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2012-11-27 07:38:16 AM
Roll tide.
 
2012-11-27 07:48:22 AM
Notre Dame is "back for good?" It's been a very good season, but just man up and admit that they also got lucky enough to hit every major program on their schedule during a weak season.
 
2012-11-27 07:48:32 AM

mycatisposter: Roll tide.


No, Go Dawgs.

And didn't we have this same article after Weiss won his first year? They aren't back until multiple seasons....
 
2012-11-27 07:51:00 AM

steamingpile: And didn't we have this same article after Weiss won his first year? They aren't back until multiple seasons....


Well to be fair, Weiss never played for the Championship, and if they actually win it should be a big boost to recruiting.

However, more importantly, was the obvious tag broken?
 
2012-11-27 07:57:42 AM
cache0.bigcartel.com
 
2012-11-27 07:59:39 AM

mycatisposter: Roll tide.


Oh they'll be rolled all right.

/Never understood the wide appeal of Alabama football. Almost every other team with a national following plays for a nationally recognized and respected university -- Michigan and Ohio State are CIC members, and Notre Dame is a huge academic force too; Southern Cal is the university every star-eyed kid who wants to move to LA wants to attend; Florida State is a public Ivy, even LSU is a very respectable school. Alabama is none of those things, and they don't have a student draw from much outside the state -- what is the appeal?
 
2012-11-27 08:03:30 AM
The absolute awesomeness of this years NCG is that if ND wins, the SEC will be exposed as overrated and if the SEC team wins, ND gets exposed as overrated.

/win win

//Notre Dame sucks
 
2012-11-27 08:06:37 AM

kwame: Notre Dame is "back for good?" It's been a very good season, but just man up and admit that they also got lucky enough to hit every major program on their schedule during a weak season.


Didnt they benefit from a few friendly calls also?
 
2012-11-27 08:10:40 AM
You say that as if the hype has ever stopped
 
2012-11-27 08:11:05 AM

Gunny Highway: Didnt they benefit from a few friendly calls also?


Doesn't everybody?

Though the call the ND-haters are most up in arms about (the game-ender against Stanford) was pretty clearly correct once you could look at it from all the angles. The runner had both lost forward progress and his elbow was down.

But seriously, people: every team benefits from a few close calls every season; and people remember the close calls that go against their team far more than the close calls that benefit them. (Except me... I can never remember any of them unless other people can't farking shut up about da refs).
 
2012-11-27 08:11:28 AM
I just love how they were not considered by most to even be top 10 rated anywhere in the season. Watching the critics try to explain it has a lot of entertainment value.
 
2012-11-27 08:14:26 AM

Zagloba: Gunny Highway: Didnt they benefit from a few friendly calls also?

Doesn't everybody?



Of course. I guess when they are on national television they stand out.
 
2012-11-27 08:14:45 AM

pkellmey: I just love how they were not considered by most to even be top 10 rated anywhere in the season. Watching the critics try to explain it has a lot of entertainment value.


I know that this isn't the politics tab, but if this season hasn't completely exposed the value-subtracted that is the punditocracy, I don't know what could.
 
2012-11-27 08:15:16 AM
Haters gonna hate, as the kids say.
 
2012-11-27 08:16:58 AM

kwame: Notre Dame is "back for good?" It's been a very good season, but just man up and admit that they also got lucky enough to hit every major program on their schedule during a weak season.


Stanford.. would beg to differ
 
2012-11-27 08:24:59 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-27 08:27:46 AM
a.espncdn.com
 
2012-11-27 08:28:25 AM

Eraic: kwame: Notre Dame is "back for good?" It's been a very good season, but just man up and admit that they also got lucky enough to hit every major program on their schedule during a weak season.

Stanford.. would beg to differ


Still wearing that tin foil hat, I see.
 
2012-11-27 08:33:30 AM
Notre Dame barely beat unranked Pitt in 3 overtimes and slipped by Stanford in OT as well.
If this eater of cupcakes becomes national champion, it'll cement for eternity the lameness of the current BCS system.
 
2012-11-27 08:35:00 AM
Alabama is (1-5) against Notre Dame, Bear Bryant was (0-4) against Notre Dame


All games
1987/11/14 Alabama 6 - Notre Dame 37 L
1986/10/04 Alabama 28 - Notre Dame 10 W
1980/11/15 Alabama 0 - Notre Dame 7 L
1976/11/13 Alabama 18 - Notre Dame 21 L
1975/01/01 Alabama 11 - Notre Dame 13 L !! Orange Bowl !!
1973/12/31 Alabama 23 - Notre Dame 24 L !! Sugar Bowl !!
 
2012-11-27 08:37:07 AM

Kurmudgeon: Notre Dame barely beat unranked Pitt in 3 overtimes and slipped by Stanford in OT as well.
If this eater of cupcakes becomes national champion, it'll cement for eternity the lameness of the current BCS system.


Notre Dame won all of their games, nobody else did. They also played a legit team every week, no SEC team did. Every SEC team essentially gets 4 byes a year.
 
2012-11-27 08:37:37 AM
 
2012-11-27 08:38:38 AM
I hate the Notre Dame fans who root for them simply because they're 1/4 Irish and/or might be just slightly Catholic.
 
2012-11-27 08:39:13 AM

Zagloba: mycatisposter: Roll tide.

Oh they'll be rolled all right.

/Never understood the wide appeal of Alabama football. Almost every other team with a national following plays for a nationally recognized and respected university -- Michigan and Ohio State are CIC members, and Notre Dame is a huge academic force too; Southern Cal is the university every star-eyed kid who wants to move to LA wants to attend; Florida State is a public Ivy, even LSU is a very respectable school. Alabama is none of those things, and they don't have a student draw from much outside the state -- what is the appeal?


Tons of hot, loose southern women.
 
2012-11-27 08:45:13 AM

mjohnson71: I hate the Notre Dame fans who root for them simply because they're 1/4 Irish and/or might be just slightly Catholic.


Getting a kick then.

\1/4 Irish
\\graduate of a Catholic college
\\\though on the other side of things, I'm also a New Englander, which means we have zero college tradition
\\\\i.e., who the fark else am I supposed to root for??
 
2012-11-27 08:45:54 AM

greenbowlpacker: Tons of hot, loose southern women.


If you attend Alabama, sure. But none of those loose women have ever showed up to reward my friends for sitting on their couches and cheering for the Tide.

Gunny Highway: Of course. I guess when they are on national television they stand out.


Take a look in the mirror. You are why ND is relevant, and will stay relevant. You are the product they are selling to the advertising agencies -- because even if you hate them, you can't look away, every week hoping for a leprechaun-size dose of schadenfreude.

And it'll come, of course, because it comes for everyone. And you'll still watch after that.
 
2012-11-27 08:46:40 AM

mjohnson71: I hate the Notre Dame fans who root for them simply because they're 1/4 Irish and/or might be just slightly Catholic.


...is this real? I always assumed people just liked them because they were a national team.
 
2012-11-27 08:49:59 AM

Zagloba: Take a look in the mirror. You are why ND is relevant, and will stay relevant. You are the product they are selling to the advertising agencies -- because even if you hate them, you can't look away, every week hoping for a leprechaun-size dose of schadenfreude.

And it'll come, of course, because it comes for everyone. And you'll still watch after that.


Wow you have it all figured out. How simple and meaningless my life is. Just a pawn of the advertisers and petty man rooting for failure.
 
2012-11-27 08:52:04 AM

mjohnson71: I hate the Notre Dame fans who root for them simply because they're 1/4 Irish and/or might be just slightly Catholic.


I'm a quarter Irish, technically Catholic -- oh, but my degree from there probably tips the scales a bit.

However, even I'm not delusional enough to think that ND is back "for good". In college football, nobody is ever eternally good -- you have a complete personnel turnover every four years. You have traditional powerhouses, but they're just traditional -- there's nothing magical about anybody's uniforms. How long ago were we talking about USC being an eternal dynasty? What about Miami? Texas? Anybody out of the Big 8?
 
2012-11-27 08:52:14 AM

greenbowlpacker: They also played a legit team every week


Pitt, BYU, and Purdue would like a word
 
2012-11-27 08:54:20 AM

Zagloba: mycatisposter: Roll tide.

Oh they'll be rolled all right.

/Never understood the wide appeal of Alabama football. Almost every other team with a national following plays for a nationally recognized and respected university -- Michigan and Ohio State are CIC members, and Notre Dame is a huge academic force too; Southern Cal is the university every star-eyed kid who wants to move to LA wants to attend; Florida State is a public Ivy, even LSU is a very respectable school. Alabama is none of those things, and they don't have a student draw from much outside the state -- what is the appeal?


Really? Alabama football surpasses any other thing in college football. SEC football surpasses any thing in other college football. Deal with it. I'm no Alabama football fan, but the national title has not left Alabama in 3 years, and probably won't this year either. And to say that the university of Alabama is a bad school, that's just wrong. A very good school, on par with any state school in the nation. Sounds like you are in denial.
 
2012-11-27 08:54:37 AM

The Slush: greenbowlpacker: They also played a legit team every week

Pitt, BYU, and Purdue would like a word


Western Kentucky, Florida International and Western Carolina would like to have the same word.
 
2012-11-27 08:56:06 AM

The Slush: greenbowlpacker: They also played a legit team every week

Pitt, BYU, and Purdue would like a word


The point is, if any of those teams won all their games, they would be in the national title discussion. They played only teams in a major conference, or other independents.
 
2012-11-27 08:59:14 AM
Why, have they joined a conference and become relevant?
 
2012-11-27 09:02:06 AM
i1247.photobucket.com

I will just leave this here.....
 
2012-11-27 09:04:54 AM
"Notre Dame football is nationally relevant again and probably will be for a long time."

Stopped reading the moment I saw this cliche speculation. Also because this is the same recycled ND is back for good garbage I read in both '02 and '06 after ND went 10-3. ND fans love to pretend all those 6-6 and 8-5 seasons in between never happened.
 
2012-11-27 09:10:56 AM

mjohnson71: I hate the Notre Dame fans who root for them simply because they're 1/4 Irish and/or might be just slightly Catholic.


It's a great deal less pronounced now, but historically there was a great deal of anti-Catholic bigotry in this country. When JFK ran for President much was made of whether or not a Catholic could be President. Notre Dame was blackballed from the Big 10 partially due to anti-Catholic sentiment. Although progress has been made in this area it made sense for Catholics to identify with, and root for, what was essentially a national Catholic university.
 
2012-11-27 09:12:33 AM
Well, I suppose we could talk about shiatty teams instead, but we save that for Cowboys threads.
 
2012-11-27 09:14:04 AM

JosephFinn: Why, have they joined a conference and become relevant?



Still haven't learned your history, huh. Do you take pride in ignorance?
 
2012-11-27 09:14:22 AM

JosephFinn: Why, have they joined a conference and become relevant?


I'm always amused by this argument. Why must they join a conference to become relevant? I want to hear your explanation.

Of course, I'm willing to bet your explanation is "LOLITROLLYOU!"
 
2012-11-27 09:18:41 AM

greenbowlpacker: Alabama is (1-5) against Notre Dame, Bear Bryant was (0-4) against Notre Dame


All games
1987/11/14 Alabama 6 - Notre Dame 37 L
1986/10/04 Alabama 28 - Notre Dame 10 W
1980/11/15 Alabama 0 - Notre Dame 7 L
1976/11/13 Alabama 18 - Notre Dame 21 L
1975/01/01 Alabama 11 - Notre Dame 13 L !! Orange Bowl !!
1973/12/31 Alabama 23 - Notre Dame 24 L !! Sugar Bowl !!


This alabama team is not even close to those alabama teams. This alabama team is basically an NFL team. I think ND gets absolutely drilled. They don't have the offense to remain even close in that game.
 
2012-11-27 09:22:35 AM
Oh they'll be rolled all right.

/Never understood the wide appeal of Alabama football. Almost every other team with a national following plays for a nationally recognized and respected university -- Michigan and Ohio State are CIC members, and Notre Dame is a huge academic force too; Southern Cal is the university every star-eyed kid who wants to move to LA wants to attend; Florida State is a public Ivy, even LSU is a very respectable school. Alabama is none of those things, and they don't have a student draw from much outside the state -- what is the appeal?


According to US News, the University of Alabama is ranked higher than both Florida State and LSU.
Also bear in mind that there are something like 1200 colleges and universities in this country and unless you go to one at the very top or the bottom, it really doesn't matter where you went to school. Having a degree from Ohio State (56) does not make you any smarter than having a degree from Alabama (77) or Florida State (97) or even LSU (134). Most of the time, selections of schools like that come down to geography more than prestige. Yes, Michigan (29), Southern Cal (24), and Notre Dame (17) are very good schools, but the only real advantage they have over the large state universities is national recognition, and I'd argue that only really holds true for Notre Dame. Does it pay for someone from Alabama to travel to Ohio or South Bend for school and incur the extra cost? Usually not because that degree from a "better" university isn't going to translate into a significantly higher earning potential. It's more important the Alabama student study something valuable than studying something worthless at a "better" school. So maybe Alabama is not respectable to YOU, but it's a perfectly good university for 99% of the people who want to go to school.

/not an alum
 
2012-11-27 09:24:12 AM

Hardy-r-r: For truthfulness look at strength of schedule


Truthfulness from a site that conveniently leaves out FCS teams, inflating schools' strength of schedule? Nice try. A&M did not have the second hardest schedule in FBS this year - not with two FCS cupcakes.

And as a side note, I'm sure glad we'll have to endure the same ND v. 'Bama arguments for FIVE weeks. Thanks, bowl system! Instead of a new round of playoffs and new match-ups each week, we get hammered over the head with the same tired storylines for one game over and over. Sandwiched in between are 34 other bowl games, about 30 of which will feature directional universities v. glorified community colleges or unwatchable mismatches.
 
2012-11-27 09:25:37 AM

You Are All Sheep: greenbowlpacker: Alabama is (1-5) against Notre Dame, Bear Bryant was (0-4) against Notre Dame


All games
1987/11/14 Alabama 6 - Notre Dame 37 L
1986/10/04 Alabama 28 - Notre Dame 10 W
1980/11/15 Alabama 0 - Notre Dame 7 L
1976/11/13 Alabama 18 - Notre Dame 21 L
1975/01/01 Alabama 11 - Notre Dame 13 L !! Orange Bowl !!
1973/12/31 Alabama 23 - Notre Dame 24 L !! Sugar Bowl !!

This alabama team is not even close to those alabama teams. This alabama team is basically an NFL team. I think ND gets absolutely drilled. They don't have the offense to remain even close in that game.


If this basically makes Alabama a pro team, what does that make Texas A&M???

/Bwahahaha...The delusion is strong with this one....
 
2012-11-27 09:25:41 AM

greenbowlpacker: Kurmudgeon: Notre Dame barely beat unranked Pitt in 3 overtimes and slipped by Stanford in OT as well.
If this eater of cupcakes becomes national champion, it'll cement for eternity the lameness of the current BCS system.

Notre Dame won all of their games, nobody else did. They also played a legit team every week, no SEC team did. Every SEC team essentially gets 4 byes a year.


Wrong on two fronts: OSU is 12-0. Though they are ineligible for bowl contention, they did go undefeated. And no, ND did NOT play a "legit team" every week. While I can appreciate (barely) your rampant homerism, at least try to be intellectually honest when making your arguments.
 
2012-11-27 09:26:00 AM
Luck of the Irish this season. Got lucky that Devin Gardner was dropping passes instead of throwing them. Got lucky Pitt couldn't kick a feld goal. And they'll get lucky once again when Jerry Jones offers Saban a $15m per year contract right before the championship game, killing Bama morale and concentration.

I hate ND, but they're legit. Kelley is a great coach, on his fourth successful program. They played a tough schedule and won them all, even if they were ugly wins. They're pussies for dropping the Michigan rivalry though.
 
2012-11-27 09:47:32 AM

Dimming: greenbowlpacker: Kurmudgeon: Notre Dame barely beat unranked Pitt in 3 overtimes and slipped by Stanford in OT as well.
If this eater of cupcakes becomes national champion, it'll cement for eternity the lameness of the current BCS system.

Notre Dame won all of their games, nobody else did. They also played a legit team every week, no SEC team did. Every SEC team essentially gets 4 byes a year.

Wrong on two fronts: OSU is 12-0. Though they are ineligible for bowl contention, they did go undefeated. And no, ND did NOT play a "legit team" every week. While I can appreciate (barely) your rampant homerism, at least try to be intellectually honest when making your arguments.


He has a point though, the bottom half of ND's schedule looks a LOT more rough than either Alabama or Georgia. Its not like they didnt schedule tough games for the top either. Fine, Navy, Boston college, a down Purdue team, After that there isnt much fluff. There is no Florida Atlantic or Georgia Southern on this schedule.

Any SEC team saying that Notre Dame got to be undefeated because of an easier schedule is kidding themselves.
 
2012-11-27 09:54:17 AM

Krowdaddy Chixdiggit: [i1247.photobucket.com image 250x229]

I will just leave this here.....


Well I guess you are much more successful than Nick Saban. He is a loser you know.
 
2012-11-27 10:00:38 AM

I sound fat: Dimming: greenbowlpacker: Kurmudgeon: Notre Dame barely beat unranked Pitt in 3 overtimes and slipped by Stanford in OT as well.
If this eater of cupcakes becomes national champion, it'll cement for eternity the lameness of the current BCS system.

Notre Dame won all of their games, nobody else did. They also played a legit team every week, no SEC team did. Every SEC team essentially gets 4 byes a year.

Wrong on two fronts: OSU is 12-0. Though they are ineligible for bowl contention, they did go undefeated. And no, ND did NOT play a "legit team" every week. While I can appreciate (barely) your rampant homerism, at least try to be intellectually honest when making your arguments.

He has a point though, the bottom half of ND's schedule looks a LOT more rough than either Alabama or Georgia. Its not like they didnt schedule tough games for the top either. Fine, Navy, Boston college, a down Purdue team, After that there isnt much fluff. There is no Florida Atlantic or Georgia Southern on this schedule.

Any SEC team saying that Notre Dame got to be undefeated because of an easier schedule is kidding themselves.


Sat, Sept 1
vs
Navy*
W50-10
1-0
Sat, Sept 8
vs
Purdue
W20-17
2-0
Sat, Sept 15
@
#10 Michigan St
W20-3
3-0
Sat, Sept 22
vs
#18 Michigan
W13-6
4-0
Sat, Oct 6
vs
Miami (FL)
W41-3
5-0
Sat, Oct 13
vs
#17 Stanford
W20-13 OT
6-0
Sat, Oct 20
vs
BYU
W17-14
7-0
Sat, Oct 27
@
#8 Oklahoma
W30-13
8-0
Sat, Nov 3
vs
Pittsburgh
W29-26 3OT
9-0
Sat, Nov 10
@
Boston College
W21-6
10-0
Sat, Nov 17
vs
Wake Forest
W38-0
11-0
Sat, Nov 24
@
USC
W22-13
12-0

Really? They would have lost at least 2 games if they were SEC. The week in, week out punishment of the SEC is way beyond the creampuff schedule of Notre Dame.
 
2012-11-27 10:05:36 AM

Ivandrago: Yes, Michigan (29), Southern Cal (24), and Notre Dame (17) are very good schools, but the only real advantage they have over the large state universities is national recognition, and I'd argue that only really holds true for Notre Dame. Does it pay for someone from Alabama to travel to Ohio or South Bend for school and incur the extra cost? Usually not because that degree from a "better" university isn't going to translate into a significantly higher earning potential.


It translates into a LOT higher earning potential, but the flip side is that you generally don't endure top-school academic expectations for the hope of a better paycheck. The motivation is insufficient for the punishment. You go to the Bible Belt to look for football players and cheap labor. And don't tell me about Huntsville. I've been there on engineering business. That's "big fish in small pond" territory; there are a few legit operations but everyone there looks like a genius because not too far beyond the city limits it's banjos and barns. To someone who's been around, it's just another engineering town. The bleeding edge of tech is still dominated by blue state institutions, and the best pay top dollar for the best. If it's not worth the trip, it's probably because the students can't survive the expectations. One amusing observation from attending Michigan is how easily my peers transitioned to employment. Not only were they actively recruited fresh out of college, by the time they graduated they were already used to long hours. The siblings that attended less prestigious schools were downright traumatized by 40-hour work weeks, let alone overtime.

Alabama takes pride in their athletics first; academics can't be so far down the list of priorities and then you suddenly get to claim they're worthy of standing side-by-side with the best schools in the country. Michigan and Notre Dame have high (more like overblown) expectations but once everyone gets over the Saturday night hangover (especially after that serious beatdown by, well, Alabama) it's back to doing homework. They're schools first. Michigan and Notre Dame have struggled to recruit because they'll turn down 5-star talent if they can't meet the strict academic expectations, and as a result (and it's no secret) neither have been particularly relevant in the national title picture compared to the SEC. U-M isn't a "better" university than Alabama; it's a flat-out better university, and it's got jack shiat to do with national recognition. You have that completely backwards. They're nationally recognized because compared to SEC schools, they're really something else. It's where you turn down invitations to go to Friday night parties to get CE projects done on time and studying all night isn't something you do just before finals -- it's something you do every week.
 
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