is a teen
 
2012-11-27 01:09:28 PM  

CygnusDarius: ... Sometimes, I fear big pharma. Not because of any conspiracy, but because they just want to make a quick buck.

This is one of those times. I'm not against protecting oneself from making any mistakes, but I think in the end, it's all about personal responsibility.


How is it encouraging personal responsibility to take away a responsible option?
 
2012-11-27 01:14:23 PM  
In before the right wingnuts and bible thumpers throw massive unwarranted tantrums while foaming at the mouth.
 
2012-11-27 01:15:18 PM  

jst3p: So I can buy one without a scrip and keep it around just in case?


If you are over 18, then yes, you could.

Lawnchair: I still haven't figured out how normal BC pills still require a prescription while Plan B is OTC (over 18 anyway).


I've read that they're considering making birth control OTC. It would increase access (no doctor's appointment needed and likely also end it as a political football in insurance discussions (most insurance companies won't pay for OTC meds... you can get a prescription for them sometimes, but even then they're often so inexpensive they are under the copay... BC is something like nine bucks).

The hiccup is that some women can indeed have negative reactions to birth control pills. But then, as with any OTC med, if you have a problem, see your doctor.
 
2012-11-27 01:21:48 PM  

H31N0US: This thread should consist mostly of civil, well reasoned debate.


This is becoming the new Boobies.
 
2012-11-27 01:32:46 PM  

jst3p: /I don't plan to ignore the fact that it is likely my daughter will be sexually active when she is a teen


Agreed. I'd rather she didn't have, but the last thing I want her to do is run around in secret without protection and ruin her life. Need a Morning-After pill? Here you go. Going out on a date? You better believe she'll have a condom somewhere in her purse.
 
2012-11-27 01:32:55 PM  

iheartscotch: Or you could say; What's wrong with you people? Can't you stop farking for 5 minutes? Or at least find a more permanent solution then the morning after pill?


The local PP writes a prescription for the morning after pill with every BC prescription. That way if something happens and you want to really make sure you're not going to get pregnant, you don't have to make an appointment.

\Not that I can imagine a lot of non-rape scenarios where someone on BC already would think it's necessary, but I still see why they do it.
 
2012-11-27 01:33:05 PM  
We should really keep this to a mature discussion. For instance, I could say:

"To all of you saying that teens have sex 'get over it'. That's not really a valid argument. I want names! And phone numbers. A recent photo would be helpful too."

But I would never lower myself to say such a thing.
 
2012-11-27 01:33:06 PM  

akula: jst3p: So I can buy one without a scrip and keep it around just in case?

If you are over 18, then yes, you could.

Lawnchair: I still haven't figured out how normal BC pills still require a prescription while Plan B is OTC (over 18 anyway).

I've read that they're considering making birth control OTC. It would increase access (no doctor's appointment needed and likely also end it as a political football in insurance discussions (most insurance companies won't pay for OTC meds... you can get a prescription for them sometimes, but even then they're often so inexpensive they are under the copay... BC is something like nine bucks).

The hiccup is that some women can indeed have negative reactions to birth control pills. But then, as with any OTC med, if you have a problem, see your doctor.


The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...
 
2012-11-27 01:35:44 PM  
So, like buying a plunger before you need a plunger.
 
2012-11-27 01:35:58 PM  
I have mixed feelings about this. As a Christian, it makes me sad that society has come to this. As a honest and realistic Christian, I understand the temptation to get the schmickity schmackity. I'm engaged, and we have had pre-marital sex. I'm not proud of that, but at least I don't pretend I'm someone or something I'm not.

My fiancee has two great sons from her first marriage, 12 and 10 years old. I love them both to death, but I'm worried about what's going to happen with the youngest, as he reminds me of me at that age, but less willing to be disciplined, which he badly badly needs.

I honestly believe that abstinence is the best thing. Not because sex is evil, but because you need to build a serious relationship, a strong foundation to keep the relationship strong, and that can be near impossible to do if you become pregnant at an early age. The best relationships I've had were the ones where we agreed to wait. Unfortunately, because of the way society is today, it's getting harder and harder (no pun intended) to achieve that.

The future mrs stumpy and I want at least kid together, and we are both hoping it's a boy. I think, for whatever reason, life is just a little easier growing up for boys.

If we had a girl, would I want my little girl going on the pill? I honestly don't know. Am I condoning that behaviour I know is wrong, according to our beliefs, even though I have done the same thing? Or, am I just saying, ok, this is just an emergncy back up plan based on good intentions.

So difficult.

I don't know if I'm cut out for this parenting crap. I guess I know I'm a good person, I'm just really worried about screwing other people lives more than I already have.

I think it's time for a vasectomy, and to move in to some basement dwelling. My parents are dead, any farkers out there with parents looking for roomies?

I'm clean and keep to myself!
 
2012-11-27 01:38:35 PM  

Electromax: let humans be themselves


But these "humans" are less than 18 years old -- and female at that. It's our duty to treat them as non-people until at least one of those conditions is resolved; anything less is un(?:patriotic|godly|moral).
 
2012-11-27 01:40:06 PM  

Cythraul: From: Dad
To: Daddy's Little Whore


Coffee, keyboard, you know the drill...

/still laughing
 
2012-11-27 01:41:31 PM  

UncleStumpy: I have mixed feelings about this...
I honestly believe that abstinence is the best thing. Not because sex is evil, but because you need to build a serious relationship, a strong foundation to keep the relationship strong, and that can be near impossible to do if you become pregnant at an early age.


But, since the morning after pill is one way to avoid "becom[ing] pregnant at an early age," why do you have any mixed feelings? If your goal was advocating for avoiding pregnancy, then you'd be all for this. Instead, it seems like you're actually advocating for avoiding sex.
 
2012-11-27 01:42:44 PM  

Theaetetus: CygnusDarius: ... Sometimes, I fear big pharma. Not because of any conspiracy, but because they just want to make a quick buck.

This is one of those times. I'm not against protecting oneself from making any mistakes, but I think in the end, it's all about personal responsibility.

How is it encouraging personal responsibility to take away a responsible option?


I thought it was plain obvious that I don't like it. Sure, it'll help, but I like personal responsibility, it makes us grow up.
 
2012-11-27 01:43:05 PM  

philotech: The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...


The point is to have a backup incase the planned method fails, kinda why they call it "Plan B".
 
2012-11-27 01:43:22 PM  

UncleStumpy: I have mixed feelings about this. As a Christian,TLDR!


Kids need to be educated before they can do something about how to do something safely.
Otherwise, YOU are responsible for not warning them.
It's old tribal law.
White people have a different boogie man, because they aren't accountable for their crotch droppings.

If you worship a dead guy on a stick,
No wonder your kids are farking around behind your backs.
 
2012-11-27 01:44:17 PM  

BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.


You do know that it doesn't result in an abortion, but greatly lessens the chance of successful egg feteralization, right?

/not sure if serious
 
2012-11-27 01:45:00 PM  

philotech: I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option


I don't think spare tires should be taught as a valid car repair option.
 
2012-11-27 01:46:14 PM  

UncleStumpy: I honestly believe that abstinence is the best thing.


I appreciate that you are facing reality and trying to keep consistent with your faith but here is the result of expecting abstinence of your children.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-27 01:47:58 PM  

CygnusDarius: Theaetetus: CygnusDarius: ... Sometimes, I fear big pharma. Not because of any conspiracy, but because they just want to make a quick buck.

This is one of those times. I'm not against protecting oneself from making any mistakes, but I think in the end, it's all about personal responsibility.

How is it encouraging personal responsibility to take away a responsible option?

I thought it was plain obvious that I don't like it. Sure, it'll help, but I like personal responsibility, it makes us grow up.


No, it sounds like you're opposed to personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is a person taking responsibility for their own actions by making responsible decisions. You want to take away an option, leaving them with no ability to make responsible decisions and instead locked into a choice that you made. What do we call it when we make decisions for other people and don't let them make decisions for themselves? We call it taking away their personal responsibility.
 
2012-11-27 01:52:35 PM  

jst3p: philotech: The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...

The point is to have a backup incase the planned method fails, kinda why they call it "Plan B".


In that case, we should relabel coat hangers as Plan C and hand those out with Plan B, you know, just in case... (There is at least an 11% chance Plan B will not work)

What's the failure rate of Birth Control Pills + Condoms?

//How do they figure out that it is 89% effective? As far as I know, they can't tell if a girl is pregnant the morning after, so are they just taking credit every time someone has sex and does not get pregnant?
 
2012-11-27 01:53:32 PM  

jst3p: philotech: The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...

The point is to have a backup incase the planned method fails, kinda why they call it "Plan B".


There are some who use it as standard birth control. Why, I have no idea- the morning after pill costs a hell of a lot more than a month of regular BC... something like $50 vs. $9.

Once in a while I could see it, but some folks just aren't ever going to plan ahead. My wife (pharmacist) always orders more Plan B when the holiday season comes up- seems something about this time of year has a bunch of people getting their freak on without one little bit of foresight. I know how things can be in the heat of passion, but geez... you'd think that if you've had to go get it once or twice you'd take other steps. Apparently not.
 
2012-11-27 01:54:04 PM  

profplump: philotech: I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option

I don't think spare tires should be taught as a valid car repair option.


Nothing like a disingenuous analogy...
 
2012-11-27 01:55:07 PM  

Lawnchair: I still haven't figured out how normal BC pills still require a prescription while Plan B is OTC (over 18 anyway). The former will probably be OTC soon enough. Rather than bothering with the Plan B prescription for your under-18 child, you might just buy a box ("for Mom") and leave it in a readily-accessible medicine cabinet with no questions asked.

Probably the best thing I've had for recognizing teen sex was in a church (well, Unitarian) Sunday school class. We (11-year-olds, I think) all were handed a $5 bill. We were instructed to go in pairs to the grocery or drugstore, buy condoms, and bring them to next week's class. Compared labels and prices, etc. But, mostly, get over the "OMG someone will see me buying condoms" bit at a young age.


That's an incredibly good idea.

My sophomore Biology teacher decided that our textbook danced around human reproductive anatomy way too much (and I think rather suspected the coach who taught sex ed wasn't too up on male anatomy at least), so she added her own unit on reproduction. It was mostly very anatomy focused, but one day she did cover different birth control options. Lots of them we'd talked about in sex ed, but she had collected examples of this huge assortment of them.

After going through how each worked, she told us a little story about buying them: A near retirement-aged woman goes up to the check stand just loaded down with several sizes of male condoms, female condoms, sponges and spermicidal lube, and the high school-aged checker just smiles and asks her if she's having a party. That story made me less self-conscious about buying a box of condoms.
 
2012-11-27 01:57:40 PM  
My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...
 
2012-11-27 01:58:46 PM  

philotech: profplump: philotech: I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option

I don't think spare tires should be taught as a valid car repair option.

Nothing like a disingenuous analogy...


There are many things like a disingenuous analogy, High fructose plastic volcano paste for example.
 
2012-11-27 01:59:20 PM  

philotech: jst3p: philotech: The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...

The point is to have a backup incase the planned method fails, kinda why they call it "Plan B".

In that case, we should relabel coat hangers as Plan C


Thanks to Roe v Wade we don't have to!


and hand those out with Plan B, you know, just in case... (There is at least an 11% chance Plan B will not work)

What's the failure rate of Birth Control Pills + Condoms?


It is greater than zero, what is your point?
 
2012-11-27 01:59:26 PM  
Why "older" teens subby? Why not all teens?

For that matter, at what age is this not appropriate?

/have a daughter, curious about the Fark world's idea of when "it's" ok to start having sex and needing this pill
 
2012-11-27 02:02:05 PM  
This is the stupidest and most imoral solution Ive ever heard of in these GODDAMED OBAMA YEARS!!!. These pediatricishns obviously dont understand the LIFE these teenagers lead. YOU WANT A CHILD TO CARRY A PRESCRIPSHION FOR A POWERFUL DRUG FOR USE AFTER SEX!!?!?!?!?11? GOD KNOWS there is only one possible outcome for this scenario and it's not pretty and it's not one that you or anybody else on GODS GREEN EARTH wants to deal with. They'll lose it. Seriously, have you ever tried to get a teenager to hold on to anything? Have you seen their rooms? Put the shiat in vending machines at Wal-Mart and Walgreens, they can buy it when they need it. Q&D.
 
2012-11-27 02:02:47 PM  

Overfiend: Why "older" teens subby? Why not all teens?

For that matter, at what age is this not appropriate?

/have a daughter, curious about the Fark world's idea of when "it's" ok to start having sex and needing this pill


Depends is she hot? Is she dumb? To what degree? The more of each she is the earlier you should have a talk with her.
 
2012-11-27 02:03:48 PM  

philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...


As long as you keep them oiled a regular cleaning is paramount to their longevity.
 
2012-11-27 02:03:51 PM  

Overfiend: Why "older" teens subby? Why not all teens?

For that matter, at what age is this not appropriate?

/have a daughter, curious about the Fark world's idea of when "it's" ok to start having sex and needing this pill


Perhaps subby does not know the following words: breeding, fecund, fertile, fructiferous, fruitful, generating, pregnant, proliferant, prolific, propagating, reproducing, rich, spawning, teeming
 
2012-11-27 02:06:34 PM  

probesport: philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...

As long as you keep them oiled a regular cleaning is paramount to their longevity.


If the sister's boyfriend is a problem for the daughter, I fail to see how keeping him oiled will do a thing.
 
2012-11-27 02:13:54 PM  

vudukungfu: UncleStumpy: I have mixed feelings about this. As a Christian,TLDR! right back at ya.

Kids need to be educated before they can do something about how to do something safely.
Otherwise, YOU are responsible for not warning them.
It's old tribal law.
White people have a different boogie man, because they aren't accountable for their crotch droppings.

I agree with you on kids needing to be educated. As for being accountable, I am going to be the best man and person I can be, and lead as best I can. There's not much more I can do. I do believe too many people look for everyone else to blame these days. We are truly the society of "it's not my fault".

Not that you care, but I have no problem having people such as yourself thinking I'm a fool for my beliefs. I understand your thinking.

Have a good day

 
2012-11-27 02:15:08 PM  

jst3p: philotech: jst3p: philotech: The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...

The point is to have a backup incase the planned method fails, kinda why they call it "Plan B".

In that case, we should relabel coat hangers as Plan C

Thanks to Roe v Wade we don't have to!


and hand those out with Plan B, you know, just in case... (There is at least an 11% chance Plan B will not work)

What's the failure rate of Birth Control Pills + Condoms?

It is greater than zero, what is your point?


If you want to split hairs on methodology, just rename abortion Plan C...

Do you know many sane people that actively prepare for events with a near 0% chance of occurring? Do you hide in a rubber room during thunderstorms to ensure that you won't get struck by lightning? Condoms are 98% effective, Spermicidal lubricant is ~80% effective, the Pill is ~95% effective... Can any mathamalogical people out there compute the chance of all 3 of those failing simultaneously for me?
 
2012-11-27 02:18:33 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: probesport: philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...

As long as you keep them oiled a regular cleaning is paramount to their longevity.

If the sister's boyfriend is a problem for the daughter, I fail to see how keeping him oiled will do a thing.


Me fail English? That's unpossible...

What I meant to say is "her daughter and he daughter's boyfriend"...
 
2012-11-27 02:21:23 PM  
Good thing they kill HIV too
 
2012-11-27 02:23:27 PM  

jst3p: philotech: jst3p: philotech: The age was lowered to 17 in 2009.

I don't think this should be taught as a valid birth control option...

If you are not going to parent your child, give them birth control pills and teach them about condoms...

\\I really needed another reason to ignore the AAP...

The point is to have a backup incase the planned method fails, kinda why they call it "Plan B".

In that case, we should relabel coat hangers as Plan C

Thanks to Roe v Wade we don't have to!


and hand those out with Plan B, you know, just in case... (There is at least an 11% chance Plan B will not work)

What's the failure rate of Birth Control Pills + Condoms?

It is greater than zero, what is your point?


1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!
 
2012-11-27 02:23:56 PM  

philotech: If you want to split hairs on methodology, just rename abortion Plan C...

Do you know many sane people that actively prepare for events with a near 0% chance of occurring? Do you hide in a rubber room during thunderstorms to ensure that you won't get struck by lightning? Condoms are 98% effective, Spermicidal lubricant is ~80% effective, the Pill is ~95% effective... Can any mathamalogical people out there compute the chance of all 3 of those failing simultaneously for me?


People aren't perfect. We make mistakes. You really trust your teenager to use all three methods every single time? Hell, I never used more than one of those methods and I consider myself to be pretty intelligent.

It isn't a math problem, it is a human nature problem. People, particularly those who are under 20 and haven't fully devolped the part of their brain that is responsible for impulse control, don't always use their best judgement when hormones are involved.

If you don't think it is needed that's great. Don't use it. When I am counciling my daughter it will be one of the tools in the tool box. I will keep it on the table because I understand just a little bit about human nature.
 
2012-11-27 02:25:01 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!


So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?
 
2012-11-27 02:25:46 PM  

megarian: BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.

You do know that it doesn't result in an abortion, but greatly lessens the chance of successful egg feteralization, right?

/not sure if serious


Don't you know that anything that stops the natural process of reproduction is abortion? And obviously abortion=murder. Condoms, abstinence, sex education, woman's suffrage, all these things are forms or abortion. GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN.

/sorry about my Boobies, I try to be more obvious
//I originally thought calling the morning after pill abortion pills was a dead give away
 
2012-11-27 02:26:35 PM  

jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?


Did you miss that whole paragraph?
 
2012-11-27 02:28:31 PM  

Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?


Yeah, guess so.
 
2012-11-27 02:38:30 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!


When my wife and I were living in sin, we used condoms with a spermicide lubricant, and she was on the pill. Why? We had discussed it, and we decided that if we got pregnant, we would have the kid. We also didn't want to have kids then. So we took the proper precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. It's not really that hard of a concept.

I think human reproductive education should be taught from a very early age. Reproduction should hold no more mystery than breathing.
 
2012-11-27 02:42:06 PM  
Is there an expiration date for Morning After Pills? Do they have a shelf life of more than 12 months?
 
2012-11-27 02:46:19 PM  

BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.


8/10 I like a balanced troll, response quantity.
 
2012-11-27 02:51:01 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.


You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.
 
2012-11-27 02:53:36 PM  

jst3p: philotech: If you want to split hairs on methodology, just rename abortion Plan C...

Do you know many sane people that actively prepare for events with a near 0% chance of occurring? Do you hide in a rubber room during thunderstorms to ensure that you won't get struck by lightning? Condoms are 98% effective, Spermicidal lubricant is ~80% effective, the Pill is ~95% effective... Can any mathamalogical people out there compute the chance of all 3 of those failing simultaneously for me?

People aren't perfect. We make mistakes. You really trust your teenager to use all three methods every single time? Hell, I never used more than one of those methods and I consider myself to be pretty intelligent.

It isn't a math problem, it is a human nature problem. People, particularly those who are under 20 and haven't fully devolped the part of their brain that is responsible for impulse control, don't always use their best judgement when hormones are involved.

If you don't think it is needed that's great. Don't use it. When I am counciling my daughter it will be one of the tools in the tool box. I will keep it on the table because I understand just a little bit about human nature.


I totally support your right to do this, I just don't think doctors should be pushing it on children under 16.
 
2012-11-27 02:54:07 PM  

philotech: Nothing like a disingenuous analogy...


I don't understand why you think the analogy is disingenuous -- it's exactly as genuine as the original sentiment.

If we can't allow people to have secondary birth control options I don't understand why we'd allow them to have secondary tire options either. Clearly if you need either one you weren't properly prepared for the original activity and we should therefore punish you by making you do a disproportionate amount of work. It will teach you a lesson; something about how backups are attempts to thwart God's plans or unwanted children are the happiest children -- I forget the details but I'm sure it's important.
 
2012-11-27 02:55:14 PM  
Legally speaking is this not contributing to the delinquency of a minor? Just like giving them booze for a party?
 
2012-11-27 02:55:23 PM  

philotech: I just don't think doctors should be pushing it on children under 16.


Because children under 16 make the best parents?
 
2012-11-27 02:55:36 PM  

Gunny Walker: Is there an expiration date for Morning After Pills? Do they have a shelf life of more than 12 months?


I'm certain there's an expiration date. As to what it is I do not know. I would be surprised if it's less than a year from manufacture, but I really don't know.
 
2012-11-27 02:57:45 PM  

Virtue: Legally speaking is this not contributing to the delinquency of a minor? Just like giving them booze for a party?


Because giving people access to birth control is likely to lead to them having sex?
 
2012-11-27 03:02:22 PM  

profplump: Virtue: Legally speaking is this not contributing to the delinquency of a minor? Just like giving them booze for a party?

Because giving people access to birth control is likely to lead to them having sex?


We should supply our kids with drugs so that we know they come from trusted sources (dosing instructions are also valuable!),, there is no way having a bag of weed, cocaine, heroin, xanax, etc... will increase the likelihood of them using drugs... It will just ensure that they don't get drugs that are laced, fake, etc...
 
2012-11-27 03:05:16 PM  

philotech: jst3p: philotech: If you want to split hairs on methodology, just rename abortion Plan C...

Do you know many sane people that actively prepare for events with a near 0% chance of occurring? Do you hide in a rubber room during thunderstorms to ensure that you won't get struck by lightning? Condoms are 98% effective, Spermicidal lubricant is ~80% effective, the Pill is ~95% effective... Can any mathamalogical people out there compute the chance of all 3 of those failing simultaneously for me?

People aren't perfect. We make mistakes. You really trust your teenager to use all three methods every single time? Hell, I never used more than one of those methods and I consider myself to be pretty intelligent.

It isn't a math problem, it is a human nature problem. People, particularly those who are under 20 and haven't fully devolved the part of their brain that is responsible for impulse control, don't always use their best judgment when hormones are involved.

If you don't think it is needed that's great. Don't use it. When I am counseling my daughter it will be one of the tools in the tool box. I will keep it on the table because I understand just a little bit about human nature.

I totally support your right to do this, I just don't think doctors should be pushing it on children under 16.


Better they get pregnant? I am not sure I understand your position.
 
2012-11-27 03:05:33 PM  

profplump: Because giving people access to birth control is likely to lead to them having sex?


No because having sex under age 18 is a crime (in California) so if you give your children things that enable them to have sex(breaking the law) that meets the definition of contributing to the delinquency. This would not be applicable to Dr.'s due to medical privilege laws.....but could definitely be applied to parents
 
2012-11-27 03:06:11 PM  

profplump: philotech: I just don't think doctors should be pushing it on children under 16.

Because children under 16 make the best parents?


Because Parents should be allowed to parent...

\\If a doctor decided to talk to my daughter about that without my consent, a KHITBASH or KHITNASH would be on its way.
 
2012-11-27 03:07:38 PM  

philotech: We should supply our kids with drugs so that we know they come from trusted sources (dosing instructions are also valuable!),, there is no way having a bag of weed, cocaine, heroin, xanax, etc... will increase the likelihood of them using drugs... It will just ensure that they don't get drugs that are laced, fake, etc...


Run that by me again I totally don't see where your going with this.
 
2012-11-27 03:09:19 PM  

jst3p: philotech: jst3p: philotech: If you want to split hairs on methodology, just rename abortion Plan C...

Do you know many sane people that actively prepare for events with a near 0% chance of occurring? Do you hide in a rubber room during thunderstorms to ensure that you won't get struck by lightning? Condoms are 98% effective, Spermicidal lubricant is ~80% effective, the Pill is ~95% effective... Can any mathamalogical people out there compute the chance of all 3 of those failing simultaneously for me?

People aren't perfect. We make mistakes. You really trust your teenager to use all three methods every single time? Hell, I never used more than one of those methods and I consider myself to be pretty intelligent.

It isn't a math problem, it is a human nature problem. People, particularly those who are under 20 and haven't fully devolved the part of their brain that is responsible for impulse control, don't always use their best judgment when hormones are involved.

If you don't think it is needed that's great. Don't use it. When I am counseling my daughter it will be one of the tools in the tool box. I will keep it on the table because I understand just a little bit about human nature.

I totally support your right to do this, I just don't think doctors should be pushing it on children under 16.

Better they get pregnant? I am not sure I understand your position.


If they were dumb enough to ignore my advice on taking the pill and using condoms with spermicidal lubricant, they are gonna get a fast lesson on personal responsibility. Hopefully I won't fail as a parent and will never have to deal with that... I'm teaching my kids that actions have consequences and there is no easy free ride out of them.
 
2012-11-27 03:10:56 PM  

Virtue: Run that by me again I totally don't see where your going with this.


That is you put drugs in your child's pocket, they will more than likely try them... Didn't think it would be too hard to pull the meaning out of that...
 
2012-11-27 03:11:51 PM  
Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?
 
2012-11-27 03:13:28 PM  

philotech: That is you put drugs in your child's pocket, they will more than likely try them... Didn't think it would be too hard to pull the meaning out of that...


No that part I got....it was the rest of the analogy I have missed
 
2012-11-27 03:16:52 PM  

Virtue: philotech: That is you put drugs in your child's pocket, they will more than likely try them... Didn't think it would be too hard to pull the meaning out of that...

No that part I got....it was the rest of the analogy I have missed


Are you using a secret decoder ring? I don't see another analogy in there...
 
2012-11-27 03:17:01 PM  

philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?


I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.
 
2012-11-27 03:18:40 PM  

philotech: If they were dumb enough to ignore my advice on taking the pill and using condoms with spermicidal lubricant, they are gonna get a fast lesson on personal responsibility. Hopefully I won't fail as a parent and will never have to deal with that... I'm teaching my kids that actions have consequences and there is no easy free ride out of them.


Having Plan B on hand is something you use if the condom breaks, or if a woman realizes she forgot to take her pill that day or throws up a pill the next morning. It's the epitome of personal responsibility to have Plan B available if your primary preparations fail. Jesus, this is just another tool for being responsible and preventing the bad consequences you're trying to get your kids to avoid with the condoms and regular birth control pills.

If you're such a crappy parent that you can't possible explain how to properly use Plan B when giving your kid access to it, it's not our fault.
 
2012-11-27 03:20:22 PM  

philotech: If they were dumb enough to ignore my advice on taking the pill and using condoms with spermicidal lubricant, they are gonna get a fast lesson on personal responsibility.


Because that would be good for society, more kids "dumb" enough to meet your qualifiers as parents!


Hopefully I won't fail as a parent and will never have to deal with that... I'm teaching my kids that actions have consequences and there is no easy free ride out of them.

I hope, before they get old enough for this to become an issue, that you mature a little and realize that even the children of good parents will make mistakes from time to time, some of those mistakes will be big. It doesn't make you a bad parent.

In my opinion "Well, you were too dumb to do what I told you, the baby is your consequence!" is horrible parenting.
 
2012-11-27 03:27:36 PM  

Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.


I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.
 
2012-11-27 03:30:15 PM  

jst3p: philotech: If they were dumb enough to ignore my advice on taking the pill and using condoms with spermicidal lubricant, they are gonna get a fast lesson on personal responsibility.

Because that would be good for society, more kids "dumb" enough to meet your qualifiers as parents!


Hopefully I won't fail as a parent and will never have to deal with that... I'm teaching my kids that actions have consequences and there is no easy free ride out of them.

I hope, before they get old enough for this to become an issue, that you mature a little and realize that even the children of good parents will make mistakes from time to time, some of those mistakes will be big. It doesn't make you a bad parent.

In my opinion "Well, you were too dumb to do what I told you, the baby is your consequence!" is horrible parenting.


I think you farked up, so just kill it, is worse... 6 or a half dozen...
 
2012-11-27 03:33:39 PM  

philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.


Ah, so you think Plan B is RU 486. It is not. RU 486 is the abortion pill you were thinking of. Plan B is simply a larger dose of birth control pill hormones that work the same way regular birth control pills work: by stopping the release of an egg. No egg, no possibility of fertilization.

There are some concerns about it preventing a fertilized egg from implanting, but that isn't an abortion either, as a pregnancy doesn't medically start until implantation. I haven't seen any good sources claiming this happens, though.

If an egg is already implanted, and a pregnancy has started, Plan B has no effect.

So, you are not giving your daughter abortion pills if you give her Plan B. You're just giving her another tool to use to prevent pregnancy if her primary methods fail for whatever reason.
 
2012-11-27 03:35:17 PM  

philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...


So you and your sister are basically threatening the kid with being shot? He should run away from your family.
 
2012-11-27 03:37:41 PM  

philotech: jst3p: philotech: If they were dumb enough to ignore my advice on taking the pill and using condoms with spermicidal lubricant, they are gonna get a fast lesson on personal responsibility.

Because that would be good for society, more kids "dumb" enough to meet your qualifiers as parents!


Hopefully I won't fail as a parent and will never have to deal with that... I'm teaching my kids that actions have consequences and there is no easy free ride out of them.

I hope, before they get old enough for this to become an issue, that you mature a little and realize that even the children of good parents will make mistakes from time to time, some of those mistakes will be big. It doesn't make you a bad parent.

In my opinion "Well, you were too dumb to do what I told you, the baby is your consequence!" is horrible parenting.

I think you farked up, so just kill it, is worse... 6 or a half dozen...


Plan B doesn't kill anything. It prevents the egg from being fertilized but does not prevent a fertilized egg from attaching.

Link

I know conservatives are pushing the talking point that it is an abortion pill but facts say otherwise.

The more you know....
 
2012-11-27 03:38:42 PM  

jst3p: 20 and haven't fully devolped the part of their brain that is responsible for impulse control,


Are you saying that kids are just dumb or that there's an actual biological reason?
 
2012-11-27 03:39:33 PM  
Nope, I know the difference, I just respect the right of a person to define when life begins and raise their children with that belief until they are old enough to fully understand mortality and form their own opinion on the subject.

\\Personally I don't think Plan B is abortion, but that doesn't make it right for a doctor to offer it to my child without my consent. I actually believe that abortion should become illegal around 12 weeks (with many exceptions)
 
2012-11-27 03:40:51 PM  

Jument: philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...

So you and your sister are basically threatening the kid with being shot? He should run away from your family.


Not at all, I was just cleaning my guns, what lesson he gleans from the experience is totally up to him.
 
2012-11-27 03:44:04 PM  

jst3p: Plan B doesn't kill anything. It prevents the egg from being fertilized but does not prevent a fertilized egg from attaching.

Link

I know conservatives are pushing the talking point that it is an abortion pill but facts say otherwise.

The more you know....


See number 9

The more you know...
 
2012-11-27 03:49:37 PM  
Heard from a friend of a friend....

"They should put something in the water that would not allow either partner to allow the egg to be fertilized... then when you want to become pregnant, BOTH of the parents would be required to take a pill to disable the pregger blocker".

Good idea if you ask me.
 
2012-11-27 03:52:01 PM  

philotech: jst3p: Plan B doesn't kill anything. It prevents the egg from being fertilized but does not prevent a fertilized egg from attaching.

Link

I know conservatives are pushing the talking point that it is an abortion pill but facts say otherwise.

The more you know....

See number 9

The more you know...


Web MD? LOL


"These medications are there to prevent or delay ovulation," said Dr. Petra M. Casey, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Mayo. "They don't act after fertilization."


Link

I will go with the Doctor at the Mayo clinic.
 
2012-11-27 03:52:21 PM  

philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.


Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.
 
2012-11-27 03:55:06 PM  
I can tell I'm in work mode.

The headline registered as a data backup plan and my immediate response was, "Just get Mozy Pro or an external USB hard drive for the spoiled little sharts!"

I need to step away from the computer for a bit...
 
2012-11-27 03:59:45 PM  
Over 100 posts and not one single pic of hot teem girls???
 
2012-11-27 04:06:23 PM  

Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.

Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.


Do you consider Overdosing on heroin a private medical issue between her and her doctor too?
 
2012-11-27 04:16:25 PM  

philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.

Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.

Do you consider Overdosing on heroin a private medical issue between her and her doctor too?


Yes. The doctor also has an ethical duty to commit her since she's a harm to herself. That doesn't apply to either pregnancy or abortion.

Your turn - would you prevent her from getting care if she was ODing on heroin, or kick the doctor in the nuts or box if he or she tried to help her? If not, why do you think it's an apt analogy for what we're discussing here?
 
2012-11-27 04:22:07 PM  

Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.

Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.

Do you consider Overdosing on heroin a private medical issue between her and her doctor too?

Yes. The doctor also has an ethical duty to commit her since she's a harm to herself. That doesn't apply to either pregnancy or abortion.

Your turn - would you prevent her from getting care if she was ODing on heroin, or kick the doctor in the nuts or box if he or she tried to help her? If not, why do you think it's an apt analogy for what we're discussing here?


His daughter's body clearly belongs to him! Why do you want to stick your nose into a private conversation between him and her doctor about her healthcare?
 
2012-11-27 05:10:04 PM  

spacemonkeygrif: Heard from a friend of a friend....

"They should put something in the water that would not allow either partner to allow the egg to be fertilized... then when you want to become pregnant, BOTH of the parents would be required to take a pill to disable the pregger blocker".

Good idea if you ask me.


In most ways I LOVE this idea. Except 1: you're essentially forcing birth control on people. This would be a particular issue for those who are religious and don't believe in the use of such medications.

They don't have the right to force me to worship their imaginary friend so I don't have a right to force them to abandon their belief in not preventing pregnancy through chemical means.
 
2012-11-27 05:30:46 PM  

philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.


Just got those numbers from a pharma. site. WTF do those people know? http://www.rxlist.com/next-choice-drug/clinical-pharmacology.htm
 
2012-11-27 05:34:08 PM  

jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.


Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).
 
2012-11-27 07:11:29 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.

Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).


I think him admitting to missing that paragraph is also him indicating he agrees with you.
 
2012-11-27 09:05:00 PM  

Theaetetus: Yes. The doctor also has an ethical duty to commit her since she's a harm to herself. That doesn't apply to either pregnancy or abortion.

Your turn - would you prevent her from getting care if she was ODing on heroin, or kick the doctor in the nuts or box if he or she tried to help her? If not, why do you think it's an apt analogy for what we're discussing here?


My point was that a child does not have private medical issues between them and the doctor. The parent is responsible for all medical decisions until 18, Don't you think it's important for a parent to know if their 14 year old is pregnant?
 
2012-11-27 09:10:00 PM  
For the dumb dick

jst3p: "These medications are there to prevent or delay ovulation," said Dr. Petra M. Casey, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Mayo. "They don't act after fertilization."

Link

I will go with the Doctor at the Mayo clinic.


Why don't you try going to the source, which once again, contradicts your belief that it does not prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. Thanks for playing.
 
2012-11-27 09:11:46 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.

Just got those numbers from a pharma. site. WTF do those people know? http://www.rxlist.com/next-choice-drug/clinical-pharmacology.htm


And you should go to the source as well... 7 out of 8 is nowhere near 99%... Better luck next time.
 
2012-11-27 10:52:47 PM  

BigBooper: megarian: BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.

You do know that it doesn't result in an abortion, but greatly lessens the chance of successful egg feteralization, right?

/not sure if serious

Don't you know that anything that stops the natural process of reproduction is abortion? And obviously abortion=murder. Condoms, abstinence, sex education, woman's suffrage, all these things are forms or abortion. GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN.

/sorry about my Boobies, I try to be more obvious
//I originally thought calling the morning after pill abortion pills was a dead give away


Mmmm boobies and abortion pills.

Good name for a punk rock band.

/not sure if I'm serious.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:20 PM  

philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.

Just got those numbers from a pharma. site. WTF do those people know? http://www.rxlist.com/next-choice-drug/clinical-pharmacology.htm

And you should go to the source as well... 7 out of 8 is nowhere near 99%... Better luck next time.


So your point is that you are a pedantic dick, or did you have something to add to the conversation?
 
2012-11-27 11:57:44 PM  

LazarusLong42: herrDrFarkenstein: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.

Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).

I think him admitting to missing that paragraph is also him indicating he agrees with you.


Este.
 
2012-11-28 01:00:39 AM  

philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...


Having had this same exact situation happen to me when I was a teen and picking up my girlfriend for a date I can state unequivocally that vague gun threats do not work.
 
2012-11-28 06:24:51 AM  

jst3p: LazarusLong42: herrDrFarkenstein: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.

Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).

I think him admitting to missing that paragraph is also him indicating he agrees with you.

Este.


Claro.
 
2012-11-28 08:24:38 AM  
chastity belts - they still make 'em
for the more traditional father.
 
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