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2012-11-27 03:33:39 PM

philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.


Ah, so you think Plan B is RU 486. It is not. RU 486 is the abortion pill you were thinking of. Plan B is simply a larger dose of birth control pill hormones that work the same way regular birth control pills work: by stopping the release of an egg. No egg, no possibility of fertilization.

There are some concerns about it preventing a fertilized egg from implanting, but that isn't an abortion either, as a pregnancy doesn't medically start until implantation. I haven't seen any good sources claiming this happens, though.

If an egg is already implanted, and a pregnancy has started, Plan B has no effect.

So, you are not giving your daughter abortion pills if you give her Plan B. You're just giving her another tool to use to prevent pregnancy if her primary methods fail for whatever reason.
 
2012-11-27 03:35:17 PM

philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...


So you and your sister are basically threatening the kid with being shot? He should run away from your family.
 
2012-11-27 03:37:41 PM

philotech: jst3p: philotech: If they were dumb enough to ignore my advice on taking the pill and using condoms with spermicidal lubricant, they are gonna get a fast lesson on personal responsibility.

Because that would be good for society, more kids "dumb" enough to meet your qualifiers as parents!


Hopefully I won't fail as a parent and will never have to deal with that... I'm teaching my kids that actions have consequences and there is no easy free ride out of them.

I hope, before they get old enough for this to become an issue, that you mature a little and realize that even the children of good parents will make mistakes from time to time, some of those mistakes will be big. It doesn't make you a bad parent.

In my opinion "Well, you were too dumb to do what I told you, the baby is your consequence!" is horrible parenting.

I think you farked up, so just kill it, is worse... 6 or a half dozen...


Plan B doesn't kill anything. It prevents the egg from being fertilized but does not prevent a fertilized egg from attaching.

Link

I know conservatives are pushing the talking point that it is an abortion pill but facts say otherwise.

The more you know....
 
2012-11-27 03:38:42 PM

jst3p: 20 and haven't fully devolped the part of their brain that is responsible for impulse control,


Are you saying that kids are just dumb or that there's an actual biological reason?
 
2012-11-27 03:39:33 PM
Nope, I know the difference, I just respect the right of a person to define when life begins and raise their children with that belief until they are old enough to fully understand mortality and form their own opinion on the subject.

\\Personally I don't think Plan B is abortion, but that doesn't make it right for a doctor to offer it to my child without my consent. I actually believe that abortion should become illegal around 12 weeks (with many exceptions)
 
2012-11-27 03:40:51 PM

Jument: philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...

So you and your sister are basically threatening the kid with being shot? He should run away from your family.


Not at all, I was just cleaning my guns, what lesson he gleans from the experience is totally up to him.
 
2012-11-27 03:44:04 PM

jst3p: Plan B doesn't kill anything. It prevents the egg from being fertilized but does not prevent a fertilized egg from attaching.

Link

I know conservatives are pushing the talking point that it is an abortion pill but facts say otherwise.

The more you know....


See number 9

The more you know...
 
2012-11-27 03:49:37 PM
Heard from a friend of a friend....

"They should put something in the water that would not allow either partner to allow the egg to be fertilized... then when you want to become pregnant, BOTH of the parents would be required to take a pill to disable the pregger blocker".

Good idea if you ask me.
 
2012-11-27 03:52:01 PM

philotech: jst3p: Plan B doesn't kill anything. It prevents the egg from being fertilized but does not prevent a fertilized egg from attaching.

Link

I know conservatives are pushing the talking point that it is an abortion pill but facts say otherwise.

The more you know....

See number 9

The more you know...


Web MD? LOL


"These medications are there to prevent or delay ovulation," said Dr. Petra M. Casey, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Mayo. "They don't act after fertilization."


Link

I will go with the Doctor at the Mayo clinic.
 
2012-11-27 03:52:21 PM

philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.


Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.
 
2012-11-27 03:55:06 PM
I can tell I'm in work mode.

The headline registered as a data backup plan and my immediate response was, "Just get Mozy Pro or an external USB hard drive for the spoiled little sharts!"

I need to step away from the computer for a bit...
 
2012-11-27 03:59:45 PM
Over 100 posts and not one single pic of hot teem girls???
 
2012-11-27 04:06:23 PM

Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.

Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.


Do you consider Overdosing on heroin a private medical issue between her and her doctor too?
 
2012-11-27 04:16:25 PM

philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.

Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.

Do you consider Overdosing on heroin a private medical issue between her and her doctor too?


Yes. The doctor also has an ethical duty to commit her since she's a harm to herself. That doesn't apply to either pregnancy or abortion.

Your turn - would you prevent her from getting care if she was ODing on heroin, or kick the doctor in the nuts or box if he or she tried to help her? If not, why do you think it's an apt analogy for what we're discussing here?
 
2012-11-27 04:22:07 PM

Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Theaetetus: philotech: Damn... How did I become the center of this thread...

\\Where can I find a religious zealot farker to step in here?

I thought you were one, with the whole "I'll physically assault a doctor who talks to my daughter about issues with her body without my consent! I own that body!" thing.

I think you ran passed my intended point. Let me restate it. He can talk to her all he wants about her body and how it works, I draw the line when he goes from how to prevent a pregnancy to how to end one.

Ah, so when she has a private medical issue between her and her doctor where timely action is required, that's when you want to physically assault the doctor and present as many impediments to her getting treatment as possible.
I'm not sure restating your point helps you look like less of a controlling dick.

Do you consider Overdosing on heroin a private medical issue between her and her doctor too?

Yes. The doctor also has an ethical duty to commit her since she's a harm to herself. That doesn't apply to either pregnancy or abortion.

Your turn - would you prevent her from getting care if she was ODing on heroin, or kick the doctor in the nuts or box if he or she tried to help her? If not, why do you think it's an apt analogy for what we're discussing here?


His daughter's body clearly belongs to him! Why do you want to stick your nose into a private conversation between him and her doctor about her healthcare?
 
2012-11-27 05:10:04 PM

spacemonkeygrif: Heard from a friend of a friend....

"They should put something in the water that would not allow either partner to allow the egg to be fertilized... then when you want to become pregnant, BOTH of the parents would be required to take a pill to disable the pregger blocker".

Good idea if you ask me.


In most ways I LOVE this idea. Except 1: you're essentially forcing birth control on people. This would be a particular issue for those who are religious and don't believe in the use of such medications.

They don't have the right to force me to worship their imaginary friend so I don't have a right to force them to abandon their belief in not preventing pregnancy through chemical means.
 
2012-11-27 05:30:46 PM

philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.


Just got those numbers from a pharma. site. WTF do those people know? http://www.rxlist.com/next-choice-drug/clinical-pharmacology.htm
 
2012-11-27 05:34:08 PM

jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.


Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).
 
2012-11-27 07:11:29 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.

Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).


I think him admitting to missing that paragraph is also him indicating he agrees with you.
 
2012-11-27 09:05:00 PM

Theaetetus: Yes. The doctor also has an ethical duty to commit her since she's a harm to herself. That doesn't apply to either pregnancy or abortion.

Your turn - would you prevent her from getting care if she was ODing on heroin, or kick the doctor in the nuts or box if he or she tried to help her? If not, why do you think it's an apt analogy for what we're discussing here?


My point was that a child does not have private medical issues between them and the doctor. The parent is responsible for all medical decisions until 18, Don't you think it's important for a parent to know if their 14 year old is pregnant?
 
2012-11-27 09:10:00 PM
For the dumb dick

jst3p: "These medications are there to prevent or delay ovulation," said Dr. Petra M. Casey, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Mayo. "They don't act after fertilization."

Link

I will go with the Doctor at the Mayo clinic.


Why don't you try going to the source, which once again, contradicts your belief that it does not prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. Thanks for playing.
 
2012-11-27 09:11:46 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.

Just got those numbers from a pharma. site. WTF do those people know? http://www.rxlist.com/next-choice-drug/clinical-pharmacology.htm


And you should go to the source as well... 7 out of 8 is nowhere near 99%... Better luck next time.
 
2012-11-27 10:52:47 PM

BigBooper: megarian: BigBooper: Grapple: Teens have sex. Get over it.

Recognizing that teens have sex, does not mean that we should be handing out abortion pills like a pedo hands out free candy.

You do know that it doesn't result in an abortion, but greatly lessens the chance of successful egg feteralization, right?

/not sure if serious

Don't you know that anything that stops the natural process of reproduction is abortion? And obviously abortion=murder. Condoms, abstinence, sex education, woman's suffrage, all these things are forms or abortion. GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN.

/sorry about my Boobies, I try to be more obvious
//I originally thought calling the morning after pill abortion pills was a dead give away


Mmmm boobies and abortion pills.

Good name for a punk rock band.

/not sure if I'm serious.
 
2012-11-27 10:56:20 PM

philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: philotech: herrDrFarkenstein: 30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

You might want to check your numbers... Plan B has an 89% success rate.

Just got those numbers from a pharma. site. WTF do those people know? http://www.rxlist.com/next-choice-drug/clinical-pharmacology.htm

And you should go to the source as well... 7 out of 8 is nowhere near 99%... Better luck next time.


So your point is that you are a pedantic dick, or did you have something to add to the conversation?
 
2012-11-27 11:57:44 PM

LazarusLong42: herrDrFarkenstein: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.

Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).

I think him admitting to missing that paragraph is also him indicating he agrees with you.


Este.
 
2012-11-28 01:00:39 AM

philotech: My sister was worried about her daughter and boyfriend, so I had her bring them over while I was cleaning my guns... I guess we'll see how effective that is over the next few years...


Having had this same exact situation happen to me when I was a teen and picking up my girlfriend for a date I can state unequivocally that vague gun threats do not work.
 
2012-11-28 06:24:51 AM

jst3p: LazarusLong42: herrDrFarkenstein: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: herrDrFarkenstein: 1,000,000 condoms used at 97% success when done properly.

30,000 plan B pills used at 99% success rate when done properly.

300 women each have ~5% chance of becoming pregnant

15 abortions or other procedures MIGHT be sought ... out of a population of 1,000,000 having safe sex and with legal access to effective contraceptive methods.

THESE NUMBERS ALSO ASSUME WOMEN WHO ARE NOT USING SOME OTHER METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL!

So now I will ask you, what is your point? That there is no need for these pills?

Did you miss that whole paragraph?

Yeah, guess so.

Not sure if serious. People should have a spectrum of BC options freely and widely available, starting with pills n' rubbers, followed by Plan B for dangerous mistakes. Abortions on demand for those who still need them I say (and before you cry a river it would be effectively 0).

I think him admitting to missing that paragraph is also him indicating he agrees with you.

Este.


Claro.
 
2012-11-28 08:24:38 AM
chastity belts - they still make 'em
for the more traditional father.
 
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